cazalla: anyway if ya like shanti, her porno is in the logs
cazalla: isn't that the East :P
williamdunne: Less Asian than other Asians
williamdunne: cazalla: I wouldn't go so far as butterface, definitely not the strong point
williamdunne: decimation: Seems like they'd server more of a deterrent purpose than anything
deedbot-: [Trilema] /btc/, the most recent 8chan board - http://trilema.com/2015/btc-the-most-recent-8chan-board/
asciilifeform: '1945 Zeros Attack B-29 Formation over the Fujiama.'
mircea_popescu: the .svg.png part is lulzy.
mircea_popescu: the list of terms scared up by the delusional have this fundamental property that they only exclude.
williamdunne: Indeed, so she is either a transvestite or a squirrelkin
mircea_popescu: to bring the point home : you can only be NOT cis. because the people who use the term aren't, and to the entire would outside of that small, retarded minority the term is meaningless.
williamdunne: Hmm you're right, none of these examples are all that great
williamdunne: You're either cis or you're not
williamdunne: decimation: that implies they are delusional
williamdunne: Surely if she were to be blaming the cispatriarchy that would suggest she is transgender
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how's she to afford the airfarez.
asciilifeform: decimation: rng literally breaks most of the rules of 'civilian' electronic design
decimation: asciilifeform: I rarely deal with irregularly sampled signals, the idea creeps me out a little bit
asciilifeform: decimation: the correct way to sample is at (within feasible limits) random intervals.
decimation: asciilifeform: I suppose slight variation in the sampling clock (known to the enemy) would have very little effect on the output
indiancandy1: im like the only pretty girl who comes in here
asciilifeform: decimation: at any rate, the -correct- way to sample these for experimental purposes is with either parallel port or a generic i/o gadget (e.g., 'ftdi')
decimation: as I recall they were dc-coupled potentiometers
indiancandy1: on the street
williamdunne: indiancandy1: they break yet?
indiancandy1: there is a somalian guu
asciilifeform: decimation: the problem with using sound card would be that it has ac-coupled input.
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: and the item we were talking about, was this: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf3_compare.jpg
decimation: but if the levels are high enough and you use some kind of clipping algorithm it wouldn't be an issue
asciilifeform: decimation: the noise doesn't matter, rng outputs logic-level signal
decimation: I would worry about potential noise in the sound card
asciilifeform: now, if you have a -very- well-behaved os, you could sample it as rs232 anyway. but then you discover (see old mircea_popescu article where we stepped on this caltrop!) that you end up losing bytes that match 'control' section of ascii table
asciilifeform: decimation: that dongle is just the thing for, e.g., pogo - but the rng is not a rs232 device...
decimation: no, for the object being soldered
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what does the knob do ?
mircea_popescu: aaand /btc/ is nao in the top 50th most read boards on 8chan >> https://8ch.net/boards.html
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134108 << they don't need to turn sharp corners, in our hypothetical machine
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134106 << they did exist, 'field emission display' (essentially a crt with one electron gun - of cold cathode type - per subpixel!)
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/16_electronics-hack-night-featuring-the-twiddler-and-asciilifeforms-trng.html << scoop
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=itt | ITT. Usually done in all caps, it is the first post on a fourm. It directly mean In This ... ITT I'm wrong compared to popular opinion but I'll post this definition anyway.
mircea_popescu: web experts derp about how MP doesn't know shit. then mp makes something that owns anything they've ever seen in penetration. then they don't knowtice, because one can't be stupid and perceptive at the same time.
mircea_popescu: "man, i hadnt seen an ad on the interne in years. thought it was a banner for awhile" << bwahahaha.
mircea_popescu: the /b/ one ( b/res/2686327.html apparently) didn't get archived.
cazalla: the fuck is v8chan
mircea_popescu: http://v8chan.com/thread/3744246/what-is-this-ad.html << "As much I don't want to bring in /pol/ into every discussion, /leftypol/ is a hundred times worse. You're fucking cancer." / "its fags like you who make these threads the worst" / "No, it's fags like you who get triggered if anything remotely /pol/-like is mentioned, and I don't even like /pol/. Get the fuck out." / "Youre mentally disabled if you dont thi
ben_vulpes: how can one ever tell with these internet gifs
mircea_popescu: hey, that looks like a bunch of dudes slapping the shit out of some chick
mircea_popescu: http://8ch.net/leftypol/res/186432.html << "So why are there specific ads on /v/ which are retarded /pol/-tier shit?"
jurov: was that the question?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-05-2015#1123556 << what's the story for managing tar files via portage?
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mircea_popescu: you gotta add a zoom of the damned gerbils
mircea_popescu: jurov lol at the >9000 watt thing
assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 21:54:31; asciilifeform: (assembling these into a circuit with 'weakest link' still permitting these speeds, is 'an exercise for the alert reader')
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134060 << yeah, i know that place. right across the straights from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwDDswGsJ60
adlai finds along the rabbit-hole walls yet another example of "jpeg-quality gif > $maxint words": http://pw2.netcom.com/~wa2ise/radios/aa5-1t.html
asciilifeform: ogy had not advanced as quickly as it did in the first half of the 1960s, the Compactron idea might have been developed further, with even more tubes in a single envelope...'
asciilifeform: 'What GE did was combine multiple common tube types into "fat" tubesas many as four in a single glass envelope, all heated from the same filament. The idea was to reduce the amount of power required to heat the tubes and the space they required on the circuit board, as well as the associated costs of multiple sockets. In a very crude way, GE was applying the concept of integrated circuits to tubes, and if solid-state technl
asciilifeform: probably 'sheep's skin not worth the tanning' if tradeoff is taken to this extreme.
asciilifeform: keeping the number of parts at a minimum.
asciilifeform: and when using exotic/handmade logic, you will probably take the opposite approach from a si designer - maximally 'un-unroll' the loops.
jurov: ah that. so, thinking about ECL, one basically needs to put together 2x80 identical circuits for two rouds of SHA1, and pipeline them, no?
asciilifeform: the whole point, here, is to avoid the statal spittoon dragged in by the use of si microfabrication.
asciilifeform: because they needed a si fab
asciilifeform: while we're doing peculiar miners, one might also consider another lost technology, the 'integrated'... vacuum flask.
asciilifeform: ecl miners probably live on the same planet as gallium arsenide, etc. miners.
asciilifeform: (assembling these into a circuit with 'weakest link' still permitting these speeds, is 'an exercise for the alert reader')
asciilifeform: my symbolics lisp mach., interestingly, has a board with a good number of ecl discretes. turned out, this was the framebuffer. it was the only way to crunch ~200MHz at the time
jurov: pediwiki says "300 MHz flip-flop toggle rates".. and guess it would need flipflops if the SHA computaiton is pipelined
asciilifeform: jurov: ecl (emitter-coupled logic) is a supposedly-obsolete way to build logical circuits (on any particular semiconductor chemistry) where a transistor is kept near switching point at all times, gaining speed at the expense of economy
asciilifeform: http://ummr.altervista.org/scansTEKECL.jpg << these (or, more realistically, modern) ECL discretes would probably outperform a modern integrated miner, were they to be built into a (washing-machine-sized) one...
jurov: lmao "these advertisements are not very professionally made"
assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 18:54:57; mod6: <+danielpbarron> the node to which i'm referring runs 0.7.2 though, so might not be the same issue << as ascii said, this is apples to oranges, but I'm curious anyway; where abouts are you at in the sync process on this particular device? (what block height range? 250`000 - 290`000) ?
mod6: ok, it's in that same directory: 'nmon_bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE_plus_OrphanageThermonukePatch.txt'
mod6: im throwing that raw nmon file up there for you now, incase you wanna see it.
asciilifeform: mod6: this is not the problem. the real issue is distinguishing disk-cache ram from process ram
mod6: it should be /fairly/ accurate as there isn't anything else running on this box. just the usual: sshd/syslog/screen/cron ..
mod6: yeah, i'll have to figure out how to use either nmon or another tool to capture /just/ the bitcoind process.
asciilifeform: (would have been best to measure only the bitcoind process)
asciilifeform: mod6: the most interesting chart is memory/time
mod6: yup, will do. the charts are actully posted from the first test already (http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/), I'll certainly post the results/charts from the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE when it's complete as well.
asciilifeform: consider posting the charts
mod6: well, actually, i'd post the orphanage-thermonuke patch test data now, but it's 113 mb of raw nmon captures.
mod6: Now, currently, I'm running a very similar test with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE (as a baseline) without your OrphanageThermonuke patch included... it did oomkill once, yesterday.
mod6: so yes, the first performance test was me running v0.5.3.1-RELEASE with Orphanage_Thermonuke patched in. Performance test conducted with `vmstat 1` & `nmon -f s3 -c1000000`. During this test the entire sync process completed without any oomkill.
asciilifeform: trinque, danielpbarron: this is interesting enough that it oughta go in the mailinglist
mod6: <+danielpbarron> the node to which i'm referring runs 0.7.2 though, so might not be the same issue << as ascii said, this is apples to oranges, but I'm curious anyway; where abouts are you at in the sync process on this particular device? (what block height range? 250`000 - 290`000) ?
mod6: now, it'll be interesting to see the numbers i.e. network usage (among other utilization metrics) between full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE+{Orphanage_Thermonuke} & v0.5.3.1-RELEASE (currently running -- which also, as i was saying lastnight, already oom killed once)
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 so orphanage-thermonuke has never oom-crashed in your tests ? << nope! it was pretty exciting to see it get all the way through full sync without oomkill.
trinque: for the first time
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: thread concerned 0.5.3.1 with orphanage-thermonuke patch.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 so orphanage-thermonuke has never oom-crashed in your tests ?
davout: ah, actually it *is* the second edition
davout: asking because this one looks seems dated from '88 -> http://www.amazon.fr/Programming-Language-Brian-W-Kernighan/dp/0131103628/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431795705&sr=8-1&keywords=the+c+programming+language
asciilifeform: davout: (not hard, because 1st ed. is virtually impossible to find. i actually preferred it, though, had better paper. and the differences are negligible)
asciilifeform: davout: get the 2nd ed.
asciilifeform: everything else, esp. the backbreakers with enormous print and oceans of whitespace that you will encounter at your local bookstore, is garbage
asciilifeform: if you must also have another,
asciilifeform: is really the only book.
asciilifeform: davec: kernighan&richie, 'the c programming language'
davout: asciilifeform: could you recommend a couple C books for the eager student?
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: either mats or i recommended it ?
funkenstein_: i had hopes this would be the project that tuned me into wtf node.js was all about
gribble: The operation succeeded.
funkenstein_: I leave a prototype here in hopes for feedback / being ripped to shreds / other
jurov: yes i can confirm setting body style="padding:0;margin:0;" in the iframe fixes it
copypaste: Understood. Hopefully mircea will fix that when he wakes up. :) Need to put a <body> tag around the <a> tag, with style="padding:0;margin:0"
jurov: just one of the things that causes seizures to my friend pro designer :)
copypaste: I can't do that on my end though, has to be done on the calling website (trilema.com).
copypaste: I think that a style on the <body> tag like padding:0;margin:0 should fix it.
copypaste: I didn't notice it because all the current ads fit.
copypaste: I see why. Your HTML output should make sure to have no page margin. The image must be right in the top left hand corner of the browser.
jurov: and i can§t get the coinbr one to show
jurov: copypaste: the banners are truncated on bottom/right :-/
mircea_popescu: kinda the idea.
wiz: i mean, not paying tax to the state, or being restricted by their regulations, etc. is a huge competitive advantage in any market, white or black
wiz: it occured to me that once underground markets master the art of operatings as "unregistered corporations", they will be at a huge competitive advantage to state-registered corporations
wiz: well, I really like the concept of "unregistered corporations"
wiz: and I'm listening to this video now, that's how I heard about the channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWgPpDRo9AQ
wiz: Roger Ver first told me about your exchange a few weeks ago, I've been reading your site in my spare time since then
Namworld: They turned web traffic into fireworks. "The attacks shown are based on a small subset of live flows against the Norse honeypot infrastructure, representing actual worldwide cyber attacks by bad actors."
mod6: Once I have all the baseline perf metrics collected, I'll be making a posting about it and will publish the data.
mod6: Addtionally, I 100% agree, if anyone else should test either of these and capture anything surrounding the OOMKILL either in the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE or a patched version of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, please let us know.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: please post any data you may have collected at the moment of the oomkill << so just to reiterate here, the current perf test I'm running is with the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE which oomkill'd (as it's known to do). I'll post the nmon charts, log, and vmstat log. no core file was created. However, as a reminder, the previous perf test that I ran with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE+{asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.patch}(http://thebitcoin.foun
decimation: then later I got a 486DX from gateway
cazalla: did you have a keyboard lock on your tower? my old man tried that shit on me but some how i had the idea to open it up and remove cable
asciilifeform: decimation: 'turbo' on my old boxes, it turned out, just disabled l2 cache. the lamps lied to us.
decimation: I remember thinking as a kid 'why would you not always have the turbo button activated?'
asciilifeform: it is theoretically possible to get the sound right. but never happened, and i doubt - ever will
decimation: you can never get the timing right one emulators
asciilifeform: for the sb64 of course
decimation: asciilifeform: it's really hard to find detailed specs for all the shitty thin terms out there
asciilifeform: decimation: take that machine out to the boonies and use for target practice.
decimation: I've still not gotten to the bottom of it, but my point is that the kernel could also be at fault
decimation: asciilifeform: on another project I've been chasing an oomkill that happens ... when acpi is turned on
asciilifeform: this goes for anyone else who got oomkill with orphanage-thermonuke specifically, on a box with ad libitum ram
cazalla: they game is fucking long dead though.. it made everything fair so that all players are equal.. seriously.. why even bother playing an mmorpg then if i can't grief the fuck out of people with my rare sword and mount
cazalla: decimation, they allow gold buying/seller for game time in recent months
asciilifeform: -nor- has any detectable (through the usual automatic means, e.g. valgrind) leaks.
decimation: you gotta think that at some point the thing flips and blizzard would welcome chinese farmers
decimation: it would be interesting to know the actual revenue figures
decimation: apparently they banned "a large number" of accounts http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17347095985
decimation: rpgs are full of bots! the horror!
decimation: heh "Blizzard Entertainment has banned ?a large number? of World of Warcraft accounts after finding that they were using bots, or ?third-party programs that automate gameplay? according to a company post. "
mircea_popescu: anyway, i've had a decent chuckle reading the reports pushed by people scrambling to cope with my brusque, sudden, unexpected movements.
mircea_popescu: which i think happens about 9k times a year, just, usually nobody outside of the guild forum gives a shit
cazalla: gee i got scammed at the nursery, sold a plant with DRM (PBR)
mod6: +1 for hanbot's "Narf" - pinky & the brain ref.
Namworld: [20:19] <+mircea_popescu> https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1431734890584.jpg << is this the Namworld household ?
mod6: Speaking of Blazing Saddles... that movie is so damn funny. I must have watched it 20x as a kid. But what's interesting was recently I heard/read about these "Animal Trials" in Europe during the middle-ages. Makes me think of that part where they're hanging that guy AND his horse. lol
mircea_popescu: "In 2010, Poole was reported to have raised $625,000 to create a new online enterprise, Canvas. The web site opened on January 31, 2011, and features digitally modified images uploaded by users who are required to self-identify using Facebook Connect. In January 2014, Poole announced that Canvas, and its DrawQuest feature, would be going out of business."
mod6: they have McBucks now 'eh? During february, clown-burger up here actually let you pay in ``hugs''.
mod6: ``That's one small step for man, one giant leap for every, complaining, son of a bitch on the face of the Earth.'' << lol!
mod6: Then I can compare and contrast and work with ben on a writeup for qntra
mod6: After this one is done, I was going to run a vanilla v0.5.3 to get a baseline from that as well. And I will do that, but did remember that it /does/ at least require the db patch to achieve full sync.
mod6: there will be some flat lines in the charts, but should still be able to get some sort of picture showing us the diff in network traf & other utilization metrics.
mod6: thing was cranking through the keys nicely.
mod6: was just gonna check on the phuctor stats
mod6: ah, ok. thought /maybe/ i saw that in the log.
mod6: there you go
asciilifeform: perhaps after the war.
asciilifeform: mod6: i have a mega-warez-set of -all- of sierra works (incl. that series) waiting for the day that never comes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 486 was, i admit, because i wanted to play a bit of games again.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps they ran out of good weights
mircea_popescu: no idea how that could un-become being the case.
asciilifeform: it was a procedure for folks who refused to plead (submit to the jurisdiction of the court. formerly, english courts could only try folks who 'agreed' to be tried)
asciilifeform: (the lisp machine, will probably feature in my peine forte et dure)
asciilifeform: mod6: i don't collect antiques for the sake of antiques
BingoBoingo: I get the 486 isn't quite a rarity yet, but damn
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> fool shipped this 'relic' in a thin cardboard box scarcely larger than machine, via usps. << What the fuck
asciilifeform: fella has other machines just like it for sale. and takes returns
mod6: well.. the disks didn't usually fair so well, but. yeah.
mod6: you're not just going to re solder all the outputs?
asciilifeform gives up the would-have-been-very-spiffy fanless 486 he bought, for dead. no output on any port. damnation.
asciilifeform: (though i'd really enjoy hearing some rationale as to why they did this)
asciilifeform: but again i'm not therealbitcoin. if mod6 and ben_vulpes wish to move to 4chan, 8chan, 4096chan - up to them
asciilifeform: it obsoletes all other spam filtration and membership mechanisms
asciilifeform: but i'm not the mod
asciilifeform: for purposes of therealbitcoin
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform why don't we throw out the mailing list and move to 8chan? <+asciilifeform> jurov: move to 8chan? << share the lsd ? << as much as the turdolator has been a pain for jurov, I've kinda grown fond of it. however, I'm open to discuss it a bit if we can figure out a scheme inwhich it would work. mainly, ive just never been very into bbs.
mod6: ~<+mircea_popescu> mod6 https://8ch.net/btc/index.html << might need a few reloads, but teh republican banners, they're there. << hey thanks! they look great! :]
trinque: furthermore the separation of the data from any particular program allows many programs to all diddle the same data happily in concert
trinque: wouldn't it be nice to simply declare the structure of an e-mail, and know that anything acting upon anything which claims to be an e-mail is going to be of a given structure?
trinque: they're slaves which are very careful with their tasks, and which save their masters the trouble of repeating trivialities needlessly
BingoBoingo: Maybe nothing material unless you are rebuilding the whole machine? DB's are just slaves with more shit in their linen
trinque: when I say everything I mean "what are the services which will care about this change" not "what config files have this string"
trinque: makes it absolutely impossible to interrogate it for 'everything which makes reference to the hostname db.foo.baz'
trinque: /etc is abominable suck, akin to every shitty scripting language coming up with their unique snowflake of syntax for the same things
asciilifeform does not suffer from either affliction, is in fact almost terminally lazy
assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 01:47:03; trinque: imagine, nerds: there are people who don't enjoy setting up servers like it's their cherished train set
mircea_popescu: who gives an everloving fuck about cracked. i don't even answer their emails.
mircea_popescu: [9/18/14 12:08 AM] moot: This meeting is one of the most important we've ever had, EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE HERE
ben_vulpes: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/05/wolf-richter-why-the-heck-is-the-trucking-business-slowing-down.html
mircea_popescu: well no, because gawker being broke obviously there's nowhere less to go.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Sure there is, it is called a /etc/ fileset
williamdunne: DigitalOcean however lets you stick up a cheap ass VPS for what, $5 a month and you can auto setup wordpress. If you can't work out how to do the initial basic step with SSH you have no business running a website
trinque: BingoBoingo: I "bashops" but there's no excuse for not having something whereby you can make configuration something you bundle and give a name, reuse
BingoBoingo: trinque: Then what are man and /etc/ for?
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3GCHCR9 << this is pretty lulzy. reads just like the glbse thing to me.
williamdunne: The biggest problem with shared servers is that so often they are ridiculously underpowered and its hard to tell before you do so
BingoBoingo: Eh, cpanel's kinda the shared server standard
trinque: imagine, nerds: there are people who don't enjoy setting up servers like it's their cherished train set
BingoBoingo: Wow, the cpissel rejectionism here
trinque: barfed out the last five of each
trinque: neh deedbot- did, and I was mostly just seeing if the feeds plugin worked
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: That sounds like a great way to get sued for all of the nothing I have.
mircea_popescu: through the "author"s misplaced expectation that making such a claim will promote his production
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Of course he wasn't didn;t you read the qntra today
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Get em' drunk first? Maybe that goes against the point of getting healthy
ben_vulpes: oh pete_dushenski wasn't kidding about the mpex hike
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: That kind tend to be averse to the idea of being punched though.
mircea_popescu: you know, like how women name their ugly spawn "obama" or w/e
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: I think you underestimate the challenge of getting my chainsmoking, heavy drinking ass into shape for that step.
mircea_popescu: the word is attention whoring.
BingoBoingo: So, 11 year plan on track still. Did pushups today until I couldn't a few times and then wrapped my hands and practiced jabs on the locust tree outback (Iron pole idea did not last very long in practice)
williamdunne: Some redditor seems to have outsourced their insults.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DggAXSv53Qc&feature=youtu.be
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