mircea_popescu: austria had one during friedrich's reign and most of europe had one in the 1790s / 1800s
mircea_popescu: china had a generation of failures that got kicked out in the 30s, that's what the entire revolution was about. china actually has lots of these.
mircea_popescu: russia and central europe had a generation of failures that got kicked out in the 90s.
cazalla: it's sorta agreed there that this might be the first generation which is more of a pussy than the last
cazalla: pol also made it clear that prior generations always had one that came after it which was seen as worse than the one before it, at least until now
cazalla: yes i remember a trilema article along the lines of this
mircea_popescu: cazalla well the idea of community based on geographic proximity / random accident like that is certainly taken a beating on account of the internets. used to be you had a shot at random neighouring cunt just on the grounds of being neighbouring, at some point.
cazalla: in the suburbs just outside the city there is none of that and the idea that you know who lives around you is a foreign idea to everyone i've met down here
mircea_popescu: broadway's fucking dead, think about it - it was born out of the need to provide entertainment on the cheap for the hordes of stated insland escapees
mircea_popescu: than the fact that some random immigrant's drooling over random 16yo neighbour.
mircea_popescu: i personally care a lot more about the fact that there are no movies/bands/anything worth going to see
cazalla: tickets, cds, tshirts.. it's an expensive hobby these days
cazalla: i would guess because the last thing that matters is the music.. it's all seating arrangements etc now
mircea_popescu: i suspect for a while yet the only real social cohesion to be head will be in mmorpg raiding parties.
mircea_popescu: society (as an immanent beast in human affairs) is scared to death of it, these days. i can see why.
mircea_popescu: either trench warfare or "great leap forward" sorta crap.
mircea_popescu: cazalla there is something to be said for social cohesion, the problem with it is that it tends to flow towards all-germany / all-russia sort of constructs.
cazalla: i don't have egalitarian values so that the minority get the majority of anything does not bother me
mircea_popescu: that's the natural distribution in a 2 million strong society : 10k blokes with a harem averaging high 80s headcounts, 140k blokes double-tagging 60k hos and the rest watching the previous on instagram.
cazalla: well he's not special and in saying that, i'm not special, but i like but can't explain my desire of social cohesion, which is why i like the hitler videos with endless crowds
mircea_popescu: and the family unit is more of the same. why should 85% have any access to women at all, and why should the 1% not get 94% of all the pleasantly nubile stoyas out there, with the remainder 6% going to the 14% aspirational betas ?
mircea_popescu: once we get an answer to that we can start discussing how to oppress the nigerian again, at which point "immigration policy" may be on the agenda. not befoar.
mircea_popescu: the question of "what exactly is so speshul about joe doe that he should live other than in a hovel like random nigerian" is paramount, and none of the anti-imigration types seem inclined to address it.
cazalla: so i still read /pol/ daily but i can easily point out where i am hypocritcal on just about everything discussed there.. do as i say, not as i do sort of thing is really what it comes down to
mircea_popescu: which i don't see any problem whatsoever with, but then again i'm privileged, or as alf put it, "rootless kosmopolitanski"
mircea_popescu: as a result, it collapsed, and as a result there is absolutely no reason they should make more than a dollar a day.
mircea_popescu: anyway i suspect there isn't a way out. historically, the "civilised world" was rich and powerful because it enjoyed a monopoly on trade, built out of scientific and military effort. the twerps in question, joe average, decided to quit supporting the industrial-military complex (chiefly because they got burned twice in 16-18 and then in 39-44, and it hurt badly, esp the 2nd time, and so it's understandable)
cazalla: don't get me wrong.. i like the idea of a strong family unit.. but i also like the idea of loose whores provided the strong family doesn't find out
mircea_popescu: (actually, there IS a trend of angry older men trying to make these issues about "whores", but general social discourse's keeping them well repressed atm)
cazalla: they blame both of those too
mircea_popescu: well at least it's not blaming the freemasons.
cazalla: i just see my own anecdotes mirrored there.. grew up in a homogeneous society where everywhere knew everyone.. 25 years later that is no longer the case
mircea_popescu: this is by no means a novel point, or all that aptly expressed there, is it ?
cazalla: well i guess the multi-culti immigration might be a start, not that i mind immigrants but i think they are somewhat right in that it undermines social trust in a community
mircea_popescu: but i could be wrong on either score, obviously.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in fairness what i'm saying is that i don't believe that chan is impressive enough in bodycount to constitute a market anyone would wish to cater to, creating the tv version of hot topic, nor intellectually impressive enough to constitute anyone's thought leadership.
cazalla: yeah that too.. other idea is that the writers are shitposting about their show to drum up some viral marketing type shit knowing that /pol/ will and has run with it
cazalla: well it wouldn't be the first time tv writers have use chans for story lines
mircea_popescu: cazalla kinda what adolescents have been doing since forever, neh ? pick a movie/music video/whatevs and imagine it was "about them".
cazalla: 8chan.net/pol is pretty sure that one is about them
mircea_popescu: but qt was fucking incensed at the time, and i agree he had a point.
mircea_popescu: does it end with them on a beach ?
mircea_popescu: what the studio released is piss. and the comparison an interesting exercise in how "management" can fuck up a movie even when having everything needed for greatness in a neat package.
mircea_popescu: true romance ? it's great, provided you have the director's cut
cazalla: watched that last night, at least for the first time in full, not a bad movie
cazalla: these guys just moved on from alibaba to bitcoin it seems
cazalla: that is probably the worst tumblr link i've yet to see in here
mircea_popescu: and in otherr news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/147ea479fbb07dce5fdc500b8e0466f2/tumblr_mlq5ceoTQT1qz8guyo1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: which is the common and imo sensible criterion to distinguish the artist from the common (wo)man : the world in a raindrop effect.
mircea_popescu: chick has an excellent description (in her area of interest) that is not merely of the area in question, but of the world in general
mircea_popescu: on the topic of "the broken husk of a world the imbeciles born before us left behind", and the sacrifices ~IT~ must make to redeem itself and become acceptable for us, http://trilema.com/2015/the-greatest-failure-in-modern-legal-history-the-story-of-joshua-dratel/#comment-114388
liquidassets: Doubles is more technical and more fun to play, by 16 I was hardly mediocre in singles at the international level
pete_dushenski: "A group of bikers will hold a Muhammad cartoon-drawing contest outside a Phoenix-area mosque on Friday and they've been told to come armed in case of a "much-anticipated attack."" << inb4 the cops blame the mosque for starting the ensuing shoot-out
pete_dushenski: though my joints don't have the endurance to play 10 games in a day anymore so i just play for fun once a week or so.
pete_dushenski: there's your "community"
pete_dushenski: there's your consensus for you.
pete_dushenski: liquidassets well, the "p" surname doesn't really give me much to go on.
decimation: heh yeah isn't the north and central more german-speaking?
pete_dushenski: then you're mistaken, my man.
liquidassets: hmm maybe not, but you look pretty familiar, I'm almost certain we were at a few of the same tourneys
liquidassets: Heh he, so you remember then
liquidassets: I always seem to lose the ability to log on..seems I have the best luck with the link to irc #b-a from the mainpage
liquidassets: you know what this world lacks? at least the world I've grown up in..?
liquidassets: plenty of skin in the game..
mircea_popescu: trinque speaking of which, game got icons! for all the... 1k!!11 items involved.
trinque: actually, I guess the ministry of games takes that cake
trinque: however, when the republic starts its first software company give me a holler :D
trinque: hey man, you lamented the lack of hands
trinque: probably no easy way to make the deturding casual side-work
mircea_popescu: corporation is "gotta give everyone something to fill their company hours with"
mircea_popescu: trinque it's a republic not a corporation, ppls are supposed to pick up stuff they're good at and a good fit for
trinque: as somebody who might have an afternoon here or there, that plus the right sequence of patches to get to whatever the present state is would help me contribute time efficiently
trinque: re: bitcoind thread, I'm a hair above useless in C++, and also swapping heavily; however, maybe a page on the foundation site for available missions might help?
cazalla: how's this.. muh bank uses this select 3 icons from 9 icons as 2FA when logging in except they've recently changed all the icons except the 3 i use to login
asciilifeform really wishes presently that someone might fix the engine in therealbitcoin train, because presently it appears to only move when i push it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if our manufacturing phriends continue their good work, then very much so. incidentally i am in the process of investigating a possible alternative firm
asciilifeform: trinque: understand that the first crate will be given to mircea_popescu, who has the unenviable chore of deciding precisely what to do with it
trinque: as the thing has no real alternative.. should command a price that reflects it
mircea_popescu: well then go for it!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y'know, at some point one of us needs to write the canonical 'specificity of diddling theorem' article.
mircea_popescu: by this reason, since all humans use closed designs, there's no benefit to accounting
mircea_popescu: i don't see why i would, either.
asciilifeform: charge the airline what it'd cost to blow a new one ?
asciilifeform: (what do you do when clerk drops the trinitron ?)
mircea_popescu: because what, i'm the servant, and gotta make do with whatever ?
mircea_popescu: decimation the notion of carrying a portable cooker in your lap as a male should be pretty self-defeating
asciilifeform: decimation: in the same place as modern lisp machine
asciilifeform: all models after '110ct' were halfway to the kind of garbage now familiar as 'netbook'
asciilifeform: machine in all respects similar, but with decent keyboard and sans the 'disposable' chinese plastic feel
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the crapification of 'netbook' stands out in clear, cartoon colours when compared with something like the 1997-1999 toshiba 'libretto'
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform thought that it died because machine for viewing porn in toilet doesn't need keyboard << Life for it I saw on campuses was people who wanted laptop, but didn't want to carry a laptop. Same people the next years I saw with heavier tablet/keyboard combos
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but did you notice that the tablets that 'replaced' the netbook have less functionality?
decimation: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/tisa-yet-another-leaked-treaty-youve-never-heard-makes-secret-rules-internet/ < "But the latest leak has revealed more. The agreement would also prohibit countries from enacting free and open source software mandates"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked << I remember the netbook dying as soon as AMD had chips that could win this niche.
decimation: the writing on the wall is that the xeon stuff isn't gonna keep making money forever, especially when intel can only deliever 20% improvement per 5 years
decimation: yeah they keep trying to make mobile shit
asciilifeform: afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked
decimation: also note that this is a tacit admission by intel that they can mint lots of transistors but have no idea how their customers want the transistors to be arranged
asciilifeform: even their joke of an 'open' bios is built in vs, with megs (yes) of .bat script as build chain
asciilifeform: decimation: there is no question of non-retarded tools. in so far as is known, intel's entire toolchain is winblows
decimation: but what's the probability that intel can deliver this functionality with non-retarded tools?
asciilifeform: for the usg market
asciilifeform: the not-so-secret here is that intel wants to bake fpga directly on x86 die
decimation: intel is gonna buy altera, after minting their chips for years
decimation: interestingly it was acquired by the former hp semiconductor division based in singapore, run by chinese
asciilifeform: unfortunately, their products will remain with us.
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/28/avago_broadcom/
asciilifeform: RUchimp: consider reading the log on www
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: read about utility ingresses for faraday chambers some time << might as well look it up nao while waiting waiting for 1nd and third opinions on the orphan slaughter
asciilifeform: imho the preoccupation with man-sized faraday cages is a classic usg idiocy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> decimation: no good at all as faraday cage, they're frame only << But if you replaced the drywall with classically done plaster...
asciilifeform: decimation: no good at all as faraday cage, they're frame only
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for felipelalli from 1 to 2 with note: enthusiastic aspiring writer
asciilifeform: the only time i drilled it, broke three ordinary bits before waking up and going out to the machine shop to fetch a boron nitride one
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or whether my desk will auger in << What else are the studs in the walls for if not bearing weight?
decimation: yeah that's probably the first thing to fail
asciilifeform: or whether my desk will auger in
asciilifeform: thinking of buying three more of the gdm-5402 and replacing my 'eizo's
BingoBoingo: Oh, I wasn't using this for games, but that would have been grand. I was right by a PBS station and could watch "The Victory Garden" in all its glory
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform retches from memory of ntsc screens << Sometimes... the content is already ntsc encoded...
decimation: thost little guide wires on the screen always made me a little happy
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the ntsc trinitrons are not comparable
asciilifeform: (they do not, as we all know, last forever)
asciilifeform: decimation: they did until very recently
decimation: I'm surprised they don't use those in medical applications where contrast is crtical
decimation: took to the dump a few years ago
decimation: I had a 21 inch trinitron back in the day
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ? << next best thing. sealed sony trinitron, of what i think is the largest 4:3 size that was made.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'grace' in the very general sense that these folks are untouchable (see gary condit, who even got away with killing a fucktoy) until they aren't.
decimation: it is interesting that they tried to stick hastert with this 'you lied to us about your cash' law
mircea_popescu: note that for it to be accepted in the discussion, it must exist prior to the event, not merely be constructed ex post facto as a contrapositive.
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:51:24; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D
trinque: one doesn't get to deny the blood they're covered in because "oh I wouldn't do that if I were fuhrer"
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ << ftr I agree with this 100%. this struck me years ago, occupies my mind daily
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:40:56; mircea_popescu: honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147958 << prisoners in usa are 'civil dead', i.e. they cannot communicate securely or pgp-sign. ask ted kazynski. so i'll take that bullet plz
BingoBoingo: <decimation> 50 years is less than life << This kinda depends on the age of the person at time of sentencing
asciilifeform: and i will also point out that we can keep the irc sync mechanism and run it over gossipd.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 23:43:29; mircea_popescu: this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147865 << good nyooz then, i'm loading the pistol to shoot the last vestiges of dns-in-bitcoin in the head as we speak
mircea_popescu: apparently EVERYONE ELSE should. preferably, starting wit hthe civil service.
mircea_popescu: "If they continue imprisoning their betters the result is going to be technically savvy warlords."
BingoBoingo: It's amaxing the filtering we happened upon. WHen nothing happens... qntra slows share creation slows. WHen shit goes down qntra heats up again.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And Serna is young enough to potentially leave jail after the full sentence
asciilifeform: in other news:
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On that one basically the half brother milked some fiat fails and went to Pakistan when charges hit. Syed helped some of his cash return to him.
decimation: well, this calls to mind the 'trial' of georges danton
decimation: My point is that if you represent yourself you are going to be 'presumed guilty of failing to genuflect before the government appropriately'
mircea_popescu: "Danish Syed (archived) was sentenced to 18 months in prison for helping his half brother move to Pakistan." o.O
decimation: the inspector failed the plumbing on many counts. meanwhile the plumber who did the work had similar work passed by the same inspector on a different job
decimation: A friend told me about how a local inspector came to examine his house (which he was building himself). The inspector told him that he should have hired a professional to do the plumbing (he did, but represented his own house to the inspector)
scoopbot_revived: Some Other People Sentenced This Month in US Courts http://qntra.net/2015/05/some-other-people-sentenced-this-month-in-us-courts/
BingoBoingo: decimation: You can hire a lawyer, but you gotta make sure they understand they are the hired help. They deal with the clerks and the bitchwork. You do the reading and make the decisions.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty very much for the timing of that one
decimation: representing yourself in us court is a recipie for disaster - the government clerks do not take kindly to people
mircea_popescu: also http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/#selection-145.0-149.0 to go with that article.
scoopbot_revived: The greatest failure in modern legal history, the story of Joshua Dratel http://trilema.com/2015/the-greatest-failure-in-modern-legal-history-the-story-of-joshua-dratel/
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ? << Whichever Timothy go hooked into working for Vox faced this dilemma. Staid with Vox to his peril
mircea_popescu: they can buy either 0 shares of any stock or no less than 0 contracts in any future.
mircea_popescu: yeah, because they were going to. all bought on the generous pay their prestigious position with the times allows them.
williamdunne: Financial Times writers no longer allowed to hold any commodity, currency, or other tradable asset.
midnightmagic: I'd heard of that guy. That's the coinfire guy is it? Huh.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That and he's got a few fresh off the reddit faces he finds to help throw up occasional extra stories
BingoBoingo: midnightmagic> williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private) << It was Coinfire. They've done a few excellent stories in their history, but the way they operate is just so fucking... odd
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:20:52; cazalla: check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions
mircea_popescu: this is broadly true, but much like the guy with the red stapler, that vast majority doesn't actually take the time and effort to prop conde nast's numbers while derping
midnightmagic: williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private)
mircea_popescu: and that goes to the rest of you fuckheads. 1) i know who all of you are. this because your overlords can't keep secrets worth a shit. 2) my people are intangible or you get fucked.
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -10 for cusipzzz with note: ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean.
mircea_popescu: !rate cusipzzz -10 ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean.
decimation: mircea_popescu: what conversation were you referencing "goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street"
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Feral cats tend to not make it inside and outside of winter they don't really try to either
BingoBoingo: Dratel was the worst. Even Matlock would have done better and he's dead nao.
mircea_popescu: nothing one can do accidentally or untinentionally can ever be as bad as the deliberate, calculated poison the officers of the court masquerading as "defense counsel" put forth.
mircea_popescu: whenever anyone tells you that fucktarded "he who represents himself has a fool for a client", do remember : at least it won't be as bad as the silk road defense.
mircea_popescu: is perhaps the major-est failure in known legal history.
mircea_popescu: whereas the rest of the derps are essentially going on a "holy shit something we never heard of before- BURN THE WITHCq!1"
mircea_popescu: and to point out that the only person being helpful to the community in that room is the accused,
mircea_popescu: "As I've written before, Silk Road was undoubtedly a net positive for the health, safety, and liberty of most of its customers and sellers. "
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I didn't even interupt it. As much as I hated the noise, better it gets the mice than the mice get inside
BingoBoingo: All last night, every 15 minutes, squeak squeak squeak as it plays with another mouse for quite a while liek it is eating a korean octopus dish
BingoBoingo: So it seems we have a young stray cat in the neighborhood that really likes it's dinner still screaming.
mircea_popescu: once something gains legal relevance, there's no way to keep it from becoming severed.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:45:33; trinque: it also brings to mind the way these things develop, where first intent may be something which increases or decreases the legal severity of some other crime, but over time becomes a crime all its own
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:25:41; ascii_field: <decimation> another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have? << if he is on trial, then it follows that he first fell from grace
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147788 << this is exactly irrelevant for anyone in the past. obviously, if trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head, it then follows that trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head. what of this is germane to any discussion of trotsky in any positive approach ?
mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:22:42; decimation: another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147779 << goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic << unless you are a chicken or turtle... then salmonella is just normal poop bacteria
mircea_popescu: these are about as unlike as steel and arsenic.
mircea_popescu: the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic
BingoBoingo: decimation: Depends on the strain of e. coli
mircea_popescu: but we're feeding us, not them
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> salmonella ? << It Birds and reptiles it is part of their normal flora. Can't be considered an adultrant
decimation: where the chicken lobby argued that it would be insulting to the housewives of america if the government said that they couldn't handle some salmonella contamination
decimation: apparently this comes from a court case in the 1970's
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Its not like that is the USGs responsibility </sarc>
williamdunne: Said that while he was ordered to forfeit that much they consider what they sold to contribute towards it
cazalla: williamdunne, where do you get that from? justice.gov says "In addition to the life sentence prison term, ULBRICHT was ordered to forfeit $183,961,921."
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all << Get yourself Bariatric, then get the life sentence for maximum cost infliction
mircea_popescu: williamdunne and the part they didn't sell because their own agents stole ? removed that too ?
decimation: apparently in the us the strain of e.coli that eats your colon is considered to be an 'adulterant' in beef
cazalla: he'll be eating grilled cheese off the radiator
cazalla: but the food..
mircea_popescu: honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all
cazalla: don't forget the 180m he owns USG despite em selling his proceeds
mircea_popescu: what do you suppose is the difference between this life in prison and that life in prison anyway ? not like he was gonna buy himself a house.
cazalla: t-bone and chorizo and then a couple persimmons for breakfast.. i am so snake full
mircea_popescu: they got money burnin holes in their pockets absolutely must buy guy's meal and doctor visits.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:17:31; trinque: http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2015/03/30/two-former-federal-agents-charged-with-stealing-bitcoin-during-silk-road-investigation/ << claims 20k were stolen by the agents
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147766 << pretty much the entirety of the us claims in this case are puff.
williamdunne: Outside of the stupidity that is