mircea_popescu: "i'd fuck her even in the cunt!"
ascii_field: 'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue, merely misplaced it by an inch' (TM) (R)
mircea_popescu: maybe they're gay.
ascii_field: just that iirc all of the gurlz are being buggered
ascii_field: afaik it works great for 1+2 and therefore meets spec
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the airplane was not built for victories
mircea_popescu: anyone wonder why they prefer to win imaginary victories via bribing whatever newspaper is fashionable that day ? shit's damned expensive.
mircea_popescu: this means each aerial victory the us has obtained through its most successful program to date cost ~350 million dollars.
mircea_popescu: since we were discussing airplanes : f-15, pretty much the only successful military jet to be ever designed and produced by the us by itself, has cost ~35 bn for the ~1200 items produced, and has managed a total kill score of ~100.
mircea_popescu: i'd much rather take someone's word. which requires people motivated by their own functioning head.
ascii_field: naturally bounty would require proving that the animal existed in the wild prior to the discovery
mircea_popescu: (i could diddle one too, what use is it. we need the actual item, not something custom made)
mircea_popescu: the chumps derping about self-importantly on "cryptographic" "lists" etc are certainly using it - but so far too dumb to realise they shyould be looking.
ascii_field: unrelated: anybody locate the inevitable pgp client which only looks at bottom (or top) 32 bits of each 64-bit modulus chunk when computing fingerprint ?
ascii_field: others - walked, on a leash
ascii_field: but there is more than one way to do it.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 19:44:02; mircea_popescu: ascii_field for the record ben_vulpes has a point. unmilked cow gets mastitis, unexercised slavegirl gets neurosis.
mircea_popescu: jurov well all is good then :D
mircea_popescu: the social "sciences" approach to life.
mircea_popescu: i can see why, too. if there's no actual items involved there's much less risk to doing it all, as nobody can ever be shown definitively to have fucked up.
jurov: pics are nowhere mentioned, they§ll stay unencrypted
mircea_popescu: mats not just the thunderbolt. same story with the warthog. idea being basically "we wish to move on from this real-items tethered system of bezzle to a system of pure bezzle. we do not wish to have any further actual items involved in the entire allocation and expenditure of budgets thing"
mircea_popescu: the age old new jersey 90%.
mircea_popescu: jurov seems they're making the point quite plainly : "we call this encryption, but really it's only intended to keep your pictures on stolen phones away from the thief. nothing absolutely to do with security, just a gimmick"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for the record ben_vulpes has a point. unmilked cow gets mastitis, unexercised slavegirl gets neurosis.
mod6: my full sync's (non-pogo) with v0.5.3.1 are about the same 44-45Gb
ascii_field: good riddance and three cheers to the eventual replacement of all usg aircraft with paper airplanes.
mats: which would be fine except there's no way to replace the capability of the A-10 with something else
mats: so, whats going on here is that the USAF has been trying to kill the A-10 aircraft for some time now, largely on the basis that they don't really give a shit about the Army and don't want to provide support to other programs with money from their own budget
ben_vulpes: not husbandry in the marital sense, ascii_field
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!' << 'alerts' can be delivered per-node?
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 15:01:32; jurov: btw, i have fully arranged moving my ass deep into western germany... if not for pet's problems would prolly already be there
jurov: https://lwn.net/Articles/639427/ wow what a shitgnomery. concerned only narrowly with performance,throwing the opportunity to encrypt file metadata out of the window
assbot: Logged on 24-05-2015 15:09:42; mircea_popescu: mats eh, this is just a dog and pony show for young rand etc. what'll happen is the wh backe,d house vetted solution where the nsa doesn't keep the records, phone companies do, nsa just asks for what it needs.
mats: " Obama noted that the controversial bulk phone collections program, which was exposed by National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, is reformed in the House bill, which does away with it over six months and instead gives phone companies the responsibility of maintaining phone records that the government can search."
mircea_popescu: amusingly, romania had a similar thing going coupla years ago, sent half the coaches/club heads/trainers etc in the country behind bars
asciilifeform bbl, off to the mines
mircea_popescu: i suspek it's mostly because i use "good pet" as a congratulatory term. as opposed to variations of "you motherfuckin' bitch you!" and so on.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TM | I'm honoured by TM's presense! I'm glad to be at your service TM! TM is at the battlefield fighting some gauls, brb. (note on the fridge by Caesar to Cleopatra).
mircea_popescu: so = significant other
mircea_popescu: i will for the record point out that the way alf and apparently everyone else's adopted "pet" to refer to their SO is driving some of the slavegirls up the fucking walls.
jurov: btw, i have fully arranged moving my ass deep into western germany... if not for pet's problems would prolly already be there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has a point. yes, they will try, which is why you (the impersonal you) wants to get out of there.
asciilifeform: i like converse 'on the net, though no one might know, i am still a dog'
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> in any case : the beatings will continue.
mircea_popescu: now that you have the experience of actual steak.
asciilifeform: when he is picking the less-rotten tomatoes with his own two hands
mircea_popescu: go eat at the wh sometime.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when i spot obama in my local shitgrocery i will then agree.
mircea_popescu: look into what they eat for primo steak.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the usg senior caste has.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 14:31:51; asciilifeform: gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!'
asciilifeform: link to 'beriozka' is pertinent because at no point did the senior managerial caste lose their access to goodies
mircea_popescu: in any case : the beatings will continue.
mircea_popescu: but then you yourself do notice that no, they can't eat, when you say "folks pointing out that if you want to eat these things -today-, you need -significantly- better connections and de-facto 5-10x the money."
asciilifeform: because they get fed by usg automagically
mircea_popescu: weren't you insisting, a day or two ago, that "these folks can still eat - unaffacted" ?
mircea_popescu: the idea is to make it impossible for anyone to use it for any useful purpose.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the payola from usg continues, life carries on. at no point are actual users required.
asciilifeform: because if something were to ship with the 128GB or whatnot that a sane person would ask for a node - built-in, the device would have a capped lifespan
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nor is there any hope for naive "social media" pseudo-businesses in the future.
jurov: also you forget that you have to buy ssd for the pogo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is no shortage of folks doing this even now.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 14:09:39; jurov: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/05/the-moose-is-loose-linux-based-worm-turns-routers-into-social-network-bots/
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146305 <----> http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ and other unrelated matter.
asciilifeform: 2-3x the cost of pogo.
asciilifeform: nothing - and i mean, -nothing- remotely comparable is available for any less than 6x the cost.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: the trick with pogo, incidentally, is that its price is a rather artificial thing. my understanding is that they were sold 'at cost' and presently sold at liquidation price.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: seems like "clustefuck to the hard fork" type deal goin on.
jurov: lol my parents were in '87 to moscow/leningrad and naively went shopping to "beriozka" for rubbles ... were told "dolary" and shown the door
asciilifeform: !up thestringpuller
asciilifeform: gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!'
asciilifeform: in other news,
asciilifeform: (the trick was, the scrip was available on the black market, in exchange for ordinary - or as they were called, 'wooden' - ruble.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the comments were gold. folks pointing out that if you want to eat these things -today-, you need -significantly- better connections and de-facto 5-10x the money.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the wares were marketed mainly to diplomatic staff, who were paid in a peculiar kind of scrip rather than ruble (which was Officially non-exportable)
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 10:03:44; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146095 << looks exactly like the "democratic" german mag they probably copied/translated.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146219 << my understanding is that similar establishments, under ru management, existed in the 'colonies' under a variety of names
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 09:23:44; mircea_popescu: Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. << for the record, this isn't "other issues". this is enough to render the entire thing a joke.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146171 << see the old 'promises vs mathematics' thread also.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 09:01:53; mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic in retrospect, the discovery that out of the 89 so mirrored factors, any more than 0 are ~actually~ prime would contradict reasonable expectation significantly,
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 08:53:47; mircea_popescu: that's it. fuckall i give a shit about whatever any woman hummed in any circumstance and whatever tree or bird or wheeltrack through the mud.
asciilifeform: <jurov> hope someone does this for gsm baseband soon, too << these have remote login with default creds ?
gribble: You rated user davout on Tue Apr 22 11:42:23 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: bitcoin-central; met IRL.
jurov: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/05/the-moose-is-loose-linux-based-worm-turns-routers-into-social-network-bots/
mircea_popescu: no "20 years to life for wilfully breaking the law from a position of government".
chetty: well I bet some did, coursts issued injunctions but I think the agencies just ignored it
mircea_popescu: chetty and i presume the people in question already received the green cards right ?
mircea_popescu: if ballas were around the one thing i'd ask him would be to write up this particular story. it's something else, "the failures of roger ver's pretense on the jagged shores of reality - 2010 - 2015"
chetty: appeals court ruled against obama amnesty stuff, sometimes the law kinda works, but I doubt it will stop anything, courts cant enforce and there is history of O thumbing nose at them
cazalla: kids and their pokemon cards
cazalla: but the bitcoinist guy should've known better seeing he already went through this with garza last year when garza was going to buy bitcoinist and mate tokay wanted green card, 200k, lambo, unit and all that other shit
mircea_popescu: cazalla there's at least three parties if not like five with some sort of claim oiver it, all of which cost more to prosecute than the thing would cost to replace.
cazalla: fluffypony, garza "bought" it last year for 1 million.. to pay off in installments over 36 months.. but garza has no money left apparently.. so he leases it to bitcoinist, pockets the money and the real owner of the domain takes it back as garza late/failed to make payments leaving bitcoinist up shit creek
mircea_popescu: for exactly the same reasons.
mircea_popescu: much like the original bitcoin magazine
mircea_popescu: the domain no longer has an owner, it's a toxic asset now
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it means the fountain of shit these people create as a byproduct of their metabolism.
mircea_popescu: so no, okpay isn't gonna pay him "what the contract says". okpay doesn't belong to the space of delusion he belongs to.
fluffypony: GAW owns the domain?
mircea_popescu: and now he's stuck in a world where others may entertain his pretense (to "professionalism" or to "business-like" or whatever else), but a) only third worlders, and b) only for as far as they find it net positive.
cazalla: but anyway, btc.com and bitcoin.com, 2 diff things just occuring at the same time
mircea_popescu: the guy spent more than it was worth (in bitcoin treading for a pittance) to acquire a "valuable" domain, as if a domain name could ever be valuable.
mircea_popescu: paltry attempts to make it stay relevant about as effectual as spitting in the wind.
mircea_popescu: thousands of bitcoin donated to a shitty foundation ? gone, as is the foundation.
mircea_popescu: but then... horror of horrors! everything he touches turns to shit, and now here he is, stuck trying to hold on to the status long after the water's gone out.
mircea_popescu: here's the story of a simple country boy, one could say a cock-eyed optimist who got himself a number of pleabargained felonies after which the sun seemed to shine, and all his long held frustrations as to relevancy for business, intellectual prowess and whatnot seemed to realise! finally! oh, how this moment had been pined for.
mircea_popescu: cazalla poor roger ver really belongs in the gallery of famous tragic characters, with brave, brave, brave sir robert, the tragic clown and his faithful wife nedda etc.
fluffypony: that's the LTB podcast where I explain a bit about it
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: if you use a 5 and the recipient then sends funds on using a mixin of 1 then there's a risk that the real input can be unmasked, which links it back to the previous transaction
fluffypony: it's just privacy improvements, per this: MRL-0004: Improving Obfuscation in the CryptoNote Protocol (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf)
fluffypony: oh - in the protocol we have a block height that is approx. 2 years from now where the minimum mixin kicks up to 4
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you mean how does the sender choose?
mircea_popescu: those bare metal tins FULL of it to the popping...
fluffypony: davout: yes - the sender chooses a mixin, although in ~2 years the minimum mixin goes up to you + 4 others (for each input)
mircea_popescu: o shit, the tins of soviet caviar.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146095 << looks exactly like the "democratic" german mag they probably copied/translated.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146069 << apparently to hear cazalla, not so long. sounds like you could get land in montana for a tenth of what they make him pay.
davout: i built the daemon five days ago, have it running since then, and it's still 220 days behind apparently
davout: so far my actual experience with monero is that the initial sync is horribly slow
mircea_popescu: davout the problem of bloat is not something that can be individually addressed. in a sense/under a certain perspective this is like saying that 1800s london was incredibly smoky because of all the heating coal usage, but you could also burn clean coal, which was only slightly more expensive.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:46:08; decimation: yeah interestingly apple outta be an exception, given the weight they can throw around
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146043 << that weight being entirely novel, and ulterior to the first iphone.
davout: in this case the sig may actually be smaller
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:45:02; mats: fun fact: the original iPhone shipped without privilege separation, and in tandem with a libtiff bug Chris Wade wrote an exploit that made it possible to root a user visiting a web page
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146039 << i recall this. one of the pillars of my original "lol apple is not worth money" notions.
davout: mircea_popescu: if i understood correctly it's up to the sender, the idea being that you obfuscate where the money's coming from by signing a group of inputs that you may or may not contrel, only one of them being actually spent
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:40:00; decimation: where each part manufacturer will 'application engineer' their peice
davout: monero is pretty neat, the only real problem I see is that it'll bloat even faster than bitcoin given the fact that ring signatures are pretty expensive
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1145990 << dude, that was possibly the craziest most riveting day in memory.
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:45:41; williamdunne: "The UK government should apply the same regulation and identification requirements to bitcoin wallets as it does to bank accounts, Accenture has advised."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145951 << yes, it should. it can not, and it will not, which essentially renders "the uk governmenty" null and void.
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:39:59; *: BingoBoingo imagines what happened was Adobe was giving schools Phree Dreamweaver for classes, and they just ran with it all the way
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145941 << from the crypts of the lost : "Can you run Monero miner through TOR? If yes, what change would need to made to the bat file on the opening page? I'm using Windows. thanks"
mircea_popescu: much like any two bit bitcoin-wallet / what have you, their time to "be hacked" will come.
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:32:41; mats: fun fact: nasdaq runs the investor relations portals for most of the fortune 500 companies, on adobe coldfusion
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145933 << ayup. there's really no secret that the clay legged giants of the fiat world are both unable to compete and only great in their own imagination.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony in any case, comparisons with dead cows like zerocoin, coinjoin etc aren't interesting. i'd like to hear a comparison with bitbet mixing, which is to my eyes the golden standard in bitcoin anonimizing of chain-visible transactions.
mircea_popescu: no further issues needed.
mircea_popescu: Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. << for the record, this isn't "other issues". this is enough to render the entire thing a joke.
mircea_popescu: now, it's true that the first time around (ie, bitcoin), i spent my own money/time to get it researched. but expecting the same be done the 2nd time around is unreasonable.
mircea_popescu: i happen to believe the later's the case, but i would certainly regret to see the alternative viewpoint bereft of an experimentally available venue, because i am by no means certain this is so.
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:32:32; Adlai: trouble is, there'll come a day when bitcoin inflation is lower than monflation
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145932 << the problem with finance isn't "that there exist numbers" but "that there exists unknowns". fixed inflation is not fundamentally different from zero inflation just as long as the inflation is known. which of the two is more convenient (and it's purely a matter of clerical convenience) reduces to a discussion of whether humanity is an ever-expanding cancer or a c
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145911 << omg let people reserve their judgement. would you need new limbs ? what kind ? how big ?
mircea_popescu: or numerically, the confidence that none is prime is something like 97% or thereabouts.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic in retrospect, the discovery that out of the 89 so mirrored factors, any more than 0 are ~actually~ prime would contradict reasonable expectation significantly,
mircea_popescu: that's it. fuckall i give a shit about whatever any woman hummed in any circumstance and whatever tree or bird or wheeltrack through the mud.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 05:04:30; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu unrelated to anything, but for the classicz translation olympics: http://dpaste.com/0BP7BQQ << this time, not mine. but obscure, and very l337
mircea_popescu: the most that can be said of a number produced through taking a composite (moduli are composites - of two primes yes, but composite) and applying the 32bit mirroring process is that you'll obtain an odd number. that's it. the probability of a number that large being prime is roughly speaking n/ln(n)
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic the expectation would be that it'd be divisible by 32bit-shifted 1 + 1, ie 100000000000000000000000000000001 ie 4294967297
scoopbot_revived: The death of geography. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/27/the-death-of-geography/
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [01:32] rather, it is a u.s. aircraft carrier - which simply happens to be made of earth << girl and i both lold
BingoBoingo: Fuck Imma have to start using that word all together
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu unrelated to anything, but for the classicz translation olympics: http://dpaste.com/0BP7BQQ << this time, not mine. but obscure, and very l337
williamdunne: Most people who watch it don't even really care about cars, just like watching the three of them bum around
decimation: yeah, they tried to make a us version and it was shit
williamdunne: Its what made the show, think it'll probably be dead now
decimation: williamdunne: yeah it's a shame that they did in clarkson
decimation: they had a top gear uk episode recently on a ranch in western australia I think
Vexual: and you need the landholders permission
Vexual: yeah theyre hard to catch
gribble: Rapetosaurus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapetosaurus>; Rapetosaurus - Prehistoric Wildlife: <http://www.prehistoric-wildlife.com/species/r/rapetosaurus.html>; R is for Rapetosaurus – Phenomena: <http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/10/r-is-for-rapetosaurus/>
decimation: dijkstra: "My conclusion is that it is becoming most urgent to stop to consider programming primarily as the minimization of a cost/performance ratio. We should recognise that already now programming is much more an intellectual challenge: the art of programming is the art of organising complexity, of mastering multitude and avoiding its bastard chaos as effectively as possible.
asciilifeform: notably, before there was an 'app store' from apple
asciilifeform: mats: aha. famously. lotsa folks cracked theirs using this
mats: fun fact: the original iPhone shipped without privilege separation, and in tandem with a libtiff bug Chris Wade wrote an exploit that made it possible to root a user visiting a web page
decimation: where each part manufacturer will 'application engineer' their peice
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, I suspect about 80% of the design is pure 'reference implementation'
decimation: I wonder how many people actually design a server motherboard? probably less than 10
decimation: so apparently the evidence is that you can buy loyalty by employing h1b serfs, not by paying contractors in a derpy bureaucracy
asciilifeform: rather, it is a u.s. aircraft carrier - which simply happens to be made of earth
asciilifeform: the atlas lies: taiwan is not actually a country
decimation: also there must be a significant taiwan connection, because that's where the buggy hardware is made
decimation: where they conspire to paper over tons of buggy shit
decimation: there is a mysterious world that exists behind the nda's of american megatrends, intel, and microsoft
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2014 20:06:04; Mats_cd03: and, there is an ACPI table exclusively for telling Windows not to apply fixes for buggy hardware because its in a VM, and VMM emulation of the hardware doesn't include said bugs.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2015 19:38:35; mats: another fun fact: you can physically damage XP installations via ACPI parsing and NtSystemDebugControl, entirely in usermode
Vexual: thought that might be the case
decimation: 'all our ad-hoc hardware is mashed together in an ad-hoc fashion, so let's make an ad-hoc language to describe it'
Adlai: Vexual: what do you think about assbot trades in the main channel
BingoBoingo: So I joined #bitcoin-assets-trades and strongly recommend it. So much lulz when assbot reports the Havelol trades. Good for at least a chuckled every time I check the feed there
asciilifeform: !s whip the sea
williamdunne: "The UK government should apply the same regulation and identification requirements to bitcoin wallets as it does to bank accounts, Accenture has advised."
mats: fun fact: there is a particular ACPI table in that you can put anywhere in a low range of memory during boot, and Windows will take the payload data, drop it as an EXE, and run it as SYSTEM.
williamdunne: Then again, I began using DreamWeaver (mx?) when I was like 6-7
BingoBoingo imagines what happened was Adobe was giving schools Phree Dreamweaver for classes, and they just ran with it all the way
BingoBoingo: mats: Does anyone other than "Finance" and "Higher Education" really use coldfusion?
mats: this thing runs as SYSTEM by default, written in java, and the code was stolen some time ago
Adlai: wait, the f500 are treated by nasdaq as *investors*? ^_^
mats: fun fact: nasdaq runs the investor relations portals for most of the fortune 500 companies, on adobe coldfusion
Adlai: trouble is, there'll come a day when bitcoin inflation is lower than monflation
Adlai: and i don't even have to spam my qntra pushes across the entire userbase
williamdunne: Constant issuance rather than a hard ceiling like we have in bitcoin
williamdunne: And there is a proposal to automatically reset historical blockchain every x days/months/years to resolve transaction size issue
williamdunne: Mining constantly incentivized by permanent sub 1% inflation, and a dynamic block size which allows something like the median block size of past week +20%
mats: fun fact: Google has the full source to Flash
williamdunne: Gavin-sized is the 50% increase every fuckknows for so many years starting at 20mb
williamdunne: And not soon, either
Adlai: have you come around on the blocksize yet?
williamdunne: Hello all, thought I'd help beef up the logs. Been looking hollow last couple of days!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Apocalyptic: ;;later tell mircea_popescu maybe i'm misunderstanding something simple but you could give such a factor for 0xffaaccddffaaccdd3c4b7ff83c4b7ff8 , it's a random 128 bit number constructed as the moduli in question, ( and 0x1000000000000000100000000 does not divide it)
Apocalyptic: myeah but this is in base 10 and you're using the fact that it's divisible by 11 which is 10^1+1 because you mirror only 1 digit-base here, it's exactly analogous to my " every N has 641 and 6700417 as prime factors" earlier claim since notice that 641*6700417 = 2^32 + 1, which corresponds to a 32-bit mirror window length
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mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic because if you take 84357349875 and make it 883377448877 then it necessarily will be divisible by 837487
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 14:01:21; asciilifeform: btw that cazalla thread would make for great reading alongside of the 'why not have children' thread from during c3
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> anyway : mirrored moduli will necessarily have a factor of the form 0x00000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000 // how so ?
hegemoOn: this is the source
hegemoOn: thanks danielpbarron for the +v
mircea_popescu: and there he goes, right off into retarded.
mircea_popescu: "Of course, we can't understand prediction markets until we understand markets. A market in any two fungible goods, A and B, is any device for discovering the A/B ratio P which equalizes D, the number of people who want to trade P units of A for one unit of B, with S, the number of people who want to trade one unit of B for P units of A."
ascii_field: and once you've divided by the 'long' turd, what you're left with is small change
ascii_field: there we go