mircea_popescu: a well. the educative function of b-a
funkenstein_: and now he shows up in the latest robert foster rap news
ben_vulpes: 'and then copied' << aha! i thought i'd read that somewhere.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: overall, 'buildroot' is scarcely more than an elaborate 'makefile'. everything you might care to know about it can be learned through reading the docs, the thing itself, and by experiment.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can buildroot be coerced to crap out builds of its "packages" in addition to the nixen it builds?
mxtm: i am using the same gpg key
williamdunne: Using the same GPG key
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 21:36:37; mircea_popescu: the city never sleeps
adlai: mxtm: make sure you're talking to assbot, for this channel. gribble does authentication for #bitcoin-otc
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mxtm: yeh, how do i get properly in with the assbot WoT?
mxtm: oh i see, the wiki or whatever didn't mention that
mircea_popescu: because the two wots split early 2015 basically.
mircea_popescu: you still do the vague that. that what.
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mircea_popescu: how the fuck do i know.
williamdunne: If you ask anyone how they identify in that context it seems you do not deserve much thought of you
mircea_popescu: but for different reasons altogether.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how i ended up with some of these and some girlie asked me how do i "identify" and i said aliphatic.
williamdunne: Please treat my gender with the weight it so-deserves
mircea_popescu: <trinque> that is why I didn't just import the thing blindly; it worked differently than the current iteration << yeah at this point a note is called for at that <hr />
mircea_popescu: women, of course, are relatively common in places. and so therefore...
mircea_popescu: which contemporary pretender to sovereignty would you say is not organised by and for the needs, interests and preoccupations of women ?
mircea_popescu: admitting that the two ways any group of people could be organised as are strictly 1. it's only funny until someone loses an eye. then it's hysterical and b. minimize the discomfort of everyone an' love them whether they want to or not,
mircea_popescu: sure. and for the following good reason :
williamdunne: mircea_popescu, that seems to be a relatively common theme in many places, in fairness
mircea_popescu: <williamdunne> I will presume you are in the US << he's in portland. a place so infected with dumb, if you ever run into a sane woman you gotta marry her.
adlai: don't forget the added benefit of having everybody explicitly, voluntarily, affirm their trust in bob
williamdunne: Its extra efficient because every computer has to do the calculation, instead of just one!
adlai: you may be glad to hear that decentralization has opened a theater next to security
williamdunne: Aha, I wrote a post about that the other day. So fed up of this "Decentralize all the things" meme
mircea_popescu: othereis ?
adlai: there's more to it than autocomplete!
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would THAT work lol
mircea_popescu: and teh same goes to teh other nooblet.
mircea_popescu: <williamdunne> I'm in Assbot's WoT, not sure why it didn't work for me << because you typed out the full name like a noob, and you have a display that fails to make the diff between capital i and lowcase l. instead of, you know, typiong the first three letters then hitting autocompletion like people who aren't noobs, and thus by noticing that Blo<tab> does nothing figure out the problem.
mircea_popescu: lol i put the serb/nigger in bash
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes " men who button the top button of their shirt when not wearing a tie." << what's that ? retardaton ? tuxedo ?
williamdunne: Those who have need of it should learn how to use it, instead of hoping for it to be spoonfed to them with parallax
trinque: with that said, let no one ever claim that the deedbot doesn't work because they couldn't figure out how to verify these
trinque: that is why I didn't just import the thing blindly; it worked differently than the current iteration
trinque: ben_vulpes: the old deeds bundle hashes are a hash of each deed comma-delimited, then hashed again all together
williamdunne: I will presume you are in the US
ben_vulpes: i don't think that this place could ever repay me for the cost of living here.
ben_vulpes: adlai: how do you know it was a net gift and not theft?
williamdunne: Yep, thats the one I was answering - I wouldn't consider the sovereignty I reside in to be a part of my identity.
adlai: why do you feel "cut from" the UK?
williamdunne: From the UK, got into bitcoin a couple of years ago but spent the last having my education from a number of #b-a soures
Adlai: williamdunne: aha! "Currently not authenticated."?
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williamdunne: Is the source available for assbot? I'll have a peek
Adlai: there is a problem! system be broke.
Adlai: there appears to be an anomaly.
Adlai: 04:22:24 mxtm | I am in the WoT :( just not assbot's
Adlai: get in the wot, fuckers
mxtm: and then spamming and calling me slurs
`bittrex-richie: and lick they ass
mxtm: he's the serb
mxtm: `bittrex-richie is impersonating bittrex-richie, by the way
Adlai uses "they" quite a bit
ben_vulpes: i'm just going to use it as a filter, the same way i filter against men who button the top button of their shirt when not wearing a tie.
mats: but i want to hear more about what the wikipedia admins are talking about in their private channel
mircea_popescu: pious fraud. no history was ever told any other way, because the principal driver behind history as a human behaviour is exactly what Chillum was describing re his involvement in wikipedia.
mats: like lincoln ever gave a shit about emancipating the negros ... rather than driving them into revolt, resistance, and generally disrupting the southern economy
mats: the popular retelling of american history is terribly freedomwashed
mircea_popescu: the fact that the medical science of detecting imaginary maladies never got such a boost before or since notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: women voluntarily married at the time, too.
decimation: note that the above mentioned indentured servants volunteered, probably because of bankruptcy
mircea_popescu: what if i started an encyclopedia presenting the current state of "web development" as indicative of what computing science is ?
mircea_popescu: that it's badmouthed by the lazy, and that the encyclopedists pushed this angle where the late failure is presented as pars pro toto reporesentative... well.
mircea_popescu: decimation the fact remains that slavery is generally productive, and in some circumstances the only practicable alternative.
decimation: well, the colonies were a nice place to 'disappear' all kinds of crazies
decimation: "Two were "Negro slaves", but the other eight were white servants, including Thomas Pearce, a 20-year-old Bristol joiner, and William Webster, a middle-aged Scottish brick-maker. Whether they were ever found remains a mystery; almost nothing is known about them but their names. But their irate master was to become very famous indeed, for the man pursuing his absconding servants was called George Washington."
mircea_popescu: i suppose the us owes reparations to britain.
decimation: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/3664862/The-forgotten-history-of-Britains-white-slaves.html
mircea_popescu: the woman's husband wanted to end the fee tail on the woman's dowry estate, and did not wish to entertain her children (which she had with a guy she actually liked, about her age), and so ... had his friend teh lord of the cinque ports declare them slaves, and they got sent where slaves went in 1500.
mircea_popescu: in fact, even the puritans, even on the mayflower, for all the pretense to contrary, shipped a total of four children that had been stolen from a gentry woman in england, against hte mother's wishes. three died the first winter there.
mircea_popescu: it was common practice to pick up children off the street / take the children of people living on the dole and send them over.
mircea_popescu: but the original northern colonists (south didn't exist, like oregon didn't exist during civil war) ran exactly the equivalent of the southern plantation,
mircea_popescu: THEN cotton.
mircea_popescu: then sugar cane
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 16:57:38; asciilifeform: it having been the only really serious business in that part of the world, at the time.
mircea_popescu: "welcome, driving class. today, we learn how to accelerate the car. next week, we'll learn steering and braking."
mircea_popescu: seeing how stupidity is not self-healing, i don't even need to keep the list per se. just read another sentence later.
mircea_popescu: but the fact remains, i keep reading through, stupid accumulates, eventually overrurns my (short) buffer and i drop it.
mircea_popescu: but look at the way i read, it's illustrative.
jurov: i did not mean to split hairs there :) so it goes like, you get upset, add it to the list while maybe breaking the keyboard or two and life goes on?
mircea_popescu: but for the other, how do you maintain the list of endless things that are not letters ?
jurov: btw, is there a trilema piece about how to maintain endless lists of "things that are not to exist" without becoming mad in the process?
mircea_popescu: that's teleological in usage. but perhaps there's something long forgotten to the etymology.
mircea_popescu: the active schizophrenic is mad but not demented.
mircea_popescu: decimation no. demented is different from mad in that one lacks the intellect whereas the other has a malfunctioning intellect. the alzhimer patient is demented but not mad.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, this is not how languages work.
mircea_popescu: sure, the dysfunctional us "dictionaries", really properly wikitionaries have everything equal. (demencia passion locura furia) = (insanity crazyness madness
decimation: not in the 'crazy old men sense, no'
decimation suspects that the longer one resides in south america, the more one would come to appreciate herr colacho
decimation: "Even though history does not have laws, the course of a revolution is easily foreseen, because stupidity and madness do have laws. (#2,222)" http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/11/2222.html
ascii_modem: them to be told apart easily, as typewrtrs
decimation: but the tech allowed registration of copiers?
mircea_popescu: "That Lakota men did not like to be called "heart of a woman" in council meetings is less likely to mean that women were regarded as inferior than that the warrior's role was sharply set off from the woman's role". Check it out, both the Lakota and Hassrick managed to figure it out!
trinque: we are taught (though this is of course delusional) that we're supposed to be this force of GOOD (TM) in the world
decimation: yes, and it's seen as noble because it embiggens 'the other' in the third whom they idolize
mircea_popescu: why us army hasn't been allowed to win a war since the 60s at least.
mircea_popescu: the us population fundamentally wishes to be deeply humiliated by the entire world. it's what they're doing over there.
decimation: 'the people' desperately want to believe that there is a secretly competent branch of usg saving them from themselves
decimation: mircea_popescu: you see this in the us with the ambiguity usg shows toward spying in general
trinque: mircea_popescu: always a very small number of whichever govt officials compared to the total populatio
mircea_popescu: i said this before, but perhaps not as clearly : no totalitarian state oppressed the people. ever.
mircea_popescu: like the retarded native americans go through the tsa anal gefingerpoken so as to be clarified of their sins ?
mircea_popescu: like a retarded native american would have taken it to the shaman to be exorcised ?
mircea_popescu: does this not suggest that the ACTUAL REASON adults "had to" register their typewriters was because they wanted to have to ?
mircea_popescu: you had to "register" your typewriter. kids didn't have to register their magnetophone.
jurov: it bit them to ass when videotapes came, tho
jurov: interesting that govt did not regulate them at all, unlike photocopiers
decimation: jurov: surely they received it on shortwave
decimation: trinque: easy. 'the distant other' always happens to agree with your own liberalizing views
trinque: decimation: how does that square with the rampant narcissism?
mircea_popescu: was that not just natural "look to vienna" for the kingdom of bohemia ?
decimation: jurov: many have noted that western liberalism is much more concerned with 'the other' than with themselves
mircea_popescu: was not really happening that much in the 60s.
mircea_popescu: jurov only after the economic race was lost, mind.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, as far as pop music is concerned, not understanding what the lyrics say is a net plus.
decimation: well, at least the last generation took what they heard and remixed it to something somewhat unique
mircea_popescu: decimation i have no idea, maybe it has. if that's the case then your answer is "because THIS stupid generation is different from THAT one."
trinque: probably as simple as "because they gorge on our shitty entertainment, like the morons everywhere"
mircea_popescu: the stupid have no country.
decimation: mircea_popescu: why do the 'natives' there sing low quality us pop music instead of performing their own stuff?
mircea_popescu: admit, there's no shame to it.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, after bitching above, just got email from one of the folks involved apologizing profusely. so which one of you dudes runs godmodehost ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: they probably give him pills to help with that
mircea_popescu: "hi, i am obama and for a while there I was a bad meme."
trinque: mircea_popescu: we tell circle to mark a bit to 0 in their db, and they keep our info for all time
trinque: it worked! reminded me to close the account
trinque: heh, reminds me I have the account?
mircea_popescu: maybe it's their idea of a retention strategy.
trinque: this morning I got a bunch of 2fa texts from circle; I wonder if they have an undiagnosed bug leaking customer info
mircea_popescu: amps should be a restricted fucking export. buncha native retards and their cargo cultishness bejeezuz.
mircea_popescu: o wait, they're doing "we will rock you" now.
mircea_popescu: and people are like, squaling in delight, there's thunderous applause... "forever young" hasn't got this bad a mangling since the last tiem a drunk dude in wichita sung it at a karaoke
mircea_popescu: they're doing covers of shitty elevator music, all of it in english (or should i say their lords and masters over the faulklands ?), and they don't get the words right or even rightly apprehend what anything means.
mircea_popescu: jurov meanwhile, while we've been having this conversation, there's been one of those open air concerts going on right under my window. the women can not sing. i mean... the tune is not even close, it's like zappa's "the beat goes on, and you're so wrong..." stuff.
trinque: other men in my family did things that still tower above my own achievements, so I have something to compare myself with
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah, creative people, entrepreneurs. In my case I've been self-directed for the larger part of the last 5 years, but I wouldn't credit myself with having provided all the motivation to go down that route.
jurov: something that bothers me
mircea_popescu: trinque this pointedly excludes "creative people", obv. the sad story of WBs animation studio post quimby vs pre is a fine illustration there.
jurov: i kinda ran out of problem i feel the need of solving
trinque: the world's too comfortable; goes back to the thread yesterday about whether being self-taught is a thing
mircea_popescu: jurov i dunno dood, for money, cause it's what you do... the world was built by men who enjoyed working.
mircea_popescu: I just... never looked for a webhost since at least 2002, been using pretty much the same outfit since.
jurov: i have serious doubts myself, why bother messing around at all?
mircea_popescu: and in other news, jesus CHRIST has the world decayed since I last looked for a host.
asciilifeform: it having been the only really serious business in that part of the world, at the time.
asciilifeform: <chetty> not so much in the north, northern farms were small << most of the powerful northern figures were, in some way or another, connected with the slave trade or the cotton business in general
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pete_dushenski: reference : http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/25/a-retrospective-on-six-years-in-the-car-blogosphere/#footnote_10_2563
pete_dushenski: "Toyota Venza volume peaked in the model’s first full year at 54,410 units. Two years later, in 2011, Venza sales slid 28%. Last year, U.S. Venza volume was barely more than half what it was in 2009." << oh hey look pete killed the venza with his cartoon drawings in 2011
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mats: and on the subject of media, four episodes of this season's Game of Thrones have been leaked
mats: ofc, on x64 Linux the oom killer catches it
mats: on Windows the common codecs formats means that 99% of users would be running a 32-bit version of both the video player and the codecs
mats: e.g. they have a VLC bug that causes it to use terabytes of memory
mats: Fun fact: Media companies (or contractors thereof) are doing vuln research on media players in order to plant bug-triggering media files on warez sites.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> <chetty> most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston << at what time, this ?//founding fathers = circa 1770
mircea_popescu: journalist as opposed to indian battery chicken, i guess. "i cluck at the keyboard just like the wetbacks, but in not being a wetback i get to call myself a journalist. by trade!"
mircea_popescu: "Harriette Halepis is a journalist by trade. Her work can be seen in Vegetarian Times, Seacoast Living, Success Magazine, Alive Magazine, and various other online and offline publications."
mircea_popescu: <chetty> most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston << at what time, this ?
chetty: decimation certainly, even as far north as Maryland but I don't think it was the majority
decimation: chetty: the ones from virginia certainly kept plantations
decimation: but I think this is failing too. how many us folk believe that throwing their sons into the us military 'intervention' wood chipper is actually helping anyone other than the power-mad staffers in washington?
decimation: yes, but usg has been very successful at brainwashing the masses into believing its bullshit
asciilifeform: since gang of plantation keepers formed 'democratic' chrome on their actual decision mechanisms
asciilifeform: the apparatus-of-state-as-distraction thing is not even specifically soviet
asciilifeform: but uncoupled, is the fundamental part.
asciilifeform: like the blinkers of one car, standing in a long jam, can appear to synchronize with another's
asciilifeform: what is declared, is at most masking smoke for the actual decision.
decimation: so who gave a fuck about whatever the local soviet declared? folks who wanted to climb the power structure?
asciilifeform: decimation: there is a popular anecdote where stalin is said to have visited his elderly mother, who tried to comprehend what he does 'for a living'
asciilifeform: (where, for instance, 'laws' tens of thousands of pages long will 'pass' without any one living creature having read so much as a tenth of the text, etc)
decimation: asciilifeform: surely the average peasant couldn't be much bothered to distinguish between comrade joe and tzar nikolai?
asciilifeform: by and large the pretence was an elaborate and - to the amateur, scarcely-comprehensible - mega-kabuki
decimation: surely even stalin had to pretend that he was operating the structure installed by lenin and his friends on kronstadt
asciilifeform: whole thing was a production of the 'chrome' sov. gov. that had little relation to actual decision-making
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes brejnev's. which one, the pre war ?!
mircea_popescu: much like the us. except the soviets making up the soyouz actually had more autonomy than wisconsin
asciilifeform: the mega-classic is stalin's
mircea_popescu: the soviets, of course, were a federation
decimation: the detail I recall is the vast pyramids of committees and soviets that each 'advise' the next layer
mircea_popescu: you read the thing ?
decimation: on paper, democracy blooms. in practice, party secretary is the tzar
decimation: actually the soviet constitution is exactly an excercise in 'process determines outcomes'
asciilifeform: during and after 'new deal', american constitution and derived 'law' became approximately as interesting as the soviet constitution.
mircea_popescu: this is why a constitution is fundamentally a joke. if you have the men that you need for it to work, you don't need it. if you don't have them, it's useless anyway.
mircea_popescu: all constitutions are constantly reinterpreted. see discussion about the bbs above.
decimation: as long as there is a 'reasonable basis' for the law (as in, usg can provide any reason whatsoever"
decimation: unfortunately no transcript. the relevant point was about how the constitution was 'reinterpreted' during the new deal years to mean that the 'equal protection under law' clause doesn't apply to actual laws
decimation: actually I heard another interesting podcast today that is related > http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2006/09/legislators_vs.html
decimation: lol well then what does it protect against?
mircea_popescu: "Florida Constitution does not protect homestead property against tax liens, homeowner association mechanics liens associated with labor or materials to repair or improve the homestead property, and voluntary liens including mortgages and homeowner association liens. "
mircea_popescu: shouldn't they ?!
mircea_popescu: this is the libertard verbiage as to why king abolished proper title. "the drunkard nobles wanted to be able to sell!!1"
decimation: and residents about the lack of property maintenance on many rental properties...blah blah"
assbot: Rental Property Ordinances and Inspections What is the Rental Housing Inspection Program? The program is based on an ordinance w ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymZX5X )
decimation: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vU6cSmWP1UAJ:www.ci.azusa.ca.us/index.aspx < example "Why does the City have a Rental Inspection Program?For years the City responded to complaints from tenants, other nearby rental property owners,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i only remembered the fl tidbit because paul graham blamed it for 'lack of startup culture in fl'
mircea_popescu: in the constitution no less. interesting.
mircea_popescu: "Article X, Section 4 of the Florida Constitution exempts homestead property from levy and execution by judgment creditors."
mircea_popescu: apparently it just needs to ask for permission (from a usg magistrate - improperly called a judge for the obvious reasons)
asciilifeform: the basic principle of a jail is that it is absurd to reason about 'jailer can do xxx but not yyy to the inmates.' he can always find a way to yyy.
mircea_popescu: he could let someone live there, obviously.
decimation: in practice, if usg wants to move you out of your house, they just freeze your accounts and bleed you with fines
asciilifeform: (fl, a few others)
mircea_popescu: ildlike curiosity is channel surfing and the ten-second sound bite."
mircea_popescu: "Now we can address the contention that children are innately curious. They are not in the sense used here - they are tinkerers. The commonplace observation that children have short attention spans is direct refutation of the notion that they are creative and curious in any deep sense. The tragedy of our society is not that so many people outgrow their childlike curiosity, but that so few do. The adult equivalent of ch
decimation: asciilifeform: ah, the 'gotenna' uses MURS http://www.radioworld.com/TabId/64/Default.aspx?ArticleId=271827
mircea_popescu: "but he made a blog post laughing at us for it" "oh... ok then!"
asciilifeform: (leaving deliberately aside the question of how a full-time slave is to create 'unaccounted revenue' worth mentioning)
asciilifeform: and spend on 100kg instead of 10kg of potato at the market ?
asciilifeform: half the folks i work with, iirc, don't have - ever had - passports.