trinque: still I think there's a lot culturally and economically in tx that's valuable
trinque: at least the power structure I understand you to be referring to
trinque: also re: Mexico their cashflow relies on USAians buying drugs, neh?
trinque: I'd like to find numbers on the agricultural situation in TX, but I know there's quite a bit of it
trinque: were there states which were more self-reliant in the SU that fared better in the aftermath?
ascii_field: su police were likewise intimidating. but this did not stop them from turning free agent when central gov. collapsed.
trinque: and that's speaking as a white male that never had much trouble with them
trinque: ascii_field: if the gangs were a real problem in TX I'd expect the population to support treating it as military action instead of policework
ascii_field: and then it asks for 7.62 rounds instead of benjies, at some point.
ascii_field: the fella in the fort doesn't get beheaded, but he will notice that the face that shows up to collect the benjies is a different color, one day, that's all.
trinque: ascii_field: I observe that there is *already* a privileged class in TX
trinque: how is this distinct from the kind of privilege often discussed here?
ascii_field: same thing they do now - ignore the reports of poor schmucks getting beheaded, and sit pretty in their forts
trinque: seems like a prime opportunity to demonstrate the failures of "give everyone a vote"
trinque: what the political response might be
trinque: what do you think the massively wealthy people living in various gated communities in tx would do?
ascii_field: there would not necessarily be a flag - just piles of skulls
ascii_field: there was an army, and police, in mexico as well
trinque: and the cops are used to dealing with well-armed gangs
ascii_field: (by some accounts, he is dead. but new one will appear. it is good fertile ground for them.)
ascii_field: the aztlan thing is not about communism. it is about how there is (allegedly) an effective chingis khan operating in mexico
ascii_field: there is also 'willing to butcher town at a time to prove point'
ascii_field: hardest-working is not the only metric
trinque: hardest-working people there are
trinque: as for the ratio of ethnic mexicans there, they're not lazy socialist ticks, that's for sure
ascii_field: where is their demographic vector pointing ?
trinque: and along the way it wouldn't surprise me for that state to grow ever-more independent of it
trinque: when the fed falls over, Texas may well secede
ascii_field: so far it runs the ancient cn algo of 'sit by the river and wait for your enemy's corpse to float by'
trinque: but unless la serenissima intends to blast off for another planet, it's going to have to pick its battles
trinque: on that point there's no disagreement.
ascii_field: to describe any kingdom where the crown is the largest economic actor in any terms other than socialist, is stark nonsense
trinque: ascii_field | american 'anti-communism' in all ages was a cartoon idiocy << not talking about mccarthy here, but the average TX business owner
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trinque: ascii_field: http://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/ << claims 10 federal employees per 1000 in tx
mats: trinque: was referring to thestringpuller's message
ascii_field: in other news, pogo blew oom at 129647.
ascii_field: what, srsly, is the next step after this idiocy, 'small blocks kill kittenz!!111!!11'
trinque: that'd be the next question
trinque: but I'd say being in a bad currency is one of the most obvious problems
thestringpuller: https://medium.com/@octskyward/the-capacity-cliff-586d1bf7715e - "Finally, a brief word about my own background for those who don’t know me. I have spent the last five years implementing Bitcoin wallets, and before that I spent nearly 8 years at Google. Three of those years were spent on the Geo Team (Maps/Earth), where I was a professional capacity planner for one of the world’s busiest websites. Just like now, capacity pl
trinque: were I in any position to do so, I'd encourage the states to pick fights with the federal govt
trinque: tons of business, and you can grab an average person off the street and get them yelling about socialism in about 5 sentences
trinque: provided the right screaming bastard to articulate it
ascii_field: trinque: it also means that if you're on the throne, you gotta pander to derps to some extent - because this is implicit in ruling a naturally-occurring herd containing both halves of the 'bell curve'
trinque: if a major war between the largest powers breaks out, there wont be much of a place to sit either
trinque: ascii_field: I understand the quote to mean that militarism is good for destroying things, not for building a place to sit, eh?
trinque: and the dirt we have is already occupied
trinque: point is they aren't making more dirt
trinque: ascii_field: worked for the communists
trinque: ascii_field: this is why I favor the idea of a capitalist political party more than some kind of conflict
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
trinque: they win.
trinque: look at the scientologists... heh
trinque: like there's gonna be some grand war of liberation
williamdunne: ascii_field: Its not the only exchange in Singapore by far, it probably was a suicide
ascii_field: it is the requisite token to even play.
trinque: every other political entity is busy playing their relationships with those big three against each other
williamdunne: ascii_field: Think the dope one has more to do with Islam
trinque: the only things big enough to meaningfully oppose nato are russia and china
williamdunne: I'd be interested in seeing what would happen if they were, off the top of my head outside of various south American shitholes I can't think of good examples of it
ascii_field: if anything, they are more eager to enforce usg dictate than usg proper
williamdunne: They basically aren't against any US rhetoric
williamdunne: Seems to be doing well, a lot of growth there and is well off compare to Malaysia,
ascii_field: letting it be known that you will wreck usg is not 'aggressive' except to usg muppet theatre
trinque: it's protecting against inward agression that's the issue
williamdunne: Don't think they are meant to be outwardly aggressive
trinque: williamdunne: doesn't seem like the chinese communists have had any trouble steamrolling hk
williamdunne: trinque: Pretty much, or at least the point of being something equivalent to Hong Kong
mod6: using 'default' just isn't the right thing.
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: what'd that ext error end up being? << i needed to add the correct AKI to the AMI created from the Volume Snapshot.
ascii_field: williamdunne et al: 'micronations' are interesting right up until you try actually using them for something (e.g., resisting usg dictate) and it gets bulldozed. so, approximately as interesting as a pistol that is guaranteed to explode in your hand.
ascii_field: 'In the proposed channel, the voice call throughput was entirely occupied in order to convey covert information, and it achieved a throughput of 13 bps...' << l0l lamers
ascii_field: mats: not off the top of my head, but idea was same ('speechification' modem for using stock gsm chipsets on arbitrary bits)
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: I think they're not stopping anyone doing anything, just doing passports or summin
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: But closed in which direction? If I recall they blocked people from leaving croatia... May be recalling wrong
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Has Croatia bullied them yet? All I've seen is the border closed which seems sane if its a separate country
BingoBoingo: williamdunne> Liberland might actually be a cool option, although no-one recognizes it yet so no-one would criticize the US for raiding a DC there, no? << Downside, no credible army makes Liberland easy to annex. Look at how easily Croatia bullies them.
williamdunne: The ones who previously turned down because of DDoS
williamdunne: What do you need, and is there anything I can help with. I'll happily speak to a couple of them for you, I've made harder sells before
jurov: we have our own secret service to raid the dc. and when they do it, they take everyone's stuff :D
williamdunne: Liberland might actually be a cool option, although no-one recognizes it yet so no-one would criticize the US for raiding a DC there, no?
jurov: and ahuling servers throught the border can be pita
williamdunne: Ah, if East could have access to some stuff in Ukraine easily. Can't imagine they would care too much for any bullshit, bigger stuff to deal with
jurov: if you read the logs, mircea supects someone gave the rack a hefty kick, damaging multiple drives in the raid
williamdunne: Roughly where in the world are you located? I know its Slovakia/Slovenia, but NESW?
williamdunne: I think the biggest issue will be physical security
mircea_popescu: the only economists qualified to discuss bitcoin are here, and afaik the consensus is "gavin is too dumb to understand how ridiculous he is"
jurov: but i can run the whole setup by you, definitely
jurov: yea, demand is for trustworthy machines ill put together myself
williamdunne: I would offer to help but not sure how much I could do without being physically there
jurov: research would be too much, just keep kicking the can
jurov: ^yes, thins needs no further comment
thestringpuller: jurov: < gavinandresen> jurov: I said I asked economists review my ‘block size economics’ post, and they did (and gave valuable feedback). It would be a full-fledge research project to estimate the impact of a technical change like increasing the max possible block size, I think
williamdunne: Probably for the best anyway, it they're that faggoty they'll give up the moment a DMCA/Subpoena comes through the post
jurov: this happened. som now i'm on my own trying to put some setup together
Adlai likes the "Now read this" closing each post. So say we all!
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 17:00:31; mircea_popescu: davout http://trilema.com/2015/rfc-the-gavin-assassinsen-memorial-mining-pool-implementation/ there you go, degraded to rfc.
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-01-2015#983559 << seems what you want isn't a mining pool, rather just a working implementation of atomic swaps talking to a node on each fork
ascii_field: there he is.
ascii_field: nope that was another bloke
ben_vulpes: didn't he drop his keys on the floor?
mircea_popescu: those people can get respectable servers once they're in l1.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker am i going to end up with a btc isp on top of everything ?
ascii_field: (afaik the latter would be 'let' in engl.)
ascii_field: the former
ascii_field: was there any public movement on this front, at any point ?
williamdunne: I wanna beat someone over the head on #bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Be adviced that your invoice include bad values. Look at the invoice and make amounts.
mircea_popescu: in other news,
ascii_field: unrelated: therealbitcoin is still unbuildable for cross-arm using anything but old makefile + my (unmerged) portatronic patch
mircea_popescu: anyway, dog ended up with strange ideas about the world, scared the shit out of this chick i visited with once.
williamdunne: Did it make breakfast in the morning?
mircea_popescu: hey, dog spent the night, k ?
mircea_popescu: for the record, i knew a chick that had a relationship with her dog.
mircea_popescu: sounds about like the daily mail
williamdunne: Shame about the face
mircea_popescu: im sure there's people doing it out of infantile fixation, too.
mircea_popescu: the point is to humiliate and bother her, and to enact, especially for her benefit, her social inadequacy and inferiority.
mircea_popescu: the principal reason to fuck in public is to manifest your ownership of the public space, specifically against putative/imaginary/hallucinated ownership by people like the woman that made the video.
williamdunne: From my understanding some people enjoy the thrill of doing it in public, no? Doing it in a way that is less than obvious but still public surely would still deliver the same thrill
mircea_popescu: well if they were gonna conceal it, might as well went to a room
williamdunne: Pretty boring clip, especially stupid that they didn't even try and conceal it
williamdunne: I mean they're pretty clearly fucking, but not sure what difference that makes
mircea_popescu: http://www.laopinion.com/sex-beach-playa-caballero-alvarez << the video if anyone cares.
mircea_popescu: "In 2004, Californians voted on Proposition 66, which would have undone the states three strikes law. Polls showed 74 percent of voters supported the bill, but a zero-hour negative ad push by the California Peace Officers Association, then-Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and most of the law enforcement community turned public sentiment against it. The bill wound up failing by a 53 to 47 percent margin."
mircea_popescu: bwahaha. "your honor, i'm a diabethic. better cut the sentence in half."
mircea_popescu: In 2000, repeated non-violent thief Louis Rodriguez was sentenced to a Third Strike life in prison sentence for stealing a candy bar and some cheese from a Los Angeles grocery store. After more than eight years behind bars, he died in a prison hospital from terminal liver failure. At the end of his life, he wound up costing California taxpayers more than $100,000 a year in housing and medical expenses.
williamdunne: What about awkward eye contact during the fact? Is that a rape?
mircea_popescu: pedo is when I watch *them*
mircea_popescu: The state will ask for jail time for Alvarez and prison time for Caballero. "We gave them a reasonable offer, what we felt was reasonable, and they decided it wasn't something they wanted to accept responsibility for," Dafonseca said. "Despite the video, despite all the witnesses."
williamdunne: Yeah but the woman is looking to go to jail too
mircea_popescu: "Video played in the courtroom during the 1- 1/2-day-long trial showed Alvarez moving on top of Caballero in a sexual manner" << does this actusally mean he pegged her ?
ascii_field: so it is quite like the 'life term for stealing candy' case from '90s
mircea_popescu: ascii_field by the looks of elissa... im sure he did.
williamdunne: i.e raping a kid looks the same as shitting in a park
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I think the problem is that a bunch of people are legally obligated to care, and apparently little background info is provided
mircea_popescu: used to be someone being an alleged rapist was a big deal. these days, it just mean kid went to college and wasn't entirely autistic
mircea_popescu: that "sex offender" thing suffered as badly on the libertard threadmil as rape. nobody cares anymore.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne yo where's the scoopbot
williamdunne: Possibly 15 years and becoming a registered sex offender for sex on the beach
mircea_popescu: now if anyone should know the importance of culture...
mircea_popescu: they do credit thompson as a designer too
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'year zero' where there isn't maxint lines of existing legacy crud that spews ten quintillion profiler errors - is why the 'culture' thing is less impressive than it sounds
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how the hell one fashionable language managed to do it, but i am definitely curious.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field shockingly enough, i suspect he actually has a point re the culture. somehow golang has this, whereas java or ruby do not.
dhill: davec, what was the db read time for both leveldb and boltdb?
jurov: mod6 i meant *all* paths inside the chroot. so if rc_logger="YES" then you'll get the log where hopefully you'll have any error messages from the local script
davec: sure, it not impossible ot do with other, but it's not as nicely integrated nor part of the culture
davec: integrated test infrastructure, no active memory management (therefore no buffer overflows and all of the other common security issues that come with it), standard formatting, platform independent code without the need for an installed runtime (ala JRE), excellent concurrency primitives, built-in profiling, and documentation facilities, etc
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 if the guest does have /etc/rc.conf then it's not systemd, tha'ts ruled out << ok *whew*. so yeah, both the parent and the chroot *have* /etc/rc.conf
ascii_field: so why was the former chosen ?
dhill: i don't think there is a pure go sqlite? we used mattn's.
mod6: ok jurov: got the log; I don't see any reference to systemd in there -- but keep in mind this is the parent system.
mircea_popescu: there's no pure go sqlite ?
williamdunne: jurov: I don't really know enough about the demographics of the high-priests of WikiPedia to say anthing too intelligent. But I'm guessing they think it has a chance
mircea_popescu: punkman were they actually trying to plant anything ?
punkman: "retarded children" -> "Representatives from the Confederation of Âûtia, a micronation for people on the autism spectrum, visited the [Liberland] area on 17 April 2015, but the Croatian police prevented the planting of their flag."
ascii_field writes a good bit but mostly garbage for machine rather than words for men
jurov: mod6: then enable rc_logger in /etc/rc.conf and after reboot you'll see whole startup
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 15:22:21; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how did you find that in bitcoind? a derpy grep through the 0.5.3 source doesn't show iconv anywhere.
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 try looking into /var/log/rc.log << there is no rc.log
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2014 19:27:57; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strauss is a (now very old) man who was involved with some of the '70s derpistans (actual attempts at island 'nations' by american jokers). worth reading if only for zoological purposes.
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 14:24:26; mircea_popescu: "The Liberlanden goverment seems to have a lot of plans for the future. Paraduin appears to have no plans. Why clutch the control of a nation which you have no intrest in?" << wtf is with these retarded children. they're comparing their reality on the grounds of the extension of their hopes and dreams now ?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120816 << the 'micronations' derpage has been going on since '70s
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: THE DAMNED GPG KEYS!111 << dealing with sks retardation; see log
mod6: there are a bunch of scripts in /etc/init.d
mod6: <+jurov> iirc systemd does not do /etc/local.d << ok so yeah, i have these: 00_getsshkey.start 00_getsshkey.stop in /etc/local.d
mod6: hmm. now that, i do not know. once I get it up and going, i'll have to see what kinda clown cars are spinning in there.
jurov: kk. cron nor init scripts usually never work on the first try.
mod6: <+jurov> anyway, mod6 has to check /etc/init.d whether clud init is there << i would check on the target environment, but i can't even get in there. I'll check in the chroot'd to-be-ami'd fs.
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 aws cloud-init injects other keys << hmm. it asked me when making the instance from my gentoo-stage3 AMI what key's i wanted to use. I also added "00_getsshkey.sh" script(s) as described in here: http://www.blackswanent.com/gentoo/building-a-gentoo-ami
jurov: and it it's the case, remember which ssh pubkey he supplied
mircea_popescu: check out the degradation of modernity!
jurov: they don't need ssh, at all
mircea_popescu: (obviously aws the corp owns the servers, but i mean... random employee could totally do this, could they ?)
mircea_popescu: jurov can you verify they actually inject your key rather than one of theirs for to mitm you with ?
mircea_popescu: but how does the injection work ?
jurov: so, ssh pubkey is supplied extra and injeced then
jurov: aws has the concept of machine image, which must be customized on first startup
jurov: which you specify when starting the instance
ben_vulpes: besides that was a *different* *uninteresting* block of rhetoric *upstream* of the shit i was interested in
jurov: mod6 aws cloud-init injects other keys
mod6: the good news is, I got my gentoo-stage3 to boot without a kernel panic. the bad news seems to be that i can't seem to login... something went sideways with the pubkey auth
mircea_popescu: i thought you paged through the rhetoric
ben_vulpes: "no. 10am. at the latest."
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [15:05] course school doesn't do that anymore, they just take the tuition, so now business is stuck doing primitive on-job training like it were 1700 all of a sudden. << jesus tell me about it
mircea_popescu: "It's pretty easy to have blocks of arbitrary size with no commercial disadvantage to miners-- and doesn't require fancy relay protocols; just all use a single large pool and a mining protocol like stratum that conceals whats being mined from the miners. The more data/cpu required to synchronize state, the more advantage there is in centralizing the function."
thestringpuller: ^- http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34uu02/why_increasing_the_max_block_size_is_urgent_gavin/ << redditards are too lazy to comment on stuff other than reddit
mircea_popescu: gotta love gavin's move from his blog to this thing where there's no comments. clearly, the man has a lot of support o.O
mircea_popescu: hey power-rangers : nothing changes because it's a year away. if you put this in now, i will STILL attack your pathetic shit once you diverge from bitcoin, and i will still sink it. and you will probably try to pull a "nobody could have foreseen", except in your case, like in the case of the bfl scammers, i have the record pre-made, it's right here.
mircea_popescu: why, on the grounds that "it's a year away so nobody can think about that" ?
davout: "We are years away from a time when we can confidently tell a wallet developer “use this solution to give your users very-high-volume, very-low-cost, very-low-minimum-payment instant transactions.”" <<< someone show them to a mysql howto or something
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> in other news, shoe problems http://40.media.tumblr.com/996bce3d7cadf68f3dcb6cbca5d36ca5/tumblr_n1kzmtoDiA1sx2zfgo4_r1_1280.jpg << tango's given me a new appreciation for the range of girls' ability to derp around in heels
thestringpuller: "You cannot expect people to do things for free if we want to keep the system decentralized. Its just not going to happen."
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i have nfi why the guy even imagines himself to be involved in bitcoin still.
pete_dushenski: gavin: "The ten-minute settlement time of blocks on the network is not fast enough for those problems," << so... go diddle litecoin.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> and i thought i was retarded. << mind you, the feat being performed is sort of one of profound retardation from the ground up, so the guy's up against a pretty epic tower of abstractions
jurov: kicking can down the road since 2010 (tm)
pete_dushenski: next lowest ask: $175 for 1 share, then $299.95 for 100 shares.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it ends up pulled through glibc which is the source of this poison
mircea_popescu: so xoom (some derpy bitcoin exchange thing) : 1. pays google to advertise on pages where it gets 1st slot organically anyway ; 2. fails to even fucking load the landingpage : http://dpaste.com/306CZPS
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how did you find that in bitcoind? a derpy grep through the 0.5.3 source doesn't show iconv anywhere.
ben_vulpes: carving cthulus name over athena's face.
mircea_popescu: because orcs must have their dead worm pictures.
ben_vulpes: and even though the produced binary is "static" it still loads system modules at runtime?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "iconv" << is this another one of those "lol u tried to make a static bin sucker" traps?
ben_vulpes pages impatiently through the rhetoric looking for mod6 and asciilifeform and trinque's convos
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> and if you think banning me will make all your earthly woes vanish, you've got another thing coming!
ben_vulpes wonders if thing is an l2 pun he doesn't understand the context for
mircea_popescu: like the candu shit you people use.
mircea_popescu: (most of them, in practice)
pete_dushenski: and if you think banning me will make all your earthly woes vanish, you've got another thing coming!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu why would nuclear reactions ever be decelerated ? why not just add more barium rods to absorb the excess nucleons ?