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ben_vulpes: perhaps this is academic though
ben_vulpes: the cleartext of multiple versions of the same contract can be compared to each other
ben_vulpes: that will *both* check the signature *and* show you the signed blob.
ben_vulpes: (you being punkbot or anyone verifying contracts)
ben_vulpes: if each party runs gpg --output out.sig --sign --armor thing-to-sign.txt, you can run gpg --decrypt out.sig on the blob
ben_vulpes: so here's what mod6 and i figured out
ben_vulpes: arbeit machtzzzzzzz
ben_vulpes as well
ben_vulpes: implementing the mailing list hack you suggested throws a digest error.
ben_vulpes: er, an hour each.
ben_vulpes: mod6 and i have burnt approximately an hour total trying to pretzel gpg into the correct contortions, and it's not working for us.
ben_vulpes: punkman: would it be terribly onerous to get deedbot to certify that multiple documents signed by different people are in fact the same document and that all of the signatures verify?
ben_vulpes: wallet
ben_vulpes: plus, wrangling multiparty gpg sigs.
ben_vulpes: i shant, no.
ben_vulpes: and interrupt this roll you're on?
ben_vulpes: build environment is a snowflake.
ben_vulpes: i've never successfully built it.
ben_vulpes: and all i have is borrowed borrowed borrowed leased and micro-sharded hardware on which to put it
ben_vulpes: all i want is to surface these text files to the internet :(
ben_vulpes gives up
ben_vulpes: black magic cross-dc replication
ben_vulpes: http semantics for up/downloading
ben_vulpes: the amazon key-value store jurov backed therealbitcoin.org with
ben_vulpes: shit is cached somewhere infuriating.
ben_vulpes: and...see nothing.
ben_vulpes: i did the s3 thing
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sapper must know his limits.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: couldn't hurt to check...
ben_vulpes: a grand idea
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the patches just now published, specifically.
ben_vulpes: it's late and i'm banging my head against the opaque mess that is the amazon key-value store.
ben_vulpes: gentlemen, please check patches i've published as well
ben_vulpes: hey it's a little warty but here's what's cookin: http://therealbitcoin.org/
ben_vulpes: (theoretically, ofc).
ben_vulpes: look at that! regtest mode implemented in configuration. no chainparams.cpp necessary.
ben_vulpes: that's what i suspected.
ben_vulpes suspects checkpoints are the dumb thing here
ben_vulpes: but this could be retarded - i don't actually know.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm more inclined to hack the checkpoints out.
ben_vulpes: (also i'm assuming that you're not trolling me and saying "yes they'll mine in the sense of hashing loltworotlzlzlzl")
ben_vulpes: wacky*
ben_vulpes: can/will
ben_vulpes: if i spin up two bitcoinds and use cli arg '-connect' to point them at each other, can they mine?
ben_vulpes: here's a wack notion
ben_vulpes: "Although I agree that it's totally insecure, no matter how you sugar coat it--I really don't think it's a feature that should be removed."
ben_vulpes: " I'd like my secret key on multiple machines, and I don't know how to move it around easily."
ben_vulpes: ;;ident petahash
ben_vulpes: what are you looking to learn?
ben_vulpes: ya keep going please.
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 1000000 / [ticker --last]
ben_vulpes: what's your question, elementofone?
ben_vulpes: !up elementofone
ben_vulpes: !down elementofone
ben_vulpes: the throttling!
ben_vulpes: apropos only of rockets
ben_vulpes: just reject crlf
ben_vulpes: yes sure that would be useful indeed.
ben_vulpes: not a chair problem tho
ben_vulpes: ho ho ho
ben_vulpes: jurov: sorry, don't understand the question
ben_vulpes runs macos - admitted turd, but not windows
ben_vulpes: what precisely had \r\n?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: scissors? no. time today? perhaps.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sapper trains with...
ben_vulpes: reference impl is correct language
ben_vulpes: reference client was a total fat-finger on my part
ben_vulpes: just append each signature
ben_vulpes: was going to say.
ben_vulpes: right yeah
ben_vulpes: how do you get pgp to spit such out?
ben_vulpes: gets ugly.
ben_vulpes: some derpy shit i've seen: recursive signing of documents. one party signs doc, another party signs clearsigned doc.
ben_vulpes: but that's not what you've got implemented.
ben_vulpes: what i'd prefer is a text blob and detached signatures.
ben_vulpes: it's left to users.
ben_vulpes: hey punkman how should deedbot be fed multiply-signed documents?
ben_vulpes: electrum?
ben_vulpes: what are you using again?
ben_vulpes: .balance
ben_vulpes: .status
ben_vulpes: time will ebb and flow.
ben_vulpes: bluematt appears to have revoked his wot ket.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i do believe that someone in the wot must read patches, yes.
ben_vulpes: yes, encrypted because clearsigned as well.
ben_vulpes: and clearsigned too
ben_vulpes: ah so this list is for comms as well.
ben_vulpes: well if sig fails l2 check...
ben_vulpes: jurov: why bother checking body? instead maybe just check .patch.sig for l2 sig, and compare that to the file.
ben_vulpes joins #bitcoin-dev
ben_vulpes: "PLEASE EMAIL ME IN CLEARTEXT KTHXBAI"
ben_vulpes gives up
ben_vulpes: $ gpg -k Corallo
ben_vulpes: pub 4096R/43E08E54 2011-03-06 [revoked: 2014-07-12]
ben_vulpes: nm fooled by github
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/DiabloMiner << diablod3 wrote a miner in common lisp?
ben_vulpes: although i have a hard time imaginging which customers of a bezzletron service would touch btc. buying a loss for the taxbooks doesn't make much sense with the blackcash.
ben_vulpes: i doubt anyone cares for further derpage on the topic from me.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai just trolling. although concurrency...python...2015...
ben_vulpes: i'd be thrilled to see what scripts etc he wrote and how he went about the en-test-harness-ifying of the thing
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if bluematt (who was he?) doesn't appear - one of us must do the deed ? << i have jenkins running with the blob locally, i'd just rather stand on bluematt's shoulders
ben_vulpes: AT ALL OF HIS EMAILS
ben_vulpes: i'll mail matt tomorrow
ben_vulpes: well, logged up
ben_vulpes: decimation: have not yet tested, do not think that is the case.
ben_vulpes: obviously the answer is a class with state safely segregated within it
ben_vulpes: just - find all the places in which there's a testnet mention and try to figure out how to implement an off-network chain
ben_vulpes: the thing isn't actually all that impossible to reason about
ben_vulpes: if you dig into chainparams and main.cpp (iirc) you'll find such joys as the "stop generating a chain after 1 block is found so that...reasons"
ben_vulpes: "regression testing"
ben_vulpes: chain generation off network.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu would have that by the act of complaining i bring down more cpp upon my own back
ben_vulpes: it's not *so* bad, clearly.
ben_vulpes: and, by proxy, chainparams.
ben_vulpes: now not only must i study testnet but also this regtest thing
ben_vulpes: my rage is indescribeable
ben_vulpes: it's glued in with the glass of the chainparams class
ben_vulpes: i'm studying the regtest phenomena of 0.8.whatever
ben_vulpes: and i've no idea if it's the most recent - there's no patch tracking tooling in place
ben_vulpes: decimation: calling that a patch is charitable - more an excision
ben_vulpes: ;;seen bluematt
ben_vulpes: ;;gpginfo bluematt
ben_vulpes: well put that way
ben_vulpes: did anyone get in touch with bluematt?
ben_vulpes: anyways
ben_vulpes: i liked belgrano, seemed modest.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> recoleta* << and where for the fleeing usian pauper?
ben_vulpes: if its so damn valuable
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> yes, still for sale << fucking rob him already
ben_vulpes: <Adlai> the GIL is good << aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
ben_vulpes: CvLOS
ben_vulpes: cvomposite - is that a cvasi composite?!
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> major bender or something. << unlike our regular minor benders
ben_vulpes: i kid, i kid.
ben_vulpes: interpreting beats compiling again
ben_vulpes: search is a day slow
ben_vulpes: lol 2 lines down
ben_vulpes: meta object?
ben_vulpes: there's a non retarded object system?
ben_vulpes: > not sure if trolled
ben_vulpes: > common lisp
ben_vulpes: > non retarded object system
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform knows of only one non-retarded object system, CLOS
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> undata: it's unfortunate python gets a bad wrap though, Djanga seems more stable than say node.js << RECANT
ben_vulpes: <undata> dumb; at least they knew to stay away from Django << so much to this
ben_vulpes: tbf i forget the nuances
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> (summary. aliens come, they have males, females, and ooloi. the latter run things and are really the only sentients. humans quickly discover that fucking in 3some with ooloi 'adapter' is the only really fun thing.) << gripping hand?
ben_vulpes: <Abelincoln> << that this is not <Abelincoin> should have been enough to prevent !ups
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> in my studies, i'm particularly interested in the 'suck' that no one even notices any more. << so relevant
ben_vulpes: wait no actually mircea_popescu u
ben_vulpes: me, i mean
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lol off by 10x
ben_vulpes: had loads of fun discovering the parts of the unix stack responsible for baud rate etc
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> it's as if we were still using teletype << funny story, biz partner bought hisself some gps chips
ben_vulpes: HERE WE GO
ben_vulpes: lines ago
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 9234 - 8414
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i dropped out
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski lol negatron brogrammer
ben_vulpes: what have you been doing
ben_vulpes: good god this log
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ricoletta << haw
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: also opera lol
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: chrome
ben_vulpes: well you fill in that ellipses yourself.
ben_vulpes: but as i said, clobbering the back-button when reading hyperlinked documents is...
ben_vulpes: PeterL: yeah sure, custom stylesheet for contravex.com clobbering target="_blank"
ben_vulpes: cazalla: only if you're depending on DO for your noise.
ben_vulpes: also pete_dushenski your content div scrolls sideways
ben_vulpes: vile fucking practice, destroying the browse history.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: dude you gotta stop your blog from opening up links in new tabs
ben_vulpes: didja comment on their blorg?
ben_vulpes: ah cazalla yeah yeah
ben_vulpes: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rewritingreddit << /me is amused at the "lisp/django" comparison
ben_vulpes: cazalla: what did you actually ask them? i eventually realized that the 32mb line is the nominal largest size of a p2p message.
ben_vulpes: 33MB lines when
ben_vulpes: quickly generate more logs for thickasthieves
ben_vulpes: wasn't PeterL going to set up a new blogs.ba
ben_vulpes: neat! a dose of legitimacy.
ben_vulpes: not a bad notion at all
ben_vulpes: but fiatcorp calls at precisely this moment, and i must leave ye all for the meantime.
ben_vulpes: so i've cobbled together a testing stack that builds and boots this build as I mentioned last night. next things that i'd like to do with it is attach it to testnet; and stand up a server non-locally to run these builds.
ben_vulpes: testing bitcoin builds.
ben_vulpes: that latter's a tough one.
ben_vulpes: now im mulling what to publish
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i have one of those on me local machine
ben_vulpes: and i didn't see any good suggestions re "what is the output of a 'merge'?"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is the mailing list up?
ben_vulpes: <jurov> ben_vulpes: what about bitcoin-enema.org ? f9beb4d9.org
ben_vulpes: truly a hanky story, but it's a step towards integration tests and what has one
ben_vulpes: so i've got a jenkins building this crazy stripped down build
ben_vulpes: a doctorow link in -assets?
ben_vulpes: markov chain
ben_vulpes: eligus is < 5%
ben_vulpes: "death of the preivous hard fork" meaning the actions that brought everyone onto the same chain?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: so the pool operators really decide if the hard fork goes off, correct?
ben_vulpes: aight well fiat corp requires oiling before shuddering into motion in the morn. i'll continue this with anyone interested at a later point.
ben_vulpes mutters darkly
ben_vulpes: these crickets suggest that the chairs must make this decision.
ben_vulpes: fresh set of signed blobs in *.org/releases?
ben_vulpes: new "commit" in public repo?
ben_vulpes: q: what is the output of a "merge" in this scenario?
ben_vulpes: or political in the sense of 'forum'
ben_vulpes: is the goal (eg political) to find some poor usian schmuck to take on hearn et al and risk full audit of all things, stopping and frisking by every passing police officer?
ben_vulpes: choice for the technical role perhaps would be a better phrasing
ben_vulpes: trust the l2?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: but how theoretically would i know what to merge?
ben_vulpes: i've been staring at it and it's not unintelligble -- horrible, but not unintelligible -- but given things like obfuscated c competition i don't think i'm actually a good technical choice for the role
ben_vulpes: so i begin to wonder if i'm at all a good person to handle merges, given my lack of experience with cpp
ben_vulpes: so merges should only happen when k l m n o have already signed patch
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu this is the thing you asked for in the first place: "sigs on lines"
ben_vulpes: and a record of patches signed by individuals
ben_vulpes: there's known state a
ben_vulpes: jurov's turdvendor's the canonical repository
ben_vulpes: lol no u
ben_vulpes: hang on a sec here
ben_vulpes: 32MB is not the steady-state line, it's just the largest sanctioned p2p msg
ben_vulpes: simple is beautiful
ben_vulpes: no stack to manage in that case; i'd prefer it if there are no obvious reasons to not.
ben_vulpes: forgive my derpitude but why not simply sign the patch and collect sigs?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: re sig stack is the implication that a signs patch, b signs patch and a.sig, c patch and b.sig...
ben_vulpes: where are the script kiddies draining the faucet...
ben_vulpes: i was just wondering about that!
ben_vulpes: should anyone *want* to endeedify their patch, they're welcome to.
ben_vulpes: no sense tangling things
ben_vulpes: punkman: a draft did, yeah. look for mod6's dpaste
ben_vulpes: pool administrators determine block size, correct?
ben_vulpes: i've a question about mining, for anyone who knows.
ben_vulpes: never imagined such.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you weren't kidding about "glue and glass"
ben_vulpes: ick ick ick ick ick
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