mircea_popescu: how much has changed, how the mighty have fallen, etc.
mircea_popescu: imagine, the us daring to hit a cn embassy today :D
ascii_field: there is a (plausible) legend that the strike on the cn embassy was deliberate - as it was where the carcass was hidden
ascii_field floored that mircea_popescu had not heard of the mega-airplane
mircea_popescu: "In addition, the Serbs had also intercepted and deciphered some NATO communications" AAAAhahahahaha
mircea_popescu: those things are as big as the damned f117
mircea_popescu: i didn't know they had rockets fast enough even. wtf is this.
jurov: yea, there's a piece exhibited in belgrade
jurov: well, serbians did use passive radar to shoot one down. and then 2.4ghz sources were far not so plentiful
mats: fun fact: since OLPC machines use IEEE1275, they all have a Forth implementation baked into the firmware.
mircea_popescu: "those guys are the top just because they're priviledged, we can be just as good as them, even better. because we want to, that's why!"
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:06:41; thestringpuller: i like how mpex is completely ignored in the GPG discussion. "Ignore the guys with the nukes and they'll just go away."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127936 more like, "we'll make our own theatre here in akron, ohio. what schubert in new haven ? what square mile ? broadway ? nah dude. ohio teatre."
mircea_popescu: anyway, if there are any javascript experts in the room, you, trinque, whoever : currently it pisses me off because if you click on page it scrolls you to top. any idea how to fix it so it ignores clicks ? just, never scroll as a result of a click.
davout: i kindof expected a little pop-up like on the btc-dev mailing list
davout: the URL changes
davout: open an article randomly, select random bit of the article, nothing happens
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128111 << ancient drm wankatron where lusers are somehow coerced into 'proving' that they run virginal winblows which will obey usg dictat
mircea_popescu: well, what error does the console pop ?
mircea_popescu: mats yep, part oif why the entire "attestation" bs is so lulzy.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> there's this big hairy crystalspace dependency that apparently calls ssh from configure << ahaha wut!
jurov: there's this big hairy crystalspace dependency that apparently calls ssh from configure
jurov is curious for how many people will eulora exist then
mircea_popescu: you're not the only one.
williamdunne: Mmm the second thing a bit. Prebuilt certainly makes mundane tasks that should be easy, easy
ascii_field: or do you consider any box where you can't suck down prebuilt packages from the net, to be 'a bitch to run'
ascii_field: (and there is claimed x86 dynamic translation, a la apple ppc. so it may yet turn out that most 'elbrus' will end up running winblowsxp...)
ascii_field: from standpoint of boobytraps, an example of 'worth writing home about' would be a machine 1) with pedantically open spec, to transistor level 2) with provisions for tandemming with implementations of same by other, foreign makers
pete_dushenski is reminded of recent commenter who was all "crowdfund your bitcoin nodes if they're too expensive"
ascii_field: at any rate, the reason to hold off creaming your pants on this occasion, is that 1) it's yet another von neumann turd 2) enjoy trading usg boobytraps for ru variant
pete_dushenski: is there nothing those crowdfundtards won't steal!
williamdunne: At least its marginally less important when the kit arrives in some circumstances than with bitcoin mining
pete_dushenski: for all the bitching about usg chip diddling in this place
pete_dushenski: *these things
pete_dushenski: but hey, if this things are cool enough, they're not exactly 'unobtanium'
ascii_field: at any rate, for what it is - 4k usd is not an obscene bag of benjies; but i have doubts that you can get these 1) in onecies 2) for anywhere close to the manufacturer's retail cost
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: iirc you gotta have a physical agent there.
ascii_field: one of the things glaringly missing from even the costliest x86 mb is a means for connecting them as tiles
pete_dushenski: but yes, is this elbrus isn't sufficiently magical, then it makes as much sense as buying 10,000 apple watches
ascii_field: but to go to original point, there is nothing magical about ru cpu (esp. a sparc clone, almost certainly built from 'opensparc')
ascii_field: to the end that thread re: whether 'we' will buy something is really a thread about whether mircea_popescu might buy something, and ought to be labeled correctly
ascii_field: williamdunne: if you exclude mircea_popescu, i doubt we can get 10,000 plastic forks between the lot of us
williamdunne: They really do have some creative shows..
ascii_field: in other, more interesting news,
pete_dushenski: what the hell are airplanes for ?
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:56:47; pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/11/allrussian_elbrus_pcs_and_servers_go_on_sale/ << it's a great day for alf!
williamdunne: Yeah, that was the CTO of BitMex
williamdunne: There are ways of doing similar things in a usable and optional fashion.
williamdunne: That depends on the function you are going for. SSL doesn't serve as a way to verify each party and obviously has some contentious things going on with cert authorities.
williamdunne: That assumes mainstream acceptance is the goal.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
williamdunne: MPEx did pioneer many things in Bitcoin derivatives and they deserve credit for that. However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.
williamdunne: thestringpuller: PGP over HTTP is not necessary when using SSL (HTTPS). Signing and encrypting with PGP is a nice way to bypass using authorization tokens, though, but it is not usable in a modern exchange interface. Trades on MPEx are very slow as a result.
pete_dushenski: "The Server Elbrus 4.4 is a four-socket affair and four of the machines fit into a 1U chassis. Gigabit ethernet, SATA and plenty of PCI slots connect it to other kit and the rest of the worlds."
pete_dushenski: "The CPU is otherwise unremarkable: it packs four cores, but they stroll along at 800 MHz and are built using a 65 nm process."
pete_dushenski: "The Elbrus ARM-401 PC is a minitower packing a version of Linux also called Elbrus and boasts four USB 2.0 ports, a PCI-express slot, gigabit ethernet and not much more."
pete_dushenski: "The Elbrus 4c used in the PCs and servers is said to support two instruction sets: very long instruction word and SPARC."
assbot: All-Russian 'Elbrus' PCs and servers go on sale • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1KB6Txg )
pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/11/allrussian_elbrus_pcs_and_servers_go_on_sale/ << it's a great day for alf!
assbot: Is bitcoin vulnerable to a "financial attack" like the one the gold market suffered? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT7XMm )
bitcoinquestions: Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this. Derp. << Do you feel the comment is pointless because OP is likely a bot etc.? Or do you feel the article is irrelevant to the matter at hand?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this one's for BingoBoingo : http://firstdown.ro/stiri/diverse/bucharest-warriors-inving-categoric-mures-monsters/ << That's quite the one sided game. The write up of the handegg game as though it is a soccer game is an interesting cultural artifact. Also that quarterback with all the touchdown passes seems to have an awfully generic name...
thestringpuller: MPEx was the first exchange to have GPG support...
williamdunne: Would be tragic for the NSA to lose out on that valuable data
thestringpuller: i like how mpex is completely ignored in the GPG discussion. "Ignore the guys with the nukes and they'll just go away."
ben_vulpes: http://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-smartphone-market-slows-down-1431296873 << modern manufacturing can crank out so many units as to completely overwhelm demand. this, i believe, is what's actually driving apple into the 'watch market', such as it is
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35lebr/announcing_pgp_support_on_bitmex/ << PGP support announced for an exchange. The plot thickens?
cazalla: bit of a disgrace considering bruce fenton of the bitcoin foundation has change tipped fedora'd me a couple times
cazalla: not exactly news or bragworthy, like the 5th time i've been banned from /r/bitcoin
cazalla: i rarely submit qntra there anyway
mircea_popescu: maybe they didn't like teh qntra.
cazalla: you can call people niggers but don't tell people to kill themselves
mircea_popescu: Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this.
assbot: Is bitcoin vulnerable to a "financial attack" like the one the gold market suffered? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9tL6h )
davout: jon matonis on the qntra itbit piece "Market-based legitimacy will always trump any flavor of institutional or political legitimacy. Bitcoin outlives political institutions."
davout: weird they'd pick that
cazalla: davout, mailinator is one of those disposable email services that anyone can check if you give out the username
mircea_popescu: pround member of the "things the voices in my head tell me are real" internet liberation party
mircea_popescu: "Most news sites you see on the internet are just one guy writing under multiple names. Writers are expensive. This wouldn't be the first site that does that nor would it even be unusual.
scoopbot_revived: The Chicken Brothers Cook Up Some Ransomware http://qntra.net/2015/05/the-chicken-brothers-cook-up-some-ransomware/
cazalla: horry shit, people actually kill themselves over ransomware http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11363099/Autistic-boy-hanged-himself-after-receiving-bogus-police-email.html
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34zini/some_say_gavin_can_kill_1000_trolls_in_a_single/ << check out the post-structuralist world. idiots on either side of an imaginary divide discover that well... they're really just idiots, the divide was imaginary, stuff like that.
cazalla: don't have em, not for a while, fucked em off given the situation here
cazalla: i guess more so danger, they have issues but whatever i liked it so whatevers i link what i want
mircea_popescu: is that jpg proposing the derpy chicks above are somehow dangerous ?
cazalla: https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1411/84/1411847912290.jpg while browsing, not related to my bitching of the missus
cazalla: (not that i really give a shit these days)
davout: cazalla: which do you prefer? bumping blocks to 20mb, or shrinking them to 100kb?
mircea_popescu: the shit i learn hanging out here.
davout: mircea_popescu: ah, i misread, thought the 1mn thing was about gavin
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/6aa41bb8b99299d0804958b220fcda59/tumblr_mx2l06UT1k1rkrrhko3_500.gif
mircea_popescu: then people lol'd and he went apeshit.
mircea_popescu: anyone else remember his "THE BITCOIN COMMUNITY ~must~ give me 1mn BTC to do stuff I came up with because that's the only way IT'll matter!11", or am i the only one ?
cazalla: davout, i think he is more likely to be trolling than a canary as you said on /r/bitcoin.. the guy has had his childish tantrums on bitcointalk before in 40pt font
mircea_popescu: "why did you hit this man in the head ?" "i thought maybe it'd do him good" "why ?" "dunno" judge thinks it through "alright, case dismissed. maybe it does do him good."
mircea_popescu: in other words : the space of possibilities is necessarily and by definition very vast and entirely open. this however does not make it automatically also interesting.
mircea_popescu: maybe hitler's plan was to lose the war, kill himself, and have his idiocy remade by the winners.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, but the new ones reak of how can i leverage my succesful random videos with new, non-random random videos with adsense
mircea_popescu: you know, maybe the shrimp i had earlier and am now digesting REALLY MEANT to be eaten. it was its plan all along. i fell into its well laid out trap!
mircea_popescu: cazalla honestly i like the new boxxy much better. shit she's saying is of course a lot dumber than before, but at least now it's banal too. easier to ignore.
davout: i mean, if he's compromised and is actually against raising the limit, he has to be happy about it not going too well, right
davout: cazalla: i can't help to think that if the guy's really compromised than he probably feels pretty good about the way his proposals are going
mircea_popescu: i think he went from salesman trying to impress & get a raise to salesman desperate to avoid the glengarry prize for third place.
cazalla: and anyway, even if he made a good argument for an increase in the blocksize, his current proposition differs to the incremental increase he suggested only a few months back, can't respect a guy that secede his position so quickly regardless of merit
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127582 <<< pretty sure that's bait so he can turn around and say see, people troll me regardless of what i say therefore my 20mb blocksize limit argument has merit
mircea_popescu: not to mention the woman, w/e her name was
mircea_popescu: and speaking of ukraine weird, am i the only one to think Ю́щенко's disappearing act from ukrainian politics is weird ? the guy was strong enough to be worth poisoning a decade ago, gets 1% in 2012 ?
asciilifeform: which one would you rather take
asciilifeform: 2) not only flesh but infrastructure - are fragile. 'tsar bomba' knocked out power lines for many km despite being tested far from civilization (emp by zipping charged particles through van allen belt, a well-understood effect.) picture just one of these over, e.g., new york
asciilifeform: the interesting thing is, as i pointed out in link, 1) kinetics (how quickly energy is delivered) matter far more than thermodynamics (how much is delivered)
decimation: at any rate, as I wrote later, it seems that the actual amount of U in the ground isn't really fully known
decimation: yeah some deuterium spices up the party
asciilifeform: re: nuke thread: decimation has it. nobody (save possibly pakistan) fields pure fission warheads today. not even for the tiny 'dial-a-yield' things fashionable in usa & ru. too 'dirty' and not considerably cheaper than 2-stage affair
asciilifeform: (solar panels, in contrast, at least do not suffer from the problem of becoming proportionately more useless with each one made)
asciilifeform: one can debate the solar panels - but this seems like a hands-down defeat.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127543 << we did the tile here, iirc. my argument that they will never repay the cost of their manufacture seems ever closer to utter certainty
assbot: I think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGIr39 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/#comment-114105
mircea_popescu: this seemed pretty ridiculous at the time, and perhaps it is. or perhaps it's part of a playbook, and the same strategy was later used to try and "turn public opinion" in the ukraine.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated tinfoil hat fodder : i dunno if anyone remembers the one time world came closest to nuclear war (1983), or the fate of kal-007. the thing is tho, the russians at the time claimed the bad flightpath was deliberate provocation, and that the cia had warned nixon not to go with that flight.
mircea_popescu: the modern liquefied coal stuff is actually pretty clean
decimation: uranium is heavy; it'll go to the bottom.
mircea_popescu: i suspect coal is much clenaner then.
decimation: well, my favorite criteria are "pollution sits in a pool" rather than "pollution is spammed over planet's surface"
mircea_popescu: looky, mercury is heavy. it'll go to the bottom.
decimation: well, that's no reason to piss mercury into the ocean
mircea_popescu: if the peons didn't have the printing folk to give them free money, they wouldn't afford bluefin tuna.
mircea_popescu: lead, mercury etc are the problem, not radiation
decimation: the alternative to nuclear fission is to emit radiation via coal burning
mircea_popescu: if the need isn't there... i guess go derp on reddit about things of great interest and matters of great import.
mircea_popescu: if the need is there, the fix is obvious. pay more per btc, so miners get more mining done, so more txn get in per day.
mircea_popescu: there's a very simple way to decrease interval between blocks : gavin can just go buy some miners and stfu.
mircea_popescu: the only way it'll kill you is by falling on your head.
assbot: gavinandresen comments on Please remind me once again why we can't decrease the time interval between blocks instead of increasing their size ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGvUww )
bitstein: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127582 << the link to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35hpkt/please_remind_me_once_again_why_we_cant_decrease/cr4wk0g
decimation: "Compare this 25 ml per year per person of high-level nuclear waste with the other traditional forms of waste we currently dump: municipal waste 517 kg per year per person; hazardous waste 83 kg per year per year"
decimation: well, he was writing about the uk
assbot: Ch 24 Page 170: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGviHl )
decimation: That?s the same volume as 35 olympic swimming pools. "
decimation: than 2 litres. Even when we multiply by 60 million people, the lifetime vol-
decimation: well, sure but it would have been more efficient to use it at lower enrichment levels in the first place
mircea_popescu: decimation most of them use the thin walled sphere with boron chain fillings. they can be safely dismantled.
mircea_popescu: not really, unless it's actually fired, the stuff can be reclaimed (and has, on a grand scale - that's what START is really all about)
decimation: mircea_popescu: incidentally, uranium fission is the only non-mass-polluting technology that can deliver first world level energy to the entire population for a thousand years
livegnik: As long as it doesn't go in-depth concerning the technicals, a good salesman should at least be able to discuss the concept, right?
mircea_popescu: "I agree. I'm no academic nor coder" << basically, you're trying to sell something. the problem is that the thing you're trying to sell has problems. send the engineers that made it instead.
livegnik: mircea_popescu: Not sure what you're trying to point there for sure, but one of the reasons I've joined this channel is because there are probably a few people who have thought extensively about this topic.
livegnik: williamdunne: that's why I said not to stare at identi.fi too much, it's basically meant for demo-purposes, to explain the back-end.
livegnik: by any other (1st to infinite degree) party at any time. This information should at least make it much easier for any party to decide for themselves what is best for them.
livegnik: The system doesn't only consist of the identities within the digital Rolodex, but also of all the claims that have been made about them,
livegnik: I like the analogy of an electronic Rolodex. It's dissimilar to the extent that it wasn't shared as easily among all trusted parties.
williamdunne: Feels a bit awkward. I like the idea but it feels like crap
mircea_popescu: the entire thing would drastically benefit from getting the people involved here. it has fundamental problems which are apparently difficult to grasp. whatever they may think they're doing with their time that's a better use, isn't.
livegnik: You can only up/down-vote the identifiers themselves. Next, you can say anything about them under ratings.
williamdunne: Mmm adding them as rates seems awkward, should be separate. Also gives a false sense of security
livegnik: The self-rate thing is verifying identifiers (which are called "connections" there). By verifying an identifier you add said identity + that identifier to your WoT.
livegnik: You can do RPC calls on the back-end, basically how you can do it with bitcoind
williamdunne: The self-rate things are a bit odd
williamdunne: It isn't so tarded, just the search function
livegnik: williamdunne: Sure. Just don't stare at the front-end too much, it's only to give you an idea. The real magic happens on the back-end; the daemon.
mircea_popescu: especially if they're a pdf.
mircea_popescu: livegnik you'd be much better served getting in the wot than writing white papers. experimentally, nobody reads thoise.
williamdunne: Can I have a link to your profile, I wanna see the rating system?
livegnik: We don't have a whitepaper yet. Working on it though. It would be much easier to grasp the concept with some details on the data format, database design, network topology, etc.
mircea_popescu: decimation anyway, the important point in all of that is the natural insolation on ground is to the degree of 20 MJ/day.
livegnik: http://identifi.org is our not-up-to-date website. The proto-type of what a front end *could* look like can be found on http://identi.fi/. The proto-type of the back-end can be found here: https://github.com/identifi/identifi
williamdunne: I think I've been hearing about identifi recently, let me check I'm on about the right thing one sec
livegnik: Anything else I might be able to explain about Identifi? I remember that there were some more questions last time after I left.
williamdunne: Na thats 2.5 minute blocks, so this is like 2.5 litecoins. And there are double as many litecoins as there are bitcoins so this idea is worth what, 105,000,000 bitcoins?
mircea_popescu: wtf is with these idiots. don't they realise just how obvious their agenda becomes from all the failures ? "we gotta fuck up bitcoin. o, i know, let's make the blocks larger. wait, mp said no. i know, make the timing shorter. one way or another, must destroy the decentralisation!!11"
livegnik: Thnx mircea_popescu . I'll be off in 30 minutes or so, and haven't been able to get sirius in here yet. Both pretty busy atm, but sure he'll join us some other time.
mircea_popescu: decimation yes, they are. gl taking it out.
williamdunne: Might as well port the DB to MongoDB while we're at it
decimation: or lithium deuteride rather
decimation: so your estimate might be off by about 1000 if you include that. Also presumably most of the 'heavy hitter' bombs would use heavy water fusion secondaries
assbot: Ch 24 Page 163: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1bIUgEq )
decimation: re: uranium < http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_163.shtml < this guy says there are 4.5 bil tons of U in the oceans (4E12 kg)
ben_vulpes: "people are no longer motivated by appeals to broader, more abstract values, that what motivates them are more narrow, survival-oriented approaches" << http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/05/resilience-is-the-new-black.html subconsciously, everyone knows what's coming
scoopbot_revived: I think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/
mircea_popescu: exactly the us-su dynamic.
mircea_popescu: thatr's exactly what it is. the whole thing that made usg work makes us work. it'll make us great long after it buried it.
mircea_popescu: essentially the position of the Catholic church, hoping that it may teach people to read and write in such a way that they'll actually continue to take the "Holy Scripture" seriously. Why would they ? They won't, they don't, it's just not how that works.
mircea_popescu: This would also be why I don't think so very much of the libertards, and why I find myself so often in contradiction with people who view them as either powerful or in any sense a threat (usually both) : they aren't, either, nor could they really be, either, because the only tool they know actually works for them only a short distance of its run, and for us the entire length of that same run. The libertard's gambit is
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 17:55:59; asciilifeform: that's the thing, the 'increasingly sees as pointless' was after things turned 'rational'
mircea_popescu: (note that i didn't even bother with using the fact that 99.9% of uranium is not more fissile than lead, nor the fact that you will never actually manage to bust up ALL the atoms)
mircea_popescu: consider the following math : uranium reserves, about 6*10^9 kgs. about 0.1% of this is usable for the purpose. uranium molar mass is ~250 [grams/mol] which means ~ 6*10^9 * 1000/250 * 6*10^23 atoms in total. meanwhile energy output is ~200 MeV per event. your total ideal available energy is thus ~1.44 * 10^32 eV. meanwhile land surface is ~1.50 * 10 ^ 14 sqm. So you get a total of ~10*17 eV per square meter, or a litt
mircea_popescu: contrary to what is generally propagandized, there isn't a way to use them effectually on the field. the only effectual use for them is in mass media.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127133 <<< i think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons.
mircea_popescu: be it conquer the south or the moon, but a mission, see. something interesting to do.
mircea_popescu: just like you can be the life of the party and command everyone's attention for as long as you're being riveting ; just as long as you can tell women to suck your cock for just as long as it's a juicy cock to suck.
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 17:48:14; decimation: but on the flip side you can print scrip and force your subjects to honor it
mats: mircea_popescu: are you planning to keep the courts project open?
trinque: plenty of useless white hoodlums in the south too
chetty: its worse than not caring, black kids are scroned for even trying in school, the get told they are acting too white
scoopbot_revived: Why did blacks stop caring about respectability and acceptability in USistan ? Because there's none to be had. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/10/why-did-blacks-stop-caring-about-respectability-and-acceptability-in-usistan-because-theres-none-to-be-had/
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 18:49:36; williamdunne: ah, countering the 419
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127231 <<< 419 eater in other words.. how do these kids not know about such things? :\
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127174 <<< you never get that sweet then peppery taste with store bought rocket, i doubt many people even know what it really tastes like
ben_vulpes: "Warning: Can't synchronize with the repository (Couldn't open Subversion repository /home/crystal/scm/crystal: SubversionException: ("Expected FS format between '1' and '3'; found format '4'", 160043))."
trinque: "Since I have neither money nor knowledge to build something myself"
assbot: What is hindering hyperbitcoinization and some ideas for “the killer app” : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RstUaU )
jurov: meanwhile, dreams of the hypobitcoinized: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35iry9/what_is_hindering_hyperbitcoinization_and_some/
trinque: and of course, the thing will still be entirely within the influence of the federal govt still
trinque: danielpbarron: cool. the free state project's somewhat interesting; I'm doubtful though that the whole 20k will move when that number's "reached"
ben_vulpes: chetty: what's the new version?
jurov: should i prod the windows guy?
chetty: good idea, we have changed the version so you will be needing a new cs
mircea_popescu: bonus lulz : dulce the leche is a thing.
mircea_popescu: and there WILL be a juicy event to reward the patience and help people set up themselves. so.
mircea_popescu: NO FIRST I MUST eAT ALL THE CAKES
decimation: right, the new model is 'pay us monthly fer yer warez'