mircea_popescu: jurov for the record, http://minigame.bz/eulora/Eulora-June12015-win32.7z http://minigame.bz/eulora/cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe
mircea_popescu: put the text file somewhere accessible and link it
jurov: .txt is already there, you can publish it and i'll add html version soon
jurov: ah, put the manifest into html. ic
mircea_popescu: then i can link that
mircea_popescu: what i want you to do is create a page for your own distribution packages much like the one on binaries
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punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/may/19/cannes-backlash-high-heels-emily-blunt-flat-shoes
jurov: what will be one with them?
jurov: the files i uploaded
jurov: mircea_popescu: i thought when you put it on minigame.bz, then i remove that provisional part altogether
mircea_popescu: incidentally : the client is entirely open. if anyone feels like making patches they'll certainly be reviewed.
cazalla: that whale monument lags the fuck out of me
jurov: and eats much cpu too, but i hope that can be improved, there is not reason for that
jurov: punkman it needs decent 3d support, if the laptop has old intel card it works but is a pain
jurov: and i'm getting reports it crashes first time or first two tiimes, but then runs fine
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: seems to be working otherwise, well done
punkman: jurov, there's a problem in eulora.bat, "%PROGRAMFILES(x86)%\cs\winlibs\x86\lib\" should change "cs" to uppercase
mod6: ok, i'll give it another shot tomorrow.
mod6: ok. i did build it from source. no problems were encouterd. followed the COMPILE.txt exactly.
ascii_modem: but only -then- bitcoind
ascii_modem: then i can finally pronounce your setup broken
mod6: but that's all thats in there.
mod6: <+ascii_modem> nohup igprof -d -mp -z -o igprof.mp.gz ./bitcoind -profileheap >& igtest.mp.log & <<< this is exactly how im executing to begin with, then bitcoind is running as such (via `ps ax`): 11738 pts/2 SLl 0:17 ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -profileheap
ascii_modem: the running instance of bitcoind, and only it
ascii_modem: not the rpc cmd
ascii_modem: the bitcoind running instance
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: ;;later tell jurov deterministic behavior for the win. I ran it again and it worked.. thanks!
mod6: i can do another, sec.
mod6: there was just one line in that file: P=(ID=11738 N=(./bitcoind) T=0.008000)
mod6: yeah, the strange part is that im missing that `igprof.mp.gz`
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_modem: really don't need the run log
mike_c: closer, but still not there :)
ascii_modem: forget the valgrind-style run log, it is worthless
ascii_modem: otherwise 'valgrind' would've sufficed
ascii_modem: those are the necessary thing
mod6: i'll put together a rundown
mod6: hmm. this time it didn't spit me out a `igprof.mp.gz`. the log file seems to be growing slowly though.
ascii_modem: ditch the -daemon
decimation: ascii_modem: interestingly the thing has a 'firmware download' feature even though the main program appears to be on the EPROM
ascii_modem: how precisely did you trigger the dump
ascii_modem: this was not in the paste
mod6: <+ascii_modem> gotta ask it with rpc cmd to take each dumpshot << when I take the dump it just puts this one line in there...
mod6: <+ascii_modem> read the ml post again << ok just re-read for the 3rd time. im /pretty/ sure my execution command (first line of that last dpaste ^^) looks correct. can you confirm?
ascii_modem: read the ml post again
mod6: nothing is echo'd out to the terminal.
ascii_modem: what's in the output proper ?
mod6: do you got time for you to get a full breakdown from me? i can put one together quick.
mod6: I've started it up, with a command (pasted above); however, I'm not 100% sure if it's running properly. the size of the log doesn't seem to be growing at all, and not much is dumped when i run: ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin profileheapdump v0531_heapdump_003.txt ( for example )
mod6: hi ascii_modem. I've got igprof built, and i tested it with the test code in the COMPILE.txt file. i've got your igprof_hooks patch applied to the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE source, and i've built it dynamically.
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 22:35:12; trinque: seems like we're at the point that you could pick anything to manufacture in the tech sector, and provided you *actually produce the thing named on the box* you'd be the greatest product in that space
ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156390 << nah. we're at the stage where 'aqueducts? gtfo, we drink piss here, and like it'
williamdunne: Keeps getting rejected even though I'm going through the VBV crap
trinque: "in fact has the ability to remotely activate the webcam contained in a student's personal laptop computer issued by the school district at any time it chose and to view and capture whatever images were in front of the webcam, all without the knowledge, permission or authorization of any persons then and there using the laptop computer."
williamdunne: On that note, did you hear about the school that gave out laptops that students could take home, which automatically too photos every 15 minutes?
trinque: go ahead kids! drain the thing!
trinque: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/5/18/traumatized-students-sue-california-district-for-support.html << lol, they're trying to get "emotional trauma" ruled a disability legally under the ADA, which apparently means you don't have to pass high school, and are due lots of expensive pills and therapy sessions to reinforce your narcissism
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 22:59:07; scoopbot_revived: Protected: Bitcoin Exchanges breaking agreements; BitFinex edition! http://thethug.life/lessons-are-for-schmucks/
decimation: nobody built concrete aquaducts again until long after rome fell into the hole
decimation: mircea_popescu: somewhere along the line people forgot how to make hydraulic concrete
mircea_popescu: it's that for anything but the verbiage - they didn't even know they were in an empire.
williamdunne: cazalla: Thats the one
mircea_popescu: which is how these things happen. it's not that the various people in the empire "left" the empire for the barbarians.
decimation: the hole is constantly filled with chinese junk
mircea_popescu: that is exactly the point we're at - the collapse of "civilisation" won't even actually leave any sort of a hole.
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 22:35:12; trinque: seems like we're at the point that you could pick anything to manufacture in the tech sector, and provided you *actually produce the thing named on the box* you'd be the greatest product in that space
cazalla: williamdunne, leaves a bit to the imagination eh
williamdunne personally enjoys the teasy photos
mod6: alright, bitcoind build cleanly with the igprof_hooks patch applied.
mod6: Unless anyone objects in the next 30 minutes or so.
mod6: After a profile with vanilla v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, I'll further profile with the two Orphanage Patches.
mod6: [ I'm running igprof with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE first as we know with this version the OOM-KILL signal is recieved. Maybe we can get a deeper glimpse to what's going on here. ]
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trinque: by not giving you an override, they're just saving you from yourself
nubbins`: most consumer-level printers never get close to filling their sponge
nubbins`: <+trinque> nubbins`: so this thing is just some arbitrary amount of bytes in flash somewhere that must be reset periodically? <<< the waste ink sponge eventually will overflow... unless you add an external waste ink tank.
trinque: actually strike that, lemme find the original link and I'll see if I can break it again
trinque: I sent it through to reproduce the exception (after re-uploading it to dpaste) and... it worked
trinque: mircea_popescu: #4 will deedify at the hour
trinque: seems like we're at the point that you could pick anything to manufacture in the tech sector, and provided you *actually produce the thing named on the box* you'd be the greatest product in that space
trinque processes the wtf he just heard
nubbins`: i need one that doesn't require the purchase of keys ;/
nubbins`: for newer printers, you generally get a free "wic reset" program and then purchase keys (~$7ea in quantity) that are good for single resets
decimation: probably could get it cheaper if you could dumpster dive in the right spots
trinque: there he is
shinohai: Yeah, I'm gonna try the pogo, I got it running *sorta* in sl4a
assbot: Index of /test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTyYnO )
mod6: Not of this moment, ... there was a completion of a full sync completed with asciilifeform's OrphanageThermonuke & TX Orphanage Amputation patches applied to v0.5.3.1-RELEASE. Nmon charts can be found here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/
shinohai: @ mod6 anything interesting on the bitcoind side of things?
mod6: Thanks to trinque for the help.
mod6: Will update again as I have them.
mod6: I'm gonna try a few other things, might need to get this figured out on another machine. We'll see.
trinque: there's a state air national guard base nearby
decimation: well whoever it was they had alot of cash to burn
decimation: interesting. what part of the country are you in?
trinque: bulkier equipment under the nose
trinque: there ya go
decimation: many of the media helicopters from local tv stations have external cameras now
trinque: this was some wide panel under the nose, rounded
trinque: the guy had equipment of some kind underneath the body of the copter, and something under the nose
shinohai: We would never do anything bad or malicious with our JavaScript, and if you ever run into any problems then feel free to <contact> <<< has anyone ever tested this?
decimation: the only thing weird about the terminal is the resolution of the display, only certain monitors seem to be able to sync properly
trinque hands the lantern to shinohai, makes his first incision in deedbot-
shinohai follows trinque, imagining himself much like William of Baskerville in *The Name of the Rose*
jurov: http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows << to anyone interested: he got it running using these steps
mircea_popescu: funny how the memory hole effect works - people capable of spotting it in a field where they're remotely trained still fall for it in ALL.OTHER.FIELDS.
mircea_popescu: o that myself until I realized the sheer idiocy of those templates, and what the word "consensus" actually means in the Wikipedia guidelines."
mircea_popescu: "Like many (too many) other features in Wikipedia, the cite templates were created by a handful of enthusiastic editors without a clear analysis of cost/benefits, and posted by them as if they were a "consensus" --- which they most emphatically are *not*. Then many other editors started using them in the mistaken impression that they are somehow good for Wikipedia --- which they most emphatically are *not*. I used to d
mircea_popescu: today i learned there's a .tn
ascii_modem: if they're any good
decimation: none of the guides I saw mention using a torque driver
ascii_modem: when they run out - that's all.
decimation: ascii_modem: yeah the mod looks pretty time consuming
ascii_modem: there are no reasonable substitutes...
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 18:34:45; decimation: do you think it is worth the time to 'preemptively' install bolt mod?
ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156199 << -if- you know how. otherwise it's a waste of precious and entirely nonrenewable resource (model m)
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem it's stunning to me this. the cattle seriously wish to behave as if in fact the kolhoz is the reality and what, we've missed the memo or something ?
mircea_popescu: which was going to be "major version" but then some sense got slapped into the derp rangers.
punkman: the "improved" is not yet in, is it?
decimation: do you think it is worth the time to 'preemptively' install bolt mod?
kalki: well It's going - its a bit tough, but that is welcome considering that before I was limited to the level of discussion that happens on twitter or various "btc news" sites... I love the word, and REALLY appreciate the use of it I find in these circles... love the challenge - just hope I get a grip and feel confident enough as far as understanding the depths/possibilities/threats etc of what is happeningbefore the rocket leaves
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 16:42:13; asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/75a4d512cfc9a451fa627a3487ffed102cc67cab << so the 'lock time' idiocy made it in?
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156135 << that's always been there, but it's not enough for their micropayment-channels and other hare-brained schemes. so they want to add more.
kalki: Just a person been looking at btc since late 2013... eventually discovered Trilema, contravex, and qntra, which led me here... now just trying to learn to swim in the deeper water
williamdunne: Dependent on how you need to receive the money/what you need to order etc
williamdunne: I probably should be complaining about one particular exchange, but I'll give them a little more time to fix it, and if they don't I'll be calling them out on their bullshit
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: i, for one, have not located any maker of true mc68k other than freescale today. (the eeprom-on-board variants are not 'true' for the purpose of this query.)
asciilifeform: (zilog is still making z80, nominally pin-compatible with the 1976 variant, yes.)
asciilifeform: long term question for mircea_popescu et. al: who is still manufacturing mc68000 ? -other- than freescale corp. ?
shinohai: tor. sitting around on internet forums doing buying drugs with btc and hating on the government.
asciilifeform: the appeal of what ?
shinohai: I just don't get the appeal I guess.
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 19:04:36; *: asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works'
shinohai: There was this one guy who never shut up about "'murica is spraying chemicals on us every day"
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 19:06:33; asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
assbot: Fix off-by-one error w/ nLockTime in the wallet · bitcoin/bitcoin@75a4d51 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcgR9x )
asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/75a4d512cfc9a451fa627a3487ffed102cc67cab << so the 'lock time' idiocy made it in?
asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/dfdb6dd052416da726db6c2e5f76e875cf08c507 << so they're still using openssl.
shinohai: Those that tightened the tinfoil hats on too tightly, and it has forever left an indelible mark upon their brains.
asciilifeform: shinohai: pray tell, what is a 'libertarian of the wost kind' ?
asciilifeform: with plastic rivets, they had, presumably, a vacuum plate (think 'air hockey' table in reverse) and a hot iron.
asciilifeform: the membrane (yes, there is a membrane deep inside 'model m') must be pressed to the steel 'anvil' evenly in all places, as far as is possible
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my understanding is that this was done to avoid the work of tensioning the bolts correctly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform plastic rivets are possibly the one stupid thing mostly saying "80s" to me.
asciilifeform: rather than tor per se
asciilifeform: or was shinohai speaking of some forum devoted to the subject
shinohai: @ asciilifeform space cadet: those that sit around in dnm's and put god knows what into their system.
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 16:05:26; shinohai: I hav lurked around tor but their is little excitement there for me. Mostly space cadets and libertarians of the worst kind.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156099 << what in the name of satan is a 'space cadet' ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156091 << i probably should have been more specific. meant, what -their data- was worth.
asciilifeform finally grasped the point of the 'bolt mod' for 'ibm model m' keyboard. was cleaning one that has not been cleaned in a decade. keys, chassis - easy, tub of dish detergent, three days. mechanism - washed in nonpolar organics. and that's when a dozen plastic rivets fell right off.
shinohai: I hav lurked around tor but their is little excitement there for me. Mostly space cadets and libertarians of the worst kind.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on the internet, dogs.
shinohai: @ mircea_popescu : did you read the compliments from your adoring fans on r/bitcoin this morning ?
copypaste: yeah. All Java applications hog RAM simply due to overhead of the JVM
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 8chan users are collectively worth what ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entirely different animals. there are folks using tor exits who -really- ought to know better.
assbot: 'Free' VPN Hola is LITERALLY flogging access to users' devices • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARQHbg )
mircea_popescu: eh, this'd be a lot harder hitting if you know... people didn't use retarded shit like whatever that thing was bothering copypaste
shinohai: Of course they arent!
asciilifeform: 'Because release 0.10.0 and later makes use of headers-first synchronization and parallel block download (see further), the block files and databases are not backwards-compatible with pre-0.10 versions of Bitcoin Core or other software. Blocks will be stored on disk out of order (in the order they are received, really), which makes it incompatible with some tools or other programs... The block index database will now hold head
asciilifeform: the very notion that there is any 'detection of malicious exits' worth half a sparrow's fart in the wind, or could be, is lunacy
asciilifeform: 1,001 variations on this theme possible.
asciilifeform: say, it watches for the 'captcha' that google virtually always throws at tor users
asciilifeform: it's a rather obvious question
asciilifeform: shinohai: since you did link it... here's a mega-question for 'tor' enthusiasts. what's to stop a 'malicious' (diddles traffic) node from routing its circuits -back into tor-, and having some other exit end up looking like the guilty party ?
mircea_popescu: by now phuctor's dredged up enough material for a spy novel. "what does muryokoin temple, the australian pirate party and debian/gnu have in common ?"
asciilifeform: it isn't publicly known, afaik. and, my not being in their wot, how would i possibly know of it until now.
mircea_popescu: kinda surprised you dun know it by name, on the grounds that afaik it's the only people doing what you do for a living, outside of russia
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 15:12:35; mircea_popescu: (and the shumitsu aka pearl of honesty was, at the time, the head honzo)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156029 << probably diddled by request of jp in connection with investigation of 'aum' or the 1,001 other similar weirdo orgs there
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ;;later tell WolfeGoethe One day I shall like to make your MacBookPro go to sleep forever. XXXxxx
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 14:37:49; asciilifeform: as it is, half the time it sees 4294967297 and - naturally - stops there
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155952 << it could be made to mill finer but only with addition of particular apparatus. which can just as well be added as a standalone different mill being fed the prequalified choice grains. so let it be, we get to it once the world fails at doing anything useful with its time yet again, in a year or w/e.
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 14:25:34; asciilifeform: if it is on account of some imperfection in the design, however minute - different matter
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155945 << eh come on. we arrange for you to move in with one of the dc area sluts for a coupla months, save on rent :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shockingly enough, the muryokoin in muryokoin.org is a... temple in koyasan
shinohai: I can see the advantages of a from-scratch board tho. I have seen various forms of this with arduinos, et all. But that leaves open the possibility of the hardware you are building on being compromised.
assbot: S.NSA first product - The Cardano on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARLsZ5 )
mircea_popescu: shinohai ^ (see the oldest pages). also http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/ and ulterior s.nsa reports
shinohai: At risk of sounding stupid, are these rng boards meant to generate keys in an airgapped manner, safe from those who are trying to break/weaken encryption?
mircea_popescu: an' in other news... wife trainin' http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md9261g2Uf1rfc12eo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: but i believe that i have explained the basics.
asciilifeform: the restless folks are also invited to visit #b-a (or my personal mailbox, gpg plz.)
asciilifeform: meanwhile looking at other manufacturing houses aiming to compete with mf.
asciilifeform: after these in fact come back, in working order, we carry on with step 2.
mircea_popescu: if they run with it, a well. what's called a write-off.
mircea_popescu: this is a business, not a tech decision. they've not run with a hundred, can be trusted with a k.
mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as they seem to replace duds, i think we can expect.
asciilifeform: it is useful data if i can expect at least one working board in the batch.
asciilifeform: think of it as venus mission. the probe is allowed to burn, yes, but needs to transmit some useful data before burns up.
mircea_popescu: yes yes but the sapper doesn't get to contemplate his fate for too long and remain a sapper.
mircea_popescu: well so then.
mircea_popescu: what, they're a dollar a pop ?
asciilifeform: that's the thing, buying 1000 units from mf is suicidally stupid
mircea_popescu: says on their site or something ?
asciilifeform: i asked the www, l0l
mircea_popescu: i dun see it. how do these people get paid anyway ? paypal ? or what is it ?
asciilifeform: the big deal is that we're dangerously undercapitalized.
asciilifeform: btc is 'after-the-war-money' for me
mircea_popescu: i can arrange for them to get a wire, what's teh big deal.
mircea_popescu: you know, seeing how they seem to replace defects etc, it would not be the end of the world to blow a few btc on just ordering that half dozen as is
mircea_popescu: so basically, you're preparing a more mf-friendly board design (mostly to improve testability) and intend to have them try make half a dozen or something ?
mircea_popescu: well if the rng is 30ish and the board 100, we could easily expect 3^2 that many defects in the board.
mircea_popescu: so, didja mean a fedect free batch ? or else did all the items meanwhile turn defective /
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha there you are
asciilifeform: e.g., -imagine- i pull the trigger and am out of several 10e3 usd. i now have half a dozen complete units. none of them function. what have i learned? that i am retarded? or that there is a solder void beneath a different decoupling capacitor on each board, summing up to a dud in each case but indistinguishable with my instruments
asciilifeform: the defect rate is of concern because of the impossibility of -immediately and conclusively- establishing WHICH when i get the crate.
asciilifeform: if it is on account of some imperfection in the design, however minute - different matter
asciilifeform: if i get a crate of duds on account of manufacturing defect, that's one thing, they take it back, try to fix. this costs months of added delay, but can live with