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jurov: williamdunne: but in cases where ther is data, it works
williamdunne: Basically some way to get json on the trust between two people
mircea_popescu: must be the cpanel.
mircea_popescu: check out the windows developer over here.
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 10:25:18; punkman: also, cab driver: "check out the hottie over there" *honks* "oh shit that was my cousin. damn she lost a lot of weight"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115624 << prolly should go with frank the ditch
mircea_popescu: " When the "people" of earth finally get the message that brainpower is the limiting regent in life they'll soon start to change their tune - or find themselves living in a ~leper colony/africa." << this is not how things work
mircea_popescu: and why the fuck am i referencing pastebins.
mircea_popescu: "The studious will note that this is a completely solved problem that no machine learning algorithm will be able to approximate anytime soon." i'm sorry...what ? solved how ?
mircea_popescu: obviously what's blinding him to this is the expectations that machines could process it. this trivially can never be the case.
trinque: this is the guy working on a distro?
mircea_popescu: he's sitting over there going "hmm.... i would need something like a tube... but with fins on it... yeah that's right, two large fins..."
mircea_popescu: i have the fucking body of research all published, which is why i can always link
trinque: I was drunk enough to deal with him at the time :D
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 08:38:32; gabriel_laddel: "I need the ability to publish a unit of research as an interactive program containing all information used to draw my conclusions. It shall be entirely and trivially modifiable, extensible, and if reproducing the research is possible on this machine, running the program shall be a single click or procedure call away. WYSIWYG tools shall be included and fashioned from the precepts of geometry. Thus,
mircea_popescu: well... plenty of subjects are actually rather cooperative, which makes the instruments more... ergonomic.
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/30197ce3b8a2aa706dd3913040a1c838/tumblr_n9lah9zqCj1sfkfqio1_1280.jpg << the best thing in unix is the pipe.
mircea_popescu: so love thy cycles, for they are a supreme good.
mircea_popescu: there's a balance to be had between "shared context" and "mass hysteria". a meeting of autonomous minds is one of the very best ways to achieve that balance.
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 08:33:16; gabriel_laddel: I'm simply of the opinion that our current platform (irc) is too barbaric and doesn't force enough shared context upon us to do anything interesting. Any sort of shared vision or whatever gets watered down into discussions like the above.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115595 << is your complaint the lack of koolaid in this place ?!
mod6: since this discussion, im gonna go back and re-read these logs.
mircea_popescu: and then... x person says this doesn't work. what now ?
mircea_popescu: yeah but then you end up with something that works for you
assbot: The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume VII on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtdHCF )
scoopbot_revived: News! The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume VII URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-vii/
mircea_popescu: piles of crud in there.
mircea_popescu: mod6 building glibcc "by hand" is not the trivial taks you make it out.
mod6: <+jurov> the libnss was done as binary plugin to glibc << so there is no possible way to just build glibc by hand and not include libnss? or there are basically so many things that use libnss that even if you did, stuff wouldn't work anyway?
mircea_popescu: mod6 what i mean is, for as long as you use any sort of function touched, whether you yourself use any of the libnss "functionality" or not, its gonna be there
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> ~whether one even uses libnss or not~! << so even if we didn't even call "whatsMyIP()" or w/e it is, this would still be a dingleberry attached to glibc.
mod6: <+ascii_field> the patch, note, did not remove all (there is a 'what is my ip' thing in there ) << ah, i recall. ok and this is what initiated the conversation about SHA256 addy's as opposd to dotted quads right?
mod6: we were on track at that point to try to cut a milestone. but just about that time is when we hit the tx validation problem in 168`000 ; I think your patch just got lost in the shuffle.
mod6: ok, so that helps us going forward then.
ascii_field: jurov: the dependency vanishes if you remove -all- instances of host lookup
mod6: is that releated to his patch that removes the dns stuff?
mod6: it's not broke from the web-perspective. i've just read so much stuff that I've confused myself.
ascii_field: and no, nothing to do with the mozilla one
mircea_popescu: ~whether one even uses libnss or not~!
mod6: ok maybe that's the part I was missing - how libnss is somehow tied to glibc.
jurov: the libnss was done as binary plugin to glibc
mod6: asciilifeform: I'm just trying to put together the monthy address; In one to three sentences cna you help me summarize what is going on with glibc/libnss?
BingoBoingo: "The hardest part was often reaching Fernández and Castiglione. I had to call Brenda four times today, she said with a smile." << lol
mircea_popescu: that either side is generally ignorant of the equivalencies is nothing short of hysterical, but hey. "specialisation drives performance", i'm told.
mircea_popescu: (this may be a polichinelle's secret for which everyone here just happens to be polichinelle, but : the history of discussion, problems and criticism of languages as approached by IT types almost exactly mirrors a very similar effort in teh humanities)
mircea_popescu: the reason "différance" exists is (in the context of our discussion) exactly to show that the spellchecker problem is np
mircea_popescu: that being, amusingly enough, exactly the point.
mircea_popescu: fuck you and click the boxen, "creative" boi
mircea_popescu: ie, "you go design a better army and a better war over there with your wooden horse, toy sword and military costume, while we're gonna beat these assholes over here"
mircea_popescu: in the c way of logic.
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 08:01:08; *: Adlai always found "business logic" reminiscent of "military logic" in the necessity of distinguishing it from plain simple old "logic"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115501 << this distinction only exists as a manifestation of the speaker's cluelessness, otherwise military logic is perfectly logical.
ben_vulpes: yeah, the thing ran, and well if you recall.
ben_vulpes: probably how you derp around the machine shop
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [00:54] how the everliving fuck is cpanel used with anything other than php/static wwwtron << fwiw asciilifeform i went through a very similar saga on a very similar popescuian box. i just thought that "this was how things were supposed to be" and labored in silence.
mircea_popescu: "you're supposed to have been", jesus who the fuck came up with english grammar. "o i know, we'll save on predicative modes!!1"
mircea_popescu: it is humorously posited that this is the very explanation : they were trying to crimp your style specifically.
mircea_popescu: the string "tango" was for ununderstood reasons banned on a very popular (among the females) chat application of the 80s, at a time you'rew supposed to have been in kindergarten.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [13:23] that's prolly put i nthere special for shooting down ben_vulpes dating attempts in kindergarten. << i dun get it
mircea_popescu: in any case, it is perfectly wrong to imagine scbl has the magical quality of magical quality (and then move on once the horde shows it trivially breaks). for one thing, c was a very intellectually respectable thing, back when i was a kid.
mircea_popescu: which has been an early theoretical proposition which we've so far been verifying.
mircea_popescu: if this mechanism is correct, then it follows that yes, the only reason gabriel_laddel thinks much of scbl is that no one else does.
mircea_popescu: this is unresolvable, except if one actually and deliberately enacts the positive feedback loop of "torture those in pain, beat those with welts on their body" etc.
mircea_popescu: in any case : the mechanism im contemplating is this
mircea_popescu: but THIS is what the utility of that ancient "horror' and "unexplainable ancient cruelty" was : it kept this very significant problem of badly alligned incentives in check.
mircea_popescu: the incentives are badly alligned, and the habit of beating children (a subcase of, oppressing the oppressed FOR THE REASON that they're already oppressed) went out
asciilifeform: but when there is plethora of loose ends and misfeatures - plenty
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ink4TS )
mircea_popescu: it does not. it drives broken systems, as naggum explains : http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/#footnote_6_53927
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... and had the past 20 years been spent with scbl being "the cool language", you'd be having zhe pronouns and assorted idiocy to the tune of > 10 mn lines << the whole 'k00l d00dz' phenomenon begins from broken systems, though there is a feedback loop
mircea_popescu: but that does not actually do the job does it.
mircea_popescu: this spellchecker underlines it. nevertheless... différance
mircea_popescu: trilema is filled with examples : i spell this the french way this time for stylistic reasons. what now ?
mircea_popescu: and if I write the dict, there isn't a way to write a program that can import it at all.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a way to write a program that can import a dict and fix my grammar.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> it has nothing to check against, i gotta do it by hand. << you can edit the dict you know
mircea_popescu: in scbl, and c would be what c was in the 70s. ie, coupla hundred k's.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115422 << this, i will point out, is in no way related to any inherent property of either (unless you mean lisp is inherently going to fail), but simply a function of context. had the linux kernel been implemented in sclb, and had the past 20 years been spent with scbl being "the cool language", you'd be having zhe pronouns and assorted idiocy to the tune of > 10 mn lines
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> the computer's job is NOT to be the fucking master, and make its own decisions a la windows. the computer's job is NOT to be a solipsistic retarded geek and just do its own thing like anal children do ... the computer's job is to be a most humbly abject slave, perpetually and consumatedly on its knees following you around, with the dedication and unwavering insistence no dog can summon << obligatory http://ww
mircea_popescu: we're like brothers off the same mother over here. and check out how variant the fathers!
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 07:33:47; gabriel_laddel: I'll note that I wrote a prototype for the RPC described above - ran into an issue with TCP or the library I was using it from. Messages were disappearing in flight.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115395 << fancy that! and i spent eight hours massaging apache and varnish into wortking together, only to discover that about 10% of the time, IP fields were reliably replaced with random data form the session.
mircea_popescu: (and yes editors, which trilema doth employ, send the corrections with "did you mean to X" half the fucking time)
mircea_popescu: and consequently the notion of "spellchecker" is undefined for me.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "Why isn't there grammer/spellchecking for my comments? " << this i can readily answer. because I am what's called "a creator of language", which is to say one of those people who, through his usage, ENACTS the rules all amateur users of language MUST follow, as a mark of their linguistic inferiority. like fucking shakespeare.
davout: i'm really too lazy to argue further, i just tend to remove code instead of adding more whenever i can get what i want either of those ways
davout: because then what happens when scoopbot_revived is replaced by scoopbot_x or whatever
Adlai: seems parsimonious that in a channel where a bot announces link titles, there's no need to supply them yourself
mircea_popescu: i would definitely read the essay discussing the merits of either side. i just realised i actually don't grok this shit.
kakobrekla: for some other bots
kakobrekla: the thing is that fucking conditional code is already in place as well
mircea_popescu steps away slowly and in terror, letting the parties involved decide.
davout: sounds better to remove code from scoopbot rather than add some conditional logic to assbot
mircea_popescu: i confess i have nfi which is the correct approach.
Adlai isn't sure there was a year prefix in those days
davout: mircea_popescu kakobrekla mebbe make scoopbot_revived not mention the title and let assbot handle it?
mircea_popescu: last time anyone "in computing" had an idea the year prefix was still 1.
mircea_popescu: none of this "i'll fix the details later, i'm in the middle of doing sexy work now". fuck you and fuck your "ideas".
mircea_popescu: i want it to complain to the dev about every.single.problem. EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM. and it must be as a fucking clickbox, in his face.
mircea_popescu: i don't need to fucking remember to ask it. i can walk away from the terminal if i need some space.
Adlai: aha, the good old C-c C-w C-c
mircea_popescu: the computer's job is to be a most humbly abject slave, perpetually and consumatedly on its knees following you around, with the dedication and unwavering insistence no dog can summon.
mircea_popescu: the computer's job is NOT to be the fucking master, and make its own decisions a la windows. the computer's job is NOT to be a solipsistic retarded geek and just do its own thing like anal children do.
mircea_popescu: ort what I can figure out about the context ? b) iterate you through all locations ? c) change it back ? d) run a trace see what happens ?"
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "why are the holes not marked or filled?" << ftr this is not what i was contemplating. what I was contemplating is, why the fuck don't defaults pop up. bring back the fucking paperclip, put it the ONE place where it makes fucking sense. "hey john, I see you changed FuckOff() from bool to int. This function is called 82 places in 22 files. Would you like me to a) check all places where it's called and rep
kakobrekla: i thought they would be friends but ok
assbot: The downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. Step on their faces! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1bekiPw )
scoopbot_revived: News! The downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. Step on their faces! URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-downtrodden-are-downtrodden-for-a-reason-step-on-their-faces/
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://three-way-dreamer.tumblr.com/post/96984757094/babygirlssweetsurrender-three-is-good
HeySteve: the homeless hacker
Adlai: "Taaki and his sister once broke into an old hotel, stole the bibles from every room, doused them with cleaning fluid, set them on fire, and threw them down a well to see how deep it went. For that, their father never punished them."
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 14:26:51; *: mats is busy working through "The Misbehavior of Markets"
mircea_popescu: "can i please have the bullet then ?" "uhhh... but we don't make those anymore ? too expensive."
asciilifeform: i'm fairly convinced that these were and are an opportunistic infection
mircea_popescu: i knew there was a reason i liked him
asciilifeform: not that computing wasn't invaded, but this is rather like the popular ru explanation for fall of ussr
asciilifeform: (or prevented from migrating and living with pigs by some other demented ruler)
mircea_popescu: mmm... no, colonized. invaded by the tumbler, twitter etc hordes.
mircea_popescu: (mostly through historical accident : gypsy women used as whores throughout middle ages, ended up with kids without actual parentage, got "soft" father's name as it were)
asciilifeform: <Adlai> never trust a man with no last name << there's a fella in '80s theoretical comp sci, worked on parallel systems iirc, who was known as simply 'arvind'
Adlai: i'd say it's lulzier that the guy just has two first names
asciilifeform: works (as other placebocin) on people much better than on machines.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> the problem here is that we're regressing to the past (srsly, the varnish adventure is so reminiscent of "dos utilities" scene it bleeds) but with much more powerful tools and with much more societal dependency on them. << lamport's article on brokenness+helplessness leading to return to 'voodoo' methods (electronic homeopathy, sympathetic magic, all the way to prayer healing)
mircea_popescu: or at least, until hse takes a down to the knee.
mircea_popescu: welcome to beartraps & caltrops day on bitcoin-assets. i'll be your lovely host, with the mostly incontinent Sharon Cohen serving as my co-something or the other.
mircea_popescu: most kids are born with shit in their eyes.
mircea_popescu: but it's brief and blessfully resolves in the hospital.
mircea_popescu: actually... some hobby of WIVES doth render them anally incontinent
davout: "some hobby of slavegirls renders them anally incontinent"
asciilifeform: as for the whipping posts, those are sop
asciilifeform: yeah i couldn't help but wonder if some hobby of slavegirls renders them anally incontinent
mircea_popescu: the shitting ?
mircea_popescu: and you dun wanna be on the cross.
mircea_popescu: i'm going "you're on the cross young lady!"
mircea_popescu: no, not software. if i wake up to find that slavegirl shat the bed, i'm not going "shit must die"
mircea_popescu: grep is ~overall~ faster for this optimization, or in other words : the downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. step on their faces!
mircea_popescu: fact remains that raping the poor raw so that the rich can have it slightly better is not only the traditional way to do things back when things were still being done, but actually ~the correct way~.
mircea_popescu: and the case of optimized grep is the first and the last word on the matter of "you can not have democratic computing anymore than democratic anything else in this world. it's either good or democratic, pick one."
mircea_popescu: how did "worst case" interest group get to lose 70% so that "best case" interest group can gain 6% ? clearly this was enforced by an opressive, chauvinistic patriarchy which, to bother an irigarayism, "favours the speed of light over other speeds that are much more important to us".
mircea_popescu: anyway, not that any of the retards involved in such considerations have the skill or werewithal to get it, but : this is a fine example of privilege in computing.
mircea_popescu: friend, and the last thing I see before I black out is a patch of yellow cheese powder inside her long tangled beard."
mircea_popescu: "Put another way, grep sells out its worst case (lots of partial matches) to make the best case (few partial matches) go faster. How treacherous! As this realization dawns on me, the room seemed to grow dim and slip sideways. I look up at the Ultimate Unix Geek, spinning slowly in his padded chair, and I hear his cackle "old age and treachery...", and in his flickering CRT there is a face reflected, but it's my ex girl
mircea_popescu: that's prolly put i nthere special for shooting down ben_vulpes dating attempts in kindergarten.
mircea_popescu: that yahoo thing tho... this is EXACTLY what yahoo was. even had to ban "shit" and "shithead" separately.
Adlai: bahaha "may the bits of your hard disk be sorted by value"
mircea_popescu: "And, as everyone knows, the best way to get amazing results is to set arbitrary goals without any basis for believing they can be reached. So I set out to search faster than grep by thirty percent." << damned straight. it's exactly how i manage. especially those... contractually obligated, shall we say.
mircea_popescu: I confidently crow to anyone who would listen, those foolish enough to enter my office. And my girlfriend too, who's contractually obligated to pay attention to everything I say. << see, i think i know the kind of contract he's talking/dreaming about. in re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114812
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115372 << well, the prepared statements in a notepad / pasted later model is no good!
jurov: or ipv6, you can ignore it, but it may mean you'll be unable to find working code that does not have the bits you hate
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : Upupa epops might be the best latin name ever.
davout: looks like this iOS wifi exploit's being used in the wild http://qz.com/393909/american-airlines-planes-are-grounded-because-their-pilots-ipads-have-crashed/
mircea_popescu: currently for instance, cpanel forums require ssl, and so i'm not visiting them. i don't generally visit sites that don't have a http version.
mircea_popescu: how would they succeed that ? i'm not doing it.
jurov: i expect at least one round of redoing all the world if the derps succeed enforcing SSL everywhere
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: 1. A WoT host has been mentioned a few times in the logs - MP's new hosts << yeah i had sent teh guy an invite. all it takes is for him to actually show up etc.
mircea_popescu: actually the forecasts are that 2020 bw will be less than 2015 was.
mircea_popescu: bandwidth alone is not really that type of change tho. and it stopped going up also, esp in the us.
jurov: moore is not the only game in town. network bandwidth is still going up.
mircea_popescu: i am at the forefront of people who noticed, and demand changes.
mircea_popescu: but the "changes" just stopped. moore law is dead.
mircea_popescu: IF i am going to allow these retarded kids out of their basements and into society, they HAVE TO spiff up their act.
mircea_popescu: hm... i think the ddos might still be on. that lolz dude left exactly 246 s after i voiced him.
mircea_popescu: it has a decent chance at simply ending the world, now.
mircea_popescu: it might have been ok for 50 years ago, when the most damage that it could do was someone losing his retarded tripod poems
mircea_popescu: it is, if you wish, like if bitcoin were to take over and everyone depended on it in 2065, but then for some reason people started moving back to 0.5.3 codebase.
mircea_popescu: the problem here is that we're regressing to the past (srsly, the varnish adventure is so reminiscent of "dos utilities" scene it bleeds) but with much more powerful tools and with much more societal dependency on them.
jurov: i don't get you then at all
mircea_popescu: i was ftr not proposing this was a thing at any point in the past.
jurov: it§s easiest to believe in the past that is now lost
assbot: Logged on 28-04-2015 17:16:36; mircea_popescu: think about it. why the fuck should the code have to know about this. and if it does have to know about this, why aren't ALL the code references affected by any of such a change cross-indexed somewhere ?
mircea_popescu: and yesterday's discussion re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113989 is a magnificent example of the exact problem.
mircea_popescu: what you _have_ in point of fact ACTUALLY LOST is the ability to live in a world where things actually work,
mircea_popescu: " that his way of life is just great the way it is, it is a pretty good sign that you let him set the agenda once he realized that his way of life was under threat. Since you have nothing to defend, your self-preservation instinct will not activate hitherto unused parts of your brain to come up with reasons and rationalizations for what you have done, you will not be aware that you have been taken for a ride before it
mircea_popescu: make them miserable and hate their lives. People are pretty good at detecting that this is a likely outcome of thinking, and it takes conscious effort to brace yourself and get through such experiences. Most people are not willing even to /listen/ to arguments or information that could threaten their comfortable view of their own existence, much less think about it, so when you cannot answer a C programmer's "arguments
mircea_popescu: The core problem is that C programmers think they can get away with doing much less than the Common Lisp programmer causes the computer to do. But this is actually wrong. Getting C programmers to understand that they cause the computer to do less than minimum is intractable. They would not /use/ C if they understood this point, so if you actually cause them to understand it in the course of a discussion, you will only
punkman: also, cab driver: "check out the hottie over there" *honks* "oh shit that was my cousin. damn she lost a lot of weight"
punkman: I had to get some paperwork from the police station today. old lady there looks at my ID, which is old and handwritten, and says "hey, I made this ID back in the day"
davout: so apparently this neucoin thing sold for 2.7kBTC worth of their, ahem, "coin"
davout: punkman: because he blogged about it and didn't keep it for himself, because of what he declared to the cops about making stuff to block skype, replicate its functionality without the backdoors
punkman: davout, how did they figure that intent
davout: basically the guy is being hung because the reverse-engineering wasn't made with the intent of creating something interoperable with skype, which is permitted under french law
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for gabriel_laddel with note: ...then I expect an operating system.
BingoBoingo just watched Disney produced "evil robot fiction" was surprised at the parts that weren't shitty
trinque: !rate gabriel_laddel 2 ...then I expect an operating system.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> sure, big bottleneck there still << Irony of ironies, bottleneck is the part of the bottle that broke such that poison exposure happened
gabriel_laddel: ific inquiry, but as a consequence of a comprehensible, expressive design that empowers the individual. "
gabriel_laddel: graphics routines are inadequate, I can fall back on an 'api' independent of man. Lessons, as a refinement of research, shall offer the same capabilities. Networking (e.g., sharing these programs or crafting interactions between them) shall be trivial. No single authority shall dictate what is an isn't appropriate to publish. This is not to be enforced by social machinery which promises to promote and cherish scient
gabriel_laddel: "I need the ability to publish a unit of research as an interactive program containing all information used to draw my conclusions. It shall be entirely and trivially modifiable, extensible, and if reproducing the research is possible on this machine, running the program shall be a single click or procedure call away. WYSIWYG tools shall be included and fashioned from the precepts of geometry. Thus, if the supplied
BingoBoingo: trinque: Baudot is the penultimate encoding
trinque: it's going to piss you off when I say we were attaching widgets to the various tables of our ASTs
trinque: sure, big bottleneck there still
trinque: well then that's something true of any attempt to communicate
trinque: I think the guy just means talking in person it is much easier to understand what's meant by the other.
gabriel_laddel: The preceding discussion was largely myself and trinque learning the others vocabulary.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: What makes you sure we have a shared platform, or that individuals here choose platforms for themselves singularly?
gabriel_laddel: I'm simply of the opinion that our current platform (irc) is too barbaric and doesn't force enough shared context upon us to do anything interesting. Any sort of shared vision or whatever gets watered down into discussions like the above.
BingoBoingo: trinque: The problem with taking any extant, deployabru RDBMS is that unsanitzed inputs could throw out rm -rf /
trinque: this assurance that the data means anything is why databases were created.
gabriel_laddel: Having the same keybindings for the web browser + editor gets me all hot and bothered.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: Making it production ready is going to take some time, but as is, it is better than any other distro I've used.
gabriel_laddel: it is on the way
BingoBoingo still wonders about the search for a singular #b-a distribution when x86 sucks as much as it does...
gabriel_laddel: Also, you don't have to parse anything, or have "generator rules" or whatever, which cuts out a lot of the complexity that you get when doing something like what you've done.
gabriel_laddel: So, in your model of computing you get to work with incomplete languages in the "data model" and when generating "views". While this does provide defaults, when hacking lisp you always have the full language at your disposal.
gabriel_laddel: Well, the lines get blurry.
gabriel_laddel: you just end up writing a predicate to see that the information you're manipulating is (every #'string ...) or whatever
gabriel_laddel: I can do the same thing if I want.
trinque: the database if told as much as is known about the data you want to represent, wont let you fuck it up
trinque: whereas I assume everything's hell and hopefully the database will keep it all coherent
trinque: and if one of your hacks fucks up the logic of what it is to be a "whatever's in that list" ?
gabriel_laddel: "how in lips could you take the ast of a view against one table" << This ends up being just hacking at sexprs with the full language at your disposal.
gabriel_laddel: btw, I'm still putting together a model of what exactly it is you've done so that I can discuss this with you using your vocabulary...
gabriel_laddel: anyone /can/ add meta-programming to whatever language they want.
gabriel_laddel: but sexprs are nice because they're easy to parse.
gabriel_laddel: everything is a "list of lists" or a "tree" when you get down to it (in the compiler - though yes, you can go directly stack machine).
trinque: pop the result into one new list
trinque: there you go, now fucking iterate over two of them and filter by respective conditional expressions
trinque: so then from what position do you proclaim lisp?
trinque: so like, why do you think we put ASTs in the database?
trinque: if I discovered a way to do something lispy in a non-lisp environment, do you think this'd be the first time I've done this?
trinque: well grow the fuck up, and discuss ideas like a man.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: asumming the AST is represented as a set of tables with foreign key relationships, each table representing a production rule in the grammar
trinque: other such logic, producing a result
gabriel_laddel: trinque: could you rephrase "take the ast of a view against one table"