trinque: take the example in the logs above, asciilifeform is using an alternate nick while traveling, and it appears someone decided to spoof as him
trinque: Citizenfive: I don't think off-the-record is what's wanted here
trinque: Citizenfive: read the spec?
Citizenfive: A properly-done "better IRC" would pretty much fix most objections I have with the current WoT, btw
trinque: if it passes messages between nodes as described, and does that perfectly, that's a fantastic place to stop, then build separate things which make use of that
williamdunne: trinque: Maybe, if it works well then awesome. Will be a great thing. But seems like it could end up more hassle than it is worth
williamdunne: danielpbarron: What reason would that matter in particular? All our messages are public anyway. I doubt your OS was written exclusively by a member of the WoT (even if you did compile it yourself)
trinque: williamdunne: tangentially related it was rather trivial to make point-to-point chat with gpg, awk and netcat
trinque: you could probably make something that was sort of like the proposal by cramming all the traffic, both gossip and direct messages through pm
trinque: williamdunne: what's the thought there, that the messages within the IRC protocol would be GPG messages?
williamdunne: Could many of the same goals not be achieved by just integrating GPG into IRC?
williamdunne: Read over the idea
trinque: williamdunne: good thread in the comments
trinque: williamdunne: of course, I'm asking a more fundamental question about "why the hell still mostly centralized services using HTTP"
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Plenty of things law enforcement can use to leverage Theymos, most prominently the GLBSE shennanigans
williamdunne: cazalla: If he didn't comply straight away, it would still end up with them threatening him personally. I would do exactly the same if I was in the US. Best not to mess with the guys with guns
trinque: the idea that a forum is something which is hosted in one particular place instead of distributed among its members is absurd
cazalla: williamdunne, no doubt he's in a difficult situation but with the last one, he wasn't even going to mention anything and had to be convinced to provide additional information to the public if memory serves
williamdunne: (That is not to say that the action is just, just should have been predicted)
williamdunne: If you send messages in cleartext on a forum run in the US, I'm not sure what more can be expected
williamdunne: Operated by someone in the US, its self-preservation on his part to comply
williamdunne: Out of all the derp that goes on, on bitcointalk, that seems to be completely sane
trinque: lol, extra points for the stripper name
williamdunne: In reality they only have one dog
Citizenfive: whatever I write here was indeed *probably* the same persona. At this very second that is less certain than it will be, from a Bayesian perspective, as time goes on and Twitter C5 behaves normally. Make sense?
Citizenfive: Yes. The above link from Twitter, if you think about it, is stonger evidence that I am at least the same persona as was using that account earlier today, than anything I could present you with GPG over these channels. And, presumably, if Twitter C5's personality does not change or claim "omg HAX!" in a few hours or days, you can be comfortable that
williamdunne: Citizenfive: Lets be honest, the biggest issue was OpSec
Citizenfive: Most of the time, I'd prefer to leave open strong possibility that me today is not me tomorrow. But I'm not here to lecture on the merits and foibles of specific cryptosuites. I'll use what I need. :)
Citizenfive: Cryptographically tying writing to an identity — if only probabilistically, something sadly not often considered either — is a double-edged sword.
Citizenfive: It's a possibility. Neither denial nor confirmation would accomplish much here.
BingoBoingo: Citizenfive: Not too much. Are you the one who leaked the Drone chart at Rammstein to Greenwald?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: i should say "centralised ideas" are the point of contention
pete_dushenski: associations: it may not be historicist, like the postmodern architecture of the neo-liberal turn in the 1980s, but rather its anaesthetized formal language is a perfect complement to the hollowed out shell of social democracy."
pete_dushenski: "The high-tech spaces we walk through now are fit only for the smiling ghosts of computer visualizations, a purgatory of ‘aspirational but accessible’ restaurants and bars, ‘media-walls’ and ‘public art’ of unremitting dreariness. Where socialists and radicals could once read within the language of explicit engineering signs of redemption or change, the post High-Tech architecture in our cities has no suc
cazalla: ip is from thailand too, perhaps he hired someone to do pr for him (see all the typos?) seeing his name is linked everywhere with the arrest
cazalla: that atm article BingoBoingo.. few weeks ago we got a comment bitching about my original article but it was on an article not even relevant, i assumed it was someone using a bot to just seo the guys name or something, (you can see it in the trash)
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103404 << that qntra commenter eh. lol so he doesn't understand things so i'm wrong "because reasons" and therefore other things and such.
assbot: The Argyle Sweater Comic Strip, April 14, 2015 on GoComics.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CXcQ1O )
pete_dushenski: http://www.gocomics.com/theargylesweater/2015/04/14#mutable_1286568 << power rangers lulz
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes but what if i wanna advertise my pgp version and its implied affiliations ? also, sorry for skipping your scoop mention in the cavirtex article, it just seemed a little tardy to have mentioned it.
jurov: why? escort won't come to the room?
kakobrekla: fucking around would require leaving the bed
jurov: who? the bolivia one?
trinque: BingoBoingo: anyone figure out whether ascii was fucking around or if that was an actual impersonator?
assbot: We are aware of the issues surrounding today's settlement. Thanks for your patience as we fix the problem. All funds are accounted for.
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
Chillum: I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing
davout: mod6: yep, heading down there now
mod6: aight, im just gonna head down there. c-ya in a bit.
mod6: should I head down to the lobby?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [09:26] and whether ben_vulpes objects or not, i can only see it in terms of "qntra model ruined gawker, because bitcoin is the world eater" << suppose i'll ask over afternoon coffees
ben_vulpes: sosamendez: wincrud was explicitly stripped from the codebase.
mircea_popescu: sosamendez you can compile it if you wish, and sign the copy
mats: Bloomberg down, finance workers shit themselves
funkenstein_: i thought you were talking about the candlestick charts usd/btc
BingoBoingo: I have no sensible explanation for your irc nick then mogreen
BingoBoingo: mogreen: Oh, if I'm talking through a time warp watch out for the massage table and the big wop with the flowerbox.
BingoBoingo: mogreen: Haven't you seen the movie?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You don't understand how fundamentally these services are broken. You can withdraw Bitcents from addresses with hundreds of BTC
cazalla: well your stash must tend towards the millions if this taint is widespread :P
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: For the qntra can you get lots of pictures of groups of the pale devils at BTCAfrica?
fluffypony: the money! she is loose!
fluffypony: "What's more is they laugh about people loosing money."
mircea_popescu: "Have I made mistakes? Yes. Have I owned them? Yes And am I still trying to "
cazalla: punkman, bitcointalk thread references some others but seems deleted or something
mircea_popescu: cazalla yah, nothing to be ashamed of there.
mircea_popescu: the theory being that i am somehow obliged to BELIEVE their pretense, and pay them accordingly. which is why all teh anger when i go "orly, gawker ?"
punkman: cazalla, are there more pics?
mircea_popescu: "for the future".
mircea_popescu: gawker doing exactly the same posturing
punkman: and they aren't even getting paid...
mircea_popescu: well... they ARE part of a scam.
mircea_popescu: punkman the titanic rose before it sunk.
punkman: hah, win "Calling the employers of developers, that are giving their free time to paycoin, to get them fired? Calling and texting the parents of developers to tell them their child is part of scam?"
punkman: mircea_popescu: last big one pushed western part of the island about 10 meters upwards. so more likely to rise than sink.
funkenstein_ sends greetings to all at the b-a mtg in b-a, sends energy to ensure it will b-a success
BingoBoingo: But yes, since the Feds showed up at my door I have done my best to be a complete dick who either controls hundreds of dollars of BTC or hundreds of thousands (maybe millions, I'm an ass like that)
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/YhKUqXu.png a day after the frenchies publish this... http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2013/08/16/des-seismes-sans-precedent-historique-sont-possibles-en-europe_3462489_3244.html
funkenstein_: mind the gap indeed eh?
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Historically the term means something very different than in 20th century English
funkenstein_: re: mind the gap, i am moving out of fiat mordor in a few days
mircea_popescu: everyone trying to foist the actual doing of their actual job on everyone else, it's a thing
felipelalli: lol! they have a "accept of terms" when you create the account something like "please keep it anonymous".
mircea_popescu: "Nobody is seeking to hurt this company, or plunder it for all it's worth, or find a way to attack the people that run it. We're just trying to make it a bit more functional, and a bit more fair."
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: it is also easy to extract all photos from the site, like this one: https://fetlife.com/users/70387/pictures/978791
mircea_popescu: hahaha. if the past 20 years is flourishing, and the current "we don't pay you anything, write for free" thing is good times...
mircea_popescu: "as journalism has moved online and flourished over the past 20 years" "good times (which our company enjoys now), and even more in bad times (which will inevitably come)"
mircea_popescu: and whether ben_vulpes objects or not, i can only see it in terms of "qntra model ruined gawker, because bitcoin is the world eater"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the gawker shit kicks ass.
assbot: Logged on 17-04-2015 06:44:55; Chillum: mircea_popescu: You expressed on interest in my super simple war walking device I am working on. I have made PCB design and ordered 4 prototype boards(only $20): http://images.highinbc.com.s3.amazonaws.com/TinyWar_PCB.png - The circuit basically bridges an ESP8266 ESP-01, a RYN25AI, and 2 AA batteries. The rest is software
BingoBoingo: If I must be minded, why not be the gap?
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: The point is the FBI and Treasury department showed up at my front door. I know full well I am watched. Vehicles park in my neighborhood without known possession. If they will deny me life as such then I will be Xoas, the gap.
mircea_popescu: dude check that out. how do the tasers work, by invoking manna from heaven ?
mircea_popescu: i. The tasering, either in drive stun or probe mode Experts determined that there was insufficient electricity to have caused a heart rhythm disruption in drive stun mode, nor were any pair of probes positioned either side of the heart (as was the case in scholarly articles in which it has been suggested that Taser may have caused ventricular fibrillation)
mircea_popescu: During the inquest, the cause of death was also not determined. Various causes of death were, however, specifically ruled out. These were:
assbot: Fetlife, the meat market on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAxjhL )
felipelalli: cazalla: also here. But you have no idea how much people are killed by police here. If they'd create a new entry on Wikipedia about all cases the Wikipedia would run out of space!! ahhaha
cazalla: felipelalli, it caught a lot of attention in the media here, not sure abroad (although when indian students get bashed/murdered, indian media goes bananas)
felipelalli: cazalla: I said I didn't feel free there in relation to the police/state, only that I could walk at night on street.
cazalla: oh really? queensland is like most racist state in all the lands
assbot: Logged on 17-04-2015 07:26:01; felipelalli: despite all the problems, precisely because it is inefficient and corrupt, I feel more free here than I feel in U.S. (where I went sometimes) or in Australia (where I lived for one year)
funkenstein_: why would anyone care? unspent outputs are unspent outputs, something else going to an address is just another unspent output.
BingoBoingo: Been mixing coins definitely mine by legacy addresses with big wallets and going straight from the big wallets to CoinBase, because fuck it.
BingoBoingo: Oh, I've been gambling on shady books which keep their public wallet addresses big and directly depositing to CoinBase. Contributing to the death of the idea of taint.
BingoBoingo: OH, and since I can't be there, announcement for con 3. Since last con I have abused derp sportsbooks and CoinBase Inc. to taint no less than 750 BTC with my stench.
BingoBoingo: It is, why it fell on the backburner. They've pushed it, but their "values" make things such that the potential audience who could use it is too small.
BingoBoingo: For the drinkingrecord blog I've had a title to write in que on why kinja is a shit proposition for the individual blogger, but... time
mircea_popescu: heh http://andrewdieppa.kinja.com/indecent-exposure-or-the-fetlife-security-hole-1688251638
BingoBoingo: The tldr; situation on Gawker is Denton paid HamNo for too long and now he is focusing all his "pro-labor" effort on unionizing Gawker's editorial staff. No mention that editorial means management and as a rule management doesn't unionize.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: maybe this video can summarize the Brazilian spirit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PjrTOjxjxk
BingoBoingo: Oh, shooting moving targets is the US police greatest pastime
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: I'll send you an email with their contacts.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: I thought it was guaranteed by the constitution.
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: What I mean by "far from arrest" in the US context is that rather than handcuffing a person the prefer to handcuff cadavears
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: it is a good news, isn't it? I know in U.S. you can carry a gun. I was saying here in Brazil. Here you can because the police almost doest not exist, but if you are caught, you'll be arrested.
BingoBoingo: They do indeed do something, but that something is far from arrest...
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Maybe you've been missing the news, but US police don't arrest armed persons very much anymore.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: sure! But if you want I can introduce these two friends to you! One of them didn't like Brazil too much, I guess he already went back to U.S. The other one loves the beach here, but he complain about the insecurity, his house was robbed.
felipelalli: trinque: you can carry also a gun, because the police is almost absent. But you run the risk of being arrested. And you do not want to be arrested here!!
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: I have time, now might not be the right one yet
funkenstein_: and i had to identify them on the map using a javascript phrase like js.equalsVerify("brazil")
funkenstein_: brazil had a really fat part in the south out in front of b.a.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: I have two friends from U.S. living here. Well, at least one. One of them I think already went back to U.S.
funkenstein_: i had a dream about the south american map night before last
felipelalli: I fell more free in relation of the government pressure, but not about the urban violence.
felipelalli: despite all the problems, precisely because it is inefficient and corrupt, I feel more free here than I feel in U.S. (where I went sometimes) or in Australia (where I lived for one year)
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: But with money you can live well here. I like the State of São Paulo, where I live, and I like my city Campinas. There are nice cities around here, like Sorocaba or Águas de São Pedro.
felipelalli: And you can't defend your self because personal weapon is very tackled, both culturally and the by the government.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: well, the Brazil is a very complicated country. We have like 60~70% of taxes, but our government is very corrupt and inefficient. So, the people try to avoid to pay taxes, but some taxes are impossible to avoid. As a reference, you can buy a new March (small car of Nissan) 1.6 here for US$ 13,000.00 and you can't import your old Saturn. Used car import is prohibited. Also, a negative point is the huge urban violence.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The few salaried Gawler folk get scared http://gawker.com/why-weve-decided-to-organize-1698246231
BingoBoingo: I wonder mostly... where do I park the Saturn
BingoBoingo: Like people do in the poorest parts of Asia
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Well, all those ways the US sucks that we don't talk about. Like way too many people I went to school with living in tri-generational homes.
Chillum: This is what I am doing in the mean-time: http://images.highinbc.com.s3.amazonaws.com/TinyWar_Perf.png
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: What virtues would Brazil have to offer a person expatriating the United States of Lulz?
Chillum: mircea_popescu: You expressed on interest in my super simple war walking device I am working on. I have made PCB design and ordered 4 prototype boards(only $20): http://images.highinbc.com.s3.amazonaws.com/TinyWar_PCB.png - The circuit basically bridges an ESP8266 ESP-01, a RYN25AI, and 2 AA batteries. The rest is software
BingoBoingo: ascii_orc: But how is the steak?
ascii_orc: http://trilema.com/2015/random-weird-shit-2/ << obligatory su lul: '— one day, shell landed in a trench. all the men went up. at the end of the day, we turned up an arse and a set of limbs, no head, no torso. — what did you do? — if the head had turned up, it could be a man again. but naturally - it is top brass now. what else.'
ascii_orc: 'I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.' (TM)
assbot: Biggest news today in the /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash space by a mile. itBit landed none other then Sheila Blaire for their board! http://t.co/fn5VA2XdFx
ascii_orc: ben_vulpes et al will ask my meatbag the next day, aha
BingoBoingo: I mean it i only the second big time insiders decided to leak qntra first, because qntra respects leaks
ascii_on_tour: liquidassets: l0l aha they are here.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But it's the big exposure of Qntra's follow up to BitPay 9 layoff forbes is trying to steal
liquidassets: pogoplug I thought no such bought them all
mircea_popescu: plox stop linking reddit, we're slashdotting them.
liquidassets: can anyone tell me if this VPN is something I don't want to use? I found this green gorilla thing next to the freenode login from #b-a's main page. Thought it was the cloak I was looking for. Don't believe it is as it's made logging into Thunderbird and Craigslist impossible without turning it off
ascii_on_tour: connected to access point across the street
assbot: OH: “If you are the crazy shotgun guy and people want to test you then you just arent crazy enough."
ascii_on_tour: mega-chick also, in the photo
ascii_on_tour knew, even knew of the gzip paper
mircea_popescu: like they are on every other meaningless (and so thereforee unverifiable) distinction
liquidassets: the one I originally wanted to use before I lost my password, or stopped working, or got ddosed...
ascii_on_tour: 'was shakespeare written by shakespeare, or other man of that name' (™) (R)
liquidassets: can't get the hang of gpg...more reading
mircea_popescu: o wow. it must be that i'm fucking with you then :D
mircea_popescu: i dunno, it's in the email you sent me ?
liquidassets: thanks mp you're the man
mircea_popescu: ascii_on_tour so what is this zblatnik thing then ?
ascii_on_tour: still there as far as i can tell.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_on_tour> ergo if i give the launch codes now - take a minute to think << you don't understand how launching works.
ascii_on_tour: because thought was walking on moebius strip or the like.
ascii_on_tour: no i just grabbed hold of the door handle when it went
ben_vulpes: i was planning to actually jump in front of the next one too, aha
ascii_on_tour: ben_vulpes: i did figure out how to work the cabs
ben_vulpes: clouds don't really have a lot of water in them
ascii_on_tour: said the shannonizer.
ascii_on_tour: ergo if i give the launch codes now - take a minute to think
ascii_on_tour: though good live fire test for the whole concept
BingoBoingo: The Jordan dude was a one and done
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Earlier than klye, for the buttcointalk thread up "Jordan"
ben_vulpes: ascii_orc: did you reabsorb all the water you lost today?
assbot: Logged on 17-04-2015 03:11:16; jayk: yeah ive noticed lots of company have taken a hit over the last 12 months
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Gotta appreciate the dedication
ben_vulpes: it is the verboten handle!
williamdunne: Oh hang on, its not. Its a talker just re-read the mpoe-pr
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: The world may never know
gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; what is in the mind of r/buttcoin? - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=727776.0>; NEXT: 26-07-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014>
BingoBoingo: ;;google they really are buttcoins nao
ben_vulpes: dude mircea_popescu i just overflowed the calculator on this pnhoe
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: The Trilema CSS has been by MP's declaration constant for years nao. Maybe your Firecox updated to solve the regression?
mircea_popescu: but maybe they buy a nascar stadium. it'll be good for bitcoin (fm)
assbot: Logged on 16-04-2015 20:48:37; williamdunne: Which derp is responsible for marketing at Quadriga CX, and why are they wasting money advertising their Canadian exchange to someone in the UK.
williamdunne: Yeah I have no clue what happened there
williamdunne: Interesting, can't replicate the issue
mircea_popescu: williamdunne how do you mean ? it's only defined as #mask_head_ie{position:relative; for ie, are you on ie and they changed how they break css meanwhile ?
williamdunne: jayk: Hard industry. Year is a long time here. I'm probably not the best person to introduce you though as I am new myself
jayk: yeah ive noticed lots of company have taken a hit over the last 12 months
williamdunne: jayk: Anyhow, what made you come back after these years?
williamdunne: Your reputation in the WoT here is essentially your entire value
williamdunne: There you go
williamdunne: There you go
jayk: ther eit is
assbot: Key 84D27F50 / "Jeremy Koski (If I'm Not Me I'd Sure Like To Know Who The Hell Is!) <jsk1978@gmail.com>" successfully imported.
williamdunne: Remove the spaces
williamdunne: Now do !register yourgpgfingerprinthere
trinque: ye gods the shitposting
williamdunne: gribble: should add the same trigger so we get a nice loop. That would be amazing
williamdunne: so that is the trigger word, should have guessed that.
williamdunne: sickboy: Hello SickBoy, how did you come about these parts?
williamdunne: Watching some show about drug enforcement, the woman is quite insufferable. They keep discussing how dangerous drugs are and talking through how some of the worst things happened like cutting etc and each and every time it has been some sort of government action. Still can't put one plus one together.
BingoBoingo: Anyways back then it was like making $80 on $5
BingoBoingo: It was. Seals for a brief period of time was a fun frontier shithole. Then Bitcoin went up and... Suddenly it wasn't the frontier no more.
BingoBoingo: Later... Empty tables... Tables nowhere near full... Some stakes not being plaid at all. The generous marks replaced by botters not given to trashtalk.
BingoBoingo: Early on after I discovered it full or near full tables at any stakes, sometimes long but reasonable wait times. Some of the dumbest people would play any stakes giving a reasonable chance to make some bank. One night drinking with some friends they wanted to see Bitcoin Gambling and I acidentalied my way from 0.25 BTC to 4BTC on seals in about 45 minutes. Cjust changing stakes as I had the bankroll to do so.
BingoBoingo: Well sucks compared to my early experiences with the platform.
BingoBoingo: Back in early 2013 you could find tables full of people who weren't botting or otherwise engaging in computer assisted play.
williamdunne: Wonder what the userbase size would be for that..
williamdunne: Seemed roughly equivalent to MPs response to the SEC
williamdunne: I've never used it, but I appreciated what the owner did
SquirtPrincess: had to buy another 0.35 that day