asciilifeform: but one of you fellas might be the lucky one.
asciilifeform: i will point out, for the record, that i do not expect a proper key to break.
asciilifeform: aha. presently it's spinning wheels burning through the already tested material resubmitted (script lost place when box was powercycled by unknown hands)
mod6: danielpbarron: might be a good time to quick retest your key before the next batch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's the one sucking nsa cok
mircea_popescu: but the density of german ppls on that list is, as janna observed, significant enough to raise an eyebrow.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142287 << logically, if they're german it wouldnb't be the german FOREIGN intelligence ag would it now.
Hasimir: I can't complain, my initial stake came from a one night coding effort and then I traded on that and built it a little bit
Hasimir: I'd found some site that let me turn the lrusd into mtgox coupon code things, so I just churned through it
mircea_popescu: for all the difference it's gonna make.
mircea_popescu: let those people fix their broken implementation.
BingoBoingo: Well with factors message signing shouldn't be too much CPU mathing, but I guess if at this rate ~98 keys sign "lol I suck cocks" at the end of sks dump processing makes better Trilema post
mircea_popescu: but they're not doing that, because idiots.
mircea_popescu: of course, any of these twerps peanut-gallery-ing around COULD use their time to do any of the useful things obviously allowed by phuctor having, generously and very uncharacteristically for THEIR FIELD published a lot of raw results
Hasimir: oh, not counting people on any of the gpg mailing lists
Hasimir: depends on which wot really, I can think of one or two that would know the math well enough, but are not involved in bitcoin at all (the pgp wot, however, is another matter)
mircea_popescu: time enough to do that once the whole keyset's been combed
mircea_popescu: and the problem with that suggestion is that well, much more interesting to spend computational resources to enlarge the breach atm, than to go in depth.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Which is the value of Phuctor signing a sucks cocks message
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the thing is, some keys consist entirely of two moduli, both of which were factored.
mircea_popescu: but on its face, the notion that someone would even be vaguely relevant for crypto and NOT be in the wot at all is so ridiculous as to defy the mind.
mircea_popescu: Hasimir see http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/ and http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ and http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ and so on.
mircea_popescu: ^ in there.
mod6: jurov: ahh, ok, so let's talk about the best way to do this when we get a chance.
mircea_popescu: none of this having anything whatsoever to do with the actual math involved.
Hasimir: for example, there's no windows boxes here
mircea_popescu: and THEY are the ones who are NOT at liberty to make claims other than humbly and with a lot of proof.
Hasimir: mircea_popescu, I'm happy to test on the systems I've got here or have access to, but that's not a broad range
mircea_popescu: b-a is the sitting authority, not some random twerps on the mailing list of some random usg-mandated security theatre "product"
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:06:44; Hasimir: no one on that list has said, "this is the answer" - they're discussing theories and you're attacking them for doing so, it seems a bit odd
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142266 << he is not attacking them "for doing so". he, and i, and ~the rest of the world~ is pointing and laughing at them for their hallucinogenic subjective positioning where they seem to regard themselves as some sort of authority to whjich things are proven.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 im sure he meant http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << ahhh! ok. was soooo confused. was wondering if he bought a new domain ;)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That redress is if they wait too long to file in the first place. But if hearing that takes 2 years to schedule has to be blown off because prosecutor whales aren't ready... Maybe I have a disposition by $5000/BTC
Hasimir: it'd be more interesting because then you get to pursue them to find out what they're up to, like in any good detective story
asciilifeform: i, for instance, will find it more interesting if we learn that it was caused by displeasure of the gods
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And I object to calling the case It's proper title because as and Illinois people I reject consensus on the people of Illinois vs. me title
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know there is redress for it taking too long, but i dun think iut's taken too long enough yet.
Hasimir: well, I'm not here for argument, I'm here to try and find out what the cause is
mircea_popescu: i came here for an argument! this is just contradiction, an automated gainsaying of everything the op says!
mircea_popescu: what sort of argument is this supposed to be even, "it didn't spare all the boring folks".
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:00:35; Hasimir: didn't spare all the boring folks
mircea_popescu: mod6 im sure he meant http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 baby what happened there ? << not sure. anyway, even if I add in ".com" or w/e to that link jurov posted, still nada.
asciilifeform: he will have to sit down in the jail for trespassing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is a loose network of people who had fathers, went to school, read the occasional book even. for the bulk of the rest of the schmucks - above applies, yes
mircea_popescu: in what world is this sort of behaviour tolerated even of seven year olds, in their first year of schooling ?
mircea_popescu: have you people no families, no fathers, do you not spend any time with your parents, is there no school, are there no books, nothing ?
mircea_popescu: what exactly is happening in the us ? is it a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland where children are brought up mostly by wolves and weevils ?
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 21:56:03; Hasimir: but has since said he's not interested (the follow up by DKG has that)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142238 << dude check out the retarded children of today. "hi would you talk to me privately seeing how i'm too autistic to engage in the proper channels, of which i have a bevy at my disposal from www to irc ?" "no. and get your head out of your ass." "oh you know what ? I AM GOING TO PUBLISH YOUR EMAIL NAO BECAUSE MY HEAD WORKS FINE INSIDE MY ASS"
asciilifeform: forget for two weeks and it's the dulap !
mircea_popescu: you forgot to click the confirm link in your icann email ? :D
mircea_popescu: mod6 baby what happened there ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't get the impression his expectation is being directly paid.
BingoBoingo: Sometimes one needs to ride the rail before finding a train
BingoBoingo: To be fair odd idea people find their way here and he wants a Lispy Unix. You tried to break Opterons into Lisp-Machiners.
asciilifeform: but i'll let the man himself explain
asciilifeform: where the shit gets to turn into wine rather than vice-versa (what it does on -our- planet)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the way i understand, he thinks he has some kind of divine exception from the shit-wine-mixture-theorem
asciilifeform: all the private meangurlz whispering, srsly, l0l
asciilifeform: i haven't a clue on whom the trap sprung
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. and the implication i read was "a small prime AND ONLY THAT SMALL PRIME"
mircea_popescu: can they actually SAY WHO ?
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 21:54:53; ascii_field: LinuxCon and he told me that some folks complained that they can't encrypt to him. For other this was no problem, though.' << this part should surprise no one. the boobytrap works on -someone-.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142235 << so wait, we have actual experimental confirmation for the fabled http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/#selection-383.0-383.773 ?!
jurov: mircea_popescu: pls to mpex queue. and there's a lulzy bug, CANCEL|1 responds the order is mangled despite i do have this order
assbot: Logged on 20-05-2015 20:54:58; Apocalyptic: I multiply then the modulus N by 3 (or any other small prime, the value doesn't matter)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the implication i read in the quoted line was along the lines of Apocalyptic s http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-05-2015#1140786
gavmatic: I understand, thank you very much for the offer, I will keep this in mind.
gavmatic: thank you for the suggestion
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, but folks normally speak of the smallest prime factor
mircea_popescu: actuallky not even in the first 1mn, obviously.
mircea_popescu: now, 7 digit thing is prime. eminently not in the first 1k
gavmatic: it's more a hobby at the moment, writing i think is over valued in our culture :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i only got a chance to test the first 9 or so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how composite ? i clearly recall there being primes longer
asciilifeform: but the 'yeah we knew all this' is a typical crock'o'shit, yes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all the 10-digiters i found so far were, iirc, composite
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's a plain "don't use your own server/domain for your email" thing. which is not the only thing that's wrong with this, but in light of the recent humiliation clinton delivered upon them... << She used exchange, prolly pissed they had to risk a zero day
mircea_popescu: first 1000 primes as a factor." <<< aha. somebody's not really done their reading
asciilifeform not convinced that the earlier link has anything to do with the fella featured in above
mircea_popescu: Hasimir you should probably look into gossipd while at it, to understand why we think very little indeed of all these "solutions" or w/e they are, colored sugar beads.
asciilifeform: to the word salad version
asciilifeform: claims to be 'professor of xyz', blog on spambler appeared from nowhere, sole post is reprint of the idiot crud
asciilifeform: they were pissed after having to spend fiddybux bribing server monkey, aha
mircea_popescu: so now a contrived icann policy that, no doubt atr some point in the retarded comissions, had "it'll prevent private webservers" as a +
mircea_popescu: (you recall, she used her own set-up in her own office, the nsa couldn't get her emails aha)
mircea_popescu: it's a plain "don't use your own server/domain for your email" thing. which is not the only thing that's wrong with this, but in light of the recent humiliation clinton delivered upon them...
asciilifeform: or is it the tls idiocy
asciilifeform: why spam drop has to be in 'gmail' ? (not that this isn't one of the few remaining uses of it)
mircea_popescu: jesus christ these people.
mircea_popescu: oh fuck you in the head already
mircea_popescu: "One of the commenters on your other linked post (from when the policy was announced last year) mentioned having to create a Gmail account just to resolve the problem. Sure, that's a hardship after the fact, but there's little harm in proactively creating a Gmail account solely for the purpose of WHOIS contact."
mircea_popescu: Endnotes [1] It's since been pointed out to me that renewals don't trigger WAPs. Renewals were in the original specification but the Registrars Stakeholder Group managed to get it taken out.
asciilifeform: jurov: http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations
jurov: is the former public?
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 21:22:14; *: ascii_field found this by looking at The List, of course
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142195 << the list of people who died of starvation ?
asciilifeform: which is how i found the lolzatron
mircea_popescu: reading on the log...
asciilifeform: a few of the faux keys are labeled 'pgp corp. global directory'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Because the PGP Global Directory allows users to manage lost keys, it cannot use cryptographic mechanisms for verification. Instead, like mailing list servers and other public Internet services, the PGP Global Directory verifies a key by requiring a response to a verification email sent to each email address specified on the key. It also requires periodic re-confirmation for each advertised email address
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is not a default BECAUSE THEY VOTES.
asciilifeform: therewego.
mircea_popescu: see, the way this works is, if the ray is going across the wire, then nothing happens. but if the ray goes through the wire, as it can happen rarely (random rotational positioning), then it hits every 4th bit.
mircea_popescu: they're four bits long.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, we have now experimentally found the wavelength of cosmic rays.
BingoBoingo: Nordic System http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11347454/Mother-and-daughter-weigh-a-total-of-43-stone-and-get-34k-a-year-handouts-but-refuse-to-diet.html
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142175 << for them sacking is pointless, they don't have a qual programme so they'd just get the same muppets in a diff hat and have to remake the political arrangements. cost, no benefit.
asciilifeform: this comes a day after the ua parliament voted to stop paying debt
asciilifeform: but the lulz!
asciilifeform: the whole idiot 'international komyoonity' edifice can digest any contradiction, likely
mircea_popescu: eagerly awaiting the kerrys of this world going "the atrocities in ukraine are due to russia!!1 the ukr govt clearly said they would break geneva convention unless russia buys them a popsicle and russia didn't!!11"
mircea_popescu: they can do that ?
mircea_popescu: cosmic rays come from Social Justice not from god you heathen
mircea_popescu: you see chitlin, cosmic rays don't often interfere with digital computers. but when they do, they always stamp in 281479271743489.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's the cosmic ray magic number.
mircea_popescu: no further research needed.
mircea_popescu: "nsa's pgp keyservers not responsible for fraud - there is a history of cosmic rays having done this before"
mircea_popescu: in the future.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, that reddit suggests to me we shall soon have reddit/hn/twitter/facebook/everything accounts, each and every last one of us. and we won't even have to man them :D
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 19:03:42; trinque: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/21/nsa-plan-find-osama-bin-laden-infiltrating-medical-supply-chain/ << subtext, NSA caught Bin Laden
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142132 << they "could have" so they "might as well have had!!1". the all-consuming four points of the book are at work in the belly of hte beast itself, disgesting its own limbs.
assbot: Logged on 19-05-2015 10:15:46; justJanne: The largest issue is that many people discussed with me, each having different opinions.
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 18:38:05; ascii_field: trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142104 << i'm aware, and i think it's amusing, just how varied this cult is, or in other words http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138869
jurov: sooo... http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html finally looks like it's getting somewhere
mircea_popescu: because she had burned them.
mircea_popescu: like the little girl that got sent to buy matches and make sure threy burn! so she came home with no matches
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and by the time you're done... you know it WOULD HAVE BEEN USEFUL. but you used it up.
BingoBoingo: Indeed. All of a sudden you've got to put the stuff in a controlled solution and break out the X-Rays and magnification
BingoBoingo: No need to imagine if there were a dozen different versions of 'cat' because that's our situation
BingoBoingo: The problem of how many of the marketed moving parts work as advertised and only as advertised.
BingoBoingo: Also apparently medchem has its own Unix problem http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/05/21/crappy_antibodies_available_now_and_for_the_foreseeable_future.php
mircea_popescu: and by the way, have any of the young eager minds here a la pete_d actually read dali's LIFE ? orwell reminds us it is certainly on the list.
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 18:16:30; jurov: can one go to mars by carefully cultivating their mind?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142075 << haha, isn't THAT the age old question.
mircea_popescu: if you have the energy.
mike_c: I'll put on the list: "make 1-1 trust graph look better" :)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142070 << it's a different sort of thing to do, hence the art discussion in the original.
jurov: yes, i meant the graph mostly
mircea_popescu: reason giving as little quarter as possible is the correct policy."
mircea_popescu: he quotes "Note that it is not said nor implied here that there's any sort of theoretical vulnerability related to using 65537 as an exponent for RSA.". the full quote is "Note that it is not said nor implied here that there's any sort of theoretical vulnerability related to using 65537 as an exponent for RSA. The point is that you don't know what exact implementation flaws the NSA is or may be relying on, and for this
mircea_popescu: the fact that someone would spend the time to type in a 12 paragraph, 500 word reply made out of pure banal WITHOUT BOTHERING TO READ THE ARTICLE
BingoBoingo: http://labphoto.tumblr.com/post/119214028699/the-best-example-that-why-do-chemists-wear-lab
Hasimir: also true, but I'm addicted to the game
cazalla: it's against my religious values to vote is already more than i should be required to tell them
Hasimir: on the plus side, being more politically active than the vec makes it believable when I say I was too sick to walk to the polling station
cazalla: AEC send a please explain letter and that's the end of it
Hasimir: well, technically it's compulsory getting your name ticked off, but most vote once they're there
cazalla: trinque, at least you have the option not to vote.. i usually find myself rediscovering my religious roots on election day which exempts me from wasting my time.. why Hasimir would volunteer to waste even more of his time though, i can't figure that one
cazalla: meh i gave up voting years ago, don't even bother turning up whether it's local, state or federal election.. they can pay me for my time if they're that keen for my vote
Hasimir: I've got a greater chance of influencing here than in the capital of the world ... I mean America
Hasimir: I wish I could've seen their internal company panic, though
cazalla: Hasimir, what do you gain by wasting time trying to change the politics down under?
Hasimir: I guess paypal take allegations of 14 counts of their breaching the electoral act seriously after all ...
trinque: and needs the raw URL
trinque: dpaste among them
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Hasimir: but then I'm a fan of py3 (yes, yes, I'm a heretic too)
Hasimir: the pyme port was a weekend effort ... about a fortnight ago
trinque: I tend to hack on it on the weekends
trinque: anyhow use it, see what works/doesn't, rate the guy
Hasimir: all it would take would be the same as allowing it to hash any pgp message
trinque: Hasimir: deedbot- has his own key in the WoT, rate him and leave feedback and I'll get to it
trinque: Hasimir: either that or a public key
Hasimir: does it look for the "BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE" header?
Hasimir: trinque, and the docs are where?
jurov: heh seems there will be leaks.b-a.link soon
Hasimir: it includes the rainbow series
Hasimir: speaking of ancient arcane shit ... I also have a full copy of everything that the nsa had on radium.ncsc.mil prior to september 11
Hasimir: or by their selinux mailing list in this case
Hasimir: well, I know nsa head-hunted at least one nai employee back when they owned pgp corp
ascii_field: Hasimir: incidentally, zimmerman is not on the list because he is an nsa asset in good standing. the 'silent circle' and multi-coloured phones idiocies are more than ample proof of this
Hasimir: I'll have a look at this deedbot thing then ...
ascii_field: mod6: they are so accustomed to the illiteracy of the general public, that they are entirely unprepared for folks with half a clue.
Hasimir: BingoBoingo, somewhere I have a log of a PM with that guy who we later learned was the undercover agent going after silk road v1
trinque: plausibility of the lie is what's sought, not confirming it
mod6: <+ascii_field> 'Is it possible that a keyserver running the old, buggy PKS code ... << this is gotta be trolling, right??
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
Hasimir: I think there's something worth looking into it until an answer is confirmed
ascii_field: a soft fecal matter consensus that 'there is nothing worth looking into here, move along'
ascii_field: i very much get what the agents are trying to achieve, yes.
ascii_field: for all we know, it is possible that on some pgp client the faux keys could replace the genuine ones if user ever 'synced' from sks
Hasimir: or at least all the names ...
ascii_field: Hasimir: the genuine keys, you mean ?
Hasimir: so someone who already had all those keys in their keyring ...
Hasimir: in which case the target is on that list
trinque: the gain may have already been had
Hasimir: alright, assume you're right then, what do they gain by doing this in a way that can be found by regular(-ish) geeks?
ascii_field: but there are human fingerprints on it. take the 'bug' or 'cosmic ray' hypothesis to a home for retarded folks. nobody here is dumb enough to fall for it.
ascii_field: BND is just a random guess of mine at present, based on the de pirate party thing
Hasimir: trinque, except for the BND ...
ascii_field: data is public. the code, largely - also public.
Hasimir: jurov, not so, if that were the case I wouldn't be here discussing it
Hasimir: the weird pattern thing?
ascii_field: incidentally, i just walked the totality of sks db looking for -all- rsa keys with pub-exponents equal to 281479271743489.
Hasimir: I never claimed to have answers, but you guys are locked into the "it must be a conspiracy" mindset and assuming any criticism is part of the conspiracy
ascii_field: and we are to believe that this happens by accident, with no other bits flipped. ever.
ascii_field: motherfuckers
ascii_field: and why would a 'bug' affect ONLY (!!!) 1) moduli 2) m^d mod n 3) exponent, which is ALWAYS 281479271743489 after the transformation, regardless of what it originally was 3) ALL FIELDS ARE CORRECTLY SIZED
Hasimir: the lack of data indicating cipher prefs on a key
trinque: if a factored subkey has a sig from the master key wtf
Hasimir: jurov, it can't, but if the sig was already there, but other data got mangled, it might account for some things
ascii_field: 'perhaps it fell from the moon'
jurov: what if the answer is no, keyserver can't ever produce valid sig in this case?
trinque: the vast majority of responses I've seen to this are of the "not worth looking into" variety
ascii_field: 'perhaps the bullet was always in lincoln, from birth'
Hasimir: I can assure you that post in particular is from someone who just wants to know the answer
trinque: "teach the controversy" tactic
Hasimir waits for the penny to drop ...
Hasimir: it's just a question, what's the problem with asking it?
ascii_field: 'Is it possible that a keyserver running the old, buggy PKS code
Hasimir: oh, did I forget to mention, I'm the treasurer of pirate party australia
ascii_field: Hasimir: damned if i know. i - only see the bullet.
Hasimir: what is then?
trinque: that's not the question to ask
Hasimir: trinque, true, but if the malicious bastards theory is the most viable answer: what is the motive?
Hasimir: there are plenty of more interesting keys to target than that list
Hasimir: Phil Zimmermann isn't on that list, neither is RMS or even a former PM of my country (and yes, it was a real key)
ascii_field: and that the burden of proof somehow lies on the reasonable, literate folks who can see, plain as daylight, that this is as likely as a bullet spontaneously materializing inside lincoln