mircea_popescu: the bait and switch thing here is that the "modified thing" can only exist by itself, so it really needs us to you know, give up on bitcoin proper.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> every large enough operation has this set of accounts that are below water - cost more to service than they're worth. which is why fiat banks are charging per account << myeah i got some of these
mircea_popescu: the truth is that for about half of the us, the marginal benefit of spending another 1k per capita on their health is unrecoverable, as they won't produce in excess of that 1k. ever.
mircea_popescu: every large enough operation has this set of accounts that are below water - cost more to service than they're worth. which is why fiat banks are charging per account
mircea_popescu: there's no value "collectively". there seems to be, currently, because the usg / ag etc are propping them up on borrowed money.
williamdunne: Yeah, but that one guy isn't going to be betting all his money on Just-Dice, collectively there is a lot of value to exploit
mircea_popescu: we have this situation right now in argentina, for instance, and there's 40mn of em derps.
mircea_popescu: there isn't.
mircea_popescu: because you imagine there's an intrinsic minimum value for "human beings"
mircea_popescu: which is why clubs have those big guys at the door.
mircea_popescu: no, there won't be. it will be a bunch of fucktarded dudebros, that aren't even legal to drink.
mircea_popescu: yeah, in return "but there could be cute girls"
lobbes: but it isn't the currency that makes your business profitable
williamdunne: But in return you have more potential users of your XYZ business, and more potential to operate profitable businesses that are less-than-possible in the fiat world
mircea_popescu: it's worse, because a) every party participant is stuck b) keeping ~complete~ records of the whole thing c) forever. it's not just a process thing like the party. it's that you have to write their noiise down, and pay for warehouses.
williamdunne: Because I don't have to talk to everyone using bitcoin at the same time nor put up with their noise (in particular, anyway)
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: That seems counter-intuitive, I'm not trying to over-value the poor and stupid here.
mircea_popescu: adding more people, especially if adding more people SELECTED by the criteria that "they are poor, stupid and usleess enough to need to be added specifically" is a recipe for making your thing worth less.
mircea_popescu: it's nto even the exception, it is the rule. facebook today is not worth 1/10 of what facebook was worth in 2005
mircea_popescu: this happens ALL THE TIME.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne you have 5 users. one of which is worth "1 unit of useful". you dd 5 more. they together are worth 0.5 units of useful.
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Yes, its very useful. But the value of your coins will inflate fast if its just 12 people using it over and over.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I'm not going to accept being called a muppet for saying we're not in a position to evaluate an appropriate block size, therefore changing it is unwise.
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: is not the inability to interdict funds enough for you?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne what if in going from 5 to 10 you lose the one worth 1 and gain 5 worth .1 each ?
ben_vulpes: "oh gosh so we can all be richer in the fyooooture instead of working today" sort of nonsense
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: alternatively, the big blocks version will be populated with retards.
ben_vulpes: the thing about bitcoins is that it a system that conserves, and resists diddling in the vein of fiat economies.
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Hypothesis; if we ever get to the point where we are completely filling blocks and fees start going through the roof, either growth will halter or it will fork - and the 1mb version will be virtually barren
ben_vulpes: so no technical fears then?
trinque: fees, and prioritizing transactions according to them
ben_vulpes: trinque: you gotta have a hypothesis about what's going to happen, man.
ben_vulpes: 21me8 then, williamdunne.
trinque: one will know what happens when the blocksize limit is reached ... when the blocksize limit is reached
williamdunne: The blocksize is a limiting factor of its usage, 21m doesn't thanks to 8 decimal places
trinque: not that 1mb isn't the right value
ben_vulpes: what's the worst case scenario of hitting that ceiling?
ben_vulpes: i guess they're all bitcoin or something retarded like that
ben_vulpes: what then distinguishes bitcoin from XXXcoin?
trinque: the way to find out what a good blocksize would be is to let the thing bang into the ceiling so we know what that looks like
ben_vulpes: so if you change the block size, you get deuterium.
williamdunne: trinque: Bitcoin currently worth x potatoes, bitcoin in the future to be worth y potatoes
ben_vulpes: nitrogen is nitrogen because of the arrangement of electrons in valence shells.
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: you're missing the point.
trinque: williamdunne: so let it bang into the ceiling and see what people do
ben_vulpes: usg can break it like they broke gpg, but that broken thing will not and cannot be bitcoin
pete_dushenski: i don't, i could've just as well said 'like i want a hole in the head'
williamdunne: I don't see why you're saying that you'd want the transaction capabilities tied to the number of coins issued though
trinque: how bout just fill the bucket before considering marrying a larger bucket?
pete_dushenski: to the extent that scarcity is the goal because scarcity is a key driver of value, then yes
pete_dushenski: bigger than 1mb though ? not in the foreseeable future
pete_dushenski: the block size could be 512kb i guess
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: From what I can tell the objection you all have is that Gavin's suggestion is constant inflation, as opposed to the block-size being anything other than 1mb
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: curious, what do you mean by "Generally they're against inflation of block sizes, not an increase."
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'll read the poem and post it
mats: mircea_popescu: sure, put me on the keyserver project
mircea_popescu: !rate williamdunne 2 scoopbot the 3rd
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/stop-all-the-clocks-again/ << anyone willing to read this and put it on youtube or w/e ?
pete_dushenski: for sure tomorrow at the latest
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Passed the qntra part, now faces your vex
trinque: mircea_popescu | well you will notice that nothing happened here also. it's just ... what was that word, for an item that breaks minds << star trek used this against the borg, could've been ripped off from a novel
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, his bot still needs to pass the qntravex test
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: thx for the line correction
pete_dushenski: people think blog posts write themselves, comments answer themselves, books read themselves, i swear
williamdunne: Had to make him multi-threaded to get the IRC library work -.-
mircea_popescu: pretty much the same.
mircea_popescu: she's 40 something, which conceivably means she was once the "deeply in love" LolaBlake
mircea_popescu: that she was his "manager" and violated his trust by anti-representing him is not a point of concern, not even for people so finely tuned to the iffy intricacies of you know, the violation that occurs should a finger stray into a slit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, remarkable how little thought is given to the puppet master (Vanessa Veronique apparently) getting all these shenanigans in motion to get even at the 60yo derp that found a 20yo slut.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne yeh, but it resolves none of the fundamental problems. you're still you, she's still her, the situation just got more volatile. just like pushing the gas pedal doesn't make one either less drunk or better a driver.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ties up a woman he doesn't own.
mircea_popescu: yeah they ARE playing pretty fast and incredibly loose by now.
mircea_popescu: (there's also a major historical angle of [seazy beta] males pushing women into sex via "art")
mircea_popescu: which i suspect is what the woman was thinking.
mircea_popescu: actors act naked all the time without an expectation on any one's part to end up fucking on stage.
mircea_popescu: well, they were making a display.
mircea_popescu: but if you call every bicycle a tank soon enough the army's going to be riding into battle on clown materiel.
mircea_popescu: and i;m not saying it's good or anything, or that the woman should not protest or anything.
williamdunne: Its definitely 'iffy', but people are particularly sensitive about their sensitives
williamdunne: If I didn't go there for a prostate exam, yeah I'd guess so
mircea_popescu: the guy is a total douche, as far as his emails let on, and the woman is both smarter and more collected than him, for sure. they weren't a good fit anyway.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yeah I'd say that probably counts as some form as rape. In the same way that stealing a handbag from inside a locked house is burglary
mircea_popescu: williamdunne " what happened ? some derp tied up a professional model he barely knew, and then fingered her. she had no idea he was going to finger her, and didn't care for it."
mircea_popescu: girl doesn't wanna, girl stays off the set.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne as the old expression goes in porn, "if you're naked, you're fucking"
williamdunne: I can understand being upset at being raped as-well, assuming it wasn't one of the new-fangled versions of "rape"
mircea_popescu: sort-of like how bad management makes boys doubt their love of computers, and idiot teachers make kids generally doubt their love of books.
mircea_popescu: apparently, as the female mind goes, men have agency only with their permission or something.
mircea_popescu: "You violated my consent, my body and my trust. You made me doubt my love for rope and my career as a professional model. What you did is legally considered as rape, and YOU are not allowed to minimise it for your own interest. YOU are only allowed to be sorry, certainly not to be upset at anyone for letting other people know what you did."
williamdunne: lobbes: Hope for the best - looks like it should be working. On the first parse manages to pull his articles
mircea_popescu: and on and on AND ON it goes. they are ALSO calling on the un raporteur for terrorism. it's also abuse, rape, victims, trauma, the works.
mircea_popescu: what this turns into is a massive one year saga where the guy's manager becomes jealous at the guy's new girlie (depicted above), and then badmouths him and then he tries to talk to the original model who comes out in favour of the slighted ex
lobbes: williamdunne: wd on scoopbot revival. Now we gotta get pete_dushenski to post something; that'll be the real test ;)
mircea_popescu: what happened ? some derp tied up a professional model he barely knew, and then fingered her. she had no idea he was going to finger her, and didn't care for it.
mircea_popescu: i don't see the problem ?
lobbes: Such an old article that it probably isn't worth bothering BB or cazalla to edit, however
mircea_popescu: from the notbad.jpg department https://flpics1.a.ssl.fastly.net/3012/3012469/00050ed8-dec0-dc1e-5847-c7d97a41c51b_720.jpg
williamdunne: There we go, now optimized as well
mircea_popescu: also it is a very good iudea to ask all job board qs on the article
williamdunne: Perfect, just found a bug I will need to fix which will take about the same
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3877PYR << this derp left a buncha http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-iv/#comment-113813 yest.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes stopped looking about the time i said yest. y ?
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/29MWTSE << if this isn't the mark of complete anomie i have no idea what it'd be. check it out, the un raporteur. ima go hang out with milosevici and gadaffi nao, because derps may not ever be upset!
ascii_panama: homo redditicus is not homo sapiens and i know of no means of pulling off the transformation
mircea_popescu: you can't mistreat a sixteen year old on the grounds that your 50yo ex wife was a harpy.
mircea_popescu: i don't contemplate the notion that resistence is an omen of eventual failure.
mircea_popescu: you know what the tango instructor was saying "the woman must resist the man's intention. if she does not, and just takes off, the guy's left there wondering who is he dancing with. the air ?"
ascii_panama: that they will resist this lesson, should surprise no one.
ascii_panama: because many of the students are quite far gone
ascii_panama: especially if the only lesson resulting is 'go eat a nagant'
mircea_popescu: "This makes me sick. He is dangerous...this is just the start of his twisted mind" physically sick. like photomigraine sick.
mircea_popescu: as per plato's education : in a cave bereft of light, light hurts the eyes. in a world where education's a long lost tech, education hurts the mind.
mircea_popescu: ascii_panama medusa broke the hardware, so to speak, whereas these things are more akin to ... normal education.
ascii_panama: of course there were earlier stories. one involving a record player, for instance. and if one thinks, the whole thing goes back to at least medusa
mircea_popescu: i suppose as the legal concept is defined in english, this factually is terrorism.
mircea_popescu: ah yes the blit
ascii_panama: and tht what they're spitting isn't -really- teeth
ascii_panama: pretending that there was not, and could not have been, a kick, or a face to kick
mircea_popescu: well you will notice that nothing happened here also. it's just ... what was that word, for an item that breaks minds ? it was visual in the original sf novel. like a fractal.
ascii_panama: even though no one was pwned or otherwise physically disciplined - the derp continues to this day.
ascii_panama: i did something very vaguely similar once, with the 'clojure' post
mircea_popescu: it's kind of fascinating, i'm a little boy at heart, i just lifted a rock and omfg the grub it covered!
mircea_popescu: the barristas are all upset and so i change my mind about things ?
ascii_panama: none of this deserves the individual shot-in-head attention imho
mircea_popescu: but i mean... wait. "out him" ? how is this supposed to work for the love of god.
mircea_popescu: "Is there a way we can drag him into the light of day. Out him for the misogynous bastard he is? The name links to a lot of Bitcoin info... Same guy? If it is, I wonder how potential investors would feel about his cyber-terrorist behavior."
mircea_popescu: dude so much mileage of this stuff. "Why is my post deleted again al hackers let unit until we find the fucker and break his site and get the scumbag" ;
ascii_panama: intercal on ichtheosaurs
mircea_popescu: what happened to him anyway ? wasn't he just about to confront the weirdo guy subletting from him when he disappeared ?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne : btcalpha.com btctrading.wordpress.com cascadianhacker.com contravex.com devilsadvocate.biz explo.yt fr.anco.is www.loper-os.org pankkake.headfucking.net qntra.net blog.spagni.net thedrinkingrecord.com thestringpuller.tumbler.com thewhet.net trilema.com
williamdunne: Well, I don't know where to find it, happy to just use the old list though
mircea_popescu: shit the list is lost too ?!
mircea_popescu: the ridiculous thing about copyright is that i actually have a perfectly valid claim to the copyright of the lists i published. copyright attaches to selection of material.
ascii_panama did not imagine that mircea_popescu seriously -needed- the actual pieces of this piñata for anything in particular
mircea_popescu: "Did anyone notice that he has 4 volumes or that at the bottom he has everything copyrighted? How the hell do you copyright someone's personal information?"
mircea_popescu: the dilemma, the one true mark of the simple mind stretched to fit holes larger than it ever possibily could.
mircea_popescu: but if they don't... what, fetlife becomes mplife ?
mircea_popescu: such a perfect fucking storm. admire the dilemma these poor people face. if they stfu about it, well... then they're kneeling in silent abjection before the man, right ? just like the man said.
mircea_popescu: "I read your update ... I understand how it makes you feel and I understand your concerns ... I am not saying he didn't do anything wrong and I think he is the ultimate douchebag mixed with disrespectful on so many levels ... but fetlife has been filled with writings about that list. And having someone's screenname is not exactly going to make it easy to find them in most cities ... so he is actually getting exactly th
mircea_popescu: discussions are otherwise opaque but for the "x commented on y" notifications everyone gets.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes from what i've been explained, it's so that the tribe of a user gets a reference they can follow in their flux
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mircea_popescu: ascii_panama but the bezzle is nothing but an interface oin that same api.
mircea_popescu: so what pays the server bills ?
ascii_panama: mircea_popescu: it isn't like other chat gizmos cost money...?
ben_vulpes: probably the last users
ascii_panama: oil the 'maxims', it's a meatwave.
mircea_popescu: lmao and apparently they brigaded a bunch of random people off twitter/facebook too.
BingoBoingo: Do they still call you Trilema?
ascii_panama: some nonzero portion of socialistoidderp is 'revenge' of low-smv folks against the high. dan mocsny observed this and it is a hypothesis with some explanatory power.
mircea_popescu: either better whips or better castration knives, sure.
ascii_panama: 'were they better men, we wouldn't be here.' << ?
ascii_panama: what else could possibly happen to them ?
mircea_popescu: were they better men, we wouldn't be here.
mircea_popescu: i find it particularly poetic that they should get raped with a spiked club, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ftr, men over 60 are BY FAR the most vulnerable demographic.
BingoBoingo: ascii_panama: Depends on the production scale
ascii_panama: these differences are not unimportant.
mircea_popescu: how does market consisting solely of symbolics machiens make sense then ?
ascii_panama: re: the spam thread: mircea_popescu laughs, but market consisting solely of 'mazerati' does not make sense
mircea_popescu: kickstarter, the works.
ascii_panama: dan mocsny's 'smv' is market like any other.
ascii_panama: but in the abstract - the notion that xxx might reliably have sex, vs a specimen who won't, is a 'selling point', yes
ascii_panama: anyone who might end up with the notion that there is something to buy into here, could not possibly have money - on account of profound clinical retardation
mircea_popescu: maybe. tho... the derps on fetlife...
mircea_popescu: such is the nature of the beta male that "romantic" (aka, sexually dysfunctional) is a selling point
mircea_popescu: "Hi. I want to be with a man who wants to start a strong relationship and who can care of his beloved woman. Are you independent and tender man? I would be happy to get know each other better! I am a attractive and affectionate lady. I can add that I am well-tempered and romantic. "
ascii_panama: they even halted boarding because dog snorted
ascii_panama: if you sleep in viruviru, clench the muscles of yer zero
ascii_panama: folks who noticed, queued up for the latter
ascii_panama: the charger? it was in viruviru
mircea_popescu: oh, pics of the coin thing
mircea_popescu: williamdunne kinda what i meant. "live" in the general, old man dies, son takes its place, stuff like that.
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mircea_popescu: why's the rg style so common ffs.
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl dude i get it, you gotta job, but you can't just leave. gotta make arrangements, who's gonna run scoopbot now ? where's the repository ? etc.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: At this point we'll have to start husking them so we can put smaller jars on the shelves which only accomodate whatever was in the cranium.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo b-a adds another head to its panoply.
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trinque: ben_vulpes: | postgrest ++ << that it uses basic auth is the biggest wart I see
joeblo: Sure, that's not an API, but there are API's around it
joeblo: I'm trying to dev up to an API but there doesn't seem to be a definite answer for this
ben_vulpes: for the very simple reason that complex financial instruments are rarely fungible.
ben_vulpes: there is no standard, joeblo
joeblo: I'm curious, what's the standard implementation for digital assets?
mircea_popescu: i was like "but i want the cool rooms, like i had", guy was like "well i hope you don't have more than 8 people coming then, because we're not building a patio"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this is literally true, seeing how they had one of your suites per floor.
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> "are self-funded and self-motivated" << the actual footnote you want here is the reference to the deficits that serenissima runs
mircea_popescu: i don't really understand the magic, but when running varnish hits ~= pages.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes php has 0 to do with it. for one thing, it's compiled. for the other, it's apache that gets hammered, purely a html problem.
ben_vulpes: it's the latest and greatest in php performance tekmology!
trinque: mircea_popescu: memcached has performed well for me in the past, is supported by nginx
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> "beating heart of the source code" << more like well-armed guardians of the blood in the fly in the amber
ben_vulpes: look, pete, if the lord had intended capitalization, he'd have capitalized whatever himself.
ben_vulpes: blech and with the capitalizing of my carefully uncapitalized lines
ben_vulpes: * ascii_launchpad [00:04] just walked by a 'women in tech' poster << in the airport?!
ben_vulpes: look do what the 'professionals' do
ben_vulpes: discovering the deep bitrot
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [23:47] # cd /usr/local/src << baww look at the hobbyist sysadmin
assbot: Logged on 22-04-2015 22:59:45; lobbes: to the qntra version? tis here: http://qntra.net/2015/03/missouri-secretary-of-state-orders-slaughter-to-pay-civil-penalties/
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1107427 << you know i met the guy one time
mircea_popescu: fun fact : this is a cover. the original was an 80s thing of some whales nobody remembers today.
mircea_popescu: Jeffrey Walker told jurors that the Philadelphia Police Department drug squad targeted white "college-boy ... khaki-pants types" who were "easy to intimidate."
liquidassets: that would make more sense then trying to cram in into what we have already <<not sustainable
liquidassets: I'd rather bring in as much btc as possible before spending it
mircea_popescu: considering the actual tx pressure is ~0 atm, blocks not even half full etc, he can prolly get away with just using btc for at least a year.
liquidassets: retail anything really, I'm want to help businesses succeed after the next economic adjustment happens
mircea_popescu: incidentally, kinda lulzy for me to read the "concerns" of the bitcoin derpistan cca q4 2014 / q1 2015 in trilema writings two years prior.
liquidassets: but cardanos in the future
liquidassets: "People try to, because of the misguided belief that Bitcoin value is somehow related to or deriving from its crossection in the retail market" <<ok I"m starting to grok
mircea_popescu: othere than that... if it works for you use it.
mircea_popescu: the idea was that bitcoin isn't going to change to accomodate the retail market, principally because the retail market is (necessarily) much too small.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015 < there ?
liquidassets: ...the plug..
liquidassets: MP can you elaborate on how you don't see bitcoin being retail anything? It seems your thoughts work more in eons, won't there will be an in between time where things might not be end game yet
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/5f930017bebc54ed7b2723594a70d5f0/tumblr_n8xsxzmnYv1r8wl2xo1_1280.jpg
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski "If you the historians write about you."