asciilifeform: (gadget standard in newer bathrooms which senses whether current-in == current-out, and kills circuit if not)
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:49:54; decimation: I bet the girl in the bathtub would have wished that her charger came with a $0.01 fuse
decimation: asciilifeform: they come on both dell & hp rack servers
decimation: but they are shit
asciilifeform: it was once the gold standard of graphics-for-linux
trinque: how in the fuck is github worth anything let alone 750mil
decimation: although all the matrox boards I have used recently were shit
mats: did he inspire you to do the same
mircea_popescu: then provided a replacement (astrid)
trinque: where do I wire the funds?
mircea_popescu: apparently one doesn't need to master english to catch the run-on sentences disease.
mircea_popescu: "I like to re-assure you of the legitimacy of this services as we will not be involved in any fraudulent act and will never be. use the money wisely, we only want to feel good by helping people this time of the year, this is the only thing that makes my wife happy too even now that she is not here with me anymore, we have too much to give away as I only have few months left on earth."
trinque: I guess the ps browser might be opera too
trinque: on the wii you use a mickey mouse finger and your self respect
mircea_popescu: in other news, there's 3x as many people reading trilema off a sony playstation than nintendo wii
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with these people.
asciilifeform: or in the sense of godelizing it to go to some unintended place
asciilifeform: reverse in the sense of building it again somewhere else ?
mircea_popescu is kinda curious whether anyone ever manages to reverse the magic i put into this thing
asciilifeform: little did mircea_popescu know that it is not enough to shoot stupid shit in the head, it has to be scattered with trotyl and buries in five separate graves, or will re-assemble
mircea_popescu: this is all i ever dreamed of - a mmorpg where i know the owner so all the stupid shit can be shot in the head
asciilifeform: l0l there he is.
trinque: right, that's the fun part
ben_vulpes: i'm going to beg a copy of trinque's tools and go murder parts of the economy he's not
trinque: I'm under the delusion that I can make suffciently general tools the jobs don't take that long
trinque: still looking for the perfect set of tools for that
asciilifeform: trinque: or the open src 'elephant'
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asciilifeform: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/girl-electrocuted-by-tablet-in-bathtub/504561.html << related !
mircea_popescu: they didn't beat him or nottin
trinque: Pierre_Rochard: that said I am under the suspicion that this kind of programming can also be done with CLOS in common lisp
Pierre_Rochard: trinque: I made that mistake with the first version of pacioli with datetime logic, I’ve pushed all of that logic onto postgres now
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 23:57:30; decimation: asciilifeform: the intel cards were hardly high performance
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157366 << highest performance card where the open driver actually worked (of those still produced)
mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> this will be a different role though, Ill be working with institutional investors to move their accounting from spreadsheets and PDFs to SQL databases <<< the virgin goddess weeps.
trinque: most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate
trinque: consider for example the difference between using a python ORM and raw SQL for an aggregate over some column
trinque: staying too cozy in python, you'll probably end up reinventing things the db can do better
trinque put a great deal of effort into that problem, only to conclude that one should learn to write the damn query directly
trinque: worth considering how close you may be able to get the accountant to writing the queries themselves
trinque: all the questions any account will ever want to ask are able to be expressed as SQL
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: get intimate with the sql
trinque shudders to think of some of the worst abuses of excel spreadsheets he's seen
scoopbot_revived: Eurlorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/
Pierre_Rochard: this will be a different role though, I’ll be working with institutional investors to move their accounting from spreadsheets and PDFs to SQL databases
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: How goes the shoulder
BingoBoingo: trinque: Yeah, that's pretty much the standard for setting up anything.
trinque: bash script in there with: exec /your/wm/binary
trinque: rather execute, not read
trinque: yeah xfce's lightweight, the various *box (openbox, fluxbox) ones are also very lightweight
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: XFCE is prolly the best stating out option
ben_vulpes: should i skip the desktop environment?
trinque: seems that all evaporated in the US
mircea_popescu: why should the same not work on bois ?
mircea_popescu: well trinque... it worked when random ho was telling all the lazy schoolage hos about how the path to oprah richdom is not in school.
trinque: at least if he had the spine to be a proper communist I'd have a shred more respect
trinque: fucking communist that took his stumbling into wealth as a sign that being a communist is right (what.. the fuck?), that businesses which something something social good are going to succeed, that the financial considerations are not essential to business but evil!
assbot: The battlefield of the future on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MjCF2w )
decimation: "While much of Silicon Valley grew enamored of the digital currency Bitcoin as a libertarian alternative to central banks, Payne began consulting with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a new federal agency created at the urging of liberal lion Elizabeth Warren."
decimation: http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2015/02/alex_payne_one_of_twitters_fir.html < this alex payne guy was part of those who joined the anti-yarvin campaign
decimation: the concept of partitioning security zones on a 'c machine' is an excercise in sophistry
trinque: Every piece of code in TempleOS (except the initial kernel/compiler) is JIT compiled on demand. Yes that’s right – you can run a program without compiling it, simply by using an #include statement from the command line. << I believe this is one of asciilifeform's desirable system features
decimation: well, the idea of executing everything in 'ring 0' is appealing to me
decimation: asciilifeform: the intel cards were hardly high performance
trinque: hilarious for anyone to be lecturing openbsd on the subj
trinque: the redditard has come to expect free software (TM) !!
BingoBoingo: And Theo isn't even the only quality shitlord on that thread: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143357719215507&w=2
BingoBoingo: ^ Theo doing work
trinque: love the way he handles people
BingoBoingo: "You are quite a persistant idiot. Find replacement of a firmware that a vendor wrote for their specific undocumented chip; which runs on the custom processor and hardware on the athn USB device? That runs on the rsu hardware, which is probably some kind of crappy vendor-modified ARM or MIPS or 8085 derived cpu attached to a blob of Verilog logic they designed in their own lab?"
BingoBoingo: ^ God bless Theo
BingoBoingo: "I hope your next mail goes straight to Linus Torvalds. He is also encouraging people to use the hardware they accidentally bought in exactly the same way!! The nerve of him."
scoopbot_revived: The future of human-machine interfaces. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/08/the-future-of-human-machine-interfaces/
mats: will query the man responsible for this fun fact (it is not me).
mats: fun fact: OS X has a Lisp interpreter in the kernel.
shinohai: Bondage theme? mkay: http://www.restrainedelegance.com/preview/arielsnookertableslavegirl11.jpg
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the united states of human rights, http://daddyslittleprincessgoddess.tumblr.com/post/35469654103/justsexypics-every-seven-seconds-law
mats: i don't see this news item on the cn side
mircea_popescu: xinhua being the state news agency
mats: was kinda expecting .gr to switch over to the drachma this weekend
mats: this along with FIFA corruption is apparently top items on the G7 agenda!!!
jurov: it needs not to have any special permissions, just public access (as selected on the key screen by default)
jurov: yes but he wrote there were bad keys, whoich github removed on june 1st
punkman: jurov, maybe ask that guy I linked for a bunch of them?
jurov: they have api limit 6000/hour
ascii_field: jurov: i suggest hex dump of all of the small-factored moduli
jurov: i'm retrying for alll these primes
mircea_popescu: jurov oh i see. how hard would it be to try for 641 specifically ? then if found try 6700417
ascii_field: mircea_popescu, jurov: worth looking to see what, if anything, the small-factored ssh keys have in common
mircea_popescu: b) M is really the product of breakage, that didn't occur there. or of trollage, that idem.
mircea_popescu: a number of explanations are readily available : a) M works on specific code that happened to be wrung out of openssh codebase somehow. differential reading of gpg and openssh should indicate it then, and patch history should show us who knows better.
ascii_field: (at least, as an attack it makes sense there)
ascii_field: i doubt that we'll see the same 'mirroring' trick re: ssh keys, as it is a creature of the old-fashioned 32-bit fingerprint in pre-civilized pgptron
ascii_field: jurov: which keys were these again ?
mircea_popescu: his report that there are no keys divisible by M kinda blew my mind
mircea_popescu: well no because he doesn't have to keep the product
mircea_popescu: he can get results of the form "which moduli divisible by 19" using less memory.
mircea_popescu: hey, that used to be the golden standard historically!
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 15:23:01; jurov: mircea_popescu: just slurping keys using github api and trying some small factor on them. i don't have capacity to full GCD
mircea_popescu: basically if you have a gated community of people who all have 19 yo daughters, everybody has to sleep at the neighbour's!
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, kinda interesting from an anthropological perspective that on one hand fucking your nubile daughter aside her mother in a steaming session is a closely held taboo, but generally speaking fucking OTHER PEOPLE's adolescent daughters is a closely held ideal.
mircea_popescu: jurov a ok. well phuctor propers like what, 1/5 done or so. will add your lot then for sure.
jurov: mircea_popescu: just slurping keys using github api and trying some small factor on them. i don't have capacity to full GCD
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 13:21:12; jurov: only interim results, it's still slurping the keys. ofc there will be writeup
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 12:48:13; jurov: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far have 733k phathub rsa keys, of these 19 have factors 3,5,17 or 23
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157120 << yeah dude totally. buncha hitchhikers move into your house then they're all "dudes, just build your ALTERNATIVE HOUSE then we won't have to you knwo, go sleep in jail tonight"
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 09:53:07; cazalla: fucking australia lol.. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/08/victoria-proposes-laws-to-force-potential-terrorists-into-deradicalisation-programs
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157097 << i can see this. make him live with half a dozen highschool dropouts and fuck them at least five times a day (each). a few weeks later... what radical omfg.
jurov: now doing second batch, there is a dude with ALL keys broken
jurov: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far have 733k phathub rsa keys, of these 19 have factors 3,5,17 or 23
BingoBoingo: !up justanotheruser
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cazalla: another state, Queensland, has something similar whereby bikies are not permitted to associate with other bikies even if no crime has previously or is planned to be committed
assbot: Victoria proposes forcing suspected radicalised teenagers into programs | Australia news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhoyBi )
cazalla: fucking australia lol.. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/08/victoria-proposes-laws-to-force-potential-terrorists-into-deradicalisation-programs
ben_vulpes: and the update manager nags me about 14.04 every time i run apt-get
asciilifeform: had some very interesting features found, afaik, in no other cpu
asciilifeform: in other news,
mircea_popescu: aaaand in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma356gYq4S1qibgrlo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: just like in that other usa.
asciilifeform: for most of us, just one exit - up the chimney.
asciilifeform: notably, afaik in all states that have government lotteries, folks trying to quit gambling habit can ask themselves to be place on permanent list of folks who will never be allowed to claim winnings. but one cannot, apparently, do this for the mortgage racker.
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 03:14:44; mircea_popescu: and worked it like the old style porn scams, just keep billing all your ccs
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157021 << the traditional form of the crime in usa involves borrowing gigantic sums in the victim's name
assbot: Logged on 07-06-2015 22:15:30; danielpbarron: ^ all the users idling in here with a key registered and 0 in assbot's l2
decimation: it's one of those things you can call up old ladies and sell to them
mircea_popescu: and worked it like the old style porn scams, just keep billing all your ccs
assbot: Logged on 07-06-2015 18:58:33; decimation: I suspect many of these 'free giveaways' for credit monitoring are merely trojan horse marketing schemes
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-06-2015#1156878 << imagine, if the identity theft protection thing stole your identity!
decimation: "Frankly, I'm actually considering recanting. Who wouldn't rather be Galileo than Giordano Bruno? But recanting is a serious matter - it's the sort of thing you need to get right the first time."
mircea_popescu: i'm sure there must be a wankfest dedicated to this topic somewhere, purring in the basement waiting for its time to feed at the public trough
decimation: interestingly yarvin himself appeared in the thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9676813
decimation: you know it's a good point. somehow the whole 'multiracial marriage/dating' thing has gone way off the burner in the us
mircea_popescu: today ? who's the campbell of today so i'm not stuck using old prunes in my illustrative koans.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, wtf's going on in the country of the fair ? back in the 80s they had superhot black supermodels and blondy madonna was tag teaming them with rappers
decimation: heh I guess, in which case I suspect a significant number of white males in the us would qualify
decimation: I mean, he certainly affirms the falsehoods of egalitarianism
mircea_popescu: is yarvin even racist, other than simply being stupid ?
decimation: not exactly high in the social world if you think about it though
decimation: well, 'calling the shots' as in 'appear vaguely threatening on twitter'
cazalla: why do those guys always look the same
decimation: in order to convince him to blackball yarvin from the conference
decimation: apparently he's among those who 'influenced' the guy in charge of this conference in st louis
decimation: link from the thread: http://pando.com/2015/02/04/the-geometry-of-censorship-and-satire/ < "horizontal censorship"
BingoBoingo: I'm just wondering... How the fuck does one get labeled too conservative for a conference in Missouri?
ben_vulpes: on the rocks
trinque: boots a kernel which should be equivalent to the livecd (genkernel), grub2, eudev instead of udev, root has password "gentoo", all other decisions (logger, cron, so on) left to be made
trinque: yeah, got a torrent of the image too
decimation: " But they believed the lies. As a result, they now have negligibly greater contributions from ?the oppressed?, but they are losing out on contributions from conservatives?extreme conservatives now, but moderate conservatives later. In the end they will have nothing."
decimation: https://improprietaryinfluence.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/a-strange-loop/ < another blog on the topic > "What should have happened was the activists being told to get lost five years ago, when the ?inclusiveness? crusade began. Neutral technologists, if they knew then what they will know eventually, would have done that."
Adlai: he even specifically distances himself from the content ("I have not personally read them"), what apparently his audience is unable to do
decimation: it would be a real shame if you showed up at our meeting of the jacobin club
decimation: note the particularly oblique angle here: it's not that yarvin's opinions are bad, it's that his group can't handle them, see
decimation: "However, in this case it is clear to me that your opinions in areas outside your talk are concerning enough for a significantly large number of attendees that those reactions are overshadowing the talk and acting as a distraction for launching the conference as a whole."
decimation: ^ perhaps there is an awakening here, folks are realizing it make sense to 'live in the bedrock' rather than accept the shit-stack in userland without question
trinque: coming at it from the perspective that you do everything not related to booting the thing *after* booting the thing
decimation: " ? raters will assess how well the rated officer or NCO fostered a climate of dignity and respect and adhered to the Sexual harassment/Assault Response and Prevention (SHARP) Program. "
decimation: for instance, Handle points out: "See, e.g., this updated criterion for military officer (and NCO!) evaluation (only now becoming a big deal, since one is no longer able to slide with ?supports the program? type of bullet points). This is the Army version, but the same policy is now implemented across all the armed services."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: ;;later tell pete_dushenski no problem, that blog is one of the few that are fairly readable in the 'reactionary sphere'. top commenters too.
trinque: also writing up my steps, not using the handbook
decimation: I suspect many of these 'free giveaways' for credit monitoring are merely trojan horse marketing schemes
decimation: the other part of the scam is to get you to subscribe to a 'service' that does very little for you
shinohai: http://www.wired.com/2010/05/lifelock-identity-theft/ <<< like this?
decimation: you know, 'that's an aweful nice score you got there, would be a shame if something happened to it'
decimation: the 'theft protection' generally are the same agencies selling the credit scores also selling you the 'service' of telling you when someone applies for credit in your name
decimation: so all you need to do to apply for credit is to know someone's personal identity details, mainly their social security number
assbot: Logged on 07-06-2015 15:33:03; pete_dushenski: "The agency is offering 18 months of identity-theft protection and credit monitoring services for those who have had their personal details lifted." << i cannot possibly comprehend what's meant by "identity theft protection"
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-06-2015#1156812 < pete in the us this often is a scam. Because none of the banks actually use a WoT to determine creditworthiness (like they did in the past), they use a silly credit score system
ben_vulpes: i just keep failing/to compile/crystal space/on my mac/ooh ooh ooh (to the tune of https://youtu.be/Urdlvw0SSEc?t=49)
ben_vulpes: chetty's going to post me a tarball to try, i expect it to behave the precisely same way
ben_vulpes: have also done the same thing with various svn checkouts
ben_vulpes: dude what is the damn point of a sub
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, the navy is gearing up for its own f35: http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/06/congress-tries-to-hide-a-submarine-000069
pete_dushenski: but maybe one day he'll stumble upon this corner of the world, and we'll have the logs to start with
pete_dushenski: he's probably too old and retarded to bother inviting here for a little conversation
assbot: How the adage “time is money” and the existence of Google+ prove that Facebook is worth less than dust. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwPzfW )
pete_dushenski: anyways, i hung up worstall once before when he tried to make a value proposition for facebook : http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/23/how-the-adage-time-is-money-and-the-existence-of-google-prove-that-facebook-is-worth-less-than-dust/
pete_dushenski: "A quick historical divergence: it's much more useful to study the 19th Century recessions to see this, as at that point M, money, was determined by the supply of gold. And yes, recessions really were accompanied by significant deflation and also falls in output and no, no one really liked that at all. Which is why this idea that Bitcoin has only a single total amount that will ever be issued is not to the taste
pete_dushenski: ""So, if we increase the money supply then we'll get lots more inflation. This didn't happen, or as I'll point out, did in fact, so obviously those who were crying wolf were wrong"
assbot: So why the hell didn't quantitative easing produce HUGE inflation? • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwPeKb )
pete_dushenski: the reg's tim worstall is at it again : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/07/so_why_didnt_quantitative_easing_produce_huge_inflation/
pete_dushenski: "A Spanish woman has filed a lawsuit against eBay for the right to sell the Sun, El Mundo reports." << an answer to that old question : "what is the utility of the sun to you ?"
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: you're familiar with asciilifeform's story about sponsors of foreigners in the states taking mortgages out in the foreigners names?
ben_vulpes: i think i have 3 concurrent "identity theft protection" contracts
pete_dushenski: "The agency is offering 18 months of identity-theft protection and credit monitoring services for those who have had their personal details lifted." << i cannot possibly comprehend what's meant by "identity theft protection"
pete_dushenski: ^unearthing all the "i was just doing my job"ers.
pete_dushenski: "On Thursday, the US Office of Personnel Management (OPM) confirmed that hackers broke into its servers. A data center in Denver was compromised, we're told, which resulted in the loss of personal information on four million current and former employees; the records could date back as far as 1985."
ben_vulpes: now i'm just trying to compile the latest
ben_vulpes: was trying to package and upload an msi or some other such madness
ben_vulpes: the first fun bit was when the configure script for chetty's specified version of cs actually asked me for the password to crystal@crystalspace3d.org's account...
ben_vulpes: i don't think they're terribly weird, but what do i know
ben_vulpes attempts to compile crystalspace on os x for the third time today
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: life in the arctic is nuts compared to life on the internet, where every day is just like the last.
pete_dushenski: 5 months of fair weather (may-sept) where i can be active as all hell, and then 7 months where i eat carbs and go soft
ben_vulpes: how so nuts? you're far away from the equator.
pete_dushenski: it's actually nuts how seasonal life in the arctic is
pete_dushenski: few more weeks of summer weather and 10 is very much acheivable.
pete_dushenski: and on the chin-ups-as-a-measure-of-fitness front, i can currently do... 8
pete_dushenski: was there anyone else here who did a military stint that i'm forgetting ?
pete_dushenski: not that i'm volunteering to fight BingoBoingo, but mats or adlai would be the one's i'd watch out for.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153802 << if these kids knew their asses from their heads, they'd be most scared of the ex-military guys in #b-a
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell decimation thanks for putting me on to that bloody shovel blog ! you'll find it quoted in the most recent contravex
shinohai: And the spelling is atrocious .... obvious troll/phish
shinohai: The heart isn't red enough, may need more spanking to ensure max crimson.
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mblyts2T0m1rejj40o1_1280.jpg << the heart in question
scoopbot_revived: The "Follow your heart" myth. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/07/the-follow-your-heart-myth/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: jurov, the uppercase thing was fluke, it still crashes a bunch of times before it works
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-06-2015#1156512 << the notion that anyone fucking asked them...
mircea_popescu: then i was like a! wait... you can't copyedit gpg signed matter!
mircea_popescu: i had added a dot after #eulora and then spent 5 minutes trying to figure out wtf why dfoes it say bad signature