mircea_popescu: fake meaningless numbers processed as if they weren't. fucking fiat mindrot
gabriel_laddel: Graphs are the future yo
mircea_popescu: here's a count of the items i've been counting : 833
gabriel_laddel: I needed an avatar for an example WoT program and dipped into the xxx folder
mircea_popescu: that is a very different statement from the statement you're actually making.
gabriel_laddel: Nah, justification is available, I just don't want it cluttering the presentation.
mircea_popescu: "From this point forward it is assumed you have set aside some time to learn Masamune and need no justification for as to why any particular abstraction has been chosen." << so is this a cult then ?
gabriel_laddel: The 20 number isn't a hard limit by any means, and I suppose I should change it because I pulled it out of my arse.
gabriel_laddel: After ~20 people you lose the ability for everyone to know everyone else.
mircea_popescu: see, this is the golden rule of magic numbers : if you use one and then need context to indentify it, you've misused a magic number.
mircea_popescu: anyway. so how did you come up with the 20 figure ?
gabriel_laddel: I'm clearly valuable, other people take care of me.
gabriel_laddel: I've been broke for like a year, working on that which interests me so that I can make large sums of money rather than the 70-100k/yr you get programming. Also, money is just a system for communicating ideas about value - if one has value it can be turned into money and vice versa.
mircea_popescu: ;;; communicate using the computer are quite simple." is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise.
mircea_popescu: the money part.
gabriel_laddel: So... you remember the tide usd vs. usd usd discussion?
mircea_popescu: but listen, if you're broke is thsi sort of grand architectural commitment the bestest policy ?
gabriel_laddel: also, I'm broke, otherwise I'd just buy one.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: if you know someone in the SF Bay area who would throw me a computer, that would be tight.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: need to find a box to hack the install proc on
BingoBoingo: Eh, the rougher part is people with the grey and white matter in tact with the senses failing
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NOncx2jU0Q << Why they're trying to replicate the human hand/arm exactly idk
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Sometimes other senses fail first
mircea_popescu: mike_c "легальные резиденты" my ratting comment @ the_scourge ? lol
BingoBoingo: alf is more Russian than them prolly
BingoBoingo: alf is one of them
mircea_popescu: http://netsledov.ru/issledovateli-bezopasnosti-vzlomali-4096-bitnye-rsa-kluchi/ moar ru. apparently they really like alf.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel The more time I spend with nonegenarians the kinder dementia pugilistica sounds
mircea_popescu: quartz chips under the blade if not epoxied
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think he prefers the salutation "panzer" when so hailed
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/#comment-114287 << achtung asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: However much is on the surface
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BingoBoingo: Oh, but countertop quartz, are you expecting a single piece? Most nao are chip and epoxy abominations unless you beat the greek (stone people are almost always greek) appropriately
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: braced behind the chop << old-school chopping blocks did not have 'chin rests' but were something like butcher blocks
BingoBoingo: Also countertops, just fuck it. Granite bleeds radon and marble stains. Just install block and sand, then replace in a decade.
BingoBoingo: That is pretty beautiful. Probably will be for another decade or two
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: looked rather like this: http://poselok1928.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/112.jpg
BingoBoingo: And because squirrels plant it before cats eat them for winter sustenance, squirrels plant them in the worst places
BingoBoingo: My biggest annoyance at this phase of the summer's landscaping gigs is actually hickory. Lives forever, quality wood... but... The squirrels plant it. It lays low for a couple years and then zoom towards the heavens.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There's a couple of older birch trees near here. Exceptional because... don't look much like the other birches.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hard to trust a tree that struggles to live twice as long as a dog << brings up a point re: another tree. in ru, folks traditionally are fascinated with the huge birch forests. but consider, birch is a short-lived 'pioneer species'
decimation: english 'liberty' as founded in the magna carta is just repeating asperations until they become true
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/nicholas_vincen.html < "The myth, even as early as the 12th century, that the English are freeborn people--it's a load of nonsense; they come from Troy; they are the exiles from ancient Troy defeated by the Greeks: they go off and they found this kingdom of England from which they eventually get a king called Arthur. But they are a freedom-loving people. They live under liberty and freedom. Of
BingoBoingo: And poplars too have a purpose. If you are otherwise broke, have rain, and really want firewood for next winter...
mircea_popescu: i guess there's that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno hitchiker whores can make it to 40 and become settled whores unless they roll a Ted Bundy
asciilifeform: decimation: failure mode - as with most mechanisms under the sun - is from operation outside of envelope.
mircea_popescu: " more mice than meaningful social roles. With more and more peers to defend against" << that's the hot core of failure.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo poplars are the hitchiker whore of trees. cheap, available and ineffectual.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is an excellent model for the reddit/tumblr/etc failure modes.
BingoBoingo: But not really Lombary Poplars suck. Grow too fast, insufficient trunk strength, gets blown over on the first strong wind. And if it doesn't blow over dies at 30 anyways because fuck you.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still there, just not poplar enough
decimation: that at trying to immanentize the eschaton
trinque: it does, the in-group signaling thing makes a lot of sense too though, and furthermore that things you can only say in your in-group are the best signals
decimation: from my point of view the whole 'gay rights' thing looks to be about bossing around whitey who cowers in learned helplessness
mircea_popescu: now, the "kill men" bla bla is exactly this : a forced jew meme for that particular subculture.
mircea_popescu: trinque the jew part i really can't explain. but a forced meme is what cancerous fags do when they try to create a meme. which is EXACTLY like what idiot kids do when they "create exchange", but exactly. ignorance so ignorant it doesn't grok why it's being ignorant but thinks itself clever.
trinque: but there's a specific blend of queer and self-destructive I've met enough times to know it's a thing
asciilifeform: a group Calhoun termed the beautiful ones, never sought sex and never foughtthey just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection. Elsewhere, cannibalism, pansexualism, and violence became endemic. Mouse society had collapsed.'
asciilifeform: in large groups in the middle of the enclosure, their listless withdrawal occasionally interrupted by spasms and waves of pointless violence. The victims of these random attacks became attackers. Left on their own in nests subject to invasion, nursing females attacked their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males,
asciilifeform: 'Mice found themselves born into a world that was more crowded every day, and there were far more mice than meaningful social roles. With more and more peers to defend against, males found it difficult and stressful to defend their territory, so they abandoned the activity. Normal social discourse within the mouse community broke down, and with it the ability of mice to form social bonds. The failures and dropouts congregated
BingoBoingo: trinque: Homosexuality is a thing. A number of people do it with a strong irreplacable preferance and given the roster that includes turing it isn't a thing to demonize.
mircea_popescu: trinque you familiar with the concepts of jews and forced memes ?
trinque: I have no issue whatsoever with homosexuality... this thing though where what... the actual reproducing members of the species must die?
mircea_popescu: straight to largest brothel. "i want a girl"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the thousand dollar whore joke ?
trinque: the psychology of some of these people just says "couldn't pull the trigger, didn't even have a gun"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: though, to be fair, it is 'mined' rather than synthesized ab initio. mined by selecting folks with some inclination pre-existing
trinque: someone's too full of plastic or what have you, and suddenly they're transfluid-hyperqueer
decimation: 'time for yer turn in the barrel'
trinque wonders if there's such a thing as reproductive suicide, biologically speaking
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo whether they're women or not is not up to them. gender is something allocated to one. by, in this case, me. << I see this.
asciilifeform: iirc kakobrekla has one of these also.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo whether they're women or not is not up to them. gender is something allocated to one. by, in this case, me.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But the people pushing the trans/cis thing largely aren't women. They are some large women and some men who have modified their sex to a null state.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sjws, actually masturbate, at least mentally, to the idea of them being blind from birth street urchin... pet sayeth - summarized: 'more complicated than this. by and large, they diagnose themselves with imagined disabilities and enjoy wearing magic disability mantle.'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo personally, i find the aggitation of marginal women which i'd never fuck or empower anyway about how things should be very entertaining.
BingoBoingo: Lafonde guy is pretty good for the current events http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2409&pr=0
BingoBoingo: I kinda figure normal ordinary responsible people should refocus the conversation on dext vs. levo rotary. dext (normal) rotary amphetamine feels good man. levo just induces stress reactions and nihilism.
mircea_popescu: irony is wasted on the stupid.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I had a few lols today investigating the #diecisscum and #killallwhitemen things today << I dunno why trans would label their opposition cis- because when talking isomers... transgeometric isomers tend to be poisonous, or at least less supporting of continued life than cis isomers.
decimation: more like the next season
decimation: the verdant landscape suddenly dries and goes poof
mircea_popescu: in a land which had biomass growth pedal to the floor.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: after christianity (and possibly mithraism before it) pushed this notion as far as the pedal would go, for 2k yrs, big surprise ?
mircea_popescu: worthy of their own pity.
mircea_popescu: because IN THAT CONTEXT, they would be heroes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, i suspect a large number of the rapemeat, aka sjws, actually masturbate, at least mentally, to the idea of them being blind from birth street urchin sexually abused on a constant basis.
decimation: nah, I think the western statism is simple Christianity without god - 'god is dead, it's up to us to build heaven on earth'
trinque: I had a few lols today investigating the #diecisscum and #killallwhitemen things today
trinque: asciilifeform: this seems to be the victim culture thing
mircea_popescu: but you see, the idea being, that if they had no body AT ALL... they wouldn't have failed.
asciilifeform: the fantasy, like magnet, has opposite pole of 'body exchange hell' as well as heaven
mircea_popescu: at which point the fantasy of magical body exchanges is, like the armchair generalship of you know, running mpex from the forum, a very natural escape.
mircea_popescu: depression incumbent then is resolved as a "yes but my REAL SELF has not come yet"
mircea_popescu: the western rapemeats' driver is on the contrary : look how much i should have achieved and how utterly i have failed at all of it.
asciilifeform: but specifically the 'you, yes you, -could- be a leprous beggar!' thing
mircea_popescu: see, the hindu psychological driver is coping with harsh environment. so that models the person one way.
asciilifeform: 'short of death, the ultimate relinquishment of responsibility'
asciilifeform: iirc orwell had one of these
mircea_popescu: specifically, actual life is too much of a burden, so they wish to be... well killed, basically.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would say they believe in... descuamation.
trinque: my thought was that the average person has always been this semi-mindless imitator, quite human to try to tend towards the middle, whatever that may be
asciilifeform: then realized that hindu, who believes in it, behaves very differently from 'rawlsians'
asciilifeform: i used to wonder whether the 'rawlsian ignorance' folks might -actually- believe in reincarnation. like hindu
decimation: because it jams the markets with crazy nonsense
decimation: ^ which is why fiat currency is so wrapped up in the socialist megastate
mircea_popescu: because if you can't, you ain't buying it. and if you ain't buying it, might as well take the 2nd.
mircea_popescu: "you can either buy this thing which works, or this thing which is free." "but does it work ?" "no."
mircea_popescu: at the cost of necessary futility, yes.
decimation: yeah but as trinque pointed out earlier, the socialist state has the advantage of 'cheap coordination'
mircea_popescu: (and it's necessarily vacuous for the reason discussed in "the problem of ideal systems")
asciilifeform: trinque: not unlike the difference between car speeding along on a clean road, and engine on fire. in both cases, petrol combusts
mircea_popescu: trinque the socialist state is necessarily intellectually vacuous
trinque: seems obedience is a fine thing if the directions given to it are any good
trinque: only part I don't know about is whether this is a sort of inauthentic behavior on the part of the shopkeeper
mircea_popescu: hence all the prostitution cults.
asciilifeform: archaeologists tell us about, e.g., ancient minoan 'palace economies' where -everybody- had to go to the central cloth dispensary to get woven cloth where gurlz toiled in the weaving hall. but those who sat in the palaces may have pictured themselves at the 'stellar apex' but had nothing on modern idiotron. minoans did not, afaik, have to go to the palace to get fucked.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is why idiot rawls and his "veil of ignorance" is so important for the "nordic system" ie, socialism re-emergent. it's not the direct pseudo-ethics it derps around with that's the core there. it's the proposition, unwarranted and offensive, that people have no more substance than replaceable parts, and that their connections in the graph do not exist.
mircea_popescu: there we go
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:50:13; mircea_popescu: the socialist state does not want a normally functioning society, but instead this stellar configuration where the state is at the center,
mircea_popescu: !s itself at the center
trinque: the obedience mechanism, whatever that is
trinque: "He does it because these things must be done if one is to get along in life." << this must be entirely automatic
mircea_popescu: intelligent, educated fellow with direct access to the thing and a deep interest in documenting it. one rarely gets better.
asciilifeform: ' It offers human beings the illusion of an identity, of dignity, and of morality while making it easier for them to part with them.'
mircea_popescu: the gestapo, is not pointed out enough, consisted of a small office with a few bureaucrats overwhelmed by citizen reports irl,
trinque: watching the phuctor story unfold as a bystander, it really opens ones eyes to the... call it participatory nature of a totalitarian system
decimation: ^ and designed the nordic system
mircea_popescu: and fucked napoleon's mother.
asciilifeform: if cows could speak, they might very well tell us that they believe themselves to have invented barns
mircea_popescu: the idea that "the people" should have a voice is not unlike the notion that cows should design their own barns.
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 02:48:29; decimation: I remember the haters all complaining that bitcoin was 'not stable'
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 02:36:17; AdrianoOliveira: decimation: at least for the Brazilian market I can confirm that... today's volume at local exchanges was about 280 BTC and I got a user offering me 140 out of exchanges
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I didn't know. Thanks for the pro tip.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: generally speaking - what does 'failing' mean there ?
mircea_popescu personally knows ex-slavegirl trainee. failed out of slavedom bootcamp, is now working callcenter. what most meat does irl, the world over.
mircea_popescu: felipelalli did you manage to rate him in the end ?
BingoBoingo: All the gab you want at bargain prices
asciilifeform: trinque: aha. and now imagine if one of the slaves were to get bored and start playing with his console in unsanctioned ways
BingoBoingo: trinque: They are a thing, welcome to glabalization
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 02:24:43; jurov: decimation: they are already in germany building nordic system
decimation: even the us thinks that its political system is responsible for having vast natural resources/destroying the world twice
mircea_popescu: it's always the same iirc.
mircea_popescu: it is the nature of human stupidity to ascertain positive outcomes to personal merit and negative outcomes to environmental hostility.
asciilifeform: trinque: i've entertained the thought that it is one of the ill-fated philippinos going off the reservation
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 02:22:08; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140385 < free herring is nice, but plenty of other places have free herring/oil/usg favors
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141047 << and all of them, WITHOUT EXCEPTION insist they have some "one twu way" idiotic system.
trinque: strange the guy has a compulsion to come here, but mostly emits word salad
BingoBoingo: meowmix seems to consistently come from near danielpbarron's neck of the woods. Perhaps an ex?
mircea_popescu: THE COLOR MAUVE
asciilifeform: the antipodal vexual.
mircea_popescu: doesn't that mean you LOVE them ?
mircea_popescu: how about the crab people ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno man... they made me a sammich...
hondapiston: Nexus 6 is the best phone
mircea_popescu: basically, the east germans came up with a rationalization of their soviet time. "we really were right. excesses were made but..."
assbot: Logged on 20-05-2015 14:32:14; mircea_popescu: instead of parading them naked through the streets with a "i was a fucktard and am now sorry" thing around their neck, they let them sit around for twenty years coming up with reasons as to how their idiocy "wasn't really all that bad".
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140388 < note that her 'Nordic system' is simply derpy marxism that was recycled through the us as 'progressivism' and then indoctrinated by harvard circa 1945
mircea_popescu: decimation she wasn't a socialist, she was a northernsystemalist. stop arguing about your imaginary political systems that don't exist!
decimation: \me imagines another 1000 log-lines
mircea_popescu: trinque yes, that's the word. and we know it is the fact of the matter from say the kidneys.
scoopbot_revived: The issue of exponents in RSA http://trilema.com/2015/the-issue-of-exponents-in-rsa/
mircea_popescu: just because there's proof sylex spears were used by ns does not mean a superarmy of drilled regiments of standard-uniformed neanderthals.
mircea_popescu: understand : people of year 52015 will say "humans had internet" sure, they did. so ?
decimation: yeah it does seem rather dubious
mircea_popescu: but the bear is playful. nobody is fucking wrestling a bull solo.
mircea_popescu: decimation the derpy european bear (small, brown guy, about 4 foot tall standing) is to this day (or rather, the 1800s) an informal "absolute top of young male physical ability"
decimation: well, if the practice continued into roman times, I wouldn't want to face some dude who wrested an auroch and won
mircea_popescu: they surely did occasionally. neanderthals are kinda like monkeys.
trinque: "endurance hunting" was the thing right?
decimation: you don't think they killed a giant auroch by hand
decimation: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2339&pr=0 < "Neanderthals who survived into their thirties looked like they had been pulled out of a Humvee that was hit by an IED. One fellow was missing an eye, an arm, a thumb and a foot! These guys suffered from no known diseases. However, their main food [according to chemical analysis of their bones] was the auroch?basically a rodeo bull?which they had to kill be wrestling with it, stabb
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141011 << shit i had noticed the traffic was drooping
asciilifeform: i always assumed it was the roman decimation, l0l
mircea_popescu: these two are related.
mircea_popescu: i always thought that's the reference o.O
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: proposed article: any value above 3 which satisfies the traditional recipe (where n = pq, public e is less than n-1, and relatively prime to p-1 and q-1) will work.
mircea_popescu: that is one of them
BingoBoingo prefers circle of circle of minor fifths, prefers the devil's note
funkenstein_: "Major thirds move quickly around the 53-note circle of fifths, because of the decimation chosen to give preference to the fifth as representing the smallest change."
AdrianoOliveira: decimation: our economy is a mess at the moment... and I don't think things will be back on track soon.
BingoBoingo: ^ asking price goes up when you call the ticker and address your chosen market with its "butt" name
trinque: jurov: they've got some new SJW policy about being a "safe place"
decimation: I remember the haters all complaining that bitcoin was 'not stable'
trinque recalls the rabid euphoria on /r/bitcoinmarkets
AdrianoOliveira: these just want to buy something that is skyrocketing to sell in a couple days for a profit
AdrianoOliveira: decimation: at least for the older ones that's true... people under 30 actually don't remember/didn't experience that
AdrianoOliveira: decimation: I was just a kid at that time so I can't confirm... but I remember for instance that people run into the supermarket on the same day they received they paycheck to buy groceries because prices used to double overnight
decimation: AdrianoOliveira: I've heard that during the hyperinflation in brazil, most people held gold in bank deposit boxes
decimation: so if that's the case, bitcoin is 'on sale'
decimation: I donno, it seems to me that as long as any money is going into bitcoin, the 'price' relative to fiat is going to increas
AdrianoOliveira: decimation: lol... it seems they avoid buying it if it is cheap... it is better to buy high and sell low, hehe
jurov: decimation: they want to HODL
decimation: AdrianoOliveira: they only want to trade it if it is 'rich'?
AdrianoOliveira: decimation: it is indeed. most brazilians avoid the exchanges for several reasons... also people lost interest since the $1000/btc
decimation: jurov: do many people speak german there?
AdrianoOliveira: jurov: besides the taxes, if they try to sell/buy larger quantities they will move the market faster againt them
AdrianoOliveira: and I am not one of the big players here
AdrianoOliveira: decimation: at least for the Brazilian market I can confirm that... today's volume at local exchanges was about 280 BTC and I got a user offering me 140 out of exchanges
jurov: yeah, i suppose it's better to sell 10% lower under the counter and avoid taxes
decimation: jurov: I suspect much btc trading happens over the counter
jurov: there are too much we don't know
jurov: decimation no she'd see it a confirmation "yes they know it's good, too"
AdrianoOliveira: but I didn't go beyond the model/backtest
AdrianoOliveira: I started pricing a model for them for the brazilian market (basically an option which would cover the risks of dolar and bitcoin)
AdrianoOliveira: basically I first came here while studying the pricing of bitcoin options
AdrianoOliveira: i was a regular "listener" here... but I am absent for the last couple months
jurov: decimation: they are already in germany building nordic system
assbot: Logged on 20-05-2015 14:30:35; mircea_popescu: for as long as the free herring still lasts, they can run around derping about how they meditatively comprehensified the deep secrets of the universe.
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140385 < free herring is nice, but plenty of other places have free herring/oil/usg favors
assbot: Logged on 20-05-2015 21:58:54; ascii_field: what of the baseband ?
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140965 looked into it,unlike others the modem actually does not have access to memory or storage, communicates to cpu via uart
bad_duck: but the node need to be connected / synched to get the "right" timestamp, during initial sync / update after downtime the timestamp on the left would likely be wrong
bad_duck: danielpbarron: dependd if the node is running for a long time, it has it after the initial sync (and some missing / wrong poing after downtime when resync / getting last blocks)
bad_duck: danielpbarron: anyway I want some more data so I'm looking for someone who is listening the network for a long time / has logs