mircea_popescu: it will make brown polyester almonds if that's what gets it the sweet sweet qe paper.
ben_vulpes: under the bus?
pete_dushenski: if cadbury is willing to throw their biggest market under the bus, smaller markets like canada aren't far behind.
pete_dushenski: this is exactly mr. fortunederp's "we never said it was the original source"
assbot: The shoe-shine kid’s great-grandson. And creme eggs. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1C27AdS )
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 18:26:15; nubbins`: asciilifeform is actually ready to believe that chocolate is delicious more or less everywhere outside of the anglo reich <<< canadian Cadbury chocolate contains british milk
pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088486 << cadbury's is using less 'food' than ever, related: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/29/the-shoe-shine-kids-great-grandson-and-creme-eggs/
pete_dushenski: the tim hortons franchise has 'kleenexed' this pastry
mircea_popescu: then a passing ant can salute his grave
mircea_popescu: he'll finally have time to find the penultimate bug in bitcoin-donut-core
nubbins`: love in the time of bitcoin
nubbins`: reading the logs is like reading cien anos de soledad
nubbins`: just so i can keep track of what the convo is about
mircea_popescu: "a bitcoind (pseudo-static, portatronic, orphanage-burner patch with max-bastard constant value of 5 running on pogo, heathen linux.)" << i lelled.
mircea_popescu: the difference is exactly arbitrary.
Adlai: well at least it's in the logs now, maybe a sportsman lurker will pick this up
mircea_popescu: Adlai myeah. was either a year or two. why, what did you have in mind ?
nubbins`: and NONE of the dry sausage mfg's are brave enough to state this
Adlai: impossible to create bitbets with a resolution further than one year!?
pete_dushenski: even if just for the benefit of log readers
nubbins`: finishing off the last of this amazing dry calabrese
mircea_popescu: memory hole effect. somehow while we clearly see how stupid Xi is, it doesn't end up taring the whole of X equally.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski im just saving it to be really smug at mike_c later on, because he was really mindboggled by the entire "usms fraud" thread a while back.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol @ vessenes. another cv bullet point eh
nubbins`: ^ there's yr instructions
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 18:59:06; ben_vulpes: i'm looking for the 'how to gentoo without systemd for noobs' link
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088535 << this should srsly be in the b-a wiki.
mircea_popescu: " As you may recall, there was public outcry during the fall of Mt. Gox as to why the Bitcoin Foundation never once warned Bitcoin investors about keeping deposits in Mt. Gox, despite clear red flags dating back to at least April 2013"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` /usr/lib/libz.1.dylib << wtf is zlib doing in there ?!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088495 << that's prolly the only supermaket chocolate brand that's edible.
mircea_popescu: i think stylistically the 20s looked just as broken in 1935.
mircea_popescu: the 90s. so fucken broken in retrospective.
trinque: and also --without-python to the bjam step
trinque: chop one, compile, chop another, compile...
nubbins`: it's on the list
ben_vulpes: ya me either
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: how would one go about determining what parts of boost weren't needed and then compiling boost without those bits?
pete_dushenski: to take another proverb from 'icarus' short
mircea_popescu: hence <nubbins`> "If you are making a web video, or a documentary, or a podcast and you're picking music to go with it, do me a favor and think to yourself "could this music be used in a bank commercial? Or a Target ad?" And if the answer is "yes" please pick something else."
mircea_popescu: "cut your jacket by the cloth you have available"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski amusingly, the "pes sic tendatur ne lodix protereatur" one doesn't seem to be known in english
cazalla: i think the guys blog details what a nightmare its been for his family
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 05:40:11; mircea_popescu: "The www.burtw.com web site is real. It was put up by my wife (JeanW on here now). To answer some questions posted above: I traded on localbitcoins.com. The prosecutor in the case claims I needed a business money transmittal license to do that. Instead of just notifying me that they though I might need a license they have charged me with a felony which could mean up to 5 years in prison and a $2
mircea_popescu: you know who he is, the law abiding middle class type that got raped by usg because hey, socialism has no middle class.
mircea_popescu: i for one am kinda curious to hear what it's like to be one of the usg cattle that actually got the knife.
pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087358 << check out all the sweet latin proverbs!
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 14:11:25; punkman: http://www.olivierjanssens.com/ hey at least there's gpg right there on the frontpage.
mircea_popescu: it really takes some expert minds to get numeric computing to this point where numbers are a problem in themselves.
nubbins`: getting hundreds of these
mircea_popescu: because i can not understand what it does on the basis of what it is.
ben_vulpes: because it does not come complete with everything required for it to run, and depends on state of local machine doing the compiling?
mircea_popescu: and that the code is available.
mircea_popescu: and yes that means dns is not implemented. which it isn't, whether this kludge is available or not.
ben_vulpes: what are the criteria for 'packagehood'?
mircea_popescu: because it does not meet the criteria for what a package is.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "linked at all" << (bear with my unsavvy, please) so gcc instructed to build statically should fail to link libnss because it dynamically links to system libs, but gcc instructed to build dynamicall should not fail under these conditions?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` he has the right idea, too much lazy thinking around.
mircea_popescu: then rms has to catch hell about "not supporting lldb". how about you know, taking libnss the fuck out with a hot poker.
mircea_popescu: the bug discovered in gcc is that it allows libnss to even be linked AT ALL.
ben_vulpes: and the bug discovered in gcc is that it *warns* about this but does not die when run with static compile flags?
ben_vulpes: so the 'static' build i produced on my deb 6 VM wasn't *truly* static, but claimed to be even though it dynamically linked into libnss on whatever system on which it ran successfully?
nubbins`: "If you are making a web video, or a documentary, or a podcast and you're picking music to go with it, do me a favor and think to yourself "could this music be used in a bank commercial? Or a Target ad?" And if the answer is "yes" please pick something else."
asciilifeform: [BTC-dev] Process mem. stats from heathen pogo running ineffectual orphanage burner (max==5)
trinque: though of course look over the config yourself and see if it's sane
trinque: yeah so probably defaults to start, then use flags.. all you're gonna need to worry about
trinque: until you have the use flags and keywords you want
trinque: ben_vulpes: there's no real concept of a "release" aside from the version of the base layout
ben_vulpes sacrifices today on the altar of lizard hitler
trinque: ben_vulpes: probably best to just do whatever's in that first, then blowtorch crud after you have a working system
trinque: I haven't been through the handbook in a while
nubbins`: ah, i just followed the handbook
trinque: you will in the default profile end up with systemd's udev though
trinque: you'd have to choose a systemd profile which is not the default
nubbins`: "The remainder of the Gentoo Handbook focuses on OpenRC as the default init support system. If systemd is wanted instead, or are planning to use Gnome 3.8 and later (which requires systemd), please consult the systemd page as it elaborates on the different configuration settings and methods."
nubbins`: pick your arch at the top and go ahead
nubbins`: let me find the guide i followed
ben_vulpes: i'm looking for the 'how to gentoo without systemd for noobs' link
nubbins`: so the poor vm has half of a core 2 duo and 4gb ram
nubbins`: and various other things like uboot, w/e
nubbins`: hence the 3.5h compiles
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 17:40:43; gabriel_laddel: - http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ (imho this needs wait until #b-a disto)
nubbins`: here's the shared libs that 0.5.3.1 on darwin hauls in:
nubbins`: maybe there's hope after all
assbot: While Britain scrambles its Cadbury egg recipe, Canada's keeping it classic - The Globe and Mail ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxZltP )
nubbins`: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/canadas-keeping-classic-cadbury-eggs-as-britons-fret-changes-to-recipe/article22548202/
trinque: whaack: yeah, follow the register instructions here http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot?s[]=assbot
asciilifeform: kraft would like the whole planet to join its 'feast of engineering' (TM)
nubbins`: could this be the end of Jersey Milk bars?!
nubbins`: asciilifeform is actually ready to believe that chocolate is delicious more or less everywhere outside of the anglo reich <<< canadian Cadbury chocolate contains british milk
gabriel_laddel: <mircea_popescu> gabriel_laddel he's very tender on the topic for some reason. << the lady doth protest too much, methinks
asciilifeform: to the extent 'modern' walletrons are descended from what i'm seeing here...
asciilifeform is actually ready to believe that chocolate is delicious more or less everywhere outside of the anglo reich
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but we're not using the wallet code in 0.5.3
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel anyway, i'll bet you i'll have him publicly recant his soviet chocolate cant. the chocolate here... o mai gawd.
asciilifeform: and is anyone else suffering some indigestion at least from the 12 or so detectable instances of jumps-depending-on-uninitialized-values in -the wallet handling code- ?
mircea_popescu: "just one of those things". like rain, or the usg.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they managed to create the perfect fucking beast yo. a nsa package that ruins free and open software, nobody knows about and apparently nobody maintains or ever maintained.
mircea_popescu: just as much an ethnotype as the turkic heavy ass set.
mircea_popescu: men not speaking of children has resulted in the current disaster.
asciilifeform: 'who will speak of what, but the dog - of fleas', yes
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel he's very tender on the topic for some reason.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, about 2-500
asciilifeform: theoretical still needs to house library.
mircea_popescu: damned engineers and their insatiable hunger for rube goldberg items
asciilifeform: (example: what is the cost of inhabiting a free-standing building with mains current, temperature control, and good fiber net? free-standing at least to the extent that you can't hear screaming children, smell neighbours' shit, etc)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform become a *theoretical* physicist alf. pens & paper are cheap everywhere :D
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: almost invariably i find that something important is -not- cheap in such places where the food is cheap... but more power to you if you discover exception
mircea_popescu: eh, let the man have his fil of teh us, he's young.
gabriel_laddel: My point is that food and rent are cheap if you go to the correct place. Also, if you're betting on btc taking over the world, bet on it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you can't find cunt in argentina the problem is deeper than the sea.
gabriel_laddel: whaack: see the above logs
mircea_popescu: you'd have to be insane to do that. you can buy pre-made "milanesas", cook them yourself, runs you a dollar a day or some shit.
asciilifeform: not in the customary 'keep showing up, you keep eating, hell or high water' terms
mircea_popescu: not in the same terms, at least.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i can't speak for the fella, but i suspect that he is looking for a btc substitute for his day job. which is not likely to exist.
assbot: Probably the hottest business idea of the moment in BTC... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CEKFIa )
gabriel_laddel: - http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ (imho this needs wait until #b-a disto)
assbot: So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CEKD30 )
gabriel_laddel: whaack: there are a few obvious ways to make btc atm
asciilifeform: the one saving grace is that i'm fairly certain we can shed libnss entirely from this project
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's outrageous, but hey. can you evaluate the time needeed to patch libnss into behaving correctly ?
asciilifeform: if they use cpp at all, it is as a cautious 'c with classes'
asciilifeform: folks who grow up outside of the winshitsphere tend to not do that.
asciilifeform: i actually knew as much when first learned that bitcoin was heavy on the cppisms.
asciilifeform: yeah - them.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 03:27:21; asciilifeform: when you scratch the surface, you always find some imbecile who develops on winblows, and then asks 'whatchalookingat'
mircea_popescu: i cant find the link in recent log
mircea_popescu: because, asciilifeform, the unpleasant fact of the matter is, satoshi was one of those.
asciilifeform: punkman: my preliminary experiments point to the db.
asciilifeform: punkman: again in the wallet mechanism only.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the whole thing reeks of ms
asciilifeform: whaack: nyc is in the broad class of chumpatrons where the workers let virtually their entire post-tax pay go to the real-estate hucksters
whaack: and I'm actually planning on spending the summer in SF to check it out, I'm still in school taking a year off of MIT
whaack: asciilifeform: I'm actually in NYC, my job is just under the category of a "valley" job
mircea_popescu: maybe he likes the heat.
asciilifeform: whaack: at least get out of the deepest circle of hell. nowhere is it written that a programmer must live in sf valley.
mircea_popescu: many people in the history of the world did a job that stank. eventually either the stench kills you or you make enough to no longer need it.
asciilifeform: whaack: let me know if you learn the answer to this one. it eludes me.
mircea_popescu: a number of people here are doing the same.
whaack: ty, I've reached a point in my life where I can't stand working for VC money anymore. But I have an issue where I don't know of a better way to get bitcoins faster than milk a SF dev valley job and buy them with fiat. I've come for guidance on the issue
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got the letter, yes.
mircea_popescu: you're the first to publicly declare this ancient secret.
asciilifeform: i can say with some confidence that there are leaks which -do not pertain to the bastardnodes mechanism- !
mircea_popescu: so no, you're not the only to have run it in anger.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, chetty, et al: in yet another - arguably inverted! - manifestation of The Problem, it appears that valgrind's dynamic substitution for memory allocator -does not cover all of bitcoind!-
chetty: I got as far as having it claim it built a static, but then it really wasn't and wouldn't run without the libs
asciilifeform: chetty: so it was not only opengl that was the barrier to static link ?
mircea_popescu: first we make the thing gpg.
chetty: well after nextrelease I will go take the crowbar to it again ---
chetty: well it has the gnarly shim of opengl and still wont
mircea_popescu: "hey, if your program uses video, or the internet, you can't make it!"
asciilifeform: chetty: i will be -very- surprised if a static build of a proggy involving a 3d board is possible on linux or other extant os
asciilifeform: but yes, compiler is infrastructure. and the bridges - are falling, falling down.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the traditional 'magisteria' are kernel-land and user-land
mircea_popescu: it's c "core" in the sense that lo and behold, ruins linkability.
asciilifeform: at any rate rms distanced himself from the userland 'big picture' long ago, when 'hurd' was still a going concern
asciilifeform: i buy a loaf and therein are turds.
mircea_popescu: the alternative (where he does things to your home) is eerily socialist.
asciilifeform: these mice tunnel through time and space.
asciilifeform: this is the difference.
asciilifeform: well sure. so his aesthetics have a place for mice in his home.
mircea_popescu: it can never be the proper purview of ethics.
mircea_popescu: this is an aesthetic consideration.
asciilifeform: to smite the vermin ?
mircea_popescu: happens to be the correct stance. why would he give a damn ?
asciilifeform: linus either does not notice poettering (unlikely) or (more plausibly) does not give a damn
mircea_popescu: i don't see this actually describes either situation.
asciilifeform: it means that if a pile of shit stinks too loudly he has the option of turning his nose and pretending it isn't there - and takes it
asciilifeform: linus is close to getting there
asciilifeform: rm is apolitical in precisely the sense mircea_popescu is not
mircea_popescu: this is their charter. "our continued existence is a fortunate byproduct of the situation where nobody even knows what's in the boxes."
asciilifeform: he had the option of 'becoming apolitical' (yes, sounds odd to use this phrase to describe rms, but it applies) - and he took it.
mircea_popescu: this is why the nsa even exists still.
mircea_popescu: and i don't believe the man is anything but 100% honest.
mircea_popescu: foss seriously has a problem by now. and it is of the nature of alf's "fits in head" thing.
asciilifeform: if considering removal, might as well carry on with the ada rewrite.
nubbins`: it's a framework beast, in other words
nubbins`: boost's? nope, it's on the list
nubbins`: boost is that big thing the weird brain guy from TMNT used to live in
nubbins`: now in fairness i think specifically boost wanted most of these
asciilifeform: <PeterL> the mailman, and he is going to stop delivering my mail if I don't meet his demands in the next two weeks << i was once excommunicated from the u.s. post for a few weeks. had tiny mailbox that would fill with spam over mere days when i left town. when full enough, long enough - excommunication
nubbins`: for reference, there's a handful of buildroot toolchain options i've had to enable to get the bitcoind build past certain points: c++ support, ipv6 support, large file support, possibly also wchar and rpc support
asciilifeform: beginning to suspect that valgrind isn't seeing the whole picture
nubbins`: now i'd been using the release auto.sh with the cross-compile modifications from your pogotron auto.sh
nubbins`: i'm still having some issues getting a sensible bitcoind built for the pogo w/ the buildroot toolchain
asciilifeform: that is not the reason.
nubbins`: any more than "set the seas aflame" is advice :D
Chillum: I don't get it either
nubbins`: Rolex is the Bose of watches
nubbins`: "TIL the Rolex watch company is run by not-for-profit charitable trusts. So after a certain amount of money goes to Rolex employees & the founding Rolex family, what remains is donated to charities. Some of these charities focus on watchmaking & some on HS education. Rolex founder was an orphan."
punkman: "I had an idealistic vision of the Foundation being a member-driven organization, but that never happened. Now would be a good time for you, the membership, to make me proud and come together and figure out a vision for the Foundation moving forward."
assbot: The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iy66vZ )
punkman: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation/#entry13752 lolgavin
punkman: "A special trust fund is being created and I will donate several 100k to pre-pay Gavin’s, Wladimirs and some other core devs wage for the next year" << who's this Olivier dude that's gonna pay for Gavin out of his pocket
punkman: "If they would have been transparent then everyone would know there is no money left." well we already knew that
punkman: "Jim Harper and myself immediately put forward a vote to have the board meeting recorded. We followed Robert’s rules of orders, and everyone else basically shut us down and failed to follow procedures."
assbot: The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1xN4xtH )
nubbins`: re: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation/ ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha mis lados.
mats queues up mp's "i killed the bitcoin phoundation"
mats: Oliver Janssen: "Core dev can no longer be funded by it, and Patrick Murck is trying to re-create a new Foundation just for core dev, because the current name is tarnished. Do not fall for this."
assbot: The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPbRsx )
mats: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation o_o
PeterL: anybody here follow basketball? My MSU Spartans made it to the final four again, should be a fun game tonight against Duke
Adlai: can you order the new postbox by post?
PeterL: yes, yes they are, he wants that box delivered
Adlai: PeterL: so you're saying the next two weeks are critical™?
PeterL: the mailman, and he is going to stop delivering my mail if I don't meet his demands in the next two weeks
mats: always a good idea to humor the postman
PeterL: the box used to be on the house itself, and I moved it to the porch rail so he wouldn't have to go up the steps, but apparently that isn't good enough, now I gotta go buy a post and dig a hole to stick it in
PeterL: said there was too much ice where it was, but there won't be any more ice for another 6 months at least now that everything melted
PeterL: so, my lastest run-in with USG agents: the mailman doesn't like where my mailbox is. It is currently on the rail of my porch, he says I must instal a box on a post in my yard
cazalla: heh this one ain't bad, has the chick from neighbours too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H33cPuwsY48
cazalla: all these abo cunts claiming they're abo when they're like 1/8 abo at best, doubt there are any full bloods left
cazalla: no no, from the butcher, bit dry tbh
cazalla: should've fkn got them out before he went to bed
fortune501: youll ruin the meat
cazalla: can't get to binos without risking waking up the kid
fortune501: dont fuck near the rabbits
cazalla: fortune501, see the lunar eclipse where you are atm?