ascii_field: presumably the 'unit cost' is what the components actually cost. rather than the usual amortized nre, etc. which honest people include in such a figure.
mircea_popescu: $500 buys the us a pogo.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 500 for 'hardware and installation' includes only what the monkey does in the interdiction checkpoint
mircea_popescu: ascii_field because it said on the friggin paper
williamdunne: I have an existing account there, and easy to drag and drop it over. What is a better option?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Would this cover all of the main features? https://mega.co.nz/#!ItBmiT5A!le5xA-v_oBLQfQXG4Jipe5FDUoD_dpcrFM4ALsUX8wg
jurov: "It prevents her from investing in a bad embryo, lets her get rid of it right away, and primes her body for another successful pregnancy."
ascii_field: for all we know, the jtag daughterboards never existed en masse because boobytraps baked into silicon at factory more than suffice
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how the hell would i know what it costs
mircea_popescu: williamdunne user's names should publicly be the key.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for the record, that fluxbabbitt thing is such bs... srsly, interdiction costs $500 now ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: With the site's meet + greet space, what should be publicly viewable. Should users be able to set public/private names individually (private of course encrypted)?
ascii_field: at the time of that post, it was several $k us
ascii_field: (e.g., where the fuck is my 'FLUXBABBITT' ? bounty, and no one took. how many zeroes would have to be added ?)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: for all i know, the entire purpose of that report was to make the offender go underwater and prevent proper forensic work
mircea_popescu: in lieu of idle speculation of the geopolitical considerations.
mircea_popescu: id' have liked that report a lot more if it focused on a complete description of the mechanism of action
mircea_popescu: allegedly. i have some trouble following these texts that rely so heavily on knowledge of other machine's internal states.
mircea_popescu: judging by the 1mn aid kerry announced for nepal, i'd say us is just as internal cattle management-y.
ascii_field: because they are mainly concerned with simple internal cattle management
mircea_popescu: "Because the goodcrypto.com servers are in Europe, China is an unlikely suspect." because...
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: allusion to the 'quantum insert' thing where they mitm million+ connections at backbone level
mircea_popescu: weakest link in the whole thing. a) "criminals" ie, non-criminals do have the ability, it's really not that hard and b) how did he figure that
ascii_field: and based on the choice of target, usg -wants- idiots to use 'goodcrypto' on account of it being derp
mircea_popescu: "The attack appears to be from someone sitting on the net pipes and injecting packets. This requires huge resources. The U.S., U.K., Canadian, and Chinese spooks do this. Ordinary criminals don't have the ability."
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeah it's not clear from the notes that they actually identified the mechanism
ascii_field: 'When we tried wget, it detected errors, retried, and finally succeeded. It said the error was a bad length field in a TLS packet. That didn't make sense at first because we thought TLS packets were error corrected by TCP.' << incidentally, i am not certain that i agree with the author's conclusion ('reverse heartbleed'.) it may very well be an attempt to exploit other braindamage in http stack
mircea_popescu: didja see the argentinian sweets shop ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field maybe i'm just trying to misguide the metansa!
ascii_field wonders if mircea_popescu is using 'clocks' thing to look for a nice voice to go on the #b-a shortwave propaganda station
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ he has a way about him. anyway, do me a favour, read the clocks thing
ascii_field still doesn't grasp why folks seem intent on building another 'lavabit'
JuliaTourianski_: "doesn't hurt to touch base with the guy who owns an exchange worth 300k and who was asking about you.. " daniel p. barron
mircea_popescu: the site structure.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne in other words without encryption it is not worth even mentioning.
williamdunne: Okay, would it be important to you in other words?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Working on scoping the whole thing out for you, but changes things a bit
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: With the FetLife replacement project how important is the client side JS encryption? Would it for example be redundant if hosted on metal outside of the US, and operated by someone willing to say fuck you to a subpoena?
mircea_popescu: you got in the wot yet JuliaTourianski_ ?
mircea_popescu: what do they care.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field in the logs.
Adlai: to their credit, "Do not use GoodCrypto for mail encryption if: You are already encrypting mail. Even if GoodCrypto is easier, we don't want a monoculture."
mircea_popescu: can't get 50k in real money, all the while derps get "40mn" in pseudo money.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard so lulzy. then garza tries and fails to raise 50k via his muchly-crimped cantor fitzgerald contact.
Pierre_Rochard: “in the midst of raising around $40 million at a pre-money valuation of approximately $200 million"
Adlai: if you do it for the condom, it detects accident as well as sabotage
ascii_field: naturally for the envelope, not condom per se
ascii_field: Adlai: no, what i meant was, it is not especially difficult to make layers that change colour (or give off heat, smoke, etc) if they come into contact through a broken intermediate shield
Adlai: ascii_field: no, that's just for detecting roofies; sperm belong to the succubus from first arousal
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: who the fuck targets with this windows crap << plenty of folks
mircea_popescu: well who the fuck targets with this windows crap.
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000085.html << didn't we cut a version of auto.sh that used foundation-hosted tarballs of all of the above?
ascii_field: rather than targeted-anything
Adlai never understood the forward vs attach dichotomy
Adlai: it's almost ironic how the continued persecution just cements ross's martyrdom
Adlai doesn't see why it's relevant to have additional testimonies, on either side, once the jury has convicted... shouldn't the judge sentence based on the same evidence used by the jury?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne just drop the "URL"
Adlai: or rather i should bitch at williamdunne
ascii_field: l0l i get just about all of the items mircea_popescu quotes
ascii_field suspects he gets the same ones
kakobrekla: * Adlai parsed that as "Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches URL < the redundant ministry of redundancy put that there
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 15:41:27; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, you want a dump of all these derpy exploits i keep getting emailed ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-storm-that-was-fel/#comment-90298 << published on tirlema, 2012.
pete_dushenski: "Current versions of WordPress are vulnerable to a stored XSS. An unauthenticated attacker can inject JavaScript in WordPress comments. The script is triggered when the comment is viewed. "
williamdunne: Not to mention they would have been doing drugs anyway
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Actually SOP, except for the part where this allegedly harm wasn't presented at all during trial
williamdunne: "The parents of two of the allegedly six persons who supposedly died from overdosing on Silk Road drugs are Bharara's list to testify at Ulbricht's sentencing." <<< fo'real? Appealing to the juries feels
mircea_popescu: goes to show that any man who hires a clerk of the court to defend him from the us govt is having a fool for a client
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The unprintable stuff in other media is Dratel's gut reaction is a "harm reduction" defense, and not STFU if this wasn't good enough for trial, roll it in sand and shove it up your ass.
mircea_popescu: esp if it's the "with beheading" version.
mircea_popescu: "The parents of two of the allegedly six persons who supposedly died from overdosing on Silk Road drugs are Bharara's list to testify at Ulbricht's sentencing."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And you thought they were a rogue state before...
mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck heard of this!
hanbot: mircea_popescu: doesn't even sound like him. i'd say the doldrums did wonders for his voice.
pete_dushenski: i was wondering the same !
mircea_popescu: there's nothing as bad as success.
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: i'm not saying 10 btc isn't serious, but isn't premium enough. they are poor though.
pete_dushenski: like the dentist who's busy when priced competitively, wants to be less busy, jacks up his prices to the highest in town, and then has his doors beaten down with customers like never before.
mircea_popescu: dude, they don';t have money.
williamdunne: On that note, FetLife still haven't responded to my gracious offer to fix their shit for 10 btc
hanbot: mircea_popescu perhaps williamdunne meant the kind of king that's painted on velvet and prefers peanut butter banana sammiches.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i used to think so myself, but then i read on fetlife i'm really spurned by teh ladies, and so...
pete_dushenski: more like the andrew jackson ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not even the washington of b-a, not having yet lead anyone through any valleyforge. let alone king.
mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_Fitzgerald << check it out, the gaw embarassment is chasing fraser all the way to wikipedia
pete_dushenski: terrorists who want australian deal-seekers to deplete the island's public and natural resources.
pete_dushenski: "you might want to think twice before you use Groupon (GRPN) to keep things safe. The Australian branch of the deal-scoring website is recalling a number of condoms sold between March 12th and April 10th. The condoms, labeled as Durex turned out to be counterfeit and the Australian Government Department of Health warns that they could have holes poked in them." << there are things to cut coupons for and then the
pete_dushenski: there are worse ways to use your inheritence.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, you want a dump of all these derpy exploits i keep getting emailed ?
pete_dushenski: "China says no more strippers at funerals. A statement from the Ministry of Culture on Thursday said the government is working with local police to stop suggestive funeral performances, which are intended to draw more mourners to the events." << whatever it takes to be best most popular dead guy.
nubbins`: altho i should tell you stories about the roommate who didn't have a sense of smell...
nubbins` was dismayed at rudimentary binding techniques used by the atelier that inspired him to start printing on paper
nubbins`: but yeah, drugs and bitcoin are prolly the 2 stupidest so far
mircea_popescu: you do find the stupidest shit to dedicate yourself to...
nubbins`: it's because the creators didn't know wtf they were doing and were unable to pull clean prints
nubbins`: generally didn't even pull the squeegee himself
mircea_popescu: then all the derps hoping it wears off go all nutty "Any of you have some light to shed on a few of these questions?
nubbins`: "the ink was caked on and cracked all over" was saddening to read
mircea_popescu: basically more of the same "warhol is this whore who made a lot of money and we being from america think this is art"
nubbins`: and many times the printers were just given a bunch of colours and combos to work through."
nubbins`: "got a chance to look at a bunch up close in a gallery in hawaii, the ink was caked on and cracked all over. He used a bunch of different printers. the actual production of the art was no biggie, he just found images with halftones already and blew them up in a camera, or if he took the polaroids when he was doing all the portraits, he added a halftone small, then blew them up to make them go ratty. rubies were cut (or stencils) for b/g,
nubbins`: stalkers are also welcome to try finding me on the gp forums
nubbins`: couple of the guys in that thread actually inherited some old warhol gear, pretty neat
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "fixing" by and large leans towards denial there's any problem whatsoever, so far. which is why the war. to get back to the original point with adlai.
nubbins`: incidentally, all this shit experienced a revival in western art because of warhol. and you should see pictures of the fuckin equipment he used. super wtf.
davout: basically that women pretty much count a new child as "existing" as soon as they can feel it in their flesh, whereas men must wait to see the baby
nubbins`: almost certainly w/o even changing any of the chems or supplies
davout: my wife doesn't understand when i tell her that newborns sort of have to be "adopted" by the father at some point
mircea_popescu: kinda why the public discourse in natoland is so female centric these days btw. it's not some evil conspiracy against men, it's just, we've managed to dig out a very gendered problem and the bitchez are stuck trying to fix it.
mircea_popescu: as we've become powerful, they've suddenly got a major problem. much worse than teh nuclear bomb, really.
mircea_popescu: this worked fine back when the species was powerless, because nobody really cared what women derped about.
asciilifeform: is this not because 'can make another' is not entirely a given? expensive operation (per yesterday's thread)
williamdunne: Isn't that de-risking in their opinion? An attempt to secure a spouse?
mircea_popescu: that doesn't directly relate to the totally nutso things they do with their children. find one woman that considers a plain "don't worry about this one, you can make another" as an adequate condoleance over her dead baby.
nubbins`: oh man, only 4 days til the creature moves out
mircea_popescu: they'll get pregnant, for one.
williamdunne: But there is nothing wrong with voicing women who are risk tolerant?
Adlai: from "spharad" = spain, where they got kicked out from by the inquisitors, picked up some arab culture and genes for a few centuries, then immigrated here during the last
mircea_popescu: williamdunne they favour "safety", and tend to misunderstand it.
mircea_popescu: what do they self identify as ?
Adlai: they make up a large part of israel's population
mircea_popescu: sure. but the groups are broadly arabs / jews+euros.
mircea_popescu: Adlai i for one believe it's driven by women. specifically : the arabs understand voicing women is a problem and don't understand how to fix it, whereas the jews/xtians/other european colonists don't understand voicing women is a problem.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: there's some truth to it (pretty awesome owning both sides of the lake!) but it seems like an overly narrow version of "it's just tribal hysteresia that hasn't yet settled"
nubbins`: asciilifeform the white inks i use are somewhere between dried toothpaste and drywall compound in consistency
nubbins`: BingoBoingo you mean the redditards haven't turned them all into "sweet $2,000 off-grid houses" yet?
mircea_popescu: Adlai how good is that hypothesis in your eyes ?
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> let's feed all our clean water to alfalfa plants so we can ship them overseash << But It's the only way to get some of these shipping containers back to China in a manner other than empty!
nubbins`: i could silkscreen PCBs with this setup if i was OK with the fumes and caustic chems
nubbins`: asciilifeform silkscreening is silkscreening, the only major differences are (a) the emulsion spread on screens to hold images, and (b) the inks
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000085.html davout you mean this one?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this looks very much like the solder paste press i was considering buying
nubbins`: (the black parts labelled
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for justusranvier from 1 to -1 with note: I dunno, afaik he's just kinda derpy (see http://trilema.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/ etc) but my WoT hates him now, and so I can't in good conscience keep a meaningless +1, nor do I want to set it to 0 because then it gets deleted. Brb adding footnotes to this rating.
mircea_popescu: !rate justusranvier -1 I dunno, afaik he's just kinda derpy (see http://trilema.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/ etc) but my WoT hates him now, and so I can't in good conscience keep a meaningless +1, nor do I want to set it to 0 because then it gets deleted. Brb adding footnotes to this rating.
nubbins`: here's two arms of the press, one without the micro registration head and one with: http://imgur.com/aOcDnzQ
asciilifeform: 'tell me again about the waters of your home world!' (TM) (R) 'Dune'
nubbins`: and buy bottled water with the money
nubbins`: let's feed all our clean water to alfalfa plants so we can ship them overseash
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and so california is running out of water because while population doubled, water works have not been allowed to go forward ; and the us is ethically collapsing because hey... no useful violence to be had << Also the part where the largest agricultural use of water in California is... Alfalfa... for export to China as livestock fodder...
nubbins`: but luckily all the connections are rose joints and there's *just* enough clearance for the thing to still work
nubbins`: the fuckers quite obviously dropped the thing on the ground when packaging, one of the bolts is severely bent
nubbins`: oh, meantime, i purchased a micro-registration head for the t-shirt press, to evaluate
Adlai: it's an advantage within certain constraints, which are rather invisible from inside the cage
mircea_popescu: i thought of you the whole time.
nubbins`: "i'll have the steak sandwich" (server takes out heavy maul and nice steak)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the rnavier thing - fella went into the scorpion pit, for no apparent reason, got stung a bit. big whoop.
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 09:28:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112293 << on one end. on the other end, it has the advantage that it can allow *everyone* to pretend like they're part of the conversation. here people know nobody is listening to them, because they have no voice. on facebook/reddit/etc, every idiot can pretend that he's being heard because he can read himself and so why not.
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112435 << that is an advantage in roughly the same manner as bezzle automagically condensating on a plastic card in my position, is an advantage
nubbins`: mircea_popescu do you find that argentinians mallet the fuck out of steaks?
davout: mircea_popescu: doesn't really work for some reason, also the SVG tags are embedded directly in the HTML, makes it impossible to open in new tab for example
nubbins`: "don't touch black things because they might be hot enough to send you to the hospital" :D
asciilifeform: re: the 'fuck diplomas' thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol this re the me vs rnavier piece ?
nubbins`: many of the lessons learned inside the kitchen are uniquely inapplicable outside, as well.
asciilifeform: not that it is a bad thing - but that the lessons learned inside such a machine are uniquely inapplicable to folks on the groud
davout: mike_c: could you make it possibru to zoom on the wot graphs?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu finds it harder and harder to care about whatever the derps outside do. << this is the very definition of atomic dirigible.
mircea_popescu finds it harder and harder to care about whatever the derps outside do.
nubbins`: but because it implies the holder is willing to waste time in pursuit of a "maybe"
nubbins`: not because it implies skill or suitability for the position
nubbins`: *we* don't, the restauranteurs do
mircea_popescu is a chef, for all the diff it makes
nubbins`: not because of lack of skill -- i put my way through university cooking and i can blow any self-described "chef" outta the water
asciilifeform: and that if you were not in -their- wot, you had no chance as a chef ?
asciilifeform: but if you learned that these folks -were making a living as chefs- ?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: were these folks claiming to be professional 'tasters' ?
nubbins`: TBF this gave me a serious case of the o.Os
asciilifeform: and that's how we get the faux-sommeliers who cannot distinguish red from white-with-food-colouring
asciilifeform: nubbins`: skills that cannot be faked or debased, i have a soft spot for, yes. but the fraudsters did find the pill against this, and it was to build entire fraudwots that cancerously spiderweb across any passageway whereby the layman might wander in
nubbins`: guy aces 11 of the 12, declares 12th to be "X or Y", and sure enough it was X
nubbins`: so the old man brings in 12 wooden blanks for turning pens, and a blindfold.
nubbins`: "tastes like lychee" "wtf does lychee taste like?" "let's go to the grocery store..."
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2014 03:27:12; asciilifeform: re: commoditized 'innovation' - here's a snipped from me turdbox. translation of a page in pelevin's epic 'snuff' (the one with s/ukraine/orkaine, 'orcs', etc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, why i suggested 'sommelier' as term for the hypothetical: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2014#582380
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they're prolly just bored
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the thread concerned a conversation we had at c3 about a hypothetical profession of 'computer sommelier'
nubbins`: if you see an old man at the grocery store, walking around the produce section and picking up and smelling EVERYTHING, they're probably a sommelier
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 13:47:48; asciilifeform: i must confess that i have a rather pessimistic view of the sommelier thing because the feedstock is already mind-bogglingly scarce, and the market has been flooded with crud for long enough that -everyone with serious experience has the bulk of his serious experience with crud-
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112663 << being a sommelier is more about developing your tongue and nose than about memorizing the taste of x different types of wines
mircea_popescu: well obviously they wouldn't be aware.
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:51:55; asciilifeform: in the sense of with sufficient lsd everything is quite like everything else ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I don't think they are actively trying to compensate, just a side effect
mircea_popescu: the police are trying to compensate, what with the random raping of middle class derps, but it's really a toothpick in a levy breach
mircea_popescu: and so california is running out of water because while population doubled, water works have not been allowed to go forward ; and the us is ethically collapsing because hey... no useful violence to be had.
mircea_popescu: one of those nimby problems : violence is not only great, in the general, but sorely needed for functioning society.
mircea_popescu: anyway, violence has the marked ethical advantage that it removes people from the goop where they imagine they are in control of their environmenty and the future.
asciilifeform: i must confess that i have a rather pessimistic view of the sommelier thing because the feedstock is already mind-bogglingly scarce, and the market has been flooded with crud for long enough that -everyone with serious experience has the bulk of his serious experience with crud-
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Well thats hard to summarize with a formulae as its relative. Normally I would favour the person who was most productive prior to said violence
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the data center thing would be ideal, i agree, if anyone actually ran amd-only data centers
mircea_popescu: no sommelier "deduces" what the better wine is on the basis of watching winemaking videos or some shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but yu're a deductive nut. whereas the job of a sommelier is ipso definitio inductive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would have approached from different angle, and suggested that sommelier must have actual understanding of how the damn thing works. as well as a certain amount of reverse-engineering capability.
mircea_popescu: if you construct more complex spaces you get "WasItGood()" and "ShouldItHaveHappened()" etc, but now you are also stuck with the complexity.
jurov: mircea_popescu: you ever asked multiple automechanics which car is the most reliable?
mircea_popescu: well, "just" only exists in a certain context. in the context of violence itself, there's no space for more functions than "DidItHappen()" which returns a bool.
asciilifeform: these folks can speak for cost - yes, reliability - sometimes, sure
mircea_popescu: you similarly don't expect to find experience with cars and car parts at the mechanic's ?
asciilifeform: and data center procurement is the last place i'd expect to find it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would you achieve this regard other than through experience ?
asciilifeform: for instance, i regard experience with intel boxes as entirely irrelevant to what a hypothetical proper 'sommelier' would do.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: So the violence was just? Sorry I'm struggling to follow.
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 10:29:33; mircea_popescu: because nobody knows about computer parts quite like the people doing procurement for a datacenter. so if you run your own metal and sublet to people, you're in the best position to learn these exactly.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112442 << imho this is catastrophically misguided. in the same logic one might suppose that experience manufacturing dog food should be best qualifier for opening a fine steak restaurant
mircea_popescu: there's a space between "x is bad" and "x shouldn't have happened".
jurov: williamdunne i am trying to put something together , maybe with TomServo but never did it before
mircea_popescu: williamdunne but these aren't involved third parties. so the burned jews are too dead to say, and the burning germans are also too dead to say. at the time however it stands to reason the victims all agreed they shouldn't be victims, and the perpetrator agreed on the contrary pov.
asciilifeform: (various wildlife claim to do it, yes. but no one in wot. and therefore it Does Not Exist)
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 10:29:08; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes / asciilifeform : re "build an exhaustive knowledge of every company that has ever made computer parts and an exhaustive understanding of which parts were made well and not at which point in time." << the correct approach to this is to do what mp has been saying needs doing for ages and start a bitcoin hoster.
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 09:22:40; mircea_popescu: well, they did invent them alright. they just made the mistake to make them women.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112429 << if they had used hot ones, would be unstoppable
williamdunne: Well there are lots of instances of violence where the people committing it should have been on the receiving end
mircea_popescu: the thing with violence is that it's pretty self-explainatory.
williamdunne: Well yeah, but the violence I'm describing is going against the people who shouldn't be receiving it
mircea_popescu: besides, a little bit of violence would go a very long way towards resolving most of the western problems currently.