ben_vulpes: 'cept mebbe long-lost right here as he ain't got a key to speak of.
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: well by that token we're all "real people"
ben_vulpes: dafuq is a real person.
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust Pierre_Rochard
ben_vulpes: ;;ident bitstein
ben_vulpes: ca va?
ben_vulpes: salud, bitstein
ben_vulpes: hey mircea_popescu you doing any of this? http://www.openhousebsas.org/
ben_vulpes: oh ho ho you funny man.
ben_vulpes: my position on trading's an open secret.
ben_vulpes: undata: it's the forum, you can speak, you don't need any permission from me.
ben_vulpes: adios los_pantalones
ben_vulpes: roast the poor squeezed longs in the forum as an example.
ben_vulpes: what is this, torture hour in -assets?
ben_vulpes: ttnews_: time heals all wounds.
ben_vulpes: they'll be right back.
ben_vulpes: assets is now on a hallutropic interlude ttnews_
ben_vulpes: for some reason i think asciilifeform would like the above linked video too
ben_vulpes: undata, mircea_popescu: more felix colgrave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUR09yRHZU
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ah, i see. well, i enjoy his animations but my taste may not align with anyone else's.
ben_vulpes: HAVE A USELESS BUG REPORT BRO
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: no idea.
ben_vulpes: not acquainted in person.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: seen his stuff before.
ben_vulpes: who knows
ben_vulpes: animations
ben_vulpes: felix colgrave would be a neat choice for btc comix
ben_vulpes: watch that video tho
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/dBbNKqj.png << chrome
ben_vulpes: terrifying.
ben_vulpes: ...
ben_vulpes: that's so entirely not the point
ben_vulpes: hush you all stop talking about donating
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/charter.html << in the absence of deedbot
ben_vulpes: lol and what is it now mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: lol drupal
ben_vulpes: that's a helluva bet
ben_vulpes: jurov: the unsigned email did not arrive, so i must presume your filter is doing *something*
ben_vulpes: my mail client doesn't seem to have a problem sending plaintext emails.
ben_vulpes: anyways
ben_vulpes: jurov: i don't get bounces for failed signatures.
ben_vulpes goes to test
ben_vulpes: so register, send messages until bounces stop
ben_vulpes: a bounce notification would be nice.
ben_vulpes: un*mutilated
ben_vulpes: those who wish to write messages to the mailing list must ensure that their messages arrive mutilated.
ben_vulpes: so what's wrong with a needle through which interested parties must pass their messages?
ben_vulpes: is a clearsigned body not adequate because risk of crlf's?
ben_vulpes: forgive my mis/poor-understanding of the gpgmail thing, but...
ben_vulpes: <jurov> http://explo.yt/post/2014/10/29/some-dangerous-idea << my braindump about turdatron << UPNP was me, jurov
ben_vulpes: how would they know...
ben_vulpes: ah upgrade rate
ben_vulpes: what is the net column?
ben_vulpes: punkman: we did and it blew up on digests.
ben_vulpes: i'd really like punkbot to take in the raw doc and .sig files. but...whatever.
ben_vulpes: or not validating the same doc...
ben_vulpes: this not being able to sign the same actual document thing is downright irksome.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ...conceptually possible << do clearsigned copies of the contract from both parties per S.WOL suffice?
ben_vulpes: lol now that i spell it out parties should deedify seperately.
ben_vulpes: and the parties should all deedify independently.
ben_vulpes: perhaps this is academic though
ben_vulpes: the cleartext of multiple versions of the same contract can be compared to each other
ben_vulpes: that will *both* check the signature *and* show you the signed blob.
ben_vulpes: (you being punkbot or anyone verifying contracts)
ben_vulpes: if each party runs gpg --output out.sig --sign --armor thing-to-sign.txt, you can run gpg --decrypt out.sig on the blob
ben_vulpes: so here's what mod6 and i figured out
ben_vulpes: lies
ben_vulpes: arbeit machtzzzzzzz
ben_vulpes as well
ben_vulpes: implementing the mailing list hack you suggested throws a digest error.
ben_vulpes: er, an hour each.
ben_vulpes: mod6 and i have burnt approximately an hour total trying to pretzel gpg into the correct contortions, and it's not working for us.
ben_vulpes: punkman: would it be terribly onerous to get deedbot to certify that multiple documents signed by different people are in fact the same document and that all of the signatures verify?
ben_vulpes: wallet
ben_vulpes: plus, wrangling multiparty gpg sigs.
ben_vulpes: i shant, no.
ben_vulpes: and interrupt this roll you're on?
ben_vulpes: build environment is a snowflake.
ben_vulpes: i've never successfully built it.
ben_vulpes: and all i have is borrowed borrowed borrowed leased and micro-sharded hardware on which to put it
ben_vulpes: all i want is to surface these text files to the internet :(
ben_vulpes gives up
ben_vulpes: black magic cross-dc replication
ben_vulpes: http semantics for up/downloading
ben_vulpes: the amazon key-value store jurov backed therealbitcoin.org with
ben_vulpes: shit is cached somewhere infuriating.
ben_vulpes: and...see nothing.
ben_vulpes: i did the s3 thing
ben_vulpes: well
ben_vulpes: uh
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sapper must know his limits.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: couldn't hurt to check...
ben_vulpes: a grand idea
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the patches just now published, specifically.
ben_vulpes: it's late and i'm banging my head against the opaque mess that is the amazon key-value store.
ben_vulpes: gentlemen, please check patches i've published as well
ben_vulpes: hey it's a little warty but here's what's cookin: http://therealbitcoin.org/
ben_vulpes: (theoretically, ofc).
ben_vulpes: look at that! regtest mode implemented in configuration. no chainparams.cpp necessary.
ben_vulpes: that's what i suspected.
ben_vulpes suspects checkpoints are the dumb thing here
ben_vulpes: but this could be retarded - i don't actually know.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm more inclined to hack the checkpoints out.
ben_vulpes: (also i'm assuming that you're not trolling me and saying "yes they'll mine in the sense of hashing loltworotlzlzlzl")
ben_vulpes: wacky*
ben_vulpes: can/will
ben_vulpes: if i spin up two bitcoinds and use cli arg '-connect' to point them at each other, can they mine?
ben_vulpes: here's a wack notion
ben_vulpes: "Although I agree that it's totally insecure, no matter how you sugar coat it--I really don't think it's a feature that should be removed."
ben_vulpes: " I'd like my secret key on multiple machines, and I don't know how to move it around easily."
ben_vulpes: from the shitgnome lulzotron: https://github.com/keybase/keybase-issues/issues/160
ben_vulpes: ;;ident petahash
ben_vulpes: what are you looking to learn?
ben_vulpes: ya keep going please.
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 1000000 / [ticker --last]
ben_vulpes: ...
ben_vulpes: what's your question, elementofone?
ben_vulpes: !up elementofone
ben_vulpes: !down elementofone
ben_vulpes: the throttling!
ben_vulpes: apropos only of rockets
ben_vulpes: just reject crlf
ben_vulpes: yes sure that would be useful indeed.
ben_vulpes: oh!
ben_vulpes: ?
ben_vulpes: not a chair problem tho
ben_vulpes: ho ho ho
ben_vulpes: jurov: sorry, don't understand the question
ben_vulpes runs macos - admitted turd, but not windows
ben_vulpes: what precisely had \r\n?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: scissors? no. time today? perhaps.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sapper trains with...
ben_vulpes: reference impl is correct language
ben_vulpes: reference client was a total fat-finger on my part
ben_vulpes: just append each signature
ben_vulpes: was going to say.
ben_vulpes: ...
ben_vulpes: right yeah
ben_vulpes: how do you get pgp to spit such out?
ben_vulpes: gets ugly.
ben_vulpes: some derpy shit i've seen: recursive signing of documents. one party signs doc, another party signs clearsigned doc.
ben_vulpes: but that's not what you've got implemented.
ben_vulpes: what i'd prefer is a text blob and detached signatures.
ben_vulpes: it's left to users.
ben_vulpes: hey punkman how should deedbot be fed multiply-signed documents?
ben_vulpes: electrum?
ben_vulpes: what are you using again?
ben_vulpes: ah
ben_vulpes: .balance
ben_vulpes: .status
ben_vulpes: time will ebb and flow.
ben_vulpes: key*
ben_vulpes: bluematt appears to have revoked his wot ket.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i do believe that someone in the wot must read patches, yes.
ben_vulpes: yes, encrypted because clearsigned as well.
ben_vulpes: and clearsigned too
ben_vulpes: ah so this list is for comms as well.
ben_vulpes: well if sig fails l2 check...
ben_vulpes: jurov: why bother checking body? instead maybe just check .patch.sig for l2 sig, and compare that to the file.
ben_vulpes joins #bitcoin-dev
ben_vulpes: i am 12 and what is this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/qa/rpc-tests/conflictedbalance.sh#L40
ben_vulpes: "PLEASE EMAIL ME IN CLEARTEXT KTHXBAI"
ben_vulpes gives up
ben_vulpes: pub 4096R/43E08E54 2011-03-06 [revoked: 2014-07-12]
ben_vulpes: $ gpg -k Corallo
ben_vulpes: nm fooled by github
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/DiabloMiner << diablod3 wrote a miner in common lisp?
ben_vulpes: although i have a hard time imaginging which customers of a bezzletron service would touch btc. buying a loss for the taxbooks doesn't make much sense with the blackcash.
ben_vulpes: http://www.coindesk.com/mergertech-accepts-bitcoin-startup-sales-services/ << locals 'getting in' on the game
ben_vulpes: i doubt anyone cares for further derpage on the topic from me.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai just trolling. although concurrency...python...2015...
ben_vulpes: i'd be thrilled to see what scripts etc he wrote and how he went about the en-test-harness-ifying of the thing
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if bluematt (who was he?) doesn't appear - one of us must do the deed ? << i have jenkins running with the blob locally, i'd just rather stand on bluematt's shoulders
ben_vulpes: AT ALL OF HIS EMAILS
ben_vulpes: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x0A82509767C7D4A5D14DA2301AE1D35043E08E54
ben_vulpes: i'll mail matt tomorrow
ben_vulpes: well, logged up
ben_vulpes: decimation: have not yet tested, do not think that is the case.
ben_vulpes: obviously the answer is a class with state safely segregated within it
ben_vulpes: just - find all the places in which there's a testnet mention and try to figure out how to implement an off-network chain
ben_vulpes: the thing isn't actually all that impossible to reason about
ben_vulpes: if you dig into chainparams and main.cpp (iirc) you'll find such joys as the "stop generating a chain after 1 block is found so that...reasons"
ben_vulpes: "regression testing"
ben_vulpes: chain generation off network.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu would have that by the act of complaining i bring down more cpp upon my own back
ben_vulpes: it's not *so* bad, clearly.
ben_vulpes: and, by proxy, chainparams.
ben_vulpes: now not only must i study testnet but also this regtest thing
ben_vulpes: my rage is indescribeable
ben_vulpes: it's glued in with the glass of the chainparams class
ben_vulpes: i'm studying the regtest phenomena of 0.8.whatever
ben_vulpes: and i've no idea if it's the most recent - there's no patch tracking tooling in place
ben_vulpes: decimation: calling that a patch is charitable - more an excision
ben_vulpes: ;;seen bluematt
ben_vulpes: ;;gpginfo bluematt
ben_vulpes: well put that way
ben_vulpes: did anyone get in touch with bluematt?
ben_vulpes: anyways
ben_vulpes: i liked belgrano, seemed modest.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> recoleta* << and where for the fleeing usian pauper?
ben_vulpes: if its so damn valuable
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> yes, still for sale << fucking rob him already
ben_vulpes: <Adlai> the GIL is good << aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
ben_vulpes: CvLOS
ben_vulpes: cvomposite - is that a cvasi composite?!
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> major bender or something. << unlike our regular minor benders
ben_vulpes: i kid, i kid.
ben_vulpes: interpreting beats compiling again
ben_vulpes: search is a day slow
ben_vulpes: lol 2 lines down
ben_vulpes: meta object?
ben_vulpes: there's a non retarded object system?
ben_vulpes: > not sure if trolled
ben_vulpes: > common lisp
ben_vulpes: > non retarded object system
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform knows of only one non-retarded object system, CLOS
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> undata: it's unfortunate python gets a bad wrap though, Djanga seems more stable than say node.js << RECANT
ben_vulpes: <undata> dumb; at least they knew to stay away from Django << so much to this
ben_vulpes: tbf i forget the nuances
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> (summary. aliens come, they have males, females, and ooloi. the latter run things and are really the only sentients. humans quickly discover that fucking in 3some with ooloi 'adapter' is the only really fun thing.) << gripping hand?
ben_vulpes: <Abelincoln> << that this is not <Abelincoin> should have been enough to prevent !ups
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> in my studies, i'm particularly interested in the 'suck' that no one even notices any more. << so relevant
ben_vulpes: wait no actually mircea_popescu u
ben_vulpes: me, i mean
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lol off by 10x
ben_vulpes: had loads of fun discovering the parts of the unix stack responsible for baud rate etc
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> it's as if we were still using teletype << funny story, biz partner bought hisself some gps chips
ben_vulpes: HERE WE GO
ben_vulpes: lines ago
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 9234 - 8414
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i dropped out
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski lol negatron brogrammer
ben_vulpes: what have you been doing
ben_vulpes: good god this log
ben_vulpes: http://www.antarctic-circle.org/Shackadvert2.jpg << sounds familiar
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ricoletta << haw
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: also opera lol
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: chrome
ben_vulpes: well you fill in that ellipses yourself.
ben_vulpes: but as i said, clobbering the back-button when reading hyperlinked documents is...
ben_vulpes: PeterL: yeah sure, custom stylesheet for contravex.com clobbering target="_blank"
ben_vulpes: cazalla: only if you're depending on DO for your noise.
ben_vulpes: also pete_dushenski your content div scrolls sideways
ben_vulpes: vile fucking practice, destroying the browse history.