punkman: plaintext codes have their place
assbot: Find the originating tweet
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/aa075b09e01a54c45fd04bc72b13410b/tumblr_mxawg3UON21t1tru2o2_400.gif
mircea_popescu: this is the result of this ill conceived "you can do anything" trend applied to business.
mircea_popescu: srsly. this is the tech company. gurlz are all "oh poor them" and shit. it's like beating up the mentally retarded.
mircea_popescu: (hint : previous time it stopped working, they rejected based on agent string)
mircea_popescu: soooo... since i was looking at the fetlife stuff, i discovered the scrapper had stopped working
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the torturous logic involved... srsly, 15k paid accounts ?
mircea_popescu: "a total of 15,495 accounts were identified as having premium FetLife memberships and that Male doms make up far and away the largest proportion of FetLifes [paying] customer base, accounting for 3,452 (22.28%) of the total customer accounts identified."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: ;;later tell bingoboingo your pino rooster didn't deliver the goods, i ended up betting on mayweather at the last moment :P
mircea_popescu: similarly the entertainment racket creates the superficial chumpatronic appearance that some chicks "have it easy"
asciilifeform: and certain folks who imagine that they could suck that teat while doing $theirthing instead of penning treatises re: checking privilege etc. - envy academics
asciilifeform: the academia racket does create a superficial chumpatronic appearance that some folks are 'paid to think'
mircea_popescu: go do something useful, so your thoughts may be worth thinking in the first place.
asciilifeform: for the record, when i first encountered green ('07 ?) i definitely had sympathy for the 'someone ought to pay me to think, fuck the world' thing, until i figure out what she intended to 'think' -about-
asciilifeform: partly because, for a serious crackpot, to avoid going entirely off the rails, it is helpful to know what the rails look like.
mircea_popescu: see, shoulda got the ecc variant
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to be fair, it was a flashlight with some basic state - was the kind that is to switch itself on when mains socket it is kept charging in fails
mircea_popescu: Oxford Forum's aim is to expand into an independent college cum university which would generate and publish research in several areas including philosophy, economics, the psychology and physiology of perception, and theoretical physics.
mircea_popescu: The reason Dr Green is not a salaried academic is partly because her ideas are out of sympathy with the prevailing intellectual climate, but also because her education was ruined. A child prodigy, she was the victim of a hostile state education system, and an unsympathetic college when she was an undergraduate at Oxford. She is uniquely suited to doing research, and could be making significant progress in several areas
mircea_popescu: "Dr Green currently holds no salaried academic position, a situation her associates regard as profoundly anomalous and unjust. One of the purposes of Oxford Forum is to reinstate her in the academic world."
decimation: he said recently a sea change has come with kids coming out of school; they want to specify massive cpu, memory for very simple micro-controllers so they can run java
mircea_popescu: https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/planets_in_the_4th_dimension/ << ok i must confess this is a kickass theory.
decimation: asciilifeform: I have a friend who is an old graybeard EE, been working on actual circuitry since the 80's
asciilifeform: decimation: visit an electronics store and prepare to have brain come out of ears. i've had flashlights that -crashed.- i drive a car with a -buggy- thermostat controller. (made 12 yrs ago, too. the rot began long ago.)
decimation: asciilifeform: my hp48 was doing tons of processing under the hood, would never delay or have a 'boot time'
decimation: actually lcds are worse in nearly ever respect other than power draw
mircea_popescu: bout the size of a biscuit. same thicknes throughout
assbot: The Metatechnical Cabinet - Privileg 861-M-NC / Litronix 1721R ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYPXTf )
assbot: Monty Python - Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk (Miss). - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYPPmA )
mircea_popescu: 10 more if it's built from the ground up with anything in mind.
mircea_popescu: 10 points for beginning the description of your theory by saying how long you have been working on it. (10 more for emphasizing that you worked on your own.)
asciilifeform notices the resemblance to 'elektronika' series
asciilifeform: but he is the single most articulate dissector of it, of the ones in my library, and so i pick him.
decimation: "Application development, thus, will soon require no programmers. An analyst or manager will specify the requirements by interacting with a sophisti- cated development system, and the computer will do the rest: “There is a major revolution happening in software and system design.... The revolution is the replacement of manual design and coding with automated design and coding.”Ñ "
asciilifeform: tbh weizenbaum is in no sense the originator of the 'mega-computerized bureaucracy will crush all souls' meme
mircea_popescu: pretty much all of the us consists of john smiths, rewriting the bible in their own name.
mircea_popescu: i wish to meet these people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presumably the particular crackpot meant 'those who decide what is written' rather than the worker bees
mircea_popescu: yeah. the powerful software elite is out there crushing its cessna in irs tax offices.
asciilifeform: it somehow grates the ear less coming out of a broke schizo than a fella like lanier
decimation: yeah this guy seems to be derping that the 'software elites' have seized control and are starving the masses
decimation: "The mechanistic software beliefs, in particular, have permitted a powerful software elite to arise. In just a few decades, organizations that have in fact little to offer us have attained so much power that they practically control society. As we will see in the course of this book, their power rests almost entirely on mechanistic software delusions, and on the stupidity engendered by these delusions."
asciilifeform: decimation: to some of these folks, the beige and black that pc chassis traditionally come in is the conspiracy
mircea_popescu: "that likes to write in the third person"
asciilifeform: decimation: the realization that software and computing in general as it exists is deeply and profoundly retarded, dawned on many people
mircea_popescu: well the software factory is definitel yretarded.
decimation: well, he is also melding the idea that the 'software factory' model is retarded into this
asciilifeform: they have more of a 'bad is privilege' thing
asciilifeform: (summary: science is broken because, among other things, no one will give green a tenured mega-sinecure to study telepathy)
decimation: yes, another quote: "Along with the mechanistic myth, our elites too have turned from good to 24 the mechanistic myth introduction bad. The elites defend the mechanistic myth because it is through this belief that they hold their privileged position."
mircea_popescu: decimation someone here had written the algorithm for that.
asciilifeform: basic pattern, as in linked thread, folks see a problem. (typically, one that requires a certain amount of societal programming failing to anchor in the brain, or having been dislodged in one way or another) but do not have the constructive abilities to see anything but 'remove the cia microwave horn from the neighbour's balcony' as solution space
decimation: the vast majority of books are selling used for $0.01
decimation: I was thinking about the quantity of language as I was going through my books today. amazon has an app that lets you scan a book - even just the cover picture - and it will instantly return the price
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 17:50:39; mircea_popescu: in a "consumer driven" ideas market... the "ideas" will look like the derps.
decimation: apparently he's just another shanonizer
decimation: " But programming is a new human endeavour, and the software charlatans gained control of our software-related affairs, and restricted them, before we could discover all possible alternatives – all the ways that human minds can find to create and use software. Software controlled by an elite is the only software we have ever had, so we cannot know what we have lost."
decimation: "We are aware of lost alternatives only if we once had them. If we had to abandon words, for example, and restrict ourselves to ready-made sentences and ideas, we would immediately recognize the dramatic impoverishment in language-related processes."
mircea_popescu: that everything can be put into a tree is a trivial bit of graph theory.
decimation: "In this book we are concerned with one particular myth – the mechanistic myth; and we are especially concerned with its latest manifestation – the software myth. Mechanism is the belief that everything can be represented as a hierarchical structure; that is, as a structure of things within things."
mircea_popescu: all it takes practically is to break it once, then it's broken.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118731 << the thing is, it's not even may yet. it's going to be a painful summer. that place's slowly but surely becoming ungovernable, and with the extreme frailty of the jit style they deployed everywhere... there's little if any redundancy.
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2015 22:59:54; Ralph: Waiting for my payout on the "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" bet so I can bet the Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.
assbot: Thai Airways 787 Dreamliner Landing w/ Focus on the RAM Air Turbine @ KPAE Paine Field - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dE27oo )
decimation: yes, indeed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tXobY4ZWbc < a video of the 787 landing with the ram air turbine (pop out windmill) deployed
decimation: althought in the case of the 787 I think it lacks hydraulics, so it would take a fair bit of power to move the electric controls
williamdunne: >3 — Patrol Wagon: Those who were arrested were cuffed and piled into large armored patrol wagons. In our vehicle, men were all together in the back. Women were in single cells or double cells. We waited in the vehicle for over 2 hours without moving until they had filled it to their liking (we ended up with 12 people). The last two people who were arrested were not even part of the protests, they w
gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user Ralph: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=Ralph | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Ralph | Rated since: never
Ralph: I'm betting on a draw. The fix is in, Vegas wants a rematch.
Ralph: I don't mean to nag, but I don't know what's holding up the payout. Looks like the bitcoins for the payout are just sitting here --> 1QJRejN99TYnk8Ctae1ZxtMhmrgRqs6bPF
williamdunne: When does the fight start?
Ralph: It would work, but the betting address is only open for 3 days, so it would be a bad idea.
Ralph: Waiting for my payout on the "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" bet so I can bet the Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.
jurov: !up WolfGoethe
scoopbot_revived: News! The case for the Salvation Army in downtown Edmonton. URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/02/the-case-for-the-salvation-army-in-downtown-edmonton/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and when you do the invoice in this one, plz also convert the pesos i left behind, supposing those still were worth something.
scoopbot_revived: News! A brief history of the Bitcoin Foundation's activity from 10/2014 through 4/2015 URL: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/02_a-brief-history-of-the-bitcoin-foundations-activity-from-102014-through-42015.html
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2015 19:11:43; mircea_popescu: cazalla who in the us ~doesn't~ face 20 years in jail, i wish to know. it's what that country is predicated on, by now. "i am a us citizen and i face twenty years in jail three times before breakfast. i hope they give us marmelade today".
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118614 <<< hang about, i thought they faced the hangman's noose, not 20 years
hanbot: <jurov> https://mobile.twitter.com/kellyoxford/status/481497873461161987 hanbot, you're married then? << hah, as though i could hear anyone over the roar of my own kvetching
asciilifeform: davout: the generator thing was in boeing's 787 machine, not airbus ?
assbot: How Does Alexa Track Traffic – Do They Really Have a Grasp of Your Traffic? - Ways to Avoid SCAMS Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPzy0I )
mircea_popescu: http://waystoavoidscamsonline.com/how-does-alexa-track-traffic-do-they-really-have-a-grasp-of-your-traffic << check it out, random webkid with a dream.
mircea_popescu: that's the idea.
mircea_popescu: the idea here is that payments clear across a continent as if they would in the home market.
mircea_popescu: uk is roughly the size of a chickenshit.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: No, they didn't
Pierre_Rochard: Or nationalize Visa and ACH and make them free & instant, which is what I would do if I was in charge of keeping the USbezzle going
mircea_popescu: "economy of scale" is simply one item in the shanonizer.
Pierre_Rochard: williamdunne: one handwave in south america can cause a hurricane in florida. that’s the theory right?
williamdunne: They just have more money
mircea_popescu: im really enjoying the qntra comment section.
mircea_popescu: you don't understand, "The State will use economies of scale to make the bitcoin network too expensive/impossible to use."
Pierre_Rochard: god forbid one should have to hire a DBA they trust
williamdunne: Also equally lulzy "its like a ***sql database, but uses the exact opposite of concurrency, has high latency, and low throughput"
Pierre_Rochard: insofar as they’re distracting the bezzlers, I see it as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bodyguard
Pierre_Rochard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118591 < yup, I’m hoping all of the “blockchain database tech”/“smart contracts”/etc crud gets funneled away from Bitcoin and into $chumpatron
mircea_popescu: hopefully the pilots brought flap actuator batteries and whatnot
davout: I'm not an expert in the field, yet, but maybe what's meant by "failsafe" is: "it's better to shut power down than to somehow explode inflight"
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2015 14:14:00; danielpbarron: "If the four main generator control units (associated with the engine-mounted generators) were powered up at the same time, after 248 days of continuous power, all four GCUs will go into failsafe mode at the same time, resulting in a loss of all AC electrical power regardless of flight phase." << apparently due to an integer overflow (248 days == 2^31 * 1/100 seconds)
mircea_popescu: cazalla who in the us ~doesn't~ face 20 years in jail, i wish to know. it's what that country is predicated on, by now. "i am a us citizen and i face twenty years in jail three times before breakfast. i hope they give us marmelade today".
mircea_popescu: as a result, the countless shanonizers are inches away from reproducing shakespeare.
mircea_popescu: the social studies million army may well be useless, but it is not in point of fact idle. the important difference is that while the printing presses of money are run as fast as they can run but by a central authority, the printing presses of discourse are run in overdrive independently.
assbot: Male Submission Art - And Then God Said, "Let There Be The Perfect... ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCZQEE )
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2015 02:34:08; *: asciilifeform just ran into this ancient piece, http://cultureandempire.wikidot.com/page:ch03-p4 (from somewhere in mircea_popescu's www) and marvels at the 'borges's chinese encyclopaedia' surreal perversity of it all
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118446 << if you want more, there's a never ending, teeming underground sea of the same thing. like, for instance : http://malesubmissionart.com/post/113014006426/and-then-god-said-let-there-be-the-perfect
mircea_popescu: the beauty of the free market is that it doesn't require intelligent participants, nor does it allow governance.
mircea_popescu notices in the churned "social media" data that "address reuse" has gone from "unanimity" to "most people recommend" "in most cases".
trinque: tonight I'm going to work on it belching the deed URLs into chan when published, and I think that about wraps up the spec
mircea_popescu: williamdunne you might have to change scoopbot_revived to a new key then associate the old one to the nerw nic
williamdunne: Just made some changes though, checks if connected in main loop rather than by doing it with an event
trinque: !up in pm takes whoever you are at the moment
davout: not sure your IRC nick needs to be the same as your wot nick
williamdunne: Can I change the name associated with Scoop's GPG key?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I don't know for sure, but it happened a lot before I even started using #b-a. Wifi connection drops and then I reconnect it and all is good
davout: just do it, i'd bet the connection will stop dropping
trinque: dude's in the WoT
trinque: -run the thing I gave you forever-
trinque: runit is the only service supervisor thing I've encountered that *does the right thing by default*
davout: (irc_connected? || connect_irc!) && (is_up? || up!) <<< the ruby way :D
trinque: the thing rules
williamdunne: That is the exact logic I used
williamdunne: Thats what the function is meant to do
assbot: Logged on 23-04-2015 13:00:22; mircea_popescu: williamdunne : btcalpha.com btctrading.wordpress.com cascadianhacker.com contravex.com devilsadvocate.biz explo.yt fr.anco.is www.loper-os.org pankkake.headfucking.net qntra.net blog.spagni.net thedrinkingrecord.com thestringpuller.tumbler.com thewhet.net trilema.com
davout: mircea_popescu williamdunne do we have an authoritative list of the feeds somwhere?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-05-2015#1118214 << and the prize for this year's least useful error report goes to...
assbot: US aviation authority: Boeing 787 software bug could cause 'loss of control' | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9VND7 )
assbot: BSDCan2014: Porting OpenBSD on the MIPS64-based Octeon Platforms ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQCRl6 )
decimation: seems like this page indicates that the octeon sdk is under us export control, which kills the port http://www.bsdcan.org/2014/schedule/events/480.en.html
decimation: I don't see any updates on the openbsd octeon port
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 17:35:46; ascii_field: it's rather like those baobab-like trees in buenos aires
asciilifeform just ran into this ancient piece, http://cultureandempire.wikidot.com/page:ch03-p4 (from somewhere in mircea_popescu's www) and marvels at the 'borges's chinese encyclopaedia' surreal perversity of it all
mircea_popescu: (and so is bitcoin-otc.com's. these together make probably 90%+ of our inbound links atm)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> specifically from ^ ? << sure, seeing how his link is also to the same source.
asciilifeform: 'this sofa has six kinds of bedbug, let's burn it in the furnace' ?
mircea_popescu: but in practical terms, they're really not useful for anything else.
mircea_popescu: the idea itself is dumb, fundamentally. actual employees would have other shit to do.
mircea_popescu: http://www.everyonesocial.com/ << this is actually one of the least stupid web start-ups.
asciilifeform: for the record, on aws it averaged out to approx. 1 usd / day.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/e183dfb308f3cc02a97edbdb644567fb/tumblr_n5y8em4FJv1rl9p9mo1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: must be the cpanel.
mircea_popescu: what the hell is with that thing. am i fundamentally misunderstanding something here ?
asciilifeform: the only 'else' is meatspace/out-of-band shenanigans, yes.
mircea_popescu: and note that while it makes sense ot have a b-a keyserver (and it's beinbg made), THAT item will do exactly the same curl stuff.
asciilifeform: from my point of view - yes, tested. from mike_c's www - they are wot data
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but these are being tested, not used
asciilifeform: not that it matters, really, if sks lies about some random derp's key. it is a typical 'shakespeare's works were not written by shakespeare but by another man of the same name' non-problem.
asciilifeform: they're fucking -public- keys
decimation: with other servers of its kind
asciilifeform: decimation: in general, there really oughta be more out of band key exchange.
mircea_popescu: from the example he gave : http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E translates directly to http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFD5A63B9EAC2A55E
asciilifeform: because there is no physically possible way to determine what subkey ought to be asked from sks et al, for that particular pubkeyblock hash
asciilifeform: but it is important to remember that 'keys' (in the customary sense) are indexed by the (garbage) hash of the -whole key- rather than fp - because it is actually subkeys that have fp's, rather than 'keys' (as in, what folks typically paste in)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has a good point tho, rather than 404, it should attempt to curl the keyservers and gobble.
asciilifeform: mike_c: here's my problem... mircea_popescu: mike_c i can see it... << working on it. or rather, will be, as soon as i finish writing my broadcast for april
mircea_popescu: nobody stil ldoes plain cgi do they ?
mircea_popescu: note the split too :
decimation: Your site is probably auto-targeted. I bet the bot herder's scripts rank websites
mircea_popescu: and these have to be amateurs. there's just no way someone can afford to go through 30k 404s that each costs 20kb
decimation: are they all poking at that recent bug?
mircea_popescu: terrabytes worth. because trilema soft 404s, and the idiots have nfi how to script.
mircea_popescu: that's the log for TODAY. 1MBps, for HOURS, with this crap.
mircea_popescu: in other news, this is how "wordpress vulnerability day" looks like :
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: ;;later tell pete_dushenski minicom ought to work in osx. did you see this page? http://pbxbook.com/other/mac-tty.html
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: ;;later tell mats I fixed the bug and added a better 'user not found' page. thx again.
mike_c: I overheard the other day that there was a dislike for newer versions of gpg. has anyone written up a blog post or something about why?
mircea_popescu: srsly ? who the fuck is kelly oxford.
mike_c: Ideally? It's a fingerprint search. So if it misses, I would have it search sks for the fingerprint and show a page asking if you'd like to add that key.
mike_c: ah, so many fewer misses? yeah, there's no rush
mircea_popescu: mike_c i can see it. which is why i kept pushing for the processing. the idea being that we have ~2mn keys which asciilifeform is going to have the machine cut through like tonight.
jurov: https://mobile.twitter.com/kellyoxford/status/481497873461161987 hanbot, you're married then?
cazalla: yeah, it's fkn old now but ripe for passing off as new to the young ones
cazalla: enough time has passed that you could show today's kids "tokyo breakfast" for the lulz
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, the bald eagle is an anachronism the cuckoo is the us symbol. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Reed_warbler_cuckoo.jpg
mircea_popescu: r*cism, d*mocratic, eq*ality and i guess r*ights. shit there's two r words.
mircea_popescu: or the d word, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: kinda how the fetlife derps got all twisted about "rape". omagawd our consent was violated by other people using words without asking for permission!!1
mircea_popescu: nude exercise of power, obviously. if fuctard gets you to not say a word, the reason doesn't matter. what matters is the fact that you're now doing what he's tellin' you to.
mircea_popescu: ie, only the derpington post thinks so.
mircea_popescu: for the record, saying nigger and racism are about as related as saying synergy and making a profit.
mike_c: mats: thanks for the bug report. will be fixed soon.
mats: mike_c: some unexpected behavior with your web wot thing: when searching with the input 'Chillum', a corresponding drop-down option appears, and when i click 'View User', it directs me to 'http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/', a 404. when I click the option in the drop-down combo box, I'm directed to 'http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Chillum', also a 404
ascii_field: ^ the very same
Adlai: didn't that happen to the chemist's son?
ascii_field: chillum 'was a chemist, but now he is no more; for what he thought was h2o, was h2so4.' or the like.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mthreat might want to resync the search?
kakobrekla: ascii_field i guess the search is out of sync
gribble: Chillum was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 50 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Chillum> I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2015 02:23:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg.
davout: danielpbarron: does that mean there could be a way to auto-setup pogos by plugging them to an ethernet cable and turning them on ?
mod6: the correct pogo to order is the Series 4 with the maroon/red colored logo on the front right?
jurov: in the eu, would be fun to see people trying to use it with 2500w hair dryers and vacuum machines(especially these tend to make nasty power spikes)
mats: after the tesla driver wins, he plugs it in and fills the bed with pumps, chemicals, water... and heads off to a client's home for a carpet cleaning gig
mats: tesla truck and f-250 at the starting line on a track, both tethered to a stack of shipping containers
mats: i can already imagine the advertisements --
mircea_popescu: the us market was so bad even toyota could sell there. it hasn't improved since the 70s.