mircea_popescu: however long the key is.
mircea_popescu: anyway : mirrored moduli will necessarily have a factor of the form 0x00000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000
mircea_popescu: well, sure, there could be all sorts of classes, but there's no call to poke at crabs with a window wiper.
ascii_field: ran on the entire key db
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and you don't see a case where such a modulo would not be detected owing to the happenstance that it shares no factors with other keys ?
ascii_field: at any rate, we now have a rigorous definition of the type of integer we are concerned with:
ascii_field: which is to say, it so happens that all the mods which had bottom 64 bits be a mirror pair (as per my original mods-only litmus) had full shebang.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me still this isn't thecase.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this would be equivalent, if in fact the moduli were uniformly mangled by the shifting.
ascii_field: probably should have done this from the start
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: replace the test in your copy of 'litmus' with this.
mircea_popescu: an' in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/eb2292f8fb4f8799ea98c7055d9fa249/tumblr_mz0eopKK8p1smxk21o1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> incidentally, the thing mircea_popescu suggested doing in his article, http://trilema.com/2015/the-universal-rsa-keys - won't work <<
mircea_popescu: ascii_field but be this as it may, the "won't work" part is much more interesting. wjhy wouldn't the pre-salted keys not work ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "unclaimed funds would be reduced by 25% per month until there was no balance." << somebody skipped stochastics 101 i take it.
mircea_popescu: moreover, if they did, the result would have to be a divisor that's more like 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 etc.
mircea_popescu: the divisors ? yes. problem is, if you look at the moduli they don't actually follow that pattern exactly throughout
ascii_field: appears to follow same pattern as all of them - take each 64 bits, copy bottom 32 over top 32
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i just cursorily looked at it and didn't expect on the strength of what i saw to actually have DIVISORS that are 32bitshift-and-add
mircea_popescu: but then... mess.
ascii_field: the colourizer is dumb as brick
ascii_field: ignore the colours
mircea_popescu: well, that 2nd line is all messed up. so first 3 identical, plus 1 on the prev line at end. ok.
mircea_popescu: there are some spots where it breaks down
mircea_popescu: as to the symmetries : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/rsa-mystery-one.png for instance doesn't seem like it's 100% bit shifted
ascii_field: actually, folks who specialize in stuffing ballot boxes (or the higher-tech usian variant of this, mass-programming meat-puppets for correct-voting) just -love- 'futarchy'
mircea_popescu: jurov in any case, the dumbass "prediction market" thing has a core of rabid fandom, sort-of like whatever subcultural obscura
mircea_popescu: where do these dudes come from srsly.
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: proggy which breaks all of the magic moduli on ordinary pc in a few sec.
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: i assume you've already worked out the whole thing
Apocalyptic: why is left as an exercice for the reader
ascii_field: but the 'magical' moduli still break into integers small enough to factor trivially on pc
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, another trivial thing that follows from the mirroring: every N has 641 and 6700417 as prime factors
ascii_field: incidentally, the thing mircea_popescu suggested doing in his article, http://trilema.com/2015/the-universal-rsa-keys - won't work
ben_vulpes: i have to say that i'm having trouble holding the whole keysmashing party in my head
BingoBoingo: Apparently more things are genetic. Today amputations, during the French revolution twas decapitations.
ascii_field: glad somebody other than me noticed. now if only somebody other than me were willing to write the obvious proggy
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the binary symmetries thing trivially follows from the mirrored 32-bit words. work it out on paper.
trinque: "prediction markets" ... "not a real-money market" ... *predictions down to the cent on price/node count*
jurov: "One such market, Intrade, had previously offered futures on events such as the capture of Osama bin Laden, the U.S. Presidential Election, and the bombing of Iran. As of March 10, 2013 though, all trading had been suspended on Intrade's website due to undisclosed financial irregularities."
jurov: and what he pulled the predictions from
trinque: inflation is the govt figure published for inflation
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Miscellany:Confession_to_the_F%C3%BChrer << schrödinger's shameful letter. english.
scoopbot_revived: just another day in sunny cascadia http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/26_just-another-day-in-sunny-cascadia.html
ben_vulpes: "One thing it has done, however, is put a renewed rocket under asset prices. From fine art and metropolitan property prices, to bond markets and equities, seemingly everything has gone through the roof."
ben_vulpes: "It is also true that contrary to much prediction at the time, it has not proved particularly inflationary."
ben_vulpes: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeremy-warner/11616509/Jeremy-Warner-How-Iraq-has-left-us-with-the-biggest-financial-bubble-in-history.html
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> which is why i stay and suffer << bail with the bairn?
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> fwiw i dont think anyone needs to be taught to cook << nah man it's applied thermo, it must needs be taught or learned through experience
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the schrodinger letter to the adolf hitler university senate is not to be found in english
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't let him marry my daughter on the account.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you know the story of schrodinger's public pant-shitting ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, no find me the "Dear judge fuckwit" bit.
asciilifeform: according to the link, did surrender eventually
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how did the mountain episode end ?
mircea_popescu: culture is merely the byproduct.
mircea_popescu: culture, no. but culture is not the goal.
mircea_popescu: three or four or fifty nine others - unlikely.
mircea_popescu: this one, and another of your choice.
asciilifeform: all of them? lsd.
asciilifeform: what's of it is that you can't be on the edge of every single human performance envelope
mircea_popescu: everything of it. what of the rest ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and rogozov performed a self-appendectomy in the antarctic.
mircea_popescu: with her own gun. two winters up there, with her guy. who, also arrested.
mircea_popescu: cazalla doesn't think much of his wife, but this woman raised a child while hiding in the mountains
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, there's this woman, who was arrested in '52 alongisde her two year old daughter.
asciilifeform: interestingly, it is a well-documented fact that when ivan iv sat his courtiers down on stakes, a very common (if not most common) last few hours was shouting 'god save the king'
asciilifeform: the gods could write a riotously funny book of what folks said while sitting on stakes, boiling in oil, etc
mircea_popescu: to me, it stands, as what they said.
mircea_popescu: i never bought into the trotskist explainatorism.
mircea_popescu: "If I had realized the impact my creation of Silk Road would ultimately have on the people I care about most, I never would have created Silk Road."
asciilifeform: what next, link to confessions from the trials of '37 ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they came to terms with their life. << did i forget to take my morning lsd today, or what? who and where ever 'came to terms with their life' ?
davout: danielpbarron asciilifeform re mircea_popescu's comments earlier regarding bitcoind's pogo, is there any way that i can get it running on the buildroot install before we actually manage to pull-off a static build?
mircea_popescu: why perpetuate the delusion, at great cost and for no benefit ?
asciilifeform: (implication was - that they died. unless i misread)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so what cut down the superfluous males ?
mircea_popescu: idem in the army (not that i went, but i can count as well as anyone)
mircea_popescu: nobody died when/where i went to schoo, contrary to whining to the contrary.
asciilifeform: but outside of quasi-mythical sparta, the winnowing in the past was worked by 'four horsemen' rather than specially-designed school
asciilifeform: the basic observation is sound, in that we have a 'mouse experiment' situation where men (specifically) are built considerably in excess of how many 'places' are to be had for them
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 12:44:32; mircea_popescu: rather than grow up to be 30 and THEN discover he really has no place in the world.
mod6: ah, well, at first there was only 2 in Moduli Remaining, but that number has been climbing.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i think they're behind not in front
mod6: i should have waited on my key-retest. lol, got 119764 infront of it in the queue now.
mircea_popescu: actually... there's that chinese dizident
asciilifeform: btw that cazalla thread would make for great reading alongside of the 'why not have children' thread from during c3
asciilifeform: possibly tonight will write a civilized loader which forgoes the idiocy of setting up http connection for each key submitted and pumps straight into the db
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/stats < did the loader script die or something /
cazalla: shitty 320*200 jpg got me more exicted than the 4k porn of today
cazalla: maybe a bit of lipstick on the pig that is hte internet
cazalla: i specifically remember this point in high school thinking about the future
cazalla: then let me die within 3 years
cazalla: if it wasnt for the fact he looks like a carbon copy
mircea_popescu: here's one for you : the only she-assassin i ever met actually proposed to me.
cazalla: they play fucking iphone games
cazalla: should've gone to the locale catholic or even mormon church to find a woman
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb8zahcz491rsv2j1o1_1280.png << i wonder why these never caught on.
cazalla: no-one puts the drink to my mouth mind you
cazalla: already aged 10 years in the past 16 months
cazalla: and that is that and if it kills me so be it, he'll have a father to do things with and so it goes
cazalla: would be easy to leave if i ascribed 100% of the blame to her
mircea_popescu: and in the latest eulora news : today's bug is, "mp just got a large mining find, so large in fact that it didn't fit in his mining claim, so it got truncated."
mircea_popescu: it is, notably, not the woman's fault that you got yourself a conflict.
cazalla: won't leave him without a father though
cazalla: if i drop dead at 50 and he takes the lot so be it
mircea_popescu: if this is the case you got a problem.
cazalla: the things that attract you to someone in the beginning are things you end up hating about that preson
cazalla: or some other site
mircea_popescu: cazalla listen, in any case : you gotta do things together. that's the long and the short of it. now, if she sucks then what you do will be training, but there's no out of this.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/ac2966bbf55bb0146933fc09d63e3e92/tumblr_myszimu3Y61s7i603o1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding the inconvenience this is causing our friend, interesting service.
mircea_popescu: "The terms are simple: you get the first $1,000 every new Luminati customer that you referred, spends with us."
cazalla: so clearly i hate on the bitch for only managing 12 months
mircea_popescu: i bet no one breastfed you, either.
mircea_popescu: what, the world is equal to your own personal experience ?
mircea_popescu: you two need to get over each other.
mircea_popescu: Adlai they've got one hell of a thing going, woman fucks up because she's too petrified of doing a bad job an' disappointing him, and he won't teach her because he's petrified of not being able to, and disappointing her.
Adlai: except my kitchen doesn't turn into a garbage dump from people just standing there breathing
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah well i stomped grapes, she didn't, there ya go
mircea_popescu: erryone that knows to cook does, and erryone who doesn't doesn't. either teach her or else suffar.
cazalla: Adlai, i cook the kid's meals, not her
mircea_popescu: you don't beat women for existing eh. beating is corrective or perhaps aesthetic, not fucking psychological release.
Adlai: think of it (teaching her to cook) as an investment in your children's mother/teacher
cazalla: told her to fuck it and put it in the bin
mircea_popescu: neway copypaste dun despair man. as seinfeld rabi says, "often, in life, there are problems - and just as often, there are solutions"
mircea_popescu: so then.
cazalla: but i'll never leave/ditch her on account of her mothering my son
cazalla: maybe bitcoin will allow me to have another missus elsewhere
mircea_popescu: well so get out then.
mircea_popescu: you do the math.
cazalla: on the defensive?
mircea_popescu: ips were cheap before, and you still could handle it. now that they became much cheaper they also became a problem
mircea_popescu: than the spam costs you
mircea_popescu: copypaste this is how pgp evens the odds : a new sig costs about 10x more cycles to make
davout: copypaste: also feed them to phuctor
copypaste: unless i force them into being at a certain WoT level
copypaste: i'll think about it some more in the morning. what would stop bots from generating PGP keys? unless i forced them into being at a certain PGp level of course
mircea_popescu: copypaste i thought you were ddosed into the ground.
cazalla: you know if you added a wot requirement to post, people would either capitulate and join or leave
copypaste: the site's not dead. just requires a CAPTCHA.
cazalla: davout, and you can't go live in the middle of fucking nowhere, middle of nowhere IS THE FUCKING DESERT
davout: cazalla: you sound bitter, the cool thing about australia though is that you can easily go live in the middle of nowhere and get away form other humans
cazalla: give them a real reason to cry
cazalla: hope the indochinese come and rape everyone
cazalla: someone cussing out muslims makes the mainstream media for hate crimes
cazalla: i got tossed all around the place just a few decades ago if not i went my own way
cazalla: but the public today are weak
mircea_popescu: the public.
davout: if there's a way to get bitcoind running on the buildroot install i'm interested, my pogo, is waiting, with it's SSD plugged in and all
cazalla: mircea_popescu, but public school here is not the school of hard knocks i went to, it's the school of sjw now
cazalla: now i figure it was because my father had his own inadequiancies
mircea_popescu: but... there is a cvasi-functional build dpb's been using
cazalla: otherwise it was punches, many a time spent on the ground gasping for air because he winded me
mircea_popescu: davout well... in the absolute purist sense we won't for a while, on account of how thoroughly corrupt the stack is.
cazalla: my father would flog me with a jug cord when i was lucky
cazalla: yeah but i grew up fighting a grown man (my father)
davout: mircea_popescu: well yes, stuck at the part where i need to put an bitcoind arm binary on the thing
cazalla: he'd prob get beat up by the nig nogs
cazalla: but i am not christianed either
cazalla: she tells me.. (on account of her sister/mother) that he won't get into a good school on account he is not christianed
davout: i was referring to the jewish baby
cazalla: davout, i bitched about this before mind you.. her father provided everything.. and i mean EVERYTHING
cazalla: they dont understand at that age
cazalla: like i said.. exception that proves the rule
cazalla: just can't afford the time atm for her stuff
cazalla: it is like dealing with another toddler
cazalla: i didn't think i did either but my missus won't as much raise her voice without crying
cazalla: 2 of the mums at her mums group are already pregnant so i figure some jealousy or envy
mircea_popescu: another what ?
cazalla: and we tried last month and i thought of her friend the entire time.. half figured to tell her while banging her
cazalla: yet believe it or not she wants another
cazalla: maybe she has reason.. been around the world many times, me? never
cazalla: fucked if i am going to sit with the kid 24/7
cazalla: i mean god forbid, the poor woman is stuck reading books all day long
cazalla: her.. cry, whinge, complain because kid pulls her hair, her washing off the clothes horse, food out her hand/mouth
cazalla: me.. read logs, look for news, look for work, stare out the window and think of what might be if i had not got her pregnant
cazalla: exception that proves the rule
mircea_popescu: eh you ever heard that "there's no such thing as frigid women, just unskilled men" ?
cazalla: copypaste, seriously the captcha is driving me insane
cazalla: LD is like kryptonite to even the most hardened acolyte of /pol/
cazalla: mind you i considered bagging a few ducks from the same lake
cazalla: there are some local eels not far from here but all the run off from the gutters run into the lake so i'm not game to eat from it (some old fucks catch their eels there and eat em)
cazalla: never had it, never even seen it for sale here at the fish markets
mircea_popescu: i suppose it depends on the eel
fluffypony: otherwise afair it's poisonous
cazalla: and i do make the best crumbed schnitty in australia
chetty: the guy spoke to SATOSHI so I'm pretty sure we should just trust what he says./// rolling eyes
mircea_popescu: in other news, this is why the girl should be taller than you : http://31.media.tumblr.com/20c2f2e3dd873ef89624ae370538a6da/tumblr_mub7xj0noX1sjfxgho1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: great way to keep the idiot sons employed, sure. but ideally you don't wantthem employed in congress, if at all possible.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> matter-of-fact-ly << only a problem in places which insist on pretending like there is or should be a difference between money and politics.
ben_vulpes: "The net result was that all Bitcoin nodes (lightweight and heavyweight) on the local Wi-Fi network were unable to connect to any Bitcoin nodes except for the local node, which they discovered via DNS." << and this is an argument for dns in core *how*?
trinque: "web of things" is the new web 2.0
trinque: it also refers to the 169.254 autoconfig IPs and various other poetteringisms seen in avahi and bonjour
trinque: or some reimplementation thereof?
ben_vulpes: moreover, bitcoining on other peoples networks is bad, mk?
ben_vulpes: "so I poisoned the DNS and rejected all outbound connection attempts on port 8333, to force all the wallets to connect to a single local full node, which had connectivity to a single remote node over the Internet. Thus, all the lightweight wallets at the festival had Bitcoin network connectivity, but we only needed to backhaul the Bitcoin network's transaction traffic once."
trinque: any idiot off the street will tell you that this "pork" is how it is, has been, will be
trinque: and of course the second of the two colors are also there to loot, but they dress it up as something constructive
trinque: at least in the american case I think there's a tacit understanding that at least one color of the two is there to loot the federal government, certainly not to do anything constructive
mircea_popescu: decimation it's a mystery tho. france could also have good infrastructure. itdoes not. i doubt it's the "political" anything, they're about as equally retarded.
decimation: the us political system 'selects for' low-bid crony incompetents while strangling anyone with a clue
decimation: yeah the best comment on greenspun's article: "This is a subject and comparison that has been written about at length. German roads last longer because they are built substantially better than most U.S. roads. The German system of road construction relies on large long-term contracts with national companies that must build and maintain the roadway and are responsible for repairing any design and engineering defects. There is a powerfu
mircea_popescu: a butthole-issued "20 to 25% gdp" is a much more reliable statistic than whatever the miniprop publishes. and it's definitely under germany. one needs but take a walk around detroit and frankfurt to see.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> not depreciation? << this is a particularly cogent question. the us fudges EVERYTHING, including the actual expenditure on infrastructure through, counting depreciation, counting future "financial costs" etc etc etc. half the political machine in the us works on pork contracts, which are all "infrastructure". that famous bridge in alaska was not even 1% of 1%.
mircea_popescu: Michail1> Heh. He likes to talk, but rarely in channel. His English is getting way better than it was only 6 months ago. << i wonder if anyone ever studied the interplay between so called "immigration" law and "scamming".
ben_vulpes: decimation: "The U.S. has spent, adjusted for deprecationThe U.S. has spent, adjusted for deprecation"
decimation: for me, if a pr firm submits a proposal in the form of powerpoint - automatic blacklist
asciilifeform: damned if i know. especially mystifying is the fact that someone, somewhere - pays for the service described in the document.
asciilifeform: decimation: my understanding is that the thing was leaked. was prepared by a pr firm
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/05/Guccifer-Ariana-Rockeller-Brand.pdf << lulzies. nobody cancelled the original lizards.
decimation: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/05/25/u-s-versus-german-infrastructure-spending-and-results/ < "?Quality, Not Just Quantity, of Infrastructure Needs Attention? (Wall Street Journal, May 20, 2015) has some interesting data. The U.S. has spent, adjusted for deprecation, 52 percent of GDP on ?public capital stock? (infrastructure such as roads, bridges, train tracks, etc.) while the Germans have spent just 35 percent of GDP. What
decimation: my hypothesis (floating around here awhile) - nobody wants to read about soviet times because they will recognize them as being depressingly familiar
decimation: " And technique aside, these books are difficult because they don?t subscribe to a neat, binary way of thinking, i.e., Soviet Union equals bad, democracy equals good ... In One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich, Solzhenitsyn satirizes the evil absurdity and unnecessary suffering of the gulag, and yet he extols the discipline and work ethic that it engenders; since human nature is so lazy and depraved, he muses, perhaps it?s benefici
decimation: asciilifeform: lulz > http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2014/07/03/thawing-out/ < That?s a further deterrent to the study of these books, given that many of them are undeniably more complex than their literary predecessors. Bely?s Petersburg, for example, is a masterpiece considered by many critics to be a precursor to the postmodern novel, but it?s a behemoth of a book that requires a linguistic and mathematical genius to fully comp
Michail1: Blazedout419 was in the channel while Blazedout4l9 wasn't. So, he right clicked the nick he SAW in the channel to see it was authed.
Michail1: He checked to see the Blazedout419 was online and gpg authed, but didn't realized that the squatter was using the nick Blazedout4l9
Michail1: Ahhh, but he did. He manually typed in the nick insted of copy/pasted.