pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: then self-teach ? go back to school ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what if they become inclined at 19 ?
mircea_popescu: romans had forbidden slaves (ie, teachers, more broadly, bureaucrats) beating their kids as a cornerstone of civility.
mircea_popescu: "students will learn to fly then grow the wings most adequate to their preferred flight style"
ben_vulpes: i also suspect that the initial stable of teachers will actually be the parents. nobody else is going to give a shit and la serenissima runs on deficits anyways.
ben_vulpes: teachers'll have to order parents to do so, as the thing of necessity'll have to run over teh wotnet
pete_dushenski: 4. sexual education is to be taught in praxis, not just theory
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: realize that this is not unlike the 'everyone will learn to write' thing from back in the day
pete_dushenski: 3. no touchscreens allowed on the premises
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: usg-themed spam is sop for years now
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: was particularly amused that the one part of the park that worked - eg infrastructure team - partook of no such nonsense. had leadership that delegated.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the choice as to whether to sit by the pool and look pretty / sit by the oak desk and look stern was always open to everyone.
ascii_field: they would hold their circlejerk meetings and literally pause 'waiting for a female voice'
ben_vulpes: "The process favored those with the most time, as meetings tended to drag out for hours" "Some called it “feminist process,” for it seemed to embody feminist ideals of participation, inclusion, and egalitarianism. " << some derps sit around and derp while other people are making decisions and setting the wheels in motion. is it any wonder that the kochs always win and occupy always loses?
ben_vulpes: unrelated: on the quakers, consensus and 'activism' in america: http://berkeleyjournal.org/2015/05/the-theology-of-consensus/
pete_dushenski: this year i really can't be bothered to watch f1
pete_dushenski: last year's race was comparatively showy : massive crash on last lap, 1st win for non-mercedes car as red bull's ricciardo took the chequered flag
pete_dushenski: "Reigning world champion Hamilton finished 2.2 seconds clear of Rosberg at the end of 70 relatively-uneventful laps around Montreal's Circuit Gilles Villeneuve" << missed this over the weekend, i guess.
pete_dushenski: i would've bet a buck they'd have packed up and given up on their "komoonity centre" thing
pete_dushenski: they just won't give up !
pete_dushenski: "but certainly not avoiding the subject of sex even though no one said we were and even though that's the point of my derpy little spamblog !"
pete_dushenski: "Sex-Kitten.Net has been around nearly a decade, in one form or another. It was begun by me, Gracie Passette, as a place for women, by women, about women ~ not only to discuss sex, but certainly not avoiding it."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: I shut down the monitors and went for a walk after 10-15min, so it was mostly just idle computar
mircea_popescu: who are these two incidentally ?
nubbins`: there can be no doubt that in our century, this feud is number one
nubbins`: from jezebel, for example: "The Katy Perry-Taylor Swift feud is undoubtedly the feud of our century"
BingoBoingo: Oh, other people catching on to the gawker model http://www.reaxxion.com/9508/gawker-writers-unionize-in-response-to-gamergates-bloody-nose
mircea_popescu: but not to despair - another one this sunday.
mircea_popescu: i dun think you comprehend how much ass eulora kicks and will kick in the future.
nubbins`: oh wow, i missed out on the eulora thing
asciilifeform: perhaps - this week's the time.
mircea_popescu: the approach here is to breach enemy's reliability,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is the runner's problem.
nubbins` gestures to the drugs
nubbins`: text file sitting in the root dir
asciilifeform: and bitcoind will have to be given either a) own external ip, in config or b) ip of irc net to connect to
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if we snip out the 'whatismyip' thing, that becomes the one and only turtle on which the elephants stand
nubbins`: i think we reached an impasse as to what was the proper way to find one's own ip and then other nodes
nubbins`: i recall the discussion on that
asciilifeform: these - need to go
asciilifeform: and a few other invocations
asciilifeform: but this leaves the idiot 'whatismyip' thing
asciilifeform: i have a months-old patch on the ml, which got lost among the nuts and bolts, that nukes dns seeds
nubbins`: actually, compiling boost w/ the buildroot toolchain is what had me stuck
asciilifeform: nubbins`: once this is done, it will be theoretically possible to build uclibc-ized bitcoind
nubbins`: i just can't re-create the build ;/
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have buildroot working to my satisfaction. esp. after davout fixed the bug in mke2fs
mircea_popescu: rather than pretending depression under false pretenses much like "ununderstood" adolescents pretend to be gay.
mircea_popescu: they actually have a right to it.
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 14:19:57; mircea_popescu: they're both made to make you feel good.
nubbins`: or was i the only one barking up that tree
mircea_popescu: (the incidence of depression among idiots being for this reason the most amusing thing of all! seriously, YOU'RE depressed ? you don't even have enough of a fucking clue to be sad.)
asciilifeform: incidentally, i assume everyone remembers the usg-sponsored outfit publicly parading their net of sybils (based on 'pseudonode' or something entirely like it. student can write equivalent in an evening)
mircea_popescu: they're both made to make you feel good.
mircea_popescu: more like, the brain's not made for thinking anymore than bitnodes' is made to count nodes.
mircea_popescu: and then you don't remember it going away.
nubbins`: i remember being terrified at the time
mircea_popescu: nubbins` bitnodes is in the business of finding what it wants to find.
asciilifeform: it is on therealbitcoin ml
mircea_popescu: this of course is in the logs
nubbins`: how many times have i heard "there are only 6000 nodes"
asciilifeform: why do you suppose i took precious time to run the orphans experiment
mircea_popescu: kinda why the scoring nodes are important
asciilifeform: btw i fully expect to see the classical bitcoin net under organized crap flood in near future.
mircea_popescu: inertial mass is, much like the "centrifugal force", a matter of observer observing
asciilifeform: (all things have inertial mass, is the proximate cause)
mircea_popescu: what, the electrons have to spin 1billion times ?
mircea_popescu: what is it that makes the speed of chemical reaction be the speed of chemical reaction ?
asciilifeform: what, the filipinos have to grunt out precisely 1GB of forum commentz ?
mircea_popescu: always reasons. the fact that nothing's instantaneous in the physical world is the chief reason there may even be life in the first place.
asciilifeform: the thing which boggles my mind is, why not yet
mircea_popescu: who and where told them "we're getting wiped, at the most last out another three, maaaaybe six months" ?
mircea_popescu: now wonder along with me : WHY is it that shithead gavin is SO VERY FIRMLY CONVINCED this must be done "before the end of the year" ? hm ?
asciilifeform: in as far as i can surmise, the 'dept. of accumulating btc for the lizard throne' and 'dept. of breaking btc because wtf 111' co-exist
asciilifeform: well, on one hand, mircea_popescu gets to pick up cheap coin. but on other, can't buy spare reactor for dirigible for 1 btc
mircea_popescu: actually, i hope most of it does, and i hope it comes out of their corneas and their daughter's labia.
mircea_popescu: and i don't care how much of it comes out of the skins of idiots.
mircea_popescu: soros' breaking of the bank of england should be the only example you might ever need.
asciilifeform: the waterfall also works on everyone. but is expensive to maintain, yes
mircea_popescu: which is why the incensed bitching.
mircea_popescu: the "you can't hold it" thing works on everyone. huge difference.
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 12:59:40; mircea_popescu: amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157773 << hey, they did retrofit the price control mechanism (buterin's waterfall) from gold
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 03:49:45; decimation: the massive antibody response from usg against these escaped prisoners is amusing
asciilifeform unfortunately lacking the link. if anyone turns it up, plz post.
asciilifeform: there were some good photos of resulting 'castings' also.
asciilifeform: speaking of counterfeiters, i once read a fascinating bio paper where folks determined the actual cause of death of 'drink molten lead'
nubbins`: (hypothetically)
nubbins`: but i'd use the epson for copying currency anyway
nubbins`: i slayed an $80 Brother monochrone laser
asciilifeform: nubbins`: does yours have the evil usg yellow dots ?
nubbins`: ah. i've only run maybe 10-15 books through the colour one
asciilifeform: nubbins`: these are found only in colour laser
asciilifeform: nubbins`: turns out, they do.
nubbins`: runs under all the drums?
nubbins`: is that separate from the drum unit?
nubbins` also runs two Brother laser printers: one b/w, one colour
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the printing per se worked. but sometimes the plastic would come right off the page when you fondled it.
mircea_popescu: whatever you call them
nubbins`: and you should print with your printer at least once a week to keep them from drying out
mircea_popescu: the toner granularities thing is a fine example of biology in business.
nubbins`: incredibly boring support videos but he knows the machines inside & out
nubbins`: ^ the old man who runs this company is a wizard
asciilifeform: nubbins`: was this that same printer where you ran a hose into the ink tank instead of swapping out cartridges ?
nubbins`: also worth noting that a replacement print head was 50% the cost of a new printer
nubbins`: so were the 80s
nubbins`: mp actually these epsons are workhorses
asciilifeform: (what, not everyone prints one time pads on thermal paper ?)
nubbins`: so i bought a replacement printer 30 minutes before i fixed the thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're giving me spots on the spleen.
nubbins`: wait now, your thermal paper is fire-resistant?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is a serious problem with thermal. Twas a pain lighting the losing tickets friday night.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i like to pipe logs to thermal printer. (think 'cash register'). astonishingly fire-resistant, but does fade with time
nubbins`: anyway. soaked the printhead in ammonia overnight. reassembled everything... it says all 6 cartridges are missing.
mircea_popescu: yeah, because that's the monkey logic, "shit, this guy makes it so that i have a job!!1"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i order so much paper that the UPS guy is starting to not like me
mircea_popescu: is your log also only made out of paper that was there before you were born ?
jurov: nubbins` did not get it cuz he reads irc out of the printer
asciilifeform: 'Good luck with that buckeroo. Looking forward to your complete rewrite of the Broadcom NetXtreme II 10/100/Gigabit firmware, by the way. There are about 25 versions of this product, and they have 4-6 MIPS 64-bit cpus running different firmwares on them. Total size, around 260K. It's like a bunch of independent operating systems running on propriety hardware!' << this is endemic and getting worse by the minute
nubbins`: ah yes the booky-wook
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know i left you a ding in the logs while back, you ever got it ?
asciilifeform: got one of these already
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it IS pretty much the baseline to distinguish computer from toy.
BingoBoingo: Run bitcoind is the new definition of fast
asciilifeform: thing lasts virtually forever. on account of the chemistry of the process, it laughed at power supply noise that would nuke any other cpu
asciilifeform: in that if you were to wish for a crate of 10,000 in one pop, there would be supply problems.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually there are plenty of folks who want. but they go to 'ebay' or 1,001 other places where they're a buck or so
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: buy a bag of 5,000 FETs. that there's yer phoundry.
BingoBoingo: I am interested nao. How long until we get a foundry so we can make them fast?
asciilifeform: afaik there was never a compiler for it (you could trivially port sdcc etc. but... why)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but seriously, "efficiency" aside, i have nfi how one'd program for a processor that allows random switching in and out of the process counter / memory counter etc.
asciilifeform: thing was famous for, among other things, 'sex' instruction
mircea_popescu: "Karen Bender" is not a bad name by the way
asciilifeform: (where the hell is that ticker?)
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3345E99D51E56537F74CE146536E40351169B4683A79EE61CC1A5042861E630
asciilifeform: phun phakt: my parents still have chinese towels father bought in ro in '80s
mircea_popescu: yes, they did, romanian friendship :D
mircea_popescu: and in the breakfast cereal today, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maz4dlgoVF1r3iafjo1_500.gif
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 12:21:50; mircea_popescu: there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 13:11:13; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/#selection-99.53-99.69 << how does that look to you ? :D
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 01:55:55; trinque: most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate
assbot: Eurlorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBR8JI )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/#selection-99.53-99.69 << how does that look to you ? :D
mircea_popescu: i will also observe that s.mg launches much awaited bitcoin's mmorpg, usg.agitprop is silent ; "blockstream" launches "much awaited" (by whom ?) nothing at all, the wsj seems compelled to write it up within the hour.
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 11:31:45; funkenstein_: looks to me like pure theatre
mircea_popescu: this bodes well for them.
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 03:36:59; asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate how many of the traditional nato stereotypes of soviet industry were not only false, but apply to nato wholly and not at all to sov
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157660 << fnargl problem. the soviet politbureau was secure. the usg "feminists" are not.
mircea_popescu: the population of the world barn stood for it once, "monopoly on violence" and all that bull, why shouldn't it work again ???
mircea_popescu: amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."
mircea_popescu: iirc the yugos had even more , but i don't recall specifics
mircea_popescu: there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")
funkenstein_: if there really are "many ways to discover the private keys", then there are necessarily many ways to discover the message sent, no matter how it was encrypted and keys distributed
funkenstein_: looks to me like pure theatre
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:53:51; trinque: how in the fuck is github worth anything let alone 750mil
shinohai: tl;dr If you need "another project" to work, join #b-a!
shinohai: "If you don't like it, find another project" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIafZXRDH7w&feature=youtu.be&t=1672
vexual: 24 moons either way im prolly right
punkman: I imagine things are more tense in Athens, but haven't been in that shithole for a while now
decimation: heh yeah ddr was the silicon valley of su
decimation: somehow they don't produce different designs though
asciilifeform: decimation: only in the loose sense where 'commodore amiga' is like pdp
asciilifeform: my elder brother, like millions of kids, learned on it
asciilifeform: iirc the sov. single-chip pdp11 (famous in 'bk-0010' microcomputer) appeared before there was such a thing in the west
asciilifeform: some were not even clones in the traditional sense, but legit reimplementations
asciilifeform: whereas there is not, nor can there be, an independent maker of, e.g., cpu, in the nato blok
asciilifeform: nominally under the boot of 'gosplan' but factually own animals
asciilifeform: e.g., ussr had, in fact, a great many independent (in the administrative -and- engineering sense) manufacturers of various things
asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate how many of the traditional nato stereotypes of soviet industry were not only false, but apply to nato wholly and not at all to sov
decimation: maybe intel will get around to releasing a cpu that uses cores for error checking rather than extra derpage
asciilifeform: at one point i toyed with the idea of building a 'wallet' with one.
decimation: at least for the command/control peices
asciilifeform: thing had huge transistors, and only around 5,000 of them
decimation: if I were launching a satellite I would sure as hell rather have time-proven parts
asciilifeform: the basic model was actually 'spacey'
asciilifeform: it beat the shit out of its contemporaries (z80, 6502) for instruction-compactness
decimation: apparently the 'new cool kids' couldn't be bothered to write decent software or use rad hard cpu
decimation: heh the cy enfield keyboard
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asciilifeform: where there are sealed tubes still for sale
decimation: heh, maybe if you a plebe in the us
asciilifeform: (but will they ship to a plebe? satan only knows)
asciilifeform: you can even get pin-compatible with the classical dip-40 package.
asciilifeform: (one of the best, z80, is -also- still with us. in current production, by the millions.)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu would you happen to know the name (part #?) of the yugoslavian clone of the cdp1802 ? or (if existed) ro version ?
mircea_popescu: decimation the 70s were 45 years ago.
mircea_popescu: but the idea that random derps are getting 5mn from wb because susan'd have wanted it...
mircea_popescu wasn't there, doesn't know.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157500 << gotta love the idiots. as if 'git' had no existence outside of 'github'
trinque: yeah mine's got that adjuster on the arm you can diddle a bit
asciilifeform: decimation: in the worst cases, yes
decimation: but isn't the flow limited by ceramic plumbing?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah the 'low flow' toilets are bullshit
asciilifeform: ditto the toilet
asciilifeform: decimation: not like 'humans' will fix their broken-by-design surroundings. visit a few folks in usa and see how many drilled out the idiot 'water saver' thing from their shower head.
decimation: asciilifeform: what I don't get about the 'orc' world is: why not learn to fix shit like that yourself?
asciilifeform: e.g., light switches at whatever height builder felt like placing them
asciilifeform: americans often piss their pants (or nearly) when travelling abroad to 'orc' world, when they discover what -no- building code looks like
asciilifeform: (they are 'standard' in usa too, but i only touched one with own hands when moved into current house)
decimation: but yes, a gfi would have helped too. are they not standard in ru?
trinque: "Development work on Elephant been limited since 2009 and support not complete for the latest versions of SBCL and ClozureCL. It hasn't been tested at all with recent Allegro and Lispworks releases." << must be near the end of the most recent lisp cycle