BingoBoingo: Yes, the left coalition did indeed lose more than the opposition coalition won, but it means something differed than oldgendered fellow imagines
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/what-the-fuck-is-this-then/ << Trilema -- What the fuck is this, then ?!
BingoBoingo: The banana democracy thing applied to Uruguay seems to credit it, unwarrantedly with a banana capable climate it doesn't have. Uruguay's literally a moo-cow democracy.
mircea_popescu: nfi why they give them names anyway, i can usually recall on the basis of face-and-tits, but names ?!
mircea_popescu: it's a constant "um, roxana... who the fuck's roxana. oh." "monica ?" "ah" and so on.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, i'm going through archvies, knee deep in 15yo hanbot pics over here and such things.
BingoBoingo: If they locked Mujica up after shooting him half a dozen times in the 70's they probably aren't going to start now.
mircea_popescu: beats being hauled off to the execution squad, which'd be the usual course of business.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I suspect a number of members of the outgoing coalition are headed to jail in a smaller version of the Brasilero carwash thing, starting with the losing presidential candidate and including everyone appointed to a position at the refined petroluem products monopoly.
mircea_popescu: well yes it's a process, gotta build up all the "nobody could accuse" ofs.
BingoBoingo: This is notably a walkback from the Fat Forehead position of "We'll wait for the certified result"
BingoBoingo: Though the Fat Forehead candidate is starting to concede. Apparently for them conceding is a process...
BingoBoingo: And in the second, definitive count of ballots... things so far look a lot more like the decisive advantage the polls gave to Lacalle Pou http://archive.is/2gOYO
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-tmsr-os-implicit-clients/ << Trilema -- The TMSR-OS implicit clients
mircea_popescu: jfw, moreover, whoever makes the compiler probably has first choice.
jfw: ah, much of 'libiberty' is another thing that comes to mind there; has old and buggy implementations of things like regexp from before they were widely provided by vendors.
dorion_road: thanks for expanding there jfw.
jfw: there is ugly complexity in gcc to support this multitude of systems, such as 'fixincludes' and of course autoconf
jfw: The split existed historically in that they developed as separate projects; gcc works with multiple c libraries as musl works with multiple compilers. Perhaps mircea_popescu is inquiring into a deeper question of whether it's right to maintain the split (presently - I've no idea)
dorion_road: mircea_popescu is that a rational cut of the work in your view ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 15:33:20 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953705 - Could be. There's a decision that will be needed between glibc, dynamic musl, static musl, some mixture or framework with multiple options, or what. This is a part of the server vs. graphics split that bvt mentioned, or work vs. play if that's a fair characterization of
dorion_road: mircea_popescu gcc refers to c compiler, ave1 said he's working on a genesis based on version 4.9.4. By c library I mean the choice essentially between glibc and musl and dynamic and static linking, e.g. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953721
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 14:58:06 dorion_road: The other priority areas of ownership to clarify : c library, boot process (bios, bootloader, init), userland, install process, process supervision and logging and package management options beyond ebuilds.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953703 << what's the difference between "gcc" and "c library" contemplated here ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the chorros had been taking guns off of girly gops walking the beat for at least a year. Now the dudes get beat. Interesting to see where this'll lead.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 12:23:32 BingoBoingo: In local weather, no rioting yet. Trend this week seems to be attacks on various sorts of police functionaries in and around their homes http://archive.is/j8q0W
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953684 << happens to be the correct strategy for the antisocial struggle. first you disable the "police", it's why hiv is the only infectious disease of any consequence.
jfw: cool, if we gotta trust a binary anyway, probably no reason to prefer theirs to his.
diana_coman: jfw: ave1 has GNAT running on musl, no need for the frozen Adacore version really.
jfw: Besides proprietary GPU drivers there are other "traditional Linux" things not likely to run on musl with any amount of futzing, such as compiled non-static binaries (proprietary apps, the Adacore GNAT distribution) and "enterprisey" thinks like authentication plugins; I can't speak to whether we should care about these.
jfw: My view of musl is that it's substantially smaller and cleaner than glibc, but still has a substantial rate of bugfixes mixed in with feature additions. My sense is that many of these are in the area of threading / concurrency, for which they wrote a new implementation of the userspace part, and also an area I'm less familiar with though wouldn't mind improving on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 15:01:28 dorion_road: jfw I know you've spent a good deal of time with musl in the process of getting Gales statically linked , do you think owning the c library is a good fit for you ?
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953705 - Could be. There's a decision that will be needed between glibc, dynamic musl, static musl, some mixture or framework with multiple options, or what. This is a part of the server vs. graphics split that bvt mentioned, or work vs. play if that's a fair characterization of
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 14:50:04 dorion_road: jfw in your Gales Linux articles, please address bvt's question in his tmsr os article about the mb weight and contents of the bootstrapping/package management/developments tools.
jfw: BingoBoingp, guessing that's panamaserver.com , panamaservers.com looks like a parked domain. I'm not familiar with them.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: fwiw that panamaservers thing failed my very initial filtering hence I didn't even bother jfw or dorion_road about it and the thing with customer service and support doesn't sound that great to me either.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 14:58:06 dorion_road: The other priority areas of ownership to clarify : c library, boot process (bios, bootloader, init), userland, install process, process supervision and logging and package management options beyond ebuilds.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-26 21:56:33 BingoBoingo: jfw dorion_road: Do you know anything about an operation calling itself Panamaservers.com? Of particular interest, is Panama a small enough place you maybe ran into their last Customer service and support manager?
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953664 << I don't know that datacenter in particular. I can ask around though, Panama is small. I'd offer to pay a visit to their office if I was in town.
bvt: dorion_road: the kernel rng vpatch will be finished on this weekend (i have all the components in the benchmarking blogpost, just need to clean things up).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 16:57:31 jfw: It's a Linux distro I put together, in a couple stages, based on gcc 4.7, musl, busybox userland, exclusively static linking
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:08:07 trinque: and you have fewer men than you'd like, and I'm not going to pretend to be 20, and then cry when I fail at it. that's why I said I'm looking at kernel + busybox for my own stack. even it isn't human-sized, but it's about two orders of magnitude less twine and shit than "standard linux distro"
dorion_road: To expand what I'm thinking re userland, the choice as far as I see is between stage3 via Cuntoo or Busybox a la Gales + whatever addons are not included in Busybox.
dorion_road: jfw I know you've spent a good deal of time with musl in the process of getting Gales statically linked , do you think owning the c library is a good fit for you ?
dorion_road: The other priority areas of ownership to clarify : c library, boot process (bios, bootloader, init), userland, install process, process supervision and logging and package management options beyond ebuilds.
dorion_road: On the ownership front, so far we have bvt on the kernel, ave1 on gcc and lobbes on ebuilds/package management.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-26 19:49:58 dorion_road: lobbes the understanding ebuilds self-assignment is a good starting point in the meantime as the strategy clarifies. How about you explain them to yourself in the form of a blog article(s) ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-26 19:03:31 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953620 << sounds good to me. The mp-wp bot needs to be completed/delivered this week (which I will have some extra time to do so due to upcoming US holidays). Once I get that and the auctionbot work estimation complete, I will propose a deadline for my ebuild 101 homework.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-26 19:26:28 dorion_road: lobbes Reading your latest plan, looks like auctionbot work remains outstanding useful. How much work/time do you estimate for the auctionbot updates ?
dorion_road: trinque, bvt highlighted you there as well, your input would be appreciated.
dorion_road: jfw in your Gales Linux articles, please address bvt's question in his tmsr os article about the mb weight and contents of the bootstrapping/package management/developments tools.
dorion_road: bvt, I've been reading your kernal and tmsr os articles; I must say they are a pleasure. I'm integrating many of the points you've made in the article I'm writing to clarify the plan here.
dorion_road: how about you publish a review of the current status and plan moving forward on you blog ? That'll help us shorten the feedback loop.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-17 12:42:50 ave1: I was genesing it, and will continue to do so. But with feedback in the loop. So, for example, gcc comes with an old STL html documentation tree, can this be dropped? (I would say yes)
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-17#1951499 << hey ave1, how goes ? has there been a delivery date set on this ?
BingoBoingo: In local weather, no rioting yet. Trend this week seems to be attacks on various sorts of police functionaries in and around their homes http://archive.is/j8q0W
diana_coman: well, on the bright side, there's nothing better than "forbidden!!!" to make it interesting to youth.
mircea_popescu: so in practice it's like... "hey, now you're old enough to be forbidden this great palace where all the cool shit is"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "stupid old women with no sense of humour" news, it turns out the uppity old women lobby in our failed new world colonies change what there passes for "laws" so that nobody under 21 can buy tobacco (used to be 18), and that there's dedicated tobacco-alcohol shops. which are these places wherein nobody under 21 AND OVER 12 can go in. even if accompanied.
diana_coman adds to the list for later today.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-25 diana_coman: jfw: here's for you to change direction then, courtesy of Kafka himself.
mircea_popescu: bvt, aite, i think we're good there.
BingoBoingo: To put the contrast differently. As a trade, datacenter tech is portable. A datacenter tech does his work and follows opportunities like an oilfield roughneck. A customer service manager enters a carrera in the Latino sense of it being a race. It's a race to either move up in the organization of move from organization to organization while staying in front of rot that accumulates in other aspects of the business.
BingoBoingo: Apartment rents in their neighborhood appear to be ~150% to 175% of similarly situated Montevideo rents, and they opened the conversation with a request for my salary expectations. I appreciated they replied, even with an opportunity other than what I approached them about... but I'd like to avoid the situation where I end up in the wrong job *and* underpaid for taking on the extra risk.
BingoBoingo: jfw dorion_road: Do you know anything about an operation calling itself Panamaservers.com? Of particular interest, is Panama a small enough place you maybe ran into their last Customer service and support manager?
BingoBoingo: In unlikely local headlines seen today, ~10 million USD worth of "contraband" went from Uruguay to Paraguay contrary to everything I understand about smuggling between the Guays.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right. The sweep continues.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, they aren't paricularly looking to get more hands in Uruguay, but they are interested enough to have a get to know you sit down. I'm emphasizing my readiness to locate while moderating my expectations.
BingoBoingo: Actually owning, provisioning the Datacenter more of a Burlington sorta industry.
BingoBoingo: Asia's delivered some fast, but dumb. I am beginning to suspect folks with heads in the DC space may have moved to doing the POP in a bunch of other people's buildings thing Pizarro was intended to grow into.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm trying to get that number up to 500. Sticking with the small got a lot of the same dumb silence I met in 2017.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, if you refrain you'll never know what's wrong with them eh
BingoBoingo: Lead from expanding the search to non-Equinix, non-NTT chains
lobbes: and with that, I'm going back to the workbench for said mp-wp bot.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-26 19:49:58 dorion_road: lobbes the understanding ebuilds self-assignment is a good starting point in the meantime as the strategy clarifies. How about you explain them to yourself in the form of a blog article(s) ?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953620 << sounds good to me. The mp-wp bot needs to be completed/delivered this week (which I will have some extra time to do so due to upcoming US holidays). Once I get that and the auctionbot work estimation complete, I will propose a deadline for my ebuild 101 homework.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-26 19:26:28 dorion_road: lobbes Reading your latest plan, looks like auctionbot work remains outstanding useful. How much work/time do you estimate for the auctionbot updates ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-26 13:29:01 mircea_popescu: conversation, at least among well spoken & intelligent people and in the context of organizing work, very well resembles well written programs for well built machines for the exactly obvious reason : that's what the machine aims to be, a well spoken intelligent person.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953567 << sorry. I'll refrain from derailing my trains of thought into the forum going forward
mircea_popescu: a project's in some trouble when management's technically above the actual engineers for chrissakes. and yes, the whole point of even having a republic is fine high escalation, so as to be able to deal well with insanely difficult rare problems.
dorion_road: For fundamental strategy decisions such as the static linking knot, I'm really going to have to lean heavily on the technical expertise here.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't know if I've been this strictly encouraging to read since the War of Life debut.
dorion_road: lobbes the understanding ebuilds self-assignment is a good starting point in the meantime as the strategy clarifies. How about you explain them to yourself in the form of a blog article(s) ?
dorion_road: jfw wallet is top priority this week. can you get a start on your Gales writing as part of the time you have allocated for writing.
jfw: dorion_road, diana_coman: we're in clear agreement that I should write it up then; think I should make that a priority for this week?
dorion_road: lobbes Reading your latest plan, looks like auctionbot work remains outstanding useful. How much work/time do you estimate for the auctionbot updates ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-13 03:01:41 lobbes: I'm aiming to get remainder of mp-wp logger complete in under two weeks. Then rest of Nov I want to tidy up auctionbot. So Dec 1st should be a good starting point for me
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-13 01:54:04 trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-26 00:43:50 lobbes: fwiw, as I understood it the plan was trinque would be managing spyked and myself on the livecd/usb work, starting in Dec
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953547 << I need to update myself on the livecd/usb work thread.
dorion_road: I understand the "what you're engaging" part is important to know in deciding, but for the sake of sharing an estimate that it's work you're interested in.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 21:24:34 trinque: best of luck to dorion_road then. last I heard neither spyked nor lobbes were free until december, and no, I'm not able to maintain the pace of engagement this appears to require.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953543 << Thank you for the luck wishes. What pace of engagement do you see yourself able to maintain over say, a 30-60 day stretch ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 18:02:15 jfw: mircea_popescu: a Linux distro, yes, though my understanding was that what we built there was too narrow in hardware and application support to be of more general interest
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953501 << well, the gcc, busybox, musl static, et cetera work you've done with Gales are all of interest to the conversation and decision making from my view.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953498 << Yes, we have to reconsider how cvasi-corp proceeds from here to integrate the work.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 17:19:40 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953464 << just don't fucking circumvectamur amore about it, it's how all these other kids died.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 17:18:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953458 << nothing new or different, same old thing management always was. write a plan, get people to ~commit~ to parts, chase the commitments, reschedule as needed and so on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 16:03:55 jfw: To update on http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950766 , I would be more comfortable with 10 hours a week, at least if it's an "intangibles and goodwill" sort of deal. dorion_road was in accord if I recall. And as discussed with spyked, the limited time could provide a good pressure to keep it productive.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953471 << yeah, to start. let's see how productive 10 hours a week can be made and re-evaluate after we gather feedback.
BingoBoingo: I suppose Asian proficiency in English can't be any worse than Uruguay's alleged "Best in Latin America, though no one knows what the letters sound like" English
spyked: mircea_popescu, that inflation isn't limited just to version numbers tho. those numbers are just the tip of the iceberg hiding underneath a whole lot of stupid changes. e.g. gcc 4.7 to 4.9 had quite a few changes (among others) to default flags, admittedly. but 4.9 to 6, ffs that broke compilation for a lot of projects.
mircea_popescu: but anyways, a lot of this "it's just numbers" attitude since the innumerate have been "no kid left behind"'d into everyone's processes. then once cats finally join the fray as fully franchised theirdemocracy voters &c, it'll be "whatever, it's just calendars" and so on.
mircea_popescu: (among teh great advantages of ye log import : sql search for "power" "rangers" now yields 94 rows in set, all of the Forum logs for X format. yippee! i kinda do vaguely regret however not bothering to immortalize the original gushing fan on tardstalk, "oh, you guys are like power rangers!!!" in excited response to the perceived great acumen displayed by hearn fucking up bitcoin while everyone else was watching manga)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 05:40:35 mircea_popescu: all sorta chuck moores, "famous" and apparently ever so good and useful, just WAITING for you to give them a chance to strangle you.
mircea_popescu: "your two hours worth of nothing in particular still make you just as good as say that cuck derp dad's age -- think, he never made a major version revision, but you did! you're so cool...!!!"
mircea_popescu: whereas for the generation ingoing with the sept that never ended, their exactly just as deeply rooted precisely equal fear of its own inconsequence and inadequacy manifested as version number inflation, with which printing press to pay off on the hopes&dreams of a team of retards. simple monetization of the sacred cows of the previous generation, really, which is how neoprotestantism ever works.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-26 04:52:14 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953525 <-- way I see it, this version numbering scheme comes as a consequence of the adoption of a "move fast and break things" ideology. it's just numbers, the guys leading those projects don't try to make any distinction between "major" and "minor" changes anymore
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953553 << countervailingly, the way i see it is that insecurity flipped once the generations changed ; the generation outgoing with the sept that never ended had a deeply rooted fear of its own inconsequence and inadequacy that manifested in a version of neoprotestant modesty whereby by the time a program reached version 2 something it had passed through three hands or m
mircea_popescu: conversation, at least among well spoken & intelligent people and in the context of organizing work, very well resembles well written programs for well built machines for the exactly obvious reason : that's what the machine aims to be, a well spoken intelligent person.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-13 03:01:41 lobbes: I'm aiming to get remainder of mp-wp logger complete in under two weeks. Then rest of Nov I want to tidy up auctionbot. So Dec 1st should be a good starting point for me
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-13 01:54:04 trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-26 00:43:50 lobbes: fwiw, as I understood it the plan was trinque would be managing spyked and myself on the livecd/usb work, starting in Dec
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953547 << the thing you're quoting doesn't match the structure of a thing that may be quoted as the basis for "i understood" in this context, because it's the innard of a loop rather than the return of the level-adequate conditional block.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-26 00:45:11 lobbes: anyways, why not have dorion come in as the day-to-day manager, with trinque in a more advisory/consultant role? I thought this was more or less the original plan to begin with tbh
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953550 << because we're trying to not be / get out of being in the business of dicking around.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, that sounds pretty great, actually. what's wrong with asia after all, they have tiny weird looking chicks but i guess one can always rubberband a coupla together and fuck in between the bellies. vaseline conquers all!
bvt: spyked: ftr, this is just a brain dump, i'm trying to evolve my own understanding of the problem
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 21:24:34 trinque: best of luck to dorion_road then. last I heard neither spyked nor lobbes were free until december, and no, I'm not able to maintain the pace of engagement this appears to require.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953543 <-- actually I've been getting some more intimate knowledge of cuntoo in the last coupla weeks, now I have a write-up I need to do on that... a couple of them even.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 18:40:23 BingoBoingo: also has no idea what justified version jumping from 4 to 9 in under a decade either.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953525 <-- way I see it, this version numbering scheme comes as a consequence of the adoption of a "move fast and break things" ideology. it's just numbers, the guys leading those projects don't try to make any distinction between "major" and "minor" changes anymore
lobbes: anyways, why not have dorion come in as the day-to-day manager, with trinque in a more advisory/consultant role? I thought this was more or less the original plan to begin with tbh
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-13 03:01:41 lobbes: I'm aiming to get remainder of mp-wp logger complete in under two weeks. Then rest of Nov I want to tidy up auctionbot. So Dec 1st should be a good starting point for me
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-13 01:54:04 trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.
lobbes: fwiw, as I understood it the plan was trinque would be managing spyked and myself on the livecd/usb work, starting in Dec
BingoBoingo: It's looking like I probably should have started the search with Asia... Fastest non-autoresponder response yet (notably faster than when I approached the place for a quote)
trinque: best of luck to dorion_road then. last I heard neither spyked nor lobbes were free until december, and no, I'm not able to maintain the pace of engagement this appears to require.
diana_coman: in wp/mpwp solved wtfs: those weirdly ordered comments of mine turned out to be the artefact of importing previously deeper-nested comments, sigh.
mircea_popescu: and in other anglo lulz : searches for "teen whores" return naught but, well, porn. as you'd expect. "~teenage~ whores" searches, however, return nothing but retards ranting about how their kids shouldn't suck the cock or whatever usgistani neoprotestant nonsense.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Job search is eating the majority of my waking hours. Aite.
BingoBoingo has collection of notes from over the years and recent weeks planned for blogbaking
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Anyways, while it's still available Devuan Jessie (systemd free Debian fork) seems the least shitty noobable distro of the day that hasn't linkrotted out of existence.
BingoBoingo also has no idea what justified version jumping from 4 to 9 in under a decade either.
BingoBoingo: Whatever the hell GCC wreckers were doing while they iterated their first digit up to 9 as Stallman mushroomed, there is no fucking way it can be considered improvement.
BingoBoingo: Worked on OpenBSD's weirdo GCC 2-ish thing back before OpenBSD got the bozo bit.
BingoBoingo: jfw: Good. I was checking out some Linux distros as part of the housecleaning, and everything later than 4 is hopeless. The chopped up 0.7.2 bitcoin client I use... sits in ~1.3 GB of RAM on GCC4 linux. Precariously sits in 4-ish GB RAM on GCC6 linux before exploding. Clang, and GCC later than 6, seem impossible.
jfw: BingoBoingo: 4.7, the last series to not require a c++ compiler to bootstrap
BingoBoingo: jfw: Is the Gales thing a GCC4 toolchain?
mircea_popescu: huh, i suppose i'll have to open that up, iirc the last one was dpb
diana_coman: hm, mircea_popescu is there any Eulora coppers merchant left?
jfw: mircea_popescu: could be, indeed; I'll keep mine in the queue for publishing as that may help clarify.
diana_coman: there is that too, indeed.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Apparently the Chinese are doing on of their "ban, but not a ban" price manipulation ops
jfw: mircea_popescu: a Linux distro, yes, though my understanding was that what we built there was too narrow in hardware and application support to be of more general interest
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 16:03:55 jfw: To update on http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950766 , I would be more comfortable with 10 hours a week, at least if it's an "intangibles and goodwill" sort of deal. dorion_road was in accord if I recall. And as discussed with spyked, the limited time could provide a good pressure to keep it productive.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 14:39:13 dorion_road: I'm thinking best ot verify my understanding through conversation here, then write an article by the end of the week to solidify the priorities and goals.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953464 << just don't fucking circumvectamur amore about it, it's how all these other kids died.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 14:32:04 dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953428 << my initial bias is to say, yes I want it. Before I take the claim though, I have to better understand what the responsibility of heading the project means.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953458 << nothing new or different, same old thing management always was. write a plan, get people to ~commit~ to parts, chase the commitments, reschedule as needed and so on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 17:49:00 jfw: my schedule seems pretty packed at least through the end of 2019, perhaps at that point I could make something like 20 hours per week, will have to consider
jfw: To update on http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950766 , I would be more comfortable with 10 hours a week, at least if it's an "intangibles and goodwill" sort of deal. dorion_road was in accord if I recall. And as discussed with spyked, the limited time could provide a good pressure to keep it productive.
dorion_road has a meeting at 21:30 UTC , will keep an eye out until then and check back later this evening.
dorion_road: 5) clarify infrastructure and processes for code and documentation distribution ; 6) write a plan and execute raising the quality and growing the quantity of people to get into the WoT and participate/contribute to tmsr(-os).
diana_coman: dorion_road: I'm sure there will be no problem to discuss those as soon as mircea_popescu gets back to his terminal too.
dorion_road: My first thoughts about apporaching the position are : 1) clarify the scope ; 2) clarify the priorities ; 3) assign people to execute the priorities ; 4) establish and maintain estimated timeline and stages of delivery ;
dorion_road: I'm thinking best ot verify my understanding through conversation here, then write an article by the end of the week to solidify the priorities and goals.
dorion_road: I don't dispute the noteed [junior management status, but am keen to demonstrate the bootstrapping people process, as BB puts it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 09:06:41 mircea_popescu: yo dorion , you wanna head the tmsr-os project for us ?
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953428 << my initial bias is to say, yes I want it. Before I take the claim though, I have to better understand what the responsibility of heading the project means.
BingoBoingo: I imagine you'll be hearing plenty of that in the coming weeks
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 09:06:23 mircea_popescu: so i guess... let's try promoting from the ranks, what could it possibly hurt.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953427 << I will say, the big advantage this seems to have is diana_coman's pages are getting schooled on communication and organization. If the trend continues and this works out, could be a great demonstration on how to bootstrap people in addition to delivering an OS.
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/11/a-little-bit-of-tinyscheme-a-lot-of-cozonac/ << The Whet -- A Little Bit of TinyScheme, a Lot of Cozonac
diana_coman: in the warehouse? :))
mircea_popescu: actually, i guess ima take the bitchez out for a walk. bbl.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i really can't complain, the weather here's a very solid late march, though it be almost december. sunny warm and pretty.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, lmao, the mythical being of gijbig would say that, "now just put it all in a pot and bring me a big spoon!"
diana_coman: they are atm under some pressure to finish a working version of a wallet too but I'd say that is currently at a more tech stage really so the os-planning could start anyway.
mircea_popescu: if i have to look at one more "mamaliga cu brinza" nominally, except the brinza is genuine grana padano and the trims are foie gras de canard, beluga roe, anchovies an' pickled green olives my liver's just gonna fall the fuck over.
mircea_popescu: i get it, the internet's best-in-the-world, whatever. i've done all the film watching an' vidya i can stomach.
mircea_popescu: time fucking flies, dude, what the fuck can i say. it's been a month! how long am i gonna sit in this warehouse.
mircea_popescu: yo dorion , you wanna head the tmsr-os project for us ?
mircea_popescu: so i guess... let's try promoting from the ranks, what could it possibly hurt.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 06:52:21 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950564 << my only take-away is that trinque does not want to own the tmsr os. whether this is because ye olde manaloning & etc silly habits of boihood are just that hard to break, or for whatever reason. i can't quite discern, seeing how he talks little and mostly besides the point.
mircea_popescu: seems to me today november the 25th we've not moved inch one away from nov 12th, though it's been two weeks. i don't expect anything substantially different will occur in the remaining two, so i'll just conclude that for whatever reason trinque's not the man for this job.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:32:29 mircea_popescu: trinque, suppose spyked's game, and what you have to do is run the two fellows + whatever we can meaningfully accrete through the tmsr-ization of cuntoo.
mircea_popescu: 009/exceptionalismul-feminin/][cuntheadedness]) : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066
mircea_popescu: what's left is the one remainder in the hands of this yet-another ex-republic (ex, through its failure, conscious even if disavowed, an' in any case vehehehery carefully constructed out of vehehehehery carefully curated [http://trilema.com/2
ossabot: (eulora) 2019-11-24 mircea_popescu: aite, this is good then.
mircea_popescu: i shall be leaving for istanbul / isfahan / lebanon / cairo / tipoli / tunis etc (unless i decide to go luxor and so on from there) in another week or two. i wanted, like a sane fucking person, to have things arranged and in working order by then, and indeed -- removing logging from the inept if stupid hands of "the community" looks like it'll be done, as per above. removing coding from the inept if stupid hands of the
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 17:30:40 mp_en_viaje: well... hm. what i mean is, i'm back at eurocastle mp, rather than on the road.
mircea_popescu: now in sadder news : the problem i have here is that i am traveling. i very carefully introduced stationary windows to be able to look after affairs, but we're just about four weeks into the current one, which is thereby drawing to a close.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 02:09:09 lobbes: I've only a few trivial cosmetic changes to make at this point (e.g. I'm going to add those [http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jan-2012/#comment-132433][reference links on the timestamps), as well as the line echo
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-20 12:07:50 mircea_popescu: could you replace all instances of 4byte utf with [X ((Symbolic representation of Mother Goddess / Great Inca / USG's State Corporations has been removed.))] plox ?
diana_coman: ah, that would be very likely; not like they weren't dead, but essentially got swept up too.
spyked: ah. at some point the ro tld provider changed the pricing model from indefinite to yearly subscription-based. so I suspect many abandoned sites went offline when their domains expired.
diana_coman: as I was going yesterday through my blog's archives, ~all of the links to .ro are dead; life on the internets is short apparently.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-24 12:44:27 mircea_popescu: aand congrats spyked on the feedbot not falling down
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-24#1953347 <-- huh, looks like it survived the deluge indeed :D
lobbes did indeed have to do the whole 'account' thing, but will ride that horse
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-21 00:48:03 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951273 << just to address this, I'm in the process of provisioning a rented server in Malaysia. Some company called Shinjiru. I will keep you updated on this
lobbes: I've also got the Malaysia server provisioned as of this time. I've ssh-ed into the box, but that is about it. I will get the remainder of the LAMP stack installed tomorrow methinks.
lobbes: I've only a few trivial cosmetic changes to make at this point (e.g. I'm going to add those [http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jan-2012/#comment-132433][reference links on the timestamps), as well as the line echo
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-20 12:07:50 mircea_popescu: could you replace all instances of 4byte utf with [X ((Symbolic representation of Mother Goddess / Great Inca / USG's State Corporations has been removed.))] plox ?
BingoBoingo: And the fat forehead candidate refused to concede http://qntra.net/2019/11/uruguays-electoral-court-waiting-until-next-friday-to-certify-presidental-ballot-results-after-apparent-luis-lacalle-pou-victory/
BingoBoingo: In an update to last night's mess, apparently the kids in addition to the Navy bus busted up a bunch of street parked cars a couple blocks from me.
BingoBoingo: From what I understand of riots, the side with horses tends to have an advantage provided they understand the how cavalry works
BingoBoingo: 89.6 of the votes counted 30,000 vote difference favoring Luis. May be the case the right ends up rioting and burning shit down.
BingoBoingo: Or they want to raise the herpity derp hopes enough to maybe push them into burning shit down.
BingoBoingo: And shit's gone to a "technical tie." Either this is news derps trying to goose their ratings or the Left is trying to steal the election.
BingoBoingo: Guess I'll be seeing if the "call to arms" derpery is actually plugged into derps with arms or not.
BingoBoingo: And calls among the local left to take up arms and start doing the guerilla thing are making it to their public publications! http://archive.is/000jq
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local voter fraud - http://archive.is/GwJbO Apparently Frentistas are marking voting slips in the secret ballot room with the aim of having folks trying to vote in earnest end up submitting annuled voting slips.
BingoBoingo: Well, not even that. They misrepresent what the crowds gathered for. Last night's crowd was big, but it was mostly folks tomando mate and bobbing along to some sorta faulty alt-FUCKGOATS output.
mircea_popescu: oh, right, speaking of the log deluge : http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-mar-2016/#2067222 << last item refcount
mircea_popescu: kinda what ourdemocracy is all about, neh ? pretend large gathered crowds are enough
BingoBoingo: Last night's crowd was a dense collection of bipeds with a headcount that easily exceeded the entire naval manpower of Uruguay, but... they didn't have any energy at all.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, I'll start cranking up the pre-emptive photography on the assumption low energy crowds could be misrepresented in hostile press as pink color revolutions.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I suspect the Uruguayos want Montevideo to be turn of the century meatpacking boom Chicago more than they want it to be New York or Miami.
mircea_popescu: could maybe find some remaindered white helmets / elbow leather gloves
BingoBoingo: Around this time last year was when they started having motorcycle naval infantry start escorting the prefectura trucks to put on a show for tourists or whatever. Why the bus didn't get motorcycle marines is also a mystery.
BingoBoingo: Why they don't just cart them around in the back of the Prefectura Naval pickup trucks is a mystery to me.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, navy has to move its people around. This is Uruguay, their default transportation flag is set to bus. And so the Navy shuttles its folks around on its own Navy bus line serving all 5k or so navy folks.
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck is a naval bus
mircea_popescu: or like the naggum quotes and so on. but yeah, as far as contributions go, early 2010s period "bitcoin community" is exactly the collection of spurious & idle retards it stayed throughout.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, there's the occasional gem in there, you know, "oh, five bucks is way too much for a coin' "selling 200 btc" etc
BingoBoingo: Once it clicked though, a nice solid stream of content once locked into a legacy format entered the format of the future.
mircea_popescu: annoying as fuck for a coupla days, but other than that... yeah.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, just a lengthy pile of fiddling and whatnot, the way these format conversions usually go.
diana_coman: those 2012 logs though seemed very light on content, just here and there, probably can even filter by nicks and be done with it.
mircea_popescu: in other news, it took me 18 reloads to hit on a log article in the random trilema rotation. considering there's ~1500 of the damn things, puts its immensity well in perspective.
mircea_popescu: aand congrats spyked on the feedbot not falling down
ossabot: (eulora) 2019-11-24 mircea_popescu: "the more insane drivel I read from proponents of Free Software and Open Source, the more convinced I am that this once noble movement will go away and not even become a footnote in the history of mankind when their real goal has been achieved: the destruction of Microsoft."
BingoBoingo: jfw ty for the update
jfw: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo: trinque appears to have solved the problem with my deedbot wallet account but any previous attempts at invoicing didn't make it through. Should be clear to retry now.
mircea_popescu: aite, back on the horseback.
mircea_popescu: i expect it will be done ~tomorrow. see y'all then!
mircea_popescu: the horror ; it has begun.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/of-tits-and-masks-and-other-things/ << Trilema -- Of tits, and masks, and other things
diana_coman: and there's a quite minimal version that I used to install without any trouble really.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-22 21:16:09 BingoBoingo: nicoleci: I think Ubuntu even has a flavor that uses XFCE instead of the Gnome crap they replaced their old thing only they used
BingoBoingo: Also the padded walled gardens that don't want juicy bimbos
hanbot: honing in on the bulk of demands being "plays candy crush, orders takeout, rounds corners"
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Right. And this triad is a substantial narrowing from back in the day when Macromedia/Adobe Flash/shockwave were... different things. Microsoft shat out a .Net/Silverlight/etc every other year, etc