trinque: "look we're going to centralize breathing. breathing is now banned; the central govt will breathe for you"
mircea_popescu: it's very subtle, the quality, but for this reason valuable. not aggresing sanity and common sense is worth a heck of a lot more than "making it work"
mircea_popescu: people who have no idea how to code go by the "well it works". this guy actually codes by "well this is how it should go"
trinque: mircea_popescu: indeed, seems they will try (and fail) to implement components of the republic in the style of massive government
mircea_popescu: no but seroiusly, lemme tell you - he wrote that phuctor thing, it's like 500 lines, and so sanely laid out i could go in there and understand what it does and how to modify it within ~5 minutes.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you're the worstbest thing that ever happened to ascii_field
mircea_popescu: poor ascii_field and the shit im sticking him in ;/
mircea_popescu: <trinque> seems when the US disintegrates it'll be chinese totalitarianism the world has to endure next << the price for vanity is rape. that's what the derps in the sec thinking they;re above doing what i tell you to do are doing toi themselves ; that's what the derps thinking theyre "vcs" and not humbling coming in here are doing for themselves.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> anyway i fixed the twitter parser - its not working now. all back to normal. << win
trinque: there needs to be a term for that
trinque: Without such a mechanism doing business in China is risky, she stresses, as about half of the signed contracts are not kept. 'Especially given the speed of the digital economy it is crucial that people can quickly verify each other's creditworthiness.' << wearing a deer-skin and calling yourself bambi
mircea_popescu: i mean on occasion, to lol at the hopresident
assbot: The economics of sinking 20 MB Gavincoin blocks. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKN9UI )
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: yup, http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/11/the-economics-of-sinking-20-mb-gavincoin-blocks/ and http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/
mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> anyway, i don't think they will be able to make lying about your age a violation. << should be funny if they do... fill the jail up with 29 yo women.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: "“More transactions means more bandwidth and CPU and storage cost, and more cost means increased centralization because fewer people will be able to afford that cost.” << isn't the rebuttal to that on your blog?
pete_dushenski: but how else do you manage a billion plus without reducing them to ones and zeroes ?
pete_dushenski: chicom thing's not a wot, no, but rather a bizarre quantification of fleisch
trinque: seems when the US disintegrates it'll be chinese totalitarianism the world has to endure next
kakobrekla: anyway i fixed the twitter parser - its not working now. all back to normal.
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: well, as fluid as the author in any event.
funkenstein_: now I am trying to catch up, but it seems the form itself is still somewhat fluid
funkenstein_: the base fact that words were being strung together to convey meaning had somehow escaped me
funkenstein_: anyway, i don't think they will be able to make lying about your age a violation.
funkenstein_: but some people either think deception is part and parcel of courtship, or perhaps just get off on it.
mircea_popescu: how about she is affixed to a whipping post in front of the town church for two weeks, for being a disgusting nag and a total stereotypist ?
mircea_popescu: davout anyway, nothing in that piece makes me think this is anything but a very sad drama, of an old man who is being rejected merely for being old, and is forced to live in a society where random woman (who is no spring chicken either, "une trentaine my foot") can send him to prison arbitrarily.
davout: "monkeys are our (rather distant) cousins, not our uncles or something." <<< "l'homme descend du singe, sauf pour certains, qui y remontent"
mats: additionally, the yuan is the unit, and renminbi is the currency, so it would not be correct to use that construction "every dollar, every renminbi, ..."
mircea_popescu: hopefully i get to drink champagne off a chick's tits at the ceremony where an 80yo gets a major prize for this advance.
mircea_popescu: but the idea that any fiat-oriented economics is essentially studying fart flow is sound, and yes it's all a matter of diffusion.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: well if you intend to it can go into the list. but do you ?
mircea_popescu: "Bob: Don't worry, we factored that into our budget after they upped Avagadro's number in China last year."
mircea_popescu: they couldn't really tell, between bubonic plague and malaria and everything else the "better" social arrangements blessed them with.
mircea_popescu: but this aside, yes scurvy - and to a much larger degree pellagra - were endemic and major qol reducers up until very recently. one of the many "blessings" of agrarian settlement.
mircea_popescu: if you think about it - they could have used say dried figs, if it was ~fruitness~ specifically.
mircea_popescu: no, because you can get vitamin c out of all sorts of other sources.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ for the record, no fruit was part of the human diet for the longest time (until the persians actually invented fruit - which is exactly what they did)
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ that's kind-oif the point here. all sorts of fraud available to people trying to push pseudo-anthropology agendas. like for instance people don't readily understand just how huge the genetic and paleohistoric gap between us and chimps is.
mircea_popescu: same is true of humans, and like in the case of those rats (and most other mammals), the alternatives are extinct
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the 10mn years thing : the oldest split that created the rat (murines) as different from other rodents is about 13mn years ago.
mircea_popescu: facultative rather than obligate, but anyway
mircea_popescu: it's unclear we're "frugivores". humans altogether seem carnivores.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the split is what, 10mn year old.
funkenstein_: it's a good point, all species have evolved the same amount of time
mircea_popescu: monkeys are our (rather distant) cousins, not our uncles or something.
mircea_popescu: you will have to bear in mind that all hominid species other than us are extinct. this isn't some sort of direct lineage, as the layman often imagines.
funkenstein_: mircea_popescu: no matter what happens, it's still not going to be relevant to the human behaviour. <-- I may not be a monkey but I am a primate
mircea_popescu: "It is still unhealthy to breathe in and smells very bad!" dude srsly, sweden is on euro 4. you can't even tell it exhausts something.
mircea_popescu: " How much does it cost to fill up at home," << are these people fucking retarded ?
mircea_popescu: "We asked if the constant sound of the engine -that frankly disturbed us from being able to listen to the radio- could be turned off. But it couldnt. Very distracting."
pete_dushenski: still, some funny lines in there. good find mats !
pete_dushenski: "Avoiding that one hundred kilo iron lump in the front of the car makes it so much easier to build safe cars." << yes, because road-going zeppelins are the pinnacle of automotive safety. lol.
mircea_popescu: (you hafta add c after the number if you mean bytes. because that's logically neither the default nor is anything wrong with ignoring b silently)
mircea_popescu: in "the glory of linux", chapter eleventy billion : find . -size 1258 finds nothing. find . -size 1267 finds nothing. find . -size -64 finds all the 1258 and 1267 byte files the previous two didn't find.
pete_dushenski: ah well in that case... burn the witch!
mircea_popescu: that she's even got the nerve to set foot outof the house is very reminiscent of that horvath character.
pete_dushenski: "Police in Texas killed two men who opened fire on a security officer outside a contest to draw cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, the Associated Press reported." << hahaha a muhammad drawing *contest* !! you just know that's going to lead to fireworks.
pete_dushenski: or the woman that was thrown in the fire when it was clear that the building was going down and the firefighters were no longer of any use
mircea_popescu: the woman that sunk hp.
pete_dushenski: of course, neither fembot made it to this upcoming election, which just so happens to be tomorrow.
pete_dushenski: this exact same fembot v. fembot routine played out in alberta over the last 3 years.
assbot: A swimming pool of idle tears won’t spare the affirmative action fallguy. She’s still the canary. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1dI7TW9 )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/17/a-swimming-pool-of-idle-tears-wont-spare-the-affirmative-action-fallguy-shes-still-the-canary/ link correction
pete_dushenski: hell, come to think of it, she inspired the whole damned piece.
pete_dushenski: somehow carla didn't end up mentioned in this article 2014/12/17/a-swimming-pool-of-idle-tears-wont-spare-the-affirmative-action-fallguy-shes-still-the-canary/ but she was definitely in mind when writing it.
pete_dushenski: "As the only woman likely to run for president as a Republican, Carly Fiorina, who officially announced her candidacy Monday, is the GOP’s counterweight to Hillary Clinton." << o hey look what the dead dog of silicon valley dragged in.
mircea_popescu: iirc the pr bit specifically disclaimed any gs investment in bitcoin
mike_c: i guess they haven't read mp's "you're too late" post
mike_c: "it looks like Goldman Sachs wants to get in on the ground floor."
mircea_popescu: i know when russel told me that fairness was invented during the crusades, i fucking quoted him by the name on my blog.
mircea_popescu: then you can talk to it about "anthropologists" and not name any.
mircea_popescu: maybe you know, random idiots who failed in academia and took to the internet with their dog and pony "scientific" show did this FOR A REASON,
mircea_popescu: and the monkey is going "fuck you bitch" quite literally at the experimenter, whom it (wrongly) perceives as a monkey of the same age and sex.
davout: i'd tend to think that if this was envy, the first monkey would eat the cucumber, and then express some sort of anger at the experimenter, but yeah, what do i know, i'm not a monkey, at least, most of the time
mircea_popescu: for all you know snakes are wise and the world rests on turtles.
mircea_popescu: the animal doesn't go "you know bob, this is un-sjw!!1". it goes "fuck you bitch!"
mircea_popescu: for that matter, envy is what's at work there, not "fairness".
mircea_popescu: yeah. we also thought the color red was unique to staplers, perhaps.
mircea_popescu: and inasmuch as a "animal fairness" is not in common use, calling that fairness is really not unlike calling the guy cunthead.
davout: maybe fairness is meant in a broader sense than "the human notion of fairness"
davout: animals can not display "the human notion of X", by definition
mircea_popescu: yes, i understand that cunts run perl and people on the internet posing as scientists with their "experiment" consisting of a two monkey show use cunts for brains
mircea_popescu: no matter what happens, it's still not going to be relevant to the human behaviour.
mircea_popescu: therein depicted is some monkey behaviour.
mircea_popescu: animals fuck, that doesn't mean animals display "the human notion of love". they display the animal notion of love.
davout: "fairness, invented during the french revolution"
mircea_popescu: anyway, "fairness" is not involved there.
davout: 60 year-old ugly dude seduced women over the internet using fake profile pictures, has sex with lots of them by inviting them to get laid in the dark while blindfolded
pete_dushenski: maybe a better suggestion than the one above will materialise in my dreams. off to find out!
pete_dushenski: i'm quite intrigued by the question.
pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2015/that-scary-thing/#comment-114039 << my take on the parsimony vs. decentralisation question
asciilifeform: but other than this - sure
asciilifeform: the jets were designed, it seems, by germans (naturally) under peron
mircea_popescu: before shitheadism/peronism/populism, argentina was a major world power.
mircea_popescu: when's the last time the bulk of the news about a major find consists of various scams ?
mircea_popescu: re that 3,658 views youtube : them riots aren't as notable as a minor football game.
mircea_popescu: "we're gonna pretend like we got oil because it's the next best thing to actually going to work"
decimation: according to the conservative heritage foundation, obama's people can't help themselves by stirring up shit in argentina http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/03/the-united-states-should-recognize-british-sovereignty-over-the-falkland-islands
decimation: asciilifeform: in the context of the time, the us was probably worried about strengthening the cause of pro-soviet 'rebels' in south america
assbot: Riots in Buenos Aires after Argentina lost the Falklands War - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qdxl3I )
decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck < "The attacking Vulcan was refuelled seven times on the outward journey and once on the return journey. "
decimation: yes, this led to amusing stunts on behalf the brits, since they barely had an air force/navy/army on their own
asciilifeform: technically met the conditions
asciilifeform wishes the ar folks luck in sinking that annoying naturally-occurring aircraft carrier currently infested with nato
decimation: add professional 'protestors' as another side-effect of social democracy
asciilifeform heard much the same rhythm near $hotel, professional 'protest' derps dropped by bus and marched around to it
asciilifeform: those drums in the background
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://youtu.be/B1TI7aqgfyk?t=2m2s << putin promised ar oil&gas exploration of 'largest deposit in south america', war machines incl. fighter jets, and - in the segment linked, to jurov's certain delight - a sp. lang. version of 'rt'.
decimation: according to the wiki only two full Stukas exist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87
decimation: most of the parts are replicas hand-built to fit
decimation: yeah I recently visited a workshop where they rebuild wwii aircraft
decimation: it's big business to sell the parts to folks who want to 'restore' old aircraft
decimation: apparently the us collectors go adventuring in various backward islands in oceania where planes were crashed/buried/etc
decimation: asciilifeform: highly likely to be scavanged and sold to the collector's market for parts
decimation: or rather than gdp, total corporate revenue
decimation: It would be interesting to see an index which divides the us gdp by the aggregate spending on lawyers, marketing, and accountancy
mircea_popescu: everyone else just contributes to costs! the ad industry contributes to revenue!!11
mircea_popescu: but how many of them are cat litter ?
felipelalli: what should be the first result in this case in your opinion?
mircea_popescu: if they pick results by hand they get results picked by hand. if they try to "algorithm" they get OWNED by the seo spammers.
mircea_popescu: in other news, google is a piece of shit.
hanbot: there we go. thanks all!
mircea_popescu: anyway, more on point : i'm cooking up the advertising plan for eulora since it's about to come out. i intend to run it basically on a charitable basis, run ads on linux-dedicated stuffs that seem reasonable. if any of you got a place that fits feel free to send me a note.
mircea_popescu: Revenues for the full year of 2014 increased 16% over 2013.
mircea_popescu: decimation meanwhile in lalaland, http://www.iab.net/media/file/IAB_Internet_Advertising_Revenue_FY_2014.pdf "Internet advertising revenues (revenues) in the United States totaled $49.5 billion for the full year of 2014, with
trinque: doesn't verify with that bit removed either
mircea_popescu: hanbot "Bets resolved from earlier placing periods: 1123, 1108, 1119, 803 " wtf is shit doing past the sig
asciilifeform: you could probably smelt aluminum in there and nobody'd notice.
trinque: meanwhile the old one verifies by hand
mircea_popescu: not that many houses one block away from the topological city centre
asciilifeform: let me guess - can get 20 of them, and move around ?
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> wtf do these people eat. << kimchi?
asciilifeform: <decimation> asciilifeform: is there a gpg keyserver that just holds pubkeys, dumps on request? << the sks servs dump, but in this mega-blob format where you get ~25MB of continuous gpg binary packet
mircea_popescu: how, pray tell ? and what exactly is the only hope of revenue for fb, twitter and the whole rest of em ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: my understanding is that the sks servers aggressively share keys
trinque: the particular key signing that doc needs to be added to deedbot by a WoT member
trinque: keys are added the same way
trinque: hanbot: does it have the key that signed that yet?
trinque: just .txt at the end
trinque: hanbot: needs the text only url
decimation: I suspect the gpg mafia has a political stand on that point
decimation: I can see a definite use case for people who just want a simple keyserver for themselves, but don't want to join the worldwide gpg mob
mircea_popescu: wtf do these people eat.
mircea_popescu: two days ago, i got them up because it smelled like a gas leak. turns out... they had takeout.
decimation: asciilifeform: is there a gpg keyserver that just holds pubkeys, dumps on request?
mircea_popescu: in the above form.
mats: do they even generate revenue?
felipelalli: Blockchain for the people! :]
Adlai has started research on a potential article, and would like to confirm that effort isn't wasted, or at the very least ,collaborate
Adlai: but it's land of the scam. on the topic of which, is there some dibs mechanism for qntrarticles?
Adlai: (rare exception to the above)
Adlai: mircea_popescu: anything seems dead via youtube, or its moral equiv. let's talk after they tour b-as
Adlai is listening to: Tatran - The Utilitarian (2:28)
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/1ea44b17eb4bd24fad08a6d8be2a7933/tumblr_mpwxdoKMIA1rwmba9o1_500.gif >> check the chick out. she's all indignant but doesn't move a muscle to stop it.
asciilifeform often experiences mindfuck in u.s. (and argentinian!) 'antique' shops on account of recognizing various objects (razors, furniture, bakelite phones, kitchen junk, etc.) from his childhood (which took place in a technologically and crapflationarily-behind by three or four decades part of the globe)
Adlai: asciilifeform: fella old enough to father WoT nodes
Adlai: this is the beauty of relativity
mircea_popescu: more like, we're stuck either stepping in dogshit or standing on the shoulders of monkeys.
asciilifeform: 'if i did not see as far as others, it is because midgets stood on my shoulders' (tm)
mircea_popescu: other than fucking everything up.
mircea_popescu: incredible. and the 50 years' worth of very useful dweebs pulling on their collective half inch worth of foreskin did what exactly ?
asciilifeform: spittoon theorem.
mircea_popescu: you mean to tell me if we intend to use any FOSS thing the way that'll happen is if we write it first ?
asciilifeform: because, it seems that in the course of this opera, we are setting up one sks key server
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no listen, so you construct the db, then have gpg spit out the list of fingerprints, then query it over that list. produces pubkyes.
assbot: Recovering Bitcoin private keys using weak signatures from the blockchain / Nils Schneider ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8wK24 )
assbot: Logged on 03-05-2015 22:31:27; mircea_popescu: get al txn (in the unpruned tree), group by address, see which actuyally exposed the ke
assbot: Logged on 03-05-2015 22:31:27; mircea_popescu: get al txn (in the unpruned tree), group by address, see which actuyally exposed the ke
mircea_popescu: how is this a db then.
mircea_popescu: that can then presumably be iterated, being a db. right ?
asciilifeform: and then what
mircea_popescu: yes, builds a db out of the pgp pile.
asciilifeform: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/110110/list-all-gpg-pgp-keys-of-a-local-sks-key-server << other folks also pissed
mircea_popescu: " I started doing a full build, it looked like it was going to take forever so I aborted it and switched to a quickbuild. On the 4-processor machine I was using it still took in the order of 40 minutes to run so this might take a while."
mircea_popescu: WHAT IS WRON G WITH THESE PEOPLE
asciilifeform: https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current << l0l, apparently there is a real-time one.
asciilifeform: anyone knows the secret ?
mircea_popescu: you keep thinking that if you proctastinate the parts that suck they'll get done by themselves.
asciilifeform: i keep thinking gpg has the key slicer functionality built in somewhere
asciilifeform: www end is how we read the output
mircea_popescu: for the record, www was comparably irrelevant. as long as the processing was started, where exact;y the www responds... whocares.
asciilifeform: (by now mircea_popescu probably read the src and knows, approximately, how it works)
mircea_popescu: cmon, today's the day, yest was the day, day b4 yest was the day, and so on for a whole week.
asciilifeform: it really doesn't need the whole box to itself!
asciilifeform: if you wanna do the sausage slicing, feel free to start. otherwise it'll have to wait a little.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, when's the processing start!!11
mircea_popescu: actually iirc the first iteration at least, derps were warned.
mircea_popescu: get al txn (in the unpruned tree), group by address, see which actuyally exposed the ke
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Adlai is honored and begins typing up "The Idiot's Guide to Blockchain Technology"
mircea_popescu: Adlai the idea being that if you cache a link on the very place where the link is referenced, you can't have link rot because if the place is up it's up and if it's down there's no link anyway
Adlai: what are the standards for mirroring pages in qntra articles? is archive.org goodenuff?
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user yhwh to user jesus: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=yhwh&dest=jesus | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jesus | Rated since: never
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user yhwh to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=yhwh&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014
Adlai: "Few Jewish religious texts have provoked as much indignation and discomfort as the brief passage that is recited by traditional Jewish men at the beginning of the daily morning prayers: “Blessed are you, Lord, our God, ruler of the universe who has not created me a woman.” For many, it expresses a quintessential misogyny that lies at the core of our patriarchal religion."
jurov: chainsaw is the last thing i'd economize on
cazalla: from what i've read, the stihl and husqis are made in china now too, and this is for only around the backyard use
cazalla: these cheaper chinese chainsaws on ebay versus a stihl or husqi, anyone know if price diff is worth it?
davout: it deathed
scoopbot_revived: News! The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume IX URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-ix/
jurov: danielpbarron is spelt wrong and the number is misplaced
jurov: cazalla: check the qntra stmt
mircea_popescu: "Specializing in the sort of ultimate tough-guy/manly man roles that hearken back to a different era in film, Sizemore continues to be a favourite of Hollywood's greatest directors."
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 21:45:55; mircea_popescu: ascii_field there was this mildly famous gay boy of athens whose name escapes me at the moment, literally got a whole trireme detachment on unbacked promises of great pay (from persia iirc ?) and well... there they sat.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2015#1118983 << a) trivial to make the retractor always fail out ; b) it'd add all sorts of costs, most of them subjective.
davout: asciilifeform: not with gravity, that's how the retractable gear works in case of failure, pull a lever, it falls with gravity
asciilifeform: davout: what i find odd is that the modern machines have retractable windmills. retraction gear could fail.
asciilifeform: re: old thread with mats: the heads really do fly off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV-5svC6okQ
davout: asciilifeform: makes sense, wind and gravity are probably the two forces you can rely upon when airborne
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you gotta restart it for the changes to take. you can also make a spare copy of it to run locally, it is simple enough.
asciilifeform: davout: these were sop even in the days of airships: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/ZeppelinLZ127b.jpg << graf zeppelin. notice the windmill in middle-right of photo. powered radio room.
assbot: Logged on 03-05-2015 02:11:26; decimation: yes, indeed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tXobY4ZWbc < a video of the 787 landing with the ram air turbine (pop out windmill) deployed