mircea_popescu: why the fuck not even.
mircea_popescu: "Kipnis was not allowed to have an attorney present during her interview with Title IX investigators, she writes, but she was allowed to bring along another faculty member as a "support person" provided that the person she brought did not speak. That support person later discussed Kipnis' situation at a "Faculty Senate" meetingand has subsequently been accused of, yes, committing a Title IX violation."
midnightmagic: Likely whoever it is who's paying the /r/bitcoin shills has an agenda, just like everyone else..
cazalla: some coincidence a bunch of folk on /r/bitcoin get together to stress test the same day gavin threatens to take his ball/bat and go home with hearn
mircea_popescu: spending anything out of it makes BOTH the little you spent and the 999.x remainder NEW coinbases.
mircea_popescu: the beauty of this being that if you have say 1000btc in one chunk
cazalla: well they probably don't have anything older than a few days anyway
cazalla: apparently you bloat unconfirmed tx so that it's great than 1mb and then you point and say see, we need an increase cause i gotta wait 20m instead of 10m for 1 confirmation
cazalla: check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions
trinque: mircea_popescu: ok give it another go
mircea_popescu: gotta give people enough room to fail, otherwise people can't be good.
trinque: I suppose I can dial back the paranoia
mircea_popescu: the idea being, ifsomeone absuses it we just negrate him.
mircea_popescu: generally, the actual criminals do quite well.
cazalla: so if anyone can enlighten me.. what typically happens to those that find themselves in prison during the collapse of a nation?
cazalla: who knows who or if it was explicitly done or deleted along with other stuff as part of usms routine
BingoBoingo: Ironically the definition of irony used on the ESL interwebz has expanded so much it has no meaning. It nao has as much meaning as "a" or "the"
mircea_popescu: cazalla ahahaha idiots. same derps did this purge job that did thew original reddit "bitcoin blocks consensus" purge job ?
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as the woman's public communication is being indicted for failing to kow-tow to idiocy, it'd seem this is just cultural-revolution style maoism.
mircea_popescu: "On Friday, Kipnis published another piece in the Chronicle, revealing that, in a twist that's ironic on more than one level, she is now the subject of an investigation into graduate student complaints that her earlier column and a subsequent tweet violated Title IX, the law that prohibits sex descrimination in education."
cazalla: i overstated that tbh.. most of it has been removed, there are a few remnants but the majority is gone
mircea_popescu: gawker was somehow the loss leader in that, but otherwise "industry"-wide it's been a serious case of "work for free or don't work at all, for money there isn't".
BingoBoingo: They still have enough name of their own that they can cut their expenses gawker style without collecting as much gawker stench
BingoBoingo: Yeah, hard for them not too.
mircea_popescu: mildly humiliated us marshalls service and slightly more humiliated federal prosecutors. tho both of these being public servants, they can do a lot better than this.
BingoBoingo: "muricademia also getting pretty lulzy this year http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/05/29/laura_kipnis_title_ix_investigation_feminism_political_correctness_controversy.html
assbot: Logged on 28-05-2015 22:27:06; cazalla: i'm sure there is a better way to do it but relying on archive.today probably isn't that great an idea but not sure what else to do (for example, all the bitcoin auction stuff has been completely removed from the US Marshall's website)
mircea_popescu: 2014 wasn't altogether bad, but it doesn't hold a candle to 2015 so far.
mircea_popescu: got slightly better once mtgox got finished, but not by much. that year's lolcow promotion was delulded fatso, the pageantry genius with her "chamber of commerce", that schmuck in ny that meanwhile got sent to "privately practice" with his privates...
mircea_popescu: i remember the sad days when all we had was kludge the banker and ponzi the smooth operator.
mircea_popescu: "i paid someone to make five hundred thousand fake facebook pages that like me, SO THERE1!1"
BingoBoingo: Of course software developers get no say. The say goes to the content farms in the Phillipines.
BingoBoingo: Ah, the nodecounter that only counts post Hearnfork1 nodes
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 16:18:27; punkman: "There's a feeling on this list that there's no consensus, or that Gavin and myself are on the wrong side of it. I'd put it differently - there's very strong consensus out in the wider community and this list is something of an aberration."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147702 << "the troops are just right over the horizon" and "real america supports me, for i am not a crook".
mircea_popescu: not just from a "must be in there for we need all the dns-carried pores imported via glibc etc", but also in the much lower level "who's in charge of the it!!1" thing
mircea_popescu: this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome.
mircea_popescu: rather than simply getting rid of it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the one interesting tidbit in all this : one difference between current bitcoin and hearn-bitcoin is that the latter replaces Jeff Garzik's DNS seed with the seed run by one Addy Yeow.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 14:03:10; asciilifeform: the interesting number, btw, is 269868
mircea_popescu: "in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice, while in practice theory does not exist." fify!
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 13:39:18; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147596 << laugh, but it isn't so hard if you are emulating ordinary sdram. if one side issues a write cycle, the other gets a wait-state signal (gets to think that the dram is in refresh state)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147662 << in principle, but this is eminently one of those cases where the difference between theory and practice is that in practice theory does not exist.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 13:35:27; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147659 << obviously eats your air. engineering assumption being "where could we get a fixed 20 degrees source ?", otherwise who'd bother with the meatsacks.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 10:00:11; jurov: <ben_vulpes> quick poll: who writes in cursive? << i do, but for internal use only. block letters otherwise
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147632 << i do, whenever i write by hand. the women and nurses can usually read it, but not really anyone else.
mircea_popescu: there's no expectation the contents of the boxes be obsolete any time before it amortises.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << incidentally, the fact that this has been funded is proof positive that bezzle IT industry broadly agrees with me : moore's law is dead.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: You rated user BlueMatt on 06-May-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: one of the very few dudes in -dev actually doing something useful..
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: hey check it out, nsa-dev goes to join ver-foundation in the pile of relevancy ?
felipelalli: williamdunne: they can make free transfer between different countries?
williamdunne: All the same money..
felipelalli: williamdunne: move usd from Brazil to Italy. My father is studying to use bitcoin. A Brazilian exchange is helping me with that but the problem now is find buyers in Italy.
trinque: it also brings to mind the way these things develop, where first intent may be something which increases or decreases the legal severity of some other crime, but over time becomes a crime all its own
trinque: decimation: in reading the indictment of the former speaker, the terrible consequences of using "intent" as a legal concept are apparent
jurov: felipelalli: i recommend explaining to your father asap that it's better not to sell whole package at once
decimation: yeah, somebody somewhere pulled the trigger, no doubt
ascii_field: otherwise he would be untouchable
felipelalli: jurov: I'm not sure yet, it is not for me, but to my father. As soon I have more details, can I contact you in pvt?
ascii_field: <decimation> another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have? << if he is on trial, then it follows that he first fell from grace
trinque: topic of "where the fuck did you come from?"
trinque: I always think of Jessie Ventura's story about being summoned to DC for questioning by the CIA
decimation: another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have?
decimation: but the actual fact is that he didn't submit to the government spies who work in his bank
decimation: now you know the reality is that the press and the prosecutors are going to talk about how he was dirty bastard or whatever
ascii_field: cattle vote precisely as ordered to - whether at election or in jury
decimation: it's fucked up. if there's any good call for jury anullment, this is it
decimation: did you read the indictment?
trinque: http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2015/03/30/two-former-federal-agents-charged-with-stealing-bitcoin-during-silk-road-investigation/ << claims 20k were stolen by the agents
jurov: you need them how quickly?
jurov: if it was convenience for build script, usually build scripts create new directories for their dirty stuff anyway, so i don't see the problem there
jurov: i will have to flatten the hierarchy before feeding it to lxr browser ( and if you will move files further around, undo that as well)
mod6: it didn't make sense to me to build boost, openssl and bdb under the "bitcoin" directory.
mod6: yeah, this is where these artifacts needed to be.
jurov: and looks like nobody ever followed the manual when submitting additional signatures to the turdatron :(
jurov: (the latter happened in this case)
jurov: mod6 why did you change directory layout in the .tar.gz? i either lose the ability ot compare it to other versions, or lose all files like README, auto.sh that are on the top level
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000069.html guess imma check against this
jurov: asciilifeform: why do you think? the patches are not there? unless i made a mistake, it is the result of mod6's 0.5.3.1 release build script
BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for Cusipzzz with note: banned me from -otc for speaking out against the fork
punkman: "There's a feeling on this list that there's no consensus, or that Gavin and myself are on the wrong side of it. I'd put it differently - there's very strong consensus out in the wider community and this list is something of an aberration."
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu asciilifeform : http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34155307/ << this nigga has declared war on the anti-forkers... seems like spinning wheels but knowing hearn, we'll likely see an XT release with the 20MB removed.
rwg: packing the car lol
BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller
asciilifeform: the interesting number, btw, is 269868
mod6: btw my test with both of your patches {thermonuke} + {tx amputation} is at 193988
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov 'Source Code Browser' link on http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html appears to point to unpatched generic 0.5.3 ?
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 05:34:06; mircea_popescu: "and managing locking somehow" win of the day award lol
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147596 << laugh, but it isn't so hard if you are emulating ordinary sdram. if one side issues a write cycle, the other gets a wait-state signal (gets to think that the dram is in refresh state)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam.
asciilifeform: in other news,
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell Vexual maxpeers 1 addpeer local doesn't test behaviour against torrential 'orphan' crapolade, and other wild things
mircea_popescu: punkman the correct way to do this would be with heat exchangers of course.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://sidewalkcircus.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/baskethead.jpg
jurov: <ben_vulpes> quick poll: who writes in cursive? << i do, but for internal use only. block letters otherwise
punkman: not a bad approach if you don't have to suffer the smog I guess
punkman: mircea_popescu: "free heating if you live next to a mfg plant!" << "Academica has installed a new 2MW database server centre ... Water warmed while cooling the servers will go on to provide heat for 500 homes or 1,000 flats ... After the heat is extracted, the water will be recycled back to cool the servers again."
punkman: I wonder how they'll keep the workload at 1kw when the box doesn't have work to do, run some useless code?
mircea_popescu: "eRadiators makes the data more secure: "It becomes nearly impossible to know what data is where, when it is there and how to get to it," Nerdalize's Florian Schneider told the BBC."
mircea_popescu: mostly because http://trenchcoatx.com/about lulz. "We believe in high quality product, fair prices for the consumer, and fair pay for the people who work for us. Right now were in beta, figuring out how these values fit into todays adult entertainment industry. "
mircea_popescu: alternatively, it would be 72 cubits high, translucent, ageless, nonmenstruating and deliver pregnancy to term within the day
mircea_popescu: "and managing locking somehow" win of the day award lol
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> arguably none of the others needed to be learned.. randomize usr eh.
asciilifeform: exotic then, but today every piece of shit lcd is plugged in through something entirely like this.
decimation: "Each cable between the modules was a twisted pair, cut to a specific length in order to guarantee the signals arrived at precisely the right time and minimize electrical reflection. Each signal produced by the ECL circuitry was a differential pair, so the signals were balanced. " < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-1
decimation: the original 'cray' machines used differential ecl lines
asciilifeform: usually there is some interconnection bus.
asciilifeform: ever since the '1024 chickens' transition, that is generally how it was done
decimation: yeah, but if they can afford it they can also probably also afford to design a custom motherboard
asciilifeform: i assume that the folks who a) want this b) can afford it --- have it.
asciilifeform: there was an outfit which sold something quite like this (fpga on sdram stick) and even one in the shape of a cpu, which could sit down in ordinary cpu socket on multisocket mb
asciilifeform: (connection via ram slots is not, as it may appear, lunacy, but could be done with fpga, which would pretend to be a slice of sdram to two boxes at the same time, ignoring refresh cycles and managing locking somehow)
asciilifeform: so the maximal throughputs are virtually never reached in practice
asciilifeform: ethernet, also, has ludicrous cpu overhead
decimation: well, off the shelf you could attach to a good 10gigE card with netboot
asciilifeform: but i have thought about connecting generic x86 boxen via the ram slots
asciilifeform: and making best use thereof
asciilifeform: nah we're talking about off-the-shelf iron
decimation: but God help the poor soul who would try
decimation: asciilifeform: ideally you would want to connect this naked cpu to others via the memory bus
asciilifeform: hell, the 8MB cache of my ancient 'opteron' is more than i had in my 486dx2
asciilifeform: hypothetically, one could run an x86 box without any ram inserted, given a clever bios made for this occasion.
asciilifeform: the reason is that you can do local vars ('static' to a 'c' programmer) in ram
asciilifeform: (not one of these things had an mmu, nor was there any conceivable need for such a thing on a single-process os)
decimation: asciilifeform: was it because loading the contents of the rom into ram allowed a single address space?
asciilifeform: the two most useful 'basic' keywords, yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'peek' and 'poke' were sop on c64 and most micros of the time, aha
decimation: from the comments on that yugoslav interview: "Also, there was not a ?ban on importing computers? in former Yugoslavia ? it was a by-product of a (stupid) government policy of trying to stop the drain of foreign currency. The customs law prevented a legal import of any goods that cost more than 100 DM (German marks, about 50 Euros in todays money). "
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was in rom and copied to the ram at startup iirc
mircea_popescu: the notion of "allocation" being unknown. of course it's allocated - the machine's on isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: this was the 48kb + 16kb for basic interpreter thing
mircea_popescu: <decimation> he said that the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast to send - fsk encodings of z80 games << i had games i had downloaded off the natl tv station.
asciilifeform: vhs tape can hold a surprising amount (helical scan head!) but tends to rot rather quickly
asciilifeform: incidentally, long after connecting analogue tape decks to computer was a forgotten misery in the west, ru folks were connecting vcr and getting respectable (10-20G) backup
asciilifeform: tape was the mega-storage because just about everyone could beg/borrow/steal a deck
asciilifeform as a boy sometimes listened to his brother's 'bk-0010' tapes
asciilifeform has trouble believing that this came to any good unless you lived next door to the station
decimation: he said that the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast to send - fsk encodings of z80 games
decimation: asciilifeform: amusingly the yugoslav guy said that 'his' design included an audio cassette for program storage (using simple FSK I presume)
decimation: the folks being everyone holding bitcoin (with expectation of trading them for something)
decimation: yes. but until that point comes, I agree that there's alot of cruft in there - there's no reason why working memory needs to be gigabytes
asciilifeform: which is why i think that at a certain point the advantage of a 'bitcoin' which can be -understood- will outweigh the danger of failing to enumerate every possible corner case of the original turd when crafting the ada safety-critical bitcoinatron
decimation: but these are precisely what you want to 'fit in head'
decimation: right, the 'value' of c++ is that you can 'forget' about the crap like 'malloc' 'free' etc
decimation: because it's the bedrock yo
decimation: right, so 'fits in head' fails in all languages higher than assembly, on the c machine
decimation: now, thinking about what the assembly from (say bitcoind) would look like - our slavic human assembler would think that whoever wrote the code was afflicted with a case of 'word salad' madness
asciilifeform: they had genuine z80 !?
decimation: apparently in the yugoslav case it was because it was illegal to buy a foreign device above a certain dollar value - but you could buy the parts and assemble yourself
asciilifeform: (on top of the mass-produced sinclair clones)
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.theamphour.com/247-an-interview-with-voja-antonic-gerontogenous-galaksija-genesis/ < that podcast is an interview with voja antonic, who invented an 8-bit 'home computer' that was published in a magazine in yugoslavia
asciilifeform: the latter is the only reasonable goal, and the only reasonable purpose of the former is to advance it
asciilifeform: alternatively 'i need to fit the code in head'
asciilifeform: decimation: you call it 'i need to instrument the thing in real time and find out'
asciilifeform: but more broadly against crypto research outside of the castle walls, as a class
asciilifeform: 'the great soviet encyclopaedia' and the 'corrections' mailed to owners, complete with razor for slicing out 'unpersons', notwithstanding
asciilifeform: (one nice thing about dead trees is that they cannot be doctored remotely)
asciilifeform: i have the dead tree
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 03:35:55; mircea_popescu: by now i heard the "nsa didn't want strong encryption at all, and lobbied against inclusion of anything like it were microsoft on a bender" from so many people it's settled
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147415 << this is beautifully and amply documented in 'the electronic privacy papers' by (yes) schneier (pre-lobotomy)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i want the thing to shoehorn into, e.g., 'hootoo tripmate'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147327 << the many things alf wants to fit in his mind, and the place where we find his brain is actually 32mb memory.
asciilifeform: in that the total footprint does not exceed a certain size
asciilifeform: any that monotonically increases is candidate for a leak. but mod6's test (and mine) suggests that there are no longer leaks in the classical sense
asciilifeform: to do this, you need http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html
mircea_popescu: by now i heard the "nsa didn't want strong encryption at all, and lobbied against inclusion of anything like it were microsoft on a bender" from so many people it's settled
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nah this is an entirely other animal, 'igprof.' takes malloc byte counts from a living (!) process
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah but the interesting thing is to see how they were involved in the early creation of internet protocols
mod6: :] i read a doc from the igprof site that had me confused on what I was looking at.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plz read log. these are not leaks...
asciilifeform: there is a hard-ram-bound option, presently unused, and entirely separate from the locks constant. see link in log.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i get a ballooning all the way to ~23M during first few hours of runtime, where it stays (based on pmap data)
mircea_popescu: the berkley db mem allocation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "as far as we know" tm, there's no effect.
mircea_popescu: cazalla i think she has a point actually. deed the pages, that's proof enough. and as the derps probably don't know (or don't know they should know), we might even catch a diddled page. maybe.
asciilifeform: if, -after we nuke all of the powerranger cruft- - we end up having to go there - then we go there.
asciilifeform: that is how you get shitgnomatrons in the first place
asciilifeform: magical allocators are entirely the wrong place to begin.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> why not just rewrite the memory allocation engine at this point, asciilifeform << this is two degrees of magnitude easier, at least.
asciilifeform waits for mircea_popescu to eat the log
mircea_popescu: mthreat interesting. so basically they run them looser and with a momentum-consuming groove in one spot.
asciilifeform: it does -not- appear to grow significantly as the thing runs
asciilifeform: decimation: that might be the bdb cache
decimation: asciilifeform: it appears a big chunk of the memory in use is tied up in the CBlockIndex class
asciilifeform: is there even any reason ever to keep more than one or two (second being, one that is in the process of load/verify) blocks in ram at one time
asciilifeform: there is absolutely no reason for bitcoind to ever use more than at most a few MB more than when it first boots.
asciilifeform: let's put it another way:
decimation: asciilifeform: your complaint is that valgrind doesn't catch all the memory use?
asciilifeform: i'd fix it, but these links are not intended as permanent
mod6: OH, i didn't actually need to take the extranious '1' out. gotcha
asciilifeform: then again, it is running on a very generously oversized box
decimation: asciilifeform: does it slow the processing down (igprof)?
asciilifeform: rather, extra 1
asciilifeform: l0l extra 0 in there
mod6: that other page about "text-output-format.html" threw me off.
mod6: <+ascii_modem> there are no leaks in the usual sense <+ascii_modem> the flat graph from mod6 tells us this << right
mod6: <+ascii_modem> nonono not leaks << ok i see, so with -mp in the MEM_LIVE output we're just seeing a live heap. not leaks as the other doc page said.
decimation: I'm not sure, I need to get back on the patch train
asciilifeform: fuck the fixed hostnames
decimation: resolving the fixed hostnames?
asciilifeform: just by taking every piece of retarded cruft and shooting it in the head.
decimation: heh. you realize this means you are gonna probably have to discard all the C++ shit
decimation: so that it fits more comfortably in the pogo?
decimation: asciilifeform: so is your goal to trim out all the 'inactive' memory use?
asciilifeform: this is not valgrind! it does not need the process to terminate.
mod6: so the docs say, "MEM_LIVE records the ``live'' memory -- memory that hasn't been freed. If the profile statistics file you are processing came from the end
decimation: "MEM_LIVE records the ?live? memory ? memory that hasn?t been freed. If the profile statistics file you are processing came from the end of the application?s run, this will be the memory leaked by the job. If the profile statistics file was triggered during the running of the job, it is a snapshot of the heap, i.e. a heap profile. The statistic is accurate (not statistical) and records the number of bytes allocated and the number of c
asciilifeform: decimation: all i noticed is the same 'pocket change' leaks as valgrind shows
mod6: <+decimation> I see what ascii means about the flat graph (memory.png on the orphanage thermonuke) << ahh
mod6: and now, maybe learn the ropes on igprof.
mod6: in addition to the valgrind tests that ascii did earlier this month, i was going to dig into some of that myself in june.
mod6: yeah, im not sure. i need to read more there.
decimation: it defintely thinks those areas are leaks, but that might be because of how it was killed, not because it was actually leaked (in the sense of the pointer was lost)
mod6: but as far as the nmon tests, I wanted to system level profile the entire sync process -- get some visuals, see what we're looking at as far as overall system usage, etc.
decimation: presumably the 'leaks' were found by igprof because he killed it after running a certain time, so memory wasn't freed?
decimation: I guess at ascii, why he bothered with igprof
decimation: so the goal here is to reduce memory use, not to find leaks?