asciilifeform for the first time in his life, encountered a defective... jumper.
Avenged2: meowmix081 in the house
assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AL2pnU )
ascii_field: thestringpuller: i set up a strict msdos box not long ago, mainly for games
ben_vulpes: apt-cache madison ??? what the hell.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: believe or not, i do not actually own a machine which could run it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu or at least one of the mods - wasn't
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for mircea_popescu with note: GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com Consistent.
liquidassets: !rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com Consistent.
lobbes: still must decrypt OTP from assbot for the rating however
liquidassets: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com, Consistent.
liquidassets: before I take off for the day, can anyone share how you authenticate, so as to produce a rating?
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 19:15:48; mircea_popescu: they get their father's name and something their mother picked, this is meaningful in a country and meaningless in a prison.
liquidassets: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153509 <<like,, I say "my name" and the heavens open up?
shinohai: The cute bonus is very nice.
shinohai: I want one. The world needs a good cult to fight r/bitcoin, and you *do* look interesting on a shirt.
mircea_popescu: who had made the things ?
mircea_popescu: i'm gonna send one to my mother!
liquidassets: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com Consistent, powerful.
mircea_popescu: they get their father's name and something their mother picked, this is meaningful in a country and meaningless in a prison.
mircea_popescu: i would propose to you that's an excellent definition of a country : that place where young adults know who they are.
liquidassets: an individual on the internet
liquidassets: Definitely a hierarchy in the US but until I get to lizard hitler I will be unsatisfied
mircea_popescu: trinque kinda hard to see past all the schoolyard verbiage and the "requests for public comment" and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: "we the sheep herd" ?
mircea_popescu: so is the sheep.
mircea_popescu: i am saying that while some people in the us have some money, your association with them seems tenuous. it's always a good idea to ask THEM if they feel "we" towards you. obviously you feel "we" towards them.
mircea_popescu: my clothes have a bank account. inasmuch as they can't get off me and i have a bank account :D
liquidassets: When I use the word "we" I mean, I cannot remove myself as a US Citizen
mircea_popescu: and moreover, bitcoin's the dominant word word money word, whatever you mean by those.
mircea_popescu: so wait, "we" do ? are you sure the people holding the money are aware you're including yourself ? got a license for it ?
mircea_popescu: you mean, United States the Maternity Hospital, as in country ?
liquidassets: there's the constitution and bill of rights, we have the dominate world reserve money supply
liquidassets: I mean it's where I was born, there's politics and rules which seem to change or evolve over time
liquidassets: so there are scales of countries? mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: it's about as much a country as the soviet union would have been, if it were run by quisling.
mircea_popescu: i am saying that one should have to be about as clueless as obama to imagine the us a country. how is it a country ?
liquidassets: I don't follow, is that a slight because his ancestry is closer to africa than yours, or are you arguing that he wasn't born in the United States?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153200 << how exactly is the us "a country" ? is this from the obama "country of africa" doctrine ?
mircea_popescu: like the soviets in the 80s, turks sold them all sorts of banal shit at 130-150% because ...
liquidassets: thestringpuller I don't want to care about it anymore, I just want to document
liquidassets: Everything is sourced I'm not the one ML
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla oh i'm sorry. service was briefly interrupted because the fucking beast kept needing apache restarted. but i'm done fucking with it.
kakobrekla: that was while i was working on log1 and thats the last i heard from you.
mircea_popescu: "fugitive disentitlement doctrine" ahahaha that's rich. incidentally - it's how england became a dutch colony, they "deemed the king to have abdicated by fleeing"
thestringpuller: and if you sell to coinbase the local LE shows up at your door
mircea_popescu: how's the "Broken with varnish" thing go, i didn't actually keep that thing
kakobrekla: moved server, broke log1, made log2 work then it went broken with varnish
mircea_popescu: wouldja rather dig into fixing it or just have scoopbot do it kakobrekla ?
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 18:00:41; ben_vulpes: kako turned them off
liquidassets: If I buy my bitcoin from coinbase then it follows that they'll allow me to sell to them and deposit dollars into my bank account
mircea_popescu: if anyone wonders why the 20mb maxtors were encased in fucking steel armor... well...
mircea_popescu: o shit, the old days when drives actually had mechanical failures of the mechanical sort.
mike_c: i guess the power supply went bad..
mircea_popescu: 80% it's the power supply
mircea_popescu: ftr, i didn't follow the logic of that entire conversation.
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 16:08:14; liquidassets: received an email today that they have decided to sever our banking relationship
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 15:27:41; ben_vulpes: they want me to scan in my passport and upload it to their secure portal.
mircea_popescu: in any case, hollywood pre meyer is https://cinenthusiast.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joan-blondell.jpg and the molls. post-meyer it's "angels with dirty faces" and "You're Andy Hardy! You're the United States! You're the Stars and Stripes. Behave yourself! You're a symbol!" and then everybody loves raymond and... "to our current period of time"
mircea_popescu: which is why i said "grandfather"
mircea_popescu: but the concept that informs herr meir is one node up from the medievalist thing as noted
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you have to understand : the phrase as such is mostly used as a certain jew-libertard term of art.
ascii_field: 'repair the world'
mircea_popescu: at any rate, the guy's notions of HOW EXACTLY one'd go about fixing the world are what's at issue. much like a large swath of reform retards - in both judaic sects, xtianity and mainstream - he was the mechanicist persuasion.
mircea_popescu: (yes dear chitlins, there is deep philosophical disagreement behind the entire jew massacre - it's not the conveniently packaged "acts of an unhinged mind". german idealism and jewish materialism clashed, and the jews lost.)
mircea_popescu: he was a congress poland jew, fully imbued of the entire "messiah will come if we garden the shit out of this world" stuff that resulted in the gassings
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 15:08:54; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153062 << what ideas did he have, other than liking the smell of money ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153117 << that is a particularly inapt characterisation of the fellow.
mircea_popescu: hitler at least was wrong. this guy - he's the pinnacle of evil, unredeemable and unworthy of redemption.
mircea_popescu: i hope he gets fucking burned at the stake, for his guild - the greatest guilt that there can be - choosing to be a cog in the wrong machine.
mircea_popescu: the fate of the us libertard is ~exactly~ what it was going to be, except fifty years ago they laughed at "o that could never happen" with all the imberbity of idiocy, and today they're all "nobody could have foreseen"
mircea_popescu: they didn't seem to care all that much about "discussion and analysis" or "due process" or "scientific method" back when those were pointing and laughing at their idiocy, from global warming to fad cures to the whole heap of dumb they live in. but now, suddenly... they wish to be saved by the icons of some sort of wisdom that they never had anything to do with, not anymore than the pigeons shitting on statues are part
mircea_popescu: his objection entirely reduces to "hey libertards, wasn't it great back when we were opressing the conservatives, you know, those rednecks *rolleyes*
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes in particular i find this schmuck objectionable, and quite worthy of everything coming to him, because much like the thief who's not one bit sorry he stole, and terribly terribly sorry he got caught,
ben_vulpes: "All the old, enlightened means of discussion and analysis —from due process to scientific method — are dismissed as being blind to emotional concerns and therefore unfairly skewed toward the interest of straight white males."
mircea_popescu: lol ok. /me fails to manage to care, or summon any respect or interest, for the opinions of poltrons.
mircea_popescu: "This isn't an accident: I have intentionally adjusted my teaching materials as the political winds have shifted. (I also make sure all my remotely offensive or challenging opinions, such as this article, are expressed either anonymously or pseudonymously)."
ben_vulpes: kako turned them off
mircea_popescu: eh, 0.8+ is the kindergarten. if it splits the total loss is ~= two fatties and a stray dog.
ben_vulpes: i don't think further splits are avoidable
ascii_field: as if we had anything like certainty that the chain is not splittable -now-
mircea_popescu: worst case scenario here being where you get it 99.9999% right, and then everyone thinks you got it,
mircea_popescu: (if you do the math, 100 ms for a full bitcoin sig check thing is about where it is)
ascii_field: one more reason to bake the thing into hardware
mircea_popescu: but i suspect that common hardware takes well over two minutes to verify a 1mb block full of txn, which is to say 1500 or so of them.
mircea_popescu: and i will note that the 28 seconds figure is merely an average - plenty of blocks actually do take minutes to check.
mircea_popescu: it's just a rougher implementation of the "verify 1 in x" concept.
mircea_popescu: the "after block x only sync because gavin has said magics about block x" is NOT much better.
mircea_popescu: "increase your verification speed tenfold by only checking one block in ten!!1 how to make money renting out the space inside your nose!" etc
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 15:04:47; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152859 << wait till they offer hardware accelerators (sold to usg catamites only, naturally)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153108 << atm what they're offering is "software updates" that "speed it up" by... not doing it anymore.
mircea_popescu: we complain about the meagre attempts at natural language shanonizing , but what of the poor computers ?
BingoBoingo: And that is the beter web code
trinque: I'm convinced 99% of the industry does not actually know how to code
mircea_popescu: my mental notes were more on the lines of "o look, it's clear that the author understands what his code does" and "o look, there's actually a reason for this stuff to be here"
trinque: better if he doesn't absorb the braindamage
ascii_field: this is literally the only working www gizmo i ever wrote
mircea_popescu: then we can get will dunne to add it to scoopbot.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field listen, can you add a json for the stats which outputs url of newest found pore ?
ascii_field: it'll be in the next update.
mircea_popescu: you really should poison the P with first 10k primes or something.
mircea_popescu: another 29 huh.
trinque: easy come easy go, as they say
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user shinohai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=shinohai&dest=shinohai | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=shinohai | Rated since: Tue Apr 7 10:13:45 2015
shinohai: Don't feel bad liquidassets, I haz none either :/
liquidassets: danielpbarron as far as I'm aware there is assbot and there is meatwot, am I missing others?
liquidassets: danielpbarron It seems I'm only in a position to lead, there are no equals around me to be in my WoT, maybe 1 or 2 people tops
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user liquidassets to user liquidassets: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=liquidassets&dest=liquidassets | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=liquidassets | Rated since: never
liquidassets: it allows you to trade in person. You can post ads whether you're interested in buying or selling btc
liquidassets: ascii_field have you seen the mycelium app?
liquidassets: danielpbarron it was a unique situation here where there were a few dealers who were holding lots of btc from sr
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user liquidassets to user liquidassets: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=liquidassets&dest=liquidassets | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=liquidassets | Rated since: never
liquidassets: I'd still like to have a bank, but the WoT seems very powerful, unstopable.
trinque: eh, it had a good run, but the golden age is long since past and was far too short
mike_c: I used to use it as a hot wallet. keep a bit there for access from anywhere. never more than i was willing to lose
liquidassets: sometimes I buy a few small things using their interface like a trezor or mycelium entropy
liquidassets: once I learned how to set up my own wallets I started taking them back
liquidassets: I buy my btc through them
liquidassets: They're definitely starting to get nervous as investment demand grows
liquidassets: received an email today that they have decided to sever our banking relationship
shinohai: Are they switching to XT ?
liquidassets: Looks like coinbase is starting to make their fork from bitcoin
mod6: Update: v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphange Amputation } is up to block: 344679
BingoBoingo surprised they didn't call it "Circle" but they wasted that name on financial surveillance
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: The FBI's plane flying in circle company
hanbot: cazalla, things go bad in the tropics like you wouldn't believe. i am half surprised to find dry folded clothes still there a few days later.
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 08:04:26; mircea_popescu: forget the thousand, take the hundred. lazar meir, since we've discussed him earlier, had some very strange ideas about good, and constructed a very crazy united states. forcing a point it could be said that he is the architect of today's woes in the hinterlands, exactly like lincoln is the architect of the black poverty and racial tensions.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153062 << what ideas did he have, other than liking the smell of money ?
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 07:32:45; mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Kuban
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 06:40:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152507 << amusingly, the best pay for teaching greek was after the city collapsed
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 06:12:05; mircea_popescu: in sadder news, a reasonably recent 8 core server is doing block verification at the rate of 28 seconds per.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152859 << wait till they offer hardware accelerators (sold to usg catamites only, naturally)
lobbes: thanks for dropping this in the logs, alf: http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/thematic_tutorials/numtheory_rsa.html
jurov: BLE: Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers: BLE: Bilingual Education: BLE: Branch If Less or Equal: BLE: Bulletin de Littérature Ecclésiastique (French: Bulletin of Ecclesiastical Literature)
mats: fun fact: creators of the BLE spec published it with known vulnerabilities, e.g: "None of the pairing methods provide protection against a passive eavedropper during the pairing process as predictable or easily established values for TK are used." (BLE Core 4.0, Vol.3, p604)
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 06:05:18; Landgull: Well, they're still firm, because they're fresh. But you have to go to the market every day or two because the food goes bad quickly.
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 06:04:14; Landgull: The reason tomatoes are pink instead of red is they're heterozygous for RIN, or ripening-inhibition gene to make them ship better.
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 03:39:14; BingoBoingo: In other news, training to get into shape for boxing training is progressing nicely. 80 pushups yesterday... May be able to try a boxing gym next year. Would be nice if I could line it up with USian exodus
Landgull: Thank you for the debate - I concede the point and I'm off to run errands. I am, however, still waiting for someone to claim and argue for their corner of meatspace, instead of against mine (of the moment.)
Landgull: I do hate Lincoln more than any other US president, though.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile le chien andalou still stands, or to quote herr orwell... "Clearly, such people are undesirable, and a society in which they can flourish has something wrong with it."
mircea_popescu: i struggle to find any value in any of his productions, and you certainly don't even know what they are.
mircea_popescu: so now... nobody would have disagreed at the time that his madonna whore complex is "wholesome" - their exact words.
mircea_popescu: forget the thousand, take the hundred. lazar meir, since we've discussed him earlier, had some very strange ideas about good, and constructed a very crazy united states. forcing a point it could be said that he is the architect of today's woes in the hinterlands, exactly like lincoln is the architect of the black poverty and racial tensions.
Landgull: Sure, but if we were to be forced to place a bet on what would be read 1,000 years from now, my bet would go towards the good.
Landgull: Even if the cause is imperceptible, without some skill of maintenance everything crumbles in time. Which book is a best seller today is likely random and inscrutable, no book would be read 1,000 years after being written without skill.
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:47:08; Landgull: I'd rather there were a safe, sane, stable country where I could go, build a business, and have a normal life, but that's not going to exist until btc finishes what it has started.
mircea_popescu: Landgull there's no hard and fast requirement that what happens is perceptible. this in the general. there's also no requirement that what is perceptible is perceptible to you (ie, any arbitrary agent). the expectation that you personally would understand what happened in x or y complex political situation is, to me, highly comedic.
Landgull: But what I mean is this: your argument is a non-form because the goal posts can always be shifted. If they have a strategic advantage of any sort, it can be claimed as a wave. Some strategic advantage will always exist. So the only way a minority can organize against a majority without "just riding a wave" is if they ignore all of their strategic advantages - which would make your supreme good exceedingly foolish. It's like say
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:37:26; asciilifeform: Landgull: get back to us re: the girls once you have $0
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152794 << ok, now you're being plain mean. if there's a broad group of women that are upright in that sense, it'd be the ukrs.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152784 << welcome to the 101th state lol.
BingoBoingo: And exists best in the sequel
Landgull: If one recognizes the value of some asset, such as oil, and uses it to its fullest benefit to gain power, I'd find it hard to successfully argue that it's not a group coming to power by organizing its ascendency.
mircea_popescu: http://rt.com/news/155364-ukraine-nazi-division-march/ << the 2nd historical chick brigade...
mircea_popescu: the golden crescent has its own centrifugal dynamics, what.
mircea_popescu: just, much larger waves in this world than the us.
Landgull: That only solidifies the argument that the House of Saud is a minority that came to power by will rather than by riding a wave.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> next you're gonna tell me the us exists by serving tenochtitlan << Eric Holder's ATF did...
mircea_popescu: historically, saudi kingdom was well established and independent back when wolves ate more people on the us east coast than people killed wolves. politically, the us has ~alkways~ been the bitch in the us-saudi relationship.
mircea_popescu: next you're gonna tell me the us exists by serving tenochtitlan
Landgull: It's how they've solidified and maintained it.
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:31:22; Landgull: Ascii: a kalashnikov in the hands of every resident would achieve the same thing.
Landgull: Both minority groups that organized their way to power by becoming useful as puppets to larger entities (RU and USA, respectively.) Arguably better than the mob that is trying to seize power, but then, that mob is mostly backed by the respective large entities anyway.
mircea_popescu: a minority that actually organises its ascendancy over any majority is the supreme good.
mircea_popescu: Landgull as you age you'll notice that organizing anything is too much effort for most minorities, and in general what they do is try to ride waves, like flies plowing.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152740 << fun fact : the hutu massacre has its origins in the fact that belgian missionaries selectively raped gracile, lighter skinned girls for a century
Landgull: If a state of affairs is highly profitable for a minority at the expense of a majority, and is maintained via force, I tend to think it's not entirely self-organizing.
Landgull: I think the rise of the nation state has caused people to think that there are supposed to be hard lines between ethnicities and cultures.
mircea_popescu: Landgull romania is culturally close to things that no longer exist, not have existed for a long time. romanian is the closest thing to spoken latin still left around.
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:21:16; decimation: the idea that western ukraine exists as a separate race or language is hilarious
punkman: I don't know why fat people would buy that car, they didn't look comfortable at all.
Landgull: Mircea: out of curiosity, wouldn't Romania be culturally closer to Ukraine than to the USA? I'm curious which of the two you would prefer to live in (or, for that matter, if there's a place that's better in your mind.)
punkman just saw two of the largest landwhales I've seen in a while... in one of those tiny Smart cars
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:16:13; asciilifeform: Landgull: if they had learned to manufacture so much as an alarm clock, much less airplane or nuke, they would be somewhere on the road to where 'independence' is thinkable outside of a lunatic asylum
BingoBoingo: But on reddit they are nearly as popular as Bitcoin to within 2%
mircea_popescu: they also sound pretty retarded.
BingoBoingo: Their IRC is a sideshow
BingoBoingo: Their core is still on Reddit
mircea_popescu: why don't they go to 8chan instead.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile Los Zetas and the other non-USG cartel have their Eric Holder weapons somewhere...
BingoBoingo: From what I've read Sinaloa's fortunes have taken a turn for the worse since their USG connections at the top were revealed
mircea_popescu: much like the flea market works. cheapest half-and-half to be had in the lands, but you won't get any pornstar poon there.
Landgull: There's not really anywhere safe to go with assets, including btc, though it beats most of the alternatives.
mircea_popescu: so yes it is much cheaper, in the sense that if you're cheap it's cheaper and if not it can't be done.
mircea_popescu: the bar to effectual interdiction can be as low as a dozen armed trained hands.
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:10:49; Landgull: Plus, as I said, the USgov owns the UAgov, but unlike the US where the government really effects your life, the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability to organize anything.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152686 << in this he has a point. the thirld world derps are comically incompetent to a degree perhaps best typified by that kidnapped columbian general in charge of supressing farc last year.
Landgull: Sure, but having grown up in the US, the buttons that were implanted in me can still be pushed by their propaganda.
mircea_popescu: "Orangutans are among the most forceful of mammals. Bornean orangutans (Pongo pygmaeus) exhibited aggression in almost 90 percent of their copulations, including when the females were not resisting. A possible explanation for aggressive behaviors in primates is that it is a way for males to train females to be afraid of them and be more likely to surrender to future sexual advances."
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you confuse two unrelated things. thieves do not steal the brickwork but leave it behind for similar reasons. << And this is the warning flag Ferguson is a special failure. Theives steal the bricks.
mircea_popescu: arguably they do the same thing, with the means their limited intellect allows them to try and employ. or to quote :
Landgull: steal from you, rather*
Landgull: But I still prefer people who steal from you because they're just stealing from you and they want your stuff to people who steal for you and ask you to say it's for your own good.
mircea_popescu: but mayhap it'll work for your clothesline
mircea_popescu: i once knew a guy who deigned to pick up the phone half the time when desperate hot women were calling to beg him to let them come over for a spell.
Landgull: Sure. And my response is that I expect to dry my laundry on a clothesline until fiat is dead.
Landgull: Sure, if the Ukrainians had anything to steal, the government would rapidly begin to steal it. But right now it's more profitable for them to steal from the USG.
mircea_popescu: apparently, it's because they have very limited ability to screw with stuff.
mircea_popescu: you confuse two unrelated things. thieves do not steal the brickwork but leave it behind for similar reasons.