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mircea_popescu: mkay. so take poker. a very simple description of poker is that you can either play hooker or bluffer. to play hooker you need card superiority, and try to trick your opponent into paying.
williamdunne: Only in the drunken manner, not the competitive
mircea_popescu: williamdunne someone without money has the disadvantage of not what to spend and the advantage of not having what to protect.
williamdunne: Don't think we all should be equal in fairyland but creating additional barriers is about the equivalent of kicking a man while he is down
mircea_popescu: but anyway, to round off the "social marketplace" thing : if one is to reclassify slave labour as "voluntaryism", which is undoubtedly erroneous but nevertheless coherent with the presupositions proposed, then sure, i am a champion of "the northern model"
williamdunne: *further
williamdunne: Sure, but they put someone without money at a disadvantage
mircea_popescu: pretty much everyone in the civilised world (us and eu excluded) lives fine without ever touching those.
mircea_popescu: you vastly overrepresent their reach.
williamdunne: But do you not think that without various shitty laws preventing any African from doing something other than eating dirt?
mircea_popescu: it's like... we're so far ahead of the curve, we will PRETEND to be playing all others' hands, too. because... w/e.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne one of the most amusing things, to me, is that the entire "black domination" subtrend in porn is driven almost entirely by white men.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne "murder". in the immortal words of butch, "if he were a better boxer he'd still be alive"
mircea_popescu: banking, mostly. but the us raped them.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu when you're willing to accept that theft is okay, how many more steps is murder? Europe and the US already murders vast quantities of people in Africa
justJanne: And the solution for that was:
mircea_popescu: purely economic. as hitler actually pointed out : we don't have enough land to exploit. either we fight or "the way of life" has to change.
justJanne: mircea_popescu: the Nordic model is possible without any valuable resources.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Share the dead bodies
williamdunne: I'm impressed with how quick shes climbing the stats
mircea_popescu: sure, if you get a shitton of oil when oil's valuable / fish when fish is valuable etc, the "nordic model" is a great way to share it.
justJanne: Germany can only have a positive state household by exploiting southern Europe.
BingoBoingo: No wonder the Greeks are taking over the EU's jools
mircea_popescu: justJanne so far you've not considered the part where it is already collapsing on its own, bnecause it doesn't work, because it's strictly based on getting lucky.
mircea_popescu: which is thefundamental problem with manhood.
justJanne: I have no issue explaining people why removing the Nordic model would be bad.
mircea_popescu: if those schmucks had any idea about their important place in keeping adlai happy...
mircea_popescu: where the old woman doctrine has the nice counterpart of the freely provided fun stuff to do by the palestinians.
trinque: so yeah the cell's fine whatever, sun's shining out there today
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the only place where that model is actually sustainable is... israel.
trinque: so they're all already smashed into obedience, and were born there
mircea_popescu: such as "northern countries" w/e that may mean.
BingoBoingo: justJanne: Seeing as the library profession here requires a graduate degree it wouldn't be sustainable here.
davout: justJanne: you underestimate the percentage of people that would do anything to merely get some social interaction, aka feel lonely
justJanne: BingoBoingo: then you'd have a hard time here, 90% of all librarians are volunteers.
BingoBoingo: <justJanne> davout: and what about volunteer librarians? They too? << I am a librarian. Volunteering without compensation is a violation of my professional ethics.
mircea_popescu: justJanne if it's not worth paying for it wasn't that good in the first place.
davout: justJanne: just because you don't see what folks get out of a deal doesn't mean they're not getting anything
justJanne: True. But it shows that people have the will and ability to do good without pay.
williamdunne: Some in the gutter..
trinque: everyone has their place!
davout: justJanne: i don't know lol, you were talking about firemen, guess they're bored or something, but then again, you don't only see volunteer librarians in societies that "work well"
trinque: justJanne: you cannot begin to imagine the bore of a planned out life for a male... good fucking god
justJanne: They too?
mircea_popescu: justJanne they especially.
mircea_popescu: nah, latinos mostly do c style work (figure out the least you can get away with and do less htan that).
justJanne: davout: and what about volunteer librarians? They too?
BingoBoingo: Luck? The benevolent ghost of the Kaiser
BingoBoingo: <justJanne> Bit that's not the case. << Why do the Greeks and Spaniards work longer hours and yet Krautenvacations are longest vacations?
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 23:51:02; justJanne: because they are volunteers.
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1137219 <<< volunteer firemen work for the extra cunt
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "it's not the case" ?
williamdunne: On a similar note, I considered dunne.so and thug.so as alternative to thethug.life
justJanne: Bit that's not the case.
ben_vulpes: <justJanne> If you want total anarchy, go to somalia, they live it. << lol u and somalia
assbot: Logged on 19-05-2015 06:28:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137583 << yes. and it only works for as long as there's free herring in the scania straight, or for as long as kennedy is ein berliner and airlifts food for free, or for as long as the north sea oil lasts, or for as long as insane luck rolls keep going. otherwise, fuckall, german peasants were the most unfortunate wretches throughout the intermediate pe
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137845 << there is your controlling counter justJanne. do you know what the scania thing references ?
justJanne: Since then, I'm just defending the current position.
mircea_popescu: the nordic model consists of being lucky, is all.
justJanne: That's how the whole thing started.
justJanne: Someone yesterday asked what's so bad about abolishing the Nordic model.
mircea_popescu: actually everyone does, is the amusing thing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There's always the lover's quarrels with those two. Could just be phosphorous is getting expensive...
justJanne: I even read dozens of logs of the chat before.
mircea_popescu: you've done what a hacker news reader would do, reading the usg piece instead of my piece and imagining "oh i read about crypto"
justJanne: And it made me even more convinced it is a great system in theory. Not in reality.
williamdunne: The blogs here
williamdunne: justJanne: Poor would benefit as much as anyone else, well, the working poor
williamdunne: justJanne: I shared all of your opinions at first, thought MP was a cock etc. I then had the decency to spend ~9 months reading logs and blogs before speaking
ben_vulpes tries to imagine the wealth of nagants bequeathed after a dozen cycles
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> <justJanne> Currently the food production of the world could support 10 billion people. << that's not the point. sure, food could be produced to feed 10, 100, one trillion. does not mean anyone wants more idiots running around. too many as it is. << Speaking about agriculture. Lots of fallow fields this year.
ben_vulpes: neither of which etc etc
justJanne: Especially the "let poor people become poorer" and the "rich become richer" part.
ben_vulpes: this is why we must insist on the log-reading, regardless of how cute or female.
mircea_popescu: ever read anythng on the topic ?
mircea_popescu: they were taken out of the context you intended them in and placed in the wider context prevailing here.
justJanne: By people saying they want no subsidies, but TTIP
trinque: people review the logs and respond; get used to it
williamdunne: justJanne: You're joining the argument, not the other way around
williamdunne: Their positions are all in there
williamdunne: Read the logs
justJanne: If the others want to join the argument, they have to also measure themselves to your statements.
williamdunne: Something I have said does not apply to others here
justJanne: Several others said the same before.
ben_vulpes: <justJanne> trinque: you guys said you wanted a place where "no man rules over other men", no taxes, no government, no controls, no streets. << source or seriously get the fuck out
mircea_popescu: who said this and where did they say it ?
justJanne: trinque: you guys said you wanted a place where "no man rules over other men", no taxes, no government, no controls, no streets.
mircea_popescu: <justJanne> Currently the food production of the world could support 10 billion people. << that's not the point. sure, food could be produced to feed 10, 100, one trillion. does not mean anyone wants more idiots running around. too many as it is.
justJanne: As long as this place can stay the way it is.
williamdunne: Because they enforce it on others, if they want to create a commune go for it
williamdunne: They aren't being punished, they simply are
justJanne: Why should they be punished for their parents poorness?
williamdunne: The difference is the initiation
justJanne: So everyone should, after birth, have the same chances?
justJanne: So, williamdunne, you say people don't deserve to be punished for the actions of their ancestors?
cazalla: justJanne, hope you get raped by a gang of marauding muslims over there
justJanne: I think trinque was the one saying it?
ben_vulpes: and you deserve to be raped for supporting socialism then?
justJanne: And you said people deserve to be punished for the actions for their ancestors.
trinque: the fucking end
trinque: justJanne: there is allowing the state to control the definition of money and of ownership.
justJanne: There is no stealing.
williamdunne: The fact that there is an organization doing it on your behalf makes it no better
ben_vulpes: but the average of opinions is good, because it includes everyone!1
williamdunne: It gives the idea of legitimacy to bad things
williamdunne: In that case with voting there is -1 freedom
justJanne: Without voting, there is 0 freedom
justJanne: Voting makes it 50% freedom, as at least 50% of the people gets their choice.
justJanne: But without voting there is 0 freedom.
justJanne: Without even the ability to vote on this, TTIP is unconstitutional.
trinque: what I do want is other people signing contracts on my behalf.
justJanne: You should read the treaty.
justJanne: Then you don't want TTIP
williamdunne: I just like the idea of suing government, wasn't aware that you could sue for removed subsidies
justJanne: So no, you can't produce cheese and call it Gouda or Cheddar in the US anymore.
justJanne: And adds European IP law in the US, and US IP law in Europe.
justJanne: Because it forces governments to keep subsidies, or increase them.
justJanne: Then you should be against TTIP
williamdunne admittedly only read about the "er mer gerd evul cerperatshuns rapin guv"
justJanne: They might be corrupt, but they aren't that corrupt.
justJanne: The EU commissioners, albeit getting lobbied to by many companies to pass TTIP just leaked all secret treaties they are working on.
ben_vulpes: this Janne babe's doing a number on the chan, smack in the middle of the keymageddon.
ben_vulpes: in what world are all of the politicians in any situation not wholly owned by capital?
justJanne: Or changing the constitution first.
justJanne: You can't pass a law without either bribing half of them,
ben_vulpes: not those who buy the votes. no never that.
justJanne: The power is in the commission and the parliament
justJanne: The EU council has actually no say.
trinque: does germany own the EU politically now?
justJanne: For the first time in the past 3000 years we have no wars between EU countries.
justJanne: But the wars inside of EU are history.
williamdunne: Feeding them is useless
ben_vulpes: but saving randos on another continent? idgaf.
justJanne: Or rather, how to get wars.
justJanne: And that's the issue what's wrong with this world.
justJanne: I am saying: just the food you let go to waste would be enough to feed the starving people in Africa.
williamdunne: But they don't
williamdunne: Waste is a fact, there is no real way around it
ben_vulpes: suuuure, if all the food were spread really thinly across the whole population base, we could all live on gruel!
trinque: "at this rate of emptying the tank we could support infinite trucks"
ben_vulpes: were it all dispersed evenly across everyone, rather than proportionately to their ability to pay.
justJanne: But about 40% of the produced food is wasted.
justJanne: Currently the food production of the world could support 10 billion people.
ben_vulpes: justJanne: there are simply too many people on this planet
justJanne: BingoBingo: the issue is that you can't walk around in larger towns anymore, and that's where bikes become useful. And no, people don't steal it. Hell, I've left my laptop hundreds of times on random park benches in heavily frequented parks, never stolen. In my neighborhood most people don't even lock their doors.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137760 << obv, as displayed in chat. the most amusing part being the implicit expectation one'd care. which apparently only exists because it was never challenged.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137742 << well, what they say they're doing and what they're actually doing in training exercises is famously divorced.
trinque: could be like "and then we're going to own half this city" and so on, with thrusts
assbot: Logged on 19-05-2015 02:00:50; mats: this occurred under the management of three supply dudes, each of them who successively transferred to another unit before shit hit the fan, and to my knowledge nobody's been locked up yet
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137702 << sounds exactly like the chinese palace of pu yi
BingoBoingo: driving alone on a road in the middle of nowhere during the day, just might take first place
trinque: I used to get a lot of thinking done driving between the major cities in TX; past a certain hour there's nobody out there
BingoBoingo: And if one can't walk with leisure to all places of import in the town, the town sucks
mircea_popescu: "on this point, there can be no debate!"
BingoBoingo: The natural order of things is you walk around town and drive (car, horse, rocket) between towns.
assbot: Logged on 19-05-2015 01:12:44; justJanne: With less than 47% of the people owning cars, and everyone using bikes, public transport, and walking, the amount of overweight people reduces drastically.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137652 << this is true. famine is what made eastern european girls such hotties the past 2-3 decades. it's fading, of course.
mircea_popescu: there's no rule that "everyone must has", be it equal chances or whatever else. there's also no rule that everyone's just as good as everyone else.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137636 << then you suck and should be dead in the first place.
assbot: Logged on 19-05-2015 01:07:21; jurov: will The Most Serene Republic cover your medical expenses in case of accident?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137626 << no. and neither will slovakia. unless it's a good deal for them, making it a cheap way to acquire publicity rights for your case for instance.
assbot: Logged on 19-05-2015 01:04:12; justJanne: Your employer has to send that money to the govt.
mircea_popescu: i get it, you got how to throw a great party down, once someone prepares the cupboards. very impressed.
assbot: Logged on 19-05-2015 00:58:49; justJanne: And the personal freedom in the Nordic model is larger than in the US.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137583 << yes. and it only works for as long as there's free herring in the scania straight, or for as long as kennedy is ein berliner and airlifts food for free, or for as long as the north sea oil lasts, or for as long as insane luck rolls keep going. otherwise, fuckall, german peasants were the most unfortunate wretches throughout the intermediate period between first
mircea_popescu: "Doubtless the danger of infection is exaggerated to-day in its sociological dangerous manner."
mircea_popescu: yes, yes, the one with tb will die first and the one with leprosy stinks worst. big whoop.
assbot: Logged on 19-05-2015 00:59:33; justJanne: Because the US is a reference point as worst case civilized country.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137586 << yes, it is. so is germany. the situation here is that a leper and a phtysic point at each other.
mircea_popescu: corruption is commerce that dares work against one's ideological goals. the mere fact that this could happen invalidates that one's thinking, and the fact it happens i npractice, and not even exceptionally but to the degree it can no longe be ignored even by the wilfully ignorant ...
trinque: they're incredibly obedient, which is probably fine under sane circumstances
mircea_popescu: me persuading people to betray uncle sam = corruption!111 ; congress coming up with fatca to FORCE people into betraying their own customers = rule of law
mircea_popescu: all the shoulding and oughting and wanting is outright criminal.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137579 << for the record, corruption is the only thing that's actually good, just, sane and humane in that discussion.
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mats: windows could just rasterize PostScript and run the VM in user mode
asciilifeform: trinque> praise to the guy still using the DOS point of sale << saw this alive in b-a
asciilifeform: <mats> fun fact: there is a Turing-complete printer control VM in the winders kernel << the contents of winblows kernel are - imho - approximately as interesting as buruli ulcer. and for the same reason.
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mats: "The average class of 2015 borrower will graduate college with just over $35,000 in debt, according to an analysis by Edvisors, ...[that] makes the class of 2015 the most indebted class in history, graduating with a whopping $56 billion in student loan debt."
trinque: praise to the guy still using the DOS point of sale... I bet nobody knows how to break into that anymore
trinque: next time you're in a restaurant try to spot the XP running on the terminals
mats: for the enterprising d00d there r a number of 0days in there
trinque: apparently there are good reasons for all kinds of rape these days
mats: you'd think there's not a good reason for the kernel to need PostScript
trinque: the perception is probably due to myriad shitty filters and ppd's by printer manufacturers
BingoBoingo: CUPS is weird. Sometimes it just works, othertimes catches fire.
mats: another fun fact: there's also a Turing-complete PostScript VM in the kernel
trinque: then 5 years later that's a part of history and you can't change that, who are you?
trinque: dev is insecure about whether his app covers all cases so he does things like that, builds a goddamn scripting layer into the thing because you know printing needs that
decimation: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2010/0302/US-grants-German-homeschoolers-asylum.-Will-others-follow "But German media have portrayed the case as an insult to the German system. Many Germans are shocked to learn that 1.5 million children in the US are homeschooled and that the practice is legal in countries like France, Italy, and Ireland.
trinque autisms in the corner
mats: fun fact: there is a Turing-complete printer control VM in the winders kernel
trinque: yeah I'm sure that informs the "modern" sensibilities
decimation: you start gasing the enemy's cities, he can nuke/gas yours
decimation: the main problem with chemical weapons is the 'moral debt' they incur
decimation: under the right conditions I guess they could kill alot of people
mats: absurdly expensive compared to the cost of a 5.56 round
decimation: the game is just to minimize it I guess
decimation: there's no doubt that a 'real' chemical attack is gonna result in alot of deaths
mats: guys in the chemical corps were some of the most crazy ive ever met
decimation: "Soldiers from all branches of the Armed Forces, civilian first responders, and some foreign military attend the chemical school for training in various types of chemical detection and survival through several courses including practice in a hot zone where actual toxic agents such as the Sarin and VX nerve agents."
BingoBoingo: The wild of armadillo was of course in it's natural state dead on the side of the road
BingoBoingo: This weekend I was traveling the still more southern parts of illinois, saw the first wild armadillo I've seen east of the missippi
decimation: he said it took several hours to donn/duff the gear
mats fondly remembers training event where we were forced to go MOPP 3 (overboots, gas mask, most of the NBC gear) with body armor and run around the track on a summer afternoon
mats: fort lost in the woods -- never again.
decimation: I guess they are 'too busy'
decimation: one wonders why the hell usg doesn't investigate this kind of stuff
mats: check out the seller's profile
mats: pallets of MREs would regularly go missing at the end of field exercises
decimation: mats: I shudder to think about what the rest of usg is up to
mats: meanwhile they pocket 70% of what the unit actually allotted for a meal
mats: fuckers would feed us pasta, one or two meatballs, and week old salad as often as they could
mats: even the cooks were doing it
mats: the skimming going on was incredible lol
decimation: they talk the talk, but the actual 'walk' is 'play the bureaucratic/democratic politics game'
mats: the ugly status of officer corps is why i didn't stay in ROTC in univ
decimation: sure, and rather than trusting in his judgment, usg sees fit to shower him with thousands of 'requirements'
decimation: if some random staff officer can demand that every 2lt must sign for whatever derpy training or equipment kind invalidates the 'chain of command'
mats: because of the structure of officer corps, evaluations bear enormous weight, and you simply cannot ever fuck up
decimation: 'everyone knows' they are lying
mats: there is this thing known as "zero defect" officers
decimation: mats did you see that econtalk link I posted about lying in the military
mats: this occurred under the management of three supply dudes, each of them who successively transferred to another unit before shit hit the fan, and to my knowledge nobody's been locked up yet
mats: in my short stint, i shit you not, things like uparmored vehicles, munitions, and all sorts of tactical gear (e.g. night vision goggles, range finders, body armor) vanished into thin air, leaving the commander on the hook
pete_dushenski: lol right. "we make the best reports on the things we ate for breakfast. they're quite unparalleled in detail and accuracy."
decimation: it's funny. the troupe of the corrupt supply sergeant probably has a good basis in fact
mats: can't imagine the kind of devilry a bent brigade quartermaster or commander can get up to
mats: i witnessed a pretty serious amount of theft and graft, even at the company level in .mil
pete_dushenski: and they're awful to work for if you have ambition and half a functioning intellect.
pete_dushenski: they're mostly funded and staffed to the rafters.
pete_dushenski: and the relative quality of their output compared to the derpy canadian private enterprises still doesn't speak to how poorly they're run.
midnightmagic: Stats canada provides superior-quality reports to private enterprise. Environment Canada is the source for pretty much all weather everywhere in Canada.. Health Canada has very little politics in it, necessarily.
mod6: all you need is one trip to the post office
pete_dushenski: a year, mebbe a year and a half is perfectly sufficient to understand the insanity-on-a-stick that is state-run anything.
danielpbarron: i bike amongst a sea of cars (ct shoreline gets crazy in the summer)
justJanne: Bike is the only solution. (Or public transport)
danielpbarron: oh they clearly beat walking
justJanne: They do.
BingoBoingo: Bikes don't have a clear niche where the really beat pedestrianism, motorcarriages, or rocket plane
danielpbarron: i ride a bike everywhere in the spring/summer
justJanne: With less than 47% of the people owning cars, and everyone using bikes, public transport, and walking, the amount of overweight people reduces drastically.
justJanne: Tbh, I like cities where you have to use the bike.
justJanne: In a few years, the US will have reached the level of freedom that somalia has.
justJanne: Then go live in the US.
danielpbarron: no they don't
danielpbarron: the poor should be poorer

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