lobbes: well, I wouldn't be offended if I was being criticized. Rather, that's why I like it here
lobbes: so perhaps not the same at all
lobbes: again, I'm not talking $61 to $6 here, rather 85 to maybe 58
nubbins`: i'm serious: <+nubbins`> lobbes truly foolhardy is the man to whom i serve as an example
mircea_popescu: "this could not possibly be a dumb idea - look! others are doing it too!"
nubbins`: lobbes truly foolhardy is the man to whom i serve as an example
nubbins`: if i worked in a cubicle, the last thing i would do is buy a pogo and mess with it
nubbins`: not at all. the world's my oyster.
adlai: mircea_popescu: actually a control-typo triggered it, and i decided to learn from the happy accident :)
nubbins`: you know when i was an office-man, i'd struggle whether to get out of bed every. single. morning.
pete_dushenski: so much for that theory
adlai: tangentially related: though increasing the font size of my console has reduced the number of characters on my screen, it has greatly increased my quality-of-reading
mircea_popescu: yes, but that's what he means by "theoretical physicist"
mircea_popescu: well in that manner, becoming a slave is the easiest way to increase quality of life.
adlai: dropping meaningless metrics is the easiest way to increase quality of life
nubbins`: the only ones that matter, yep
mircea_popescu: using the same metrics ?
mircea_popescu: kinda how the soviets failed, people went "eh why bother, they gotta pay me anyway, and i don't make anything out of iteither way"
mircea_popescu: not everything's insurable nubbins`. specifically : insurance works for individuals. i was discussing the country/western world.
adlai also wonders wo what degree nubbins` has "gone galt", perhaps without being consciously aware of the concept
mircea_popescu: on average, if you average them, per capita debt about 1k, per capita income about 5k, hopefully there isn't a fire.
mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw i suppose your situation is exactly typical of "the civilised world".
nubbins`: 5-year term's up next summer so i'll prolly pop a couple tens of k down on the principal then
nubbins`: if you have 25 pairs of red shoes and nowhere to put them, maybe a shoe rack isn't the right answer?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski he sells used chicken fingers to make up the diff.
nubbins`: and i spend my days not holding my nose to the grindstone, but dicking around on irc and puttering in my basement
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i mean they also happened in daytime, you know, cause the shops are closed at night. so daytime causes it ? meh.
nubbins`: i owe the bank $190,000 and i made $6,000 in 2013
nubbins`: the only thing that'll make alf walk away is alf
nubbins`: put another way, nothing i say will make alf walk away
adlai: nubbins`: well you can have all the right puzzle pieces on the table, yet not see the picture
mircea_popescu: but i still think it's at best wrong to imagine "the discussion did it"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` to the degree that one's action is prevented by organised debris in his head, then this process may clear a path he can finally act upon
adlai thinks the issue at hand relates more to basic axioms arising from one's own life, rather than words
nubbins`: one day, in the distant future, i'll say something to alf and it'll make all what i have previously said fall into place
nubbins`: "If we manage to set aside the fantasy of the General Assembly and replace it with an assembly of presences, if we manage to foil the constantly renewed temptation of hegemony, if we stop making the decision our final aim, then there is a chance for a kind of massification, one of those moments of collective crystallization where a decision suddenly takes hold of beings, completely or only in part."
nubbins`: adlai if all your goods that matter aren't with you, when you stand naked and alone, then you're in a pretty bad way.
pete_dushenski: but nor are forums the only, well, forum for discussion
mircea_popescu: which is just another way of saying that "talking about bitcoin doesn't make you part of bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski if someone's ready to i dunno, buy a new car, then he has specific questions which a forum might answer, and he's buying cart with our without forum. so forum didn't DO anything.
adlai: but srsly, read the links. it's a one paragraph story
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: aha. more a property of the observer
nubbins`: constantly renewed temptation of hegemony, if we stop making the decision our final aim, then there is a chance for a kind of massification, one of those moments of collective crystallization where a decision suddenly takes hold of beings, completely or only in part."
nubbins`: but of liberating the speech, gestures, and interplay of beings that take place within them. We just have to see that each person comes to an assembly not only with a point of view or a motion, but with desires, attachments, capacities, forces, sadnesses and a certain disposition toward others, an openness. If we manage to set aside the fantasy of the General Assembly and replace it with an assembly of presences, if we manage to foil the
nubbins`: "The need to assemble is as constant among humans as the necessity of making decisions is rare. Assembling corresponds to the joy of feeling a common power. Decisions are vital only in emergency situations, where the exercise of democracy is already compromised. The rest of the time, “the democratic character of decision making” is only a problem for the fanatics of process. It’s not a matter of critiquing assemblies or abandoning them,
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski being persuasive is like being tasteful. not a property of the painting.
mircea_popescu: hey, i used to write great novels, but then i got promoted and now im doing 6 teasy metaphores an hour!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` all about how and why would one go in the water, whether there's breathing, ample considerations.
mircea_popescu: and they had this conversation which went on for a while.
mircea_popescu: so listen, i was once with like half a dozen teensy chicks by the side of a pool, and some were in the water and some were on the chairs.
nubbins`: question was "how do i stop giving rimjob to the man"
mircea_popescu: so stop asking the esteemed channel trick questionz.
mircea_popescu: which should explain why people don't particularly wanna say anything on the topic. how the hell does one even know ?
mircea_popescu: which then paid off when you went and fucked with installing pogoshits
nubbins`: you may be thinking of the time where i went on about how little money i need to make in order to get by
mircea_popescu: nubbins` honestly i thought you were kinda dumb for the entire interval, but in a reserved sort of way.
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> now, at this point, i'd like to take the opportunity to inquire as to what the general consensus is, among those present, regarding my intelligence, wisdom, and overall sensibility
adlai: so your driftwood is tied to the megasteamer
nubbins`: paid-up? the bank owns this house, buddy
asciilifeform: nubbins`: you did mention a paid-up house. so whatever the intelligence and wisdom, nubbins` is rich
mircea_popescu: nubbins` discussions on teh side of the pool.
nubbins`: now, at this point, i'd like to take the opportunity to inquire as to what the general consensus is, among those present, regarding my intelligence, wisdom, and overall sensibility
adlai: nubbins` seems content to swim, or clutch driftwood, after taking the hatchet to his yacht
mircea_popescu: cuz 598986907 years ago, hunter went into the forest, whereas woman only moved fat butt from current bush she plucked once someone found a new bush
mircea_popescu: the answer in his head, prolly, was "to be replaced with what"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the ancient discussion with TaT re women. "do you like her ? if not, get rid of her"
nubbins`: this came with the "huge" salary of $61,000 per annum
adlai: "opiate of the masses" is not a diss
asciilifeform: did i misunderstand the implication
asciilifeform: nubbins`: walking away with a zippo tossed over shoulder is the only way to find out.
asciilifeform: welcome to being the greeks, who had spiffy thought but no engineering to speak of.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his point, so far as i can surmise, is 'be theoretical physicist'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: again the lsd
asciilifeform: it is not why anyone gets the gasenwagen
nubbins`: i'd also advance the opinion that one does not know quite how much one can change until one is forced to do so. while this may seem incredibly foolhardy (so much so that most people never try it), walking away with a zippo tossed over shoulder is the only way to find out.
asciilifeform: including the ninjasp4mz0rz
asciilifeform: adlai: everyone who reads the log, 'knows too much'
mircea_popescu: without that, there'd be no literature.
mircea_popescu: yes, but the fictitious game of "may be" is by definition going to provide any anwer you seek.
adlai: the highest bidder's exit from the auction, for reasons ranging from death to bankruptcy, doesn't mean that others aren't waiting to take his place
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the long-term question is 'can i do something with it and continue to eat.' if fiat world turns sufficiently hostile, the answer, simply based on my pre-existing work here, may be a 'no.'
nubbins`: which puts you (a) far ahead of most of the pack and (b) in a position to, y'know... walk away and start over whenever you like
nubbins`: the slightly less saucy reply is that you didn't learn "to do x", you learned "how to learn"
mircea_popescu: if the answer's no, then you've got yourself a social study. if the answer's yes, more power to ya.
mircea_popescu: it involves an answer to the very simple q : "can you do something with it ?"
nubbins`: asciilifeform you won't get me to admit that learning things is a waste. so the facile reply is a flat-out no
mircea_popescu: this does not involve finding the officer of serenissima hr.
mircea_popescu: there's a very simple heuristic to evaluate whether you're currently developing or whether you historically developped skills teh most serene republic has a need of.
asciilifeform: i'd like to see the logical end for it
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 18:05:42; mircea_popescu: ascii_field so this would be in demand either a) by the nsa or else b) independent work a la s.nsa
nubbins`: asciilifeform an honest take will require a bit of time, but if you've got the ears...
nubbins`: the prize for "most interesting line of work about which we know almost nothing" goes to...
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'd like to hear honest take from you, on this matter. would you say that the 20 years i spent learning to do what i do, since was a boy, a waste, like career of a bureaucrat? or does serenissima world have some use for the type of thing that i do.
nubbins`: the cheap icky you're referring to is PVA
nubbins`: twist: your across-the-street-neighbour did same
adlai: water dissolves glue (at least, the cheap icky "white glue" stuff); ie, say asciilifeform is part of the glued idiot mass... as it begins to implode/dissolve/etc, folks find themselves increasingly less glued
nubbins`: asciilifeform if i can navigate the dark markets, so can you!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: share the lsd ?
nubbins`: you don't always realize who you're glued to until the water gets above a certain level
mircea_popescu: ok so then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i haven't even envisioned solution to the problem of escaping the event horizon of the black hole resulting from the idiot's implosion
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can build all your factories you want once the idiot in the room (made out of a bunch of idiots glued to each other) is dead.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the partizan armies of iraq, afghan, etc. are like zoo cats
nubbins`: because they're supplied externally by teat
asciilifeform: it is not a closed system, to use thermodynamic parlance
mircea_popescu: i recall this point where some derpy agent swore before the court he used excel spreadsheets to rape a db
asciilifeform: they are supplied externally by mega-empire(s)
asciilifeform: yes, mujahedeen don't hold territory, etc. BUT THEY DON'T NEED TO BUILD FACTORIES
adlai: "These techniques were developed around the principle of using an attacker's energy against him, rather than directly opposing it."
nubbins`: (s.korean soldiers -- all of them -- have blackbelt in taekwondo. to what end?)
adlai: well, there's defending the self, and there's defending increasingly expanded notions of "self", until it morphes into yet another "sovereign"
asciilifeform: nubbins`: in mircea_popescu's world, as i understand, every soldier is naked but for his parachute, and ought to take what he needs from the locals
asciilifeform: but even from the standpoint of 'i only wish to destroy the lizards' it does not make sense to disperse into atomized diversantes
mircea_popescu: what exactly is the point of defending anything ?
asciilifeform: adlai: mircea_popescu does not appear to be interested in defending anything (other than own house)
adlai: yet you'd disperse the red army? sure, disperse the offense, but how do you defend geography with individual saboteurs everywhere?
asciilifeform: i can see the perspective that 'two or more #b-a folks in a room is a target' but by that logic we ought not have conferences, no ?
asciilifeform: i must disagree with the notion that defending a spot of geography, small and purposeful, is inescapably retarded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im quite unconvinced of the latter. and the former reduces to... what exactly, "not everyone has the biography and talents of a computer user, windows plox" ?
adlai: the trouble there is that you need to first have & enter trenches, for such chatter to happen
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fact is, not everyone has the biography, talents, and education of a self-funding deep-cover operative; and physical sovereignty has its uses. it would not take very many 'don dunphy'ings to make #b-a very empty other than for mircea_popescu..
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you feel altogether silly doing it ?
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, 4chan and the internets have blown what looks like a permanent hole in the sort of deffective mental processes that are required for "patriotism" or whatever the pink-bellied shit involved in wwX was.
mircea_popescu: i personally can't quite see how i'd manage to motivate myself to participate in yet another "we good they bad fight for great justic!!1" conflict.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you appreciate how the task to defeat germany3 is quite different from what we're doing here ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well in the abstract it is dificult to evaluate. what exactly would be the task fo this red army ?
asciilifeform: (yes, aware that we had the 'semiconductor cuckoldry' discussion. it is nonsense if you are contemplating making something genuinely unique)
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as physical resources that are 1) concentrated spatially and 2) too unique to hijack like a vine hijacks tree.
asciilifeform wonders what mircea_popescu would do if put in command of the red army. imagines that he would order it to disperse, with no more than one man per square km, and operate only as saboteur groups.
asciilifeform: with actual nuclear sovereignty over some geography or other
mircea_popescu: o no wait it wasn't you, some other guy was making dire warnings about how teligent mit is
mats: soo many flying machines reliant on arduinos and other garbage
mats: fwiw the MIT undergrad exhibit was horrible
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... looky here, I have no doubt i could probably pass some "new bitcoin country" real estate scam or other. i do not wish to. this, deliberately, and upon consideration, and against what random idiot may interpret as my patrimonial interest. << leads into the mega-question - what is the opposite of a real estate scam? or is this like the maxwellian hypothetical 'monopole magnet', where you have a mystery alien
nubbins`: like, they just got their knee kicked out by an angry horse, but if a lens swivelled their way, they'd muster up a winning smile?
nubbins`: "Her latest projects consist of the creation of Tatiana Coin, the first ever artist cryptocurrency" WHAT ABOUT COINYE WEST?!
nubbins`: my goodness, another gallippi
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:he wasn't looking for any answer. he was trying to shoehorn disorganised remains of broken history into the future. as he keeps trying to do this he'll figure it out. <<< "you can't bribe the future with nostalgia"
nubbins`: there was one comment in the code for notepad.exe: /* is this even supposed to be here? */
nubbins`: asciilifeform:mentioned that 'computers were stolen, no sign of break-in, perhaps insider' <<< alf, the lizards struck the wrong house! did you replace your locks?
mats: 6:50:29 <+mircea_popescu> since mats brought it up : yeah, currently people can't audit bitbet's reserves. this is unfortunate, but i'm not going to do anything about it. << i was going a bit crazy auditing the code, thought id bungled it somehow
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 05:24:05; pete_dushenski: no more does the term mean 'cultured' or 'worldly' it seems
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100590 << im not aware at any point the term meant cultured or wordly for anyone. perhaps as an insider thing, like people in daytime tv drama for young women seem to think this about themselves ?
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 05:19:55; pete_dushenski: http://www.timesofisrael.com/is-supporters-post-cartoon-depicting-obama-beheading/ << and it looks like isis beat la serenissima to the punch!
mircea_popescu: alf : he just wants to hook up with local whores from the convenience of his own home. internets ftw!
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 04:06:20; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell chetty i'd be much obliged if you could procure me a phone and a sim - the cheapest that makes and receives calls will be more than adequate
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 03:54:56; asciilifeform: trinque: we have (for the most part) burglars here, rather than robbers. they wait until owner is out.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100530 << on which line, trinque you'd seriously shoot a burglar ? and i don't mean shoot them in the head, just, one to the kneecap for good measure. seems to me woefully excessive. the... only time i was in a situation of that nature the dudes beat the shit out of the guy and i thought it was excessive even for the time and place.
mircea_popescu: yes, i may consider young females for education, but that is neither here nor there. i did that before bitcoin, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100504 << looky here, I have no doubt i could probably pass some "new bitcoin country" real estate scam or other. i do not wish to. this, deliberately, and upon consideration, and against what random idiot may interpret as my patrimonial interest.
mircea_popescu: but i must say he's like the cutest one to date.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 03:39:56; asciilifeform: methinks felipelalli is expressing the traditional frustration of the 3 to 6 month n00b to #b-a:
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100488 << well, come to the conference next year, some people will know you.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100481 << the solution is probably to move your day-to-day.
mircea_popescu: i like the way this guy selects tasks for himself.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 03:29:48; felipelalli: trinque: I know that. I am trying to convince the Brazilian community move to here, but it is being hard. The main community is still on Facebook.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne yes, it would be. it'd make it possible to be wrong, and then guilty. which is the main reason the law as a construct even exists : save people that.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100467 << your motivations do not matter. not in this case, not in any other case.
williamdunne: It would be tragic if they had to do some thinking
mircea_popescu: but hey, it's emotionally cheaper for them.
williamdunne: not to mention that the jury almost always considers law over morality
mircea_popescu: "tax the rich so you can clean up the mess we made! of this sidewalk and of our lives!"
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, imagine how the place looked after ows was done with it ? all the discarded packaging etc ? this was supposedly a group of civically-minded folks.
mircea_popescu: but see, the same people who can't be bothered to crypto anything... can't be bothered to nullify anything either. too much work.
chetty: one of the good reasons for jury hasn't really been used ...nullification of bad law
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:57:55; asciilifeform: medieval juries also did not concern themselves with day-to-day idiocies.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100452 << they were also how salem witch trials happened. actually, their reliable idiocy is why no noble would have EVER considered either submitting to such a jury, or condemning another noble.
mircea_popescu: "the only reason you want the jury is because you hope to trick it with things a judge wouldn't fall for."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100440 << amusingly enough in japan jury trials were (and perhaps still to some degree are) very dimly regarded. people thought that someone willing to cast his fortune on the disinterested call of a dozen uninformed people rather than have a specialist handle it could not possibly have any sort of case.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:48:26; decimation: what's a jury trial other than having your wot judge your actions?
mircea_popescu: in fact, the ability of a user to create pseudo-trust out of nothing, just like the "ability" of a perpetuum mobile to extract energy out of the void, just like the "ability" of a government to print money are the same thing, really : the degrading macula of subhumanity.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:46:21; asciilifeform: in much the same way, you cannot extract trustworthiness from the aether
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100429 << quite. i suppose the trust <=> energy analogy is pretty good. trust is also in a very similar relation to sound money, ie, sure "people" (subhumans, really) can "create trust out of nothing". this is about as relevant to actual trust as freshly printed usd are to money.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100418 << if this works, the reputation was incorrectly trusted.
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, this has become the surogate closure for the internet horde, "o no, here is his real name". mmmkay...
mircea_popescu: " Especially in Brazil where there are many scammers that exposes all of your personal life, and we know their real names, their documents etc." << aaaand this isn't indication that it really doesn't work ?
mircea_popescu: actually, it seems to be resolving. that was a very spooky 5 minutes up there.
mircea_popescu: i see subsets of dozens of otherwise well connected nodes not knowing of txn back and forth
mircea_popescu: still, the mempool is split or something.
mircea_popescu: oook there's some massive forkage going on
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100378 << morally neutral god of all knowledge ? interesting, incidentally, that the price the various jewish groups (including xtians) had to pay for the "church-state" frankenstein was overloading the correct notion of god with the notion of a "correct" god. only once god knew all AND GAVE A SHIT ABOUT THE KING'S WILL was there to be mandatory churchgoing and burning of
mircea_popescu: then i'd throw up, likely, because fucking hell now i have to reconsider the "no universal human quality" pillar of thought.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:25:49; asciilifeform: sadly, i suspect that even a thousand threads like this one will not suffice in hammering the point home to the thickest
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100361 << i would be really scared if one day i woke up in a world where "everyone" understood anything. even the most minute, basic point.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:20:06; decimation: asciilifeform: note that zimmerman is largely trading on his rep 'earned' during the 'crypto wars'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100337 << my face dropped when i read some piece of his (a year or two before becoming a speaking head for the govt) when he was going "oh, i lost my original pgp key long ago, it's too hard to use hurr durr"
mircea_popescu: the idea that you even care about "alt identities" is pure totalitarianism, about on the level of a "forum mod" trying to "enforce forum rules" with "bans". rank nonsense. the way it goes is the other way : only let people in that have a business in.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, it's easy to maintain sole access over an identity, and pointless to discuss whether that is your only identity.
williamdunne: Sure, and I think he discovered that from the conversation
mircea_popescu: he wasn't looking for any answer. he was trying to shoehorn disorganised remains of broken history into the future. as he keeps trying to do this he'll figure it out.
williamdunne: While I understand the point you're trying to make, I don't think that was the answer he was looking for
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:18:16; asciilifeform: as the 'ban' thing unfolds, honeypots like zimmerman's which specifically sell on the point of 'l337 d00dz against nsa' will either a) quietly fade away b) somehow continue in what they presently are, in spite of supposed 'bans'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100329 << yeah, because mysteriously o'brien is where you go for the supersikrit goldstein biography. logic.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:17:36; williamdunne: felipelalli: Not sure if its a good idea or not at this point, but interesting to think about. Very hard to prove we are the sole instance of ourselves
mircea_popescu: it can make all the passports it wants, ima credit someone on the basis of that as much as i'd credit someone presenting a reader's digest letter.
mircea_popescu: declarations of pretenders to sovereignity like the brazilian government matter... to it. not to me.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:15:38; felipelalli: asciilifeform: thank you, good point, but it could be offset with the WoT where the ability to analyze a real document would be taken into account. williamdunne thank you! Nice to hear that! I was thinking about it for days! Do you know who are working on similar standard?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100317 << there is no such thing as a "real" document. the reason it's a document in the first palce is BECAUSE ITS NOT REAL. it's a convention!
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:11:38; asciilifeform: (do you know what it costs to advertise in every single car of the d.c. subway?)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100298 << you mean, what'd they defraud you out of ? or what it actually costs ?
mircea_popescu: and yes, sucks for the remnant of teh middle class, obviously. which, i suppose, is a good summary of a large chunk of "what to do" discussions here.
mircea_popescu: "nobody on easter island realised that if we cut down all the trees on easter island there won't be anyting left, on easter island".
mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that as the socialism progresses, the middle class dies out. because socialism is societal cancer, it just burns the fat and dies.
mircea_popescu: usg went in the middle and lost, there being no middle. but this is funny, psychologically, because : all socialisms always live by fleecing the middle class. for all the verbiage, it's the "kulak" that supported the soviets, not the filthy rich capitalist dudes.
mircea_popescu: the people who are incompetent also never cared what the usg was putting out, and have and use convenient solutions that mostly also don't involve it
mircea_popescu: meanwhile : the people who are competent never cared what the usg was putting out, and have and use functional solutions that don't involve it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100283 << the odd reason being that the whole fucking plan was stupid to begin with ? it relied on the insane theory that everyone's the intellectual captive of the usg dreamsilk.
mircea_popescu: "In this case, the U.S. Attorney, while castigating politicians in Albany for playing fast and loose with the ethical rules that govern their conduct, strayed so close to the edge of the rules governing his own conduct that Defendant Sheldon Silver has a non-frivolous argument that he fell over the edge to the Defendants prejudice."
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:00:37; asciilifeform: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099925 << do i need to explain what the resurrection of 'key escrow' idiocy from '90s (clinton's! to go right along with the new clinton!) means from the meta-nsa school of thought? or is it already obvious to aficionados
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100266 << no, it's obvious. it's also obvious that they're not getting it.
pete_dushenski: or mebbe it never did, at least not for the less refined desert tribes.
pete_dushenski: no more does the term mean 'cultured' or 'worldly' it seems
pete_dushenski: which, if he's the mule of socialism, and of the braindamaged jewry extant after that most abysmal intellectual 'cleansing', i can sorta see it
assbot: IS supporters post cartoon depicting Obama beheading | The Times of Israel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIWhXg )
pete_dushenski: http://www.timesofisrael.com/is-supporters-post-cartoon-depicting-obama-beheading/ << and it looks like isis beat la serenissima to the punch!
pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/04/olivier-janssens-bitcoin-floundation-out-of-money-hates-transparency/#comment-18066 << for those interested in following the latest victim of my and mp's vitriol.
decimation: no, it's behind the fake rock
asciilifeform: friends were right in the airport, waving
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell chetty i'd be much obliged if you could procure me a phone and a sim - the cheapest that makes and receives calls will be more than adequate
asciilifeform: the fella i'm renting from now, lives on opposite end of continent, and never comes here. he will only bill for holes etc. if next tenant complains about them
asciilifeform: which is to say, if you build a $widget into the house and then tear it out, and leave holes, he can charge you a nominal cost of cement for the holes.
asciilifeform: decimation: very easy, actually, but most contracts around here demand that you give 'improvements' to the landlord for free
decimation: asciilifeform: one problem with renting is that it is difficult to modify the house for security systems
asciilifeform: decimation: it is traditional in these parts
decimation: asciilifeform: well I would give the cop credit, at least he knocked on door and said something
asciilifeform: incidentally, now is the time when i say, to interested readers, that i do not presently consider myself qualified to build a bitcoin 'wallet.' not because i do not understand how they must work at least as well as anyone else - but because of the 'skin in the game' problem.