mircea_popescu: "Brian Krebs, who talks about the weird symbiotic relationship he has with the criminal underworld" orly ?
mats: i do not enjoy this game of catching the falling knife
decimation: actually the fact that usg is weirdly reactionary is probably the only thing holding it together
decimation: I suppose what I am getting at is that having any kind of distinction at all flies in the face of usg's egalitarian sermonizing
mats: is this not the case?
decimation: sure, but in centuries past the distinction was based on nobility vs. commoners
trinque: did not enofficer either
mats: because they are
trinque: angry, pissy, well dressed college bros, but nonetheless
trinque: the officers on base seemed like college bros
trinque: I spent a couple summers on air force bases in texas in the jrotc thing
decimation: ^ yeah they probably would do a shit job
mats: all the joes would piss and moan, good luck getting anything done when they take smoke breaks every hour
decimation: they are a class that is privledged with construction
decimation: today every labor union in the country would be up in arms
decimation: "The Marine Corps provided construction labor as a "military exercise."
asciilifeform: i imagine it will materialize when the nominal 'civilian control over army' evaporates
asciilifeform: mats: i wonder when usa will adopt the ancient ru tradition of commanders 'borrowing' entire regiments to build their country houses, chop wood, etc.
trinque: my googling suggests it depends on the service
mats: get a 'walking profile' so you don't even hafta run the distance in fitness test.
decimation: yeah, still get the 'customs and courtesies'
decimation: I think they do a few weeks of basic
decimation: yeah, they are 'officers' mostly in pay scale only
mats: through 'direct commission' e.g. med corps seeking doctors, nurses, other health professionals
assbot: Warrant officer (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MH3G0N )
decimation: in the army 'warrant officer' is a specific rank
asciilifeform: what is it called in usa when you are nominally an officer, but only because you had ph.d. when you put on the uniform
asciilifeform: mats: some snakepit. perhaps one of these. can't recall presently
trinque: heh, I bet the locals would love a russian speaker around.
asciilifeform: decimation: the office next to mine at old work was inhabited by a russian fella. with rank of major.
decimation: asciilifeform: actually it would be interesting to be a russian speaker there
asciilifeform: mats: one time when i was out of work for many months, i applied to be a... sysadmin in afghan. but was rejected, with polite letter that 'you gotta already be in the army.' for some reason this was not stated in the wanted ad.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I think that's kinda the idea
decimation: asciilifeform: if stuck on base, you got a burger king, they are apparently universal
asciilifeform: mats: but presumably not because of the high-quality ways to spend time off work there ?
asciilifeform: mats: from my perch, it looks more like patent office (i.e. actual work) than the other kind
trinque: or any other such thing
decimation: unless you minimize your time there to become a patent lawyer
asciilifeform: mats: heavens no. they make you work!
mats: so what i'm hearing is i should apply to be a clerk at the patent office
decimation: asciilifeform: that sounds like a nice life, as long as you can work on what you want and aren't bothered by paperwork
decimation: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. "
asciilifeform: didn't require selling soul or keeping secrets, either
decimation: one can hardly raise a family in the wash dc area for $80k
asciilifeform: until the funding runs out
asciilifeform: so long as the thing you like to do can be done in front of a computer in a converted broom closet - you're in heaven.
asciilifeform: for most of the 'staff', this consists of reading porn, yes
asciilifeform: you can sit there and do mostly whatever.
asciilifeform: having worked in a very obscure usg bureaucracy (one of the many army labs) i will say this - it is a kind of valhalla for folks with own projects / ideas. not because anyone will support these (smoke less crack) but because there is virtually no accountability, management, or actual task
decimation: otheres have found something interesting to do
decimation: surely many of them are insane
asciilifeform: no one ever talks about the 'up side' of being a bureaucrat, but i think it is necessary. otherwise you are stuck believing that these people are clinically insane (they are not.)
decimation: "Very low quality workforce overall. At times NSA employment feels like welfare for ex-military who couldn't get better jobs. Moreover, because there are too many employees, we cannot reward the highest performers with a reasonable salary."
trinque: I suppose that's what the win8 machines were for
decimation: heh "Cons: The management. The lack of parking. The decrepit facilities. The location. The political fallout from recent events."
asciilifeform: the only reason the nukes have not yet 'wandered off' is that the 'serious' part of usg works the same way as my house, or mircea_popescu's
trinque: I wouldn't mind that being the case.
trinque: maybe they're safer than I think
trinque: we're making new weapons-carrying machines all the time
trinque: nobody ever connects a flash drive at the weapons installations
trinque: like the boeing entertainment system
trinque: and I know such systems are supposed to be disconnected from other networks, sure
trinque: with the abovementioned rot, I tend to anticipate the day when some US enemy of the many just turns whatever network-connected weapons we have inward.
decimation: lol it might be worth making a burner identity to read these reviews
asciilifeform: plus the mega-benefits of guaranteed employment for life, fat pensions, health 'insurances', etc.
decimation: no doubt it's the private sector where usg showers it cash
asciilifeform: where the actual money is
decimation: unless they have general's pay
asciilifeform: trinque: rot and infinite money, 200k usd office/fellatio assistants not only coexist, but go together like bread/butter
decimation: worst case is that they learn something embarassing
asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)
trinque: the "they" that's smart enough to kill 'em is dumb enough to http://betanews.com/2013/01/03/windows-8-is-good-enough-for-the-us-department-of-defense/
decimation: lol of course they do
decimation: congress can't be caught doing anything positive for intel these days
mats: ah, the coveted 'ten point preference'
asciilifeform: let the man keep some dignity
asciilifeform: if herr handle turns up here, it will probably be in the 'ninjashotgun' capacity. so i'd rather he didn't
asciilifeform: my own personal picture of him is, he isn't 'ideological' usg, but rather a fella who quit a promising academic career to turn soldier, and went half-deaf in afghan, along with devil knows what else; but was then rewarded with lucrative bureaucrat post. he won't be giving it up.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless << do you recall tlp's 'if you're reading it, it's for you' maxim? consider, why is this fella on front page of nyt? vs the $maxint other folks held without trial
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless << do you recall tlp
decimation: two outlaws escape prison, commit the crime of making gov't look like buffons
mod6: I forget whom it might have been, maybe nubbins` who said that the openssl headers don't get copied correctly on gentoo from the openssl build dir into ourlibs/include/openssl, i can confirm.
asciilifeform: eff lobbyist who tells us that 'wassenar is a done deal, all that can be done is to litigate some of the edges off'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158703 << i'm with herr limonov on this subject. the outlaw is '100x the man' of all of his pursuers put together.
trinque: bahahaha, clicked "in other news link" expecting tits
scoopbot_revived: Eulorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination http://trilema.com/2015/eulorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GlWh-oQE7aM/UbcBnwxEz2I/AAAAAAAAAVM/cd9d-zEJPXo/s1600/188426_10150106868550178_120612075177_6796052_7699443_n.jpg"
asciilifeform: 'Ивану за атаку - хуй в сраку. А Маньке за пизду - Красную Звезду.' << related. 'ivan led the attack, got a cock in his back. masha's twat went far, got her a red star.' ( http://ordenrf.ru/upload/nagrady/orden-krasnoy-zvezdy-3-a.jpg )
asciilifeform: yet another was that it started life as 'to wish for to eat the fish and -not- sit down on the cock'
asciilifeform: (question is always asked, how are these two activities in conflict? one version holds that original was '[to wish for] to both eat the fish -and- suck the cock')
asciilifeform: 'и рыбку съесть и на хуй сесть' << '[wishes for] to both eat the fish -and- sit down on the cock'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the full form actually is, "vrabia malai viseaza si lenesul praznic" (and the lazy man, a saint's day feast). sorta reminiscent of your drowned boy.
mircea_popescu: "the bird dreams of ground corn"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is that something like 'who speaks of what but the lousy will speak of baths' ?
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 21:38:53; ascii_field: the qa meat robots determine 'yes it crashes if you feed it an odd number of letters in the address field' etc
asciilifeform: the proximate goal of wassenar etc. is not to jail academics (though the 'chilling effect' is a bonus for usg) but to herd the legit multinational corps who mine winblows 0days (e.g., 'vupen') and sell on market, into usg banners.
mircea_popescu: and in between them, systemd.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the only thing usg likes more than chump running winblows is a chump who thinks he isn't, but is.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I thought it was to get people on the fence to return to winblows because they accidentally bought the wrong machine
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: objective there is to herd the remaining linux/bsd diehards onto nvidia/ati
BingoBoingo: Hence the intel graphics driver news
asciilifeform: usg is working on plugging holes in the wintel-to-nsa pipeline.
asciilifeform: it is also not a secret what they are pushing as 'wrong technology.'
mircea_popescu: we're the state slayer. worst group ever.
mircea_popescu: "Defence said the new rules are necessary to stop the wrong technology falling into the hands of states or groups of proliferation concern." << this is bound to collide with bitcoin in the mid term, by the way.
BingoBoingo: "There are no poisons that are specifically designed to kill lizards." >> http://www.ask.com/home-garden/poison-should-used-kill-lizards-ef7334a7b9c23689
mircea_popescu: it is not worth the paper it's printed on.
asciilifeform: interestingly, it is not even a treaty in the formal sense
mircea_popescu: moreover, "this is where you have to break the laws of your country because we don't like breaking ours"
asciilifeform: like pgp in the '90s
asciilifeform: incidentally, the au thing is more interesting than seems on the surface, because came directly out of 'wassenar agreement', a usg imposition on its entire colonial domain
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the power harness.
mircea_popescu: you had a nitrocellulose disk in there or what
mircea_popescu: i don't see it either.
asciilifeform: it bothers me that i am at a loss as to how this could even physically happen
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the specimen i turned up has clearly seen better days.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform in a somewhat more sour mood than usual, on account of floppy drive in 486 having caught fire << This is tragedy actual floppy drives that haven't been run to shit or decayed on their own are increasingly rare
mircea_popescu: fuck them.
gribble: Born secret - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret>; Security Classification of Information, volume 2 (Quist), Chapter Three: <http://www.fas.org/sgp/library/quist2/chap_3.html>; What Does "Born Secret" Mean? (with pictures) - wiseGEEK: <http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-born-secret-mean.htm>
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 23:36:58; jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu ftr, not my title ! i also proposed including "the city"
asciilifeform: at the cost of now having to guard a suitcase of plutonium
pete_dushenski: you spend $100k/mo then ?
asciilifeform: if through wot, invitation to get some other fine fella gassed on my account
pete_dushenski: though i'm sure pre-paid visas can be purchased on craigslist or the like
pete_dushenski: lolk mebbe not the visas...
asciilifeform: (one can buy petrol with them, that's mostly it)
asciilifeform: (other than adding to my usg-jailable liabilities)
trinque: and there is no such thing as something without a cost
trinque: shinohai: I'm saying someone always foots the bill
shinohai: I am not saying there is anything wrong with free (Debian for example). Just that if you want a different product with extended features, those cost $ to develop/
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 00:03:52; trinque: pete_dushenski: ftr the foundation's funded by a tax
pete_dushenski: though that's also the result of low barriers to entry
trinque: pete_dushenski: ftr the foundation's funded by a tax
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 23:36:58; jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158532 << i've said it before, and will say it again - au is a usg-owned zoolag where they try out new and bleeding-edge idiocies
trinque: we're talking about the end user's packets
pete_dushenski: right, and we're talking about the end-user here, are we not ?
pete_dushenski: trinque so what should the b-a foundation's bitcoind cost to download ?
shinohai: There *is* good free stuff online, I just don't expect it all to be free.
shinohai: Free sure, but if I tell that to my ISP they likely will disconnect my service. xD
trinque: shinohai: the internet is free comrade.
shinohai: I don't personally use it, I just love those posts where they bitch about paying for things.
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> OMG we have TO PAY FOR NICE THINGS! << The last sorta decent Multibit happened between 0.5.11 and 0.5.13
pete_dushenski: ah, just rough approximations then ?
mats: fun fact: You can resolve kernel module addresses on Windows by looking at the session image list, which is linked to from a fixed VA.
jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."
asciilifeform: 'Also the JPEG2000 parsing is done within a try-catch that catches all exception. This would allow an attacker to bruteforce his/her way to successful exploitation as the vprintproxy.exe would stay alive even through access violations.' << ahahahahaha.
asciilifeform: nothing prevents us from referencing and zeroing memory prior to the font, as the 32-bit arithmetic will wrap.' << ditto
asciilifeform: 'When extracting a TrueType font from the EMFSPOOL file, TPView.dll will verify the checksum of the font prior to further processing. To do so, it will walk the tables, zero out the padding at the end of a table and checksum the table. In doing so, it will trust the offset field of the table record and add it to a pointer to the font buffer. While there is a check to make sure that we dont go past the end of the font,
asciilifeform: 'The program performs unsafe 32-bit arithmetic, leading to an invalid size check prior to a memcpy() operation, leading to a heap overflow.' << can we plz haz shitgnomes playing 'underhanded c contest' prior to employment? these old idiocies are getting - well - old.
asciilifeform: 'vprintproxy.exe is launched on the Host by vmware-vmx.exe as whichever user started VMware. vmware-vmx.exe and vprintproxy.exe communicate through named pipes. When writing to COM1 in the Guest, the packets will eventually end up in vprintproxy.exe for processing.' <<<< run moar winblows!! (tm)
asciilifeform: mats: iirc that is one of the lulzfarms that attempts to fuck with bitcoin net for usg
lobbes: I always overlook the power of piping
fluffypony: and then get very frustrated when shit isn't working and I can't debug it
fluffypony: the 2> will pipe both STDOUT and STDERR
trinque: and then blew up trying to tell ya
trinque: lobbes: could've just been that the thing had output, not necessarily an error
lobbes: no specifics on the actual error.
lobbes: checked syslog, but the error prompted me to install an MTA
lobbes is new to this cron job stuff.. surprised to find the -only- way to see errors is to email them to yourself (i.e cannot write to local log)?
mircea_popescu: http://www.mateirosca.com/prose/the-medianett-saga-adventures-in-mercenary-churnalism/ << and here's a (very naive) story from the agitprop mines
ascii_field: http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/more-trouble-for-airtel-injects-javascript-code-to-monitor-data-usage-activist-receives-notice-270111.html << details of the dmca barratry
mircea_popescu: http://www.mateirosca.com/prose/no-lands-man-or-how-not-to-do-an-election/ << more of the same, if you care.
mircea_popescu: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/guccifer-letter-01.htm << fwiw, the style of that production is exactly the "pov derpage" fashionable among the unemployed writers/table waiters of the day, whereas linguistic profile radically unbefitting a 40yo unemployed cab driver in bucharest
trinque: gentoo has this crazy indirection between the various python versions (is I suspect the culprit, don't care enough to delve futher)
ben_vulpes: but i suppose that i just don't understand how the (c, unix, haskell, programmering) world actually works
ben_vulpes tried haskell once, irreperably borked the install, never touched it again. will never trust its advocates claims re: "bug free cuz static static really static awesome type system ftw"
mod6: heh, i built valgrind on deb6 lastnight as well. didn't work with bitcoind either statically built, or dynamically. might have to give this a try tonight on the gentoo aws instance.
jurov: and there is python-updater
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the directly analogous c/cpp item you were likely thinking of is (on gentoo) 'revdep-rebuild'
ascii_field: cpp is really a 'crime against nature' to the extent that nothing really can process the barf it produces
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: btw i regard valgrind, igprof, etc. as 'c cleaners' rather than cpp. they only kinda, sorta work on cpp
ascii_field: not really related except in the sense that the hose in a mortician's workshop is related to surgeon's endoscope
mircea_popescu: unlike the profilers.
ascii_field: and the crud built with previous versions dying en masse
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 'cleaner' in question was a util that is meant to clean up the explosion of blood and guts which results in perl upgrading on a gentoo box
mircea_popescu: got worried for a minute there
ascii_field: bitcoind is the thorn in everybody's side in this respect
ascii_field: i'd like to reorganize their insides.
jurov: yea i remember that, they reorganized it
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins` didja ever get past the eulora new account screen?
mircea_popescu: it didn't come with instructions on the box.
ascii_field: 'the microscope aided me. best hammer.'
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: pretty much everyone i know who's worth talking to became the way he is -in spite of-, rather than with the aid of, school.
ben_vulpes: read the bible three times, numbers in particular.
trinque: and force them to interact with people who are intimidatingly accomplished
pete_dushenski looks forward to suggestions for "ben+pete's magickal skool for kidz who can mebbe not suck" in the logs
mircea_popescu: ascii_field re the perform on call thing : it definitely selects for the sort of woman you like.
ascii_field: we already know the kind of people 'star pupils' grow up to be
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box.
mircea_popescu: some kids decide to grow spina bifida, how are you gonna help them improve their choices ?
pete_dushenski: neither is 1-day-old
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you're approximately describing 19th c. ru military academy. except there you get beatings + death in six years
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kids can opt this for themselves ? not too young ?
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: i'm perfectly aware. i wasn't the cram-exam type myself !
mircea_popescu: kids can opt whether to die young and leave a beautiful corpse much before any serious effort was spent on them
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: try to grasp that 'perform on schedule' selects for certain kinds of human, not necessarily the ones you like.
mircea_popescu: the only half decent approximation of a test would be, "either you go to school where each day for a year contains a beating, or else we kill you in six years".
pete_dushenski: tests can be interviews, written exams, theatre performances...
mircea_popescu: "i've visited all the places my friends sent me cards from"
trinque: I tend to think you have to beat that out of the intelligent if it's absent
trinque: the right kids will want to learn
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: visit jp, ru, cn, or - hell - us for that matter, to see how the 'tests' thing works out
mircea_popescu: rightly is determined by that they put your world ablaze.
jurov: there are tests for that?