asciilifeform: nubbins`: perhaps when they're new? i don't think i've ever encountered one that wasn't obviously mashed to all hell
asciilifeform: decimation: i recently learned that one of the great theatre organs, 'wurlitzers,' still works!
nubbins`: the hands are just for show
asciilifeform: the instrument demands it.
asciilifeform: it is still on the list.
nubbins`: asciilifeform put some levelers under the spring mech so you can raise/lower it
mircea_popescu: and twitch your off the ground foot
asciilifeform: again gotta have the click-snap
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know you could prolly hack a gravimeter off an old "smart"phone and a sock together into an excellent pedal.
asciilifeform: (btw i began with a sewing machine pedal. turns out, they have terrible analogue noise in the switching mechanism )
nubbins`: kick drum pedal w/ clicky button under the hammer.
asciilifeform: i must have the click
asciilifeform: ( mircea_popescu was largely correct, one reason i'm not overly fond of this pedal is the difficulty of resting the foot )
decimation: doh sorry for the chan spam
asciilifeform: these are proper pedals.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform probably because they're shitty whole foot pedals
asciilifeform: overrated. find that i don't used them often.
mircea_popescu: the REASON it didn't use to be available was pure expense, but now every xbox comes with em
mircea_popescu: there's no way around it
decimation: but the whole point of remapping control is so that you don't cripple pinky
asciilifeform: then ctrl can be meta
nubbins`: packs of old ladies circling the shelter all day
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm typing on a genuine model m, it is better than the unicomp
asciilifeform: causing overwhelming urge to visit the zoo, closer and closer to lions..
asciilifeform: would be interesting if it worked on people the same way as on rat, though
decimation: yeah I suppose that's the mechanism
asciilifeform: decimation: the toxoplasma thing ?
decimation: I read a paper recently that indicated that there was a link between long-term cat ownership and crazy
asciilifeform: (what else are they supposed to eat?)
nubbins`: i should show you some of the multi-layer prints i've done
asciilifeform: need something like the apparatus used to paint car fenders
asciilifeform: it is even possible to make proper soldermask (think the green glossy coat on most commercial boards) in jungle conditions, but this, i have not tried.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: then yes
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the silkscreen on pcb is largely optional
mircea_popescu: i think there's a difference between those two is-es
mircea_popescu: something like out of the buttefield 8 interiors.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pet is not the 'silks' type
mircea_popescu: a happy medium between the hosts.
mircea_popescu hopes to visit one such house before he dies, where half is all tussled in silks and the other half is roughtly what i imagine alf already built.
nubbins` suspects "more ventilation" is high on the list
asciilifeform: they might, from general sop
nubbins`: asciilifeform and they won't even wear spacesuits
asciilifeform: crew will probably not distinguish mountain of circuit boards from the poor old woman's plastic bottles
mircea_popescu: i thought iut was "newspaper ; plastic bottle ; other"
nubbins`: things get tangly exponentially fast with the cat ones
asciilifeform: pet: 'realize that if we died tonight, the entire contents of this room will be carried out in just the same kind of black bags as are stacked over there'
asciilifeform: i remarked to the pet: 'my well-informed colleagues explained to me that science knows of three species of hoarders: 'clean,' 'dirty', and 'cat' '
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the interesting thing is,
asciilifeform: (these are still shoveling. they just brought out a very ornate lamp, covered in grime)
asciilifeform: well, the invocation of stretching gurlz etc. certainly suggested interaction of the flesh-to-flesh kind
mircea_popescu: i will cloink you all in the head with a taleb hammer
mircea_popescu: this is my objection throughout this conversation : he was cutting the definiton to its first surface, like the people in your magic show. and now you wish to cut interaction to the first branch.
asciilifeform: if indirectly, as 'horseman' of popescucalypse - then surely.
mircea_popescu: or will they ?
mircea_popescu: well then.
mircea_popescu: this idea that homo artifex and somehow things that are are the result of deliberate reason etc...
mircea_popescu: natural processes contain their ends.
mircea_popescu: aww, and i didn't even get to inquire if the woman that said "because we are also the only ones who give birth to men." was on welfare or not.
mircea_popescu: the rich nabob states exist to please.
mircea_popescu: as you can see, the entire definition rests on what ~i~ prefer,
mircea_popescu: if i like the busy look of woman in b, then b just scored. a is a pos nao shame on it for its moral bending ways.
mircea_popescu: i visit. if it's the case that i like the rested look of the woman in a, then state a just scored. no longer welfare.
mircea_popescu: state a keeps her "on welfare". state b makes her work in the grocery store.
mircea_popescu: take the mental experiment of, two states which each consist of one woman.
asciilifeform: then - not 'welfare' ?
nubbins`: so are most of the people on irc.
mircea_popescu: just as soon as people become unwilling to participate, the dole dries out AND civilisation's gone
mircea_popescu: because essentially what statehood means is this "we band together, get the bison, and then you can have some"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyway, if your definition of social assistance is "spends govt checks" then everyone in the us is on social assistance, much like everyoner ever in any developed country throughout history, at all points.
mircea_popescu: kinda the intension of my old "too dumb to sling dope" piece
mircea_popescu: buncha dumb blondies all over, except they're not so nice to look at anymore.
asciilifeform: somewhere, long ago, one fella (lost the link, unfortunately) described the 'in tech' folks as quite like the quasi-retarded assistants in a magic show, who think that the performance is actually -about- the ropes and trap doors
nubbins`: that's why they're sitting on irc.
mircea_popescu: yes you do, but the model's broken.
nubbins`: unless, y'know, the husband is on social assistance.
mircea_popescu: if not them, why anyone else ?
mircea_popescu: are women that live somewhere in the continuum between chattel property and housewife on "some form of social assistance" ?
mircea_popescu: i think "in tech" is one of those, could either be in or out depending where you want to present yourself.
mircea_popescu: in other news, MANCAVE!!!1 http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rb04QEVv1qe9d8go1_1280.jpg
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the majority of people on irc who don't work in tech are generally on some form of social assistance
nubbins` imagines that most of the lurkers in here assume he's on welfare
mircea_popescu: (women, contrary to what they project, would biologically prefer the smaller imposition)
mircea_popescu: also why they dislike small penii
nubbins`: i do, incidentally, like the smell of ink, but only water-based acrylic
nubbins`: actually, i print because there's a very basic yet powerful reinforcement in holding something of beauty that you've created with your own hands.
asciilifeform: and for no other reason ?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: carefree l0l. so nubbins` prints because he likes the smell of ink ?
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 14:13:10; nubbins`: but i was set to gain either way
assbot: Let's understand mutual betting together on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUXaOp )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/#selection-57.90-59.33 <<->> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160714 lawls.
asciilifeform: mats: it is, in practice, the last remaining commercial unix
mats: asciilifeform: OSX has so many skeletons, from NeXT, Mach, and the PPC days...
nubbins`: but i was set to gain either way
assbot: Let's understand mutual betting together on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUWWGP )
mircea_popescu: allahisgreat2000 see http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it took me about a week to figure out the nuts & bolts of it.
asciilifeform: mats: can you believe, they took seriously the idea that process separation (which barely works in 'userland') could apply to device drivers!
allahisgreat2000: I'm trying to figure out if there could be a system to combine pool betting and livebetting/betting exchange
nubbins`: note how the weight is lower for each successive bet
nubbins`: allahisgreat2000: the earlier 5 BTC bet won ~0.7 BTC
allahisgreat2000: the weight depends on time?
nubbins`: because the weight was so low
nubbins`: that last bet put 8 BTC on the line, but only earned 0.2 BTC
nubbins`: a last-minute bet will take some of your winnings, yes, but they'd have to bet an enormous amount and get chump change in return
nubbins`: allahisgreat2000: early bets have higher weight and are therefore worth more.
mircea_popescu: allahisgreat2000 they get lower weight for betting later.
allahisgreat2000: what stops people from betting more when the results start getting obvious and ruining your bet?
mats: http://blog.wuntee.sexy/reaching-the-mach-layer << artifacts from a different era
asciilifeform: shakespeare suffers from the other problem of backups, much lamented by astronomy/physics folk crying over old pdp-8 tapes. that is, loss of reading mechanisms...)
nubbins`: i learned recently that shakespeare invented the name "jessica"
asciilifeform: what would we know of proper shakespeare then
mircea_popescu: right. worked splendidly for the literary cannon
asciilifeform: the only backup worth mention appears to be herr torvalds's 'put it on public ftp and have people give a damn and mirror'
mircea_popescu: fuck you then.
mircea_popescu: you can only has the things you choose.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you could make them out of plain glass.
asciilifeform: the '1000 years' thing is utter bunk
asciilifeform: but above the dye (or gold) is still plexiglas
asciilifeform: in very spiffy disks (taiyo yuden, afaik, is the -only- remaining maker) it is gold, instead.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: today, as 10 yrs ago, the basic tech is same. reflective layer, and above it, something that melts
nubbins`: they keep using phrases like "ETCHED IN STONE" and shit which sounds a bit much
nubbins`: from what i can glean from marketing hype, they use special dvd-rs and ramp up the laser strength to make "permanent" optical media
asciilifeform: (pogo itself used to come with 256, otherwise identical)
asciilifeform: on any of them.
asciilifeform: no more 1G ethernet or sata
nubbins`: until the next time some shit cloud device get liquidated
asciilifeform will be disappointed if they fly away. because there is not likely to be a reasonable substitute.
mircea_popescu: there's no point checking in between
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's scheduled for after the build's ready to go.
asciilifeform: speaking of - when's the last time anyone checked on the warehouse-full-of-pogos thing
mircea_popescu: There is no right not to be offended << this is broken, ftr. "there is no right TO not be offended"
asciilifeform wonders of which there are more - pogos, or msdos-able boxes
asciilifeform: but how about other folks.
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 01:20:23; mircea_popescu: alternatively we could just leave this be for now and focus on CLOSING things rather than opening new things before we closed anything.
mircea_popescu: yes. yes there was.
asciilifeform: was there a reason we didn't do this ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: were you the one who proposed an msdos port of bitcoind ?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: as for what it is doing, this fits in a paragraph - http://nosuchlabs.com/theory
nubbins` has laughably little hands-on experience with the nuts & bolts of this math
nubbins`: one of these days i'mma read up on exactly wtf phuctor is doing
asciilifeform: in other news,
nubbins`: http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/interview/there-is-no-right-not-to-be-offended/article3969404.ece
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, which is why i am still living there. (like to program embedded chips where this holds true)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is a lot to be said for this.
asciilifeform: 'freeze', then, as now, is when box no longer answers to keyboard
asciilifeform: proggy (esp. in the latter days, with 'protected mode' gamez etc) took over machine entirely
asciilifeform: dos wasn't really 'present' in the sense unix is
mircea_popescu: to everything i've seen since the 80s, i by a very fat large margin prefer msdos.
asciilifeform: as an msdos aficionado myself, i find the comparison to 'adult' os to be a rather odd one
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 19:42:15; ascii_field: ms-dos was not asked to do very much. at least, at first. but i still remember screwing with qemm, xms, etc. towards the last years.
nubbins`: that's ellen pao explaining why coontown wasn't one of the subreddits that got banned
mircea_popescu: a) it doesn't compile, so they prefer interpreted languages instead and b) it doesn't debug, so they prefer to write more instead.
asciilifeform waits for the reddit thread 'iama craigslist bitcoin robber, ask me anything'
gribble: Talking Heads - I Zimbra (HQ) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-RDJ4Z4XrQ>; I Zimbra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Zimbra>; Talking Heads - I Zimbra Lyrics | MetroLyrics: <http://www.metrolyrics.com/i-zimbra-lyrics-talking-heads.html>
mircea_popescu: the european woolen bison, slightly smaller.
nubbins`: is the singular of zimbrii "zimbra"?
mircea_popescu: (they were throught extinct after ww2. much like anything larger than a cat)
mircea_popescu: because they're everywhere.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` and the best part is, someone rolled their eyes and muttered "obviously" over this.
mircea_popescu: im so going to go on bison safari through the most powerful country in the world before long...
mircea_popescu: o god almighty, a whole generation of ignorant, poor twerps. running their own country.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> <mod6> mod6: Sir Grayhawk, I would like to use this recipe to craft a static apple pie. Sir Grayhawk: Let me traide you for this here Universe Schematic. << WUT ?! << 'twas a joke. the old one about how a programmer wanted to bake an apple pie but first has to invent a universe. 'cept in this one static bitcoind is the pie, and the universe is gentoo/uclibc/gcc/etc. :]
asciilifeform: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2010/01/geotrax-currency-tracker.jpg << from that bank robbery thread. i think i own one of these modems, l0l!
asciilifeform: i think the poor fella might be #b-a's very own 'asylum veteran'
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 07:56:37; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159166 <<< nah, that's not the conversation i was trying to have, just letting you both know so you don't assume i've wandered off
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160260 << i made the mistake of unbanning vexual because people complained forreasons i don't fathom, and then i made the mistake of upping random name.
mircea_popescu: the 99% is, basically, random apartments all over town
mircea_popescu: ah, no. that's the 1%
mircea_popescu: except they're no longer centralized and so less obvious
asciilifeform: but the denizens rotate in and out
asciilifeform: incidentally, there are still asylums, in a sese
mircea_popescu: other things "everyone in usa" is convinced of include the fact that their feelings matter.
asciilifeform wasn't there yet, did not see with own eyes
mircea_popescu: sounds like you got yourselves the best sort of friends after "she likes to fuck" : the clueless.
nubbins`: sell the old, working flash to me :D
nubbins`: nevermind that they've got two shirt presses and one of them can only do single-color prints because it has no flash.
nubbins`: in other shop news, i've got a lead on a new (to me) flash dryer from the shop i used to work part-time at
mircea_popescu: mostly off the sort of schmucks who either depend on or aim to depend on a "social worker" career
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that he let the loonies out is a fact. the proposition that this had any measurable effect is loonytalk
nubbins`: the only one w/ a SAG membership, anyway.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, he was the only qualified one.
nubbins`: i mean, they all are.
nubbins`: was he the actor?
asciilifeform: and others.
nubbins`: asciilifeform i think the usa is still dealing w/ that
asciilifeform: this is rather akin to the famous clusterfuck in usa circa '80s when reagan turned the psych ward folks loose
nubbins`: sources say i just gotta swap the red and black
nubbins`: anyway, this is a roundabout way of saying that i'm gonna be rewiring a DC motor for the first time today
mircea_popescu: the fucktards end up employed in productive activities
nubbins`: he built me a t-shirt oven that blasts cool air onto the sides of the shirts it's trying to cure.
nubbins`: seriously. exhaust fan pointed down into the oven.
mircea_popescu: the manufagturer ?
nubbins`: i ws connecting some ducting to the exhaust fan last fall and realized that the mfg installed the fucking fan upside-down
asciilifeform: in the schoolbook physics sense, surely.
mircea_popescu: "your honor, i only fuck preteens because the floor space is so expensive"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you could cut her in half, have a chunk curl up on either side.
nubbins`: and Dory actually launched herself at him, busting the screen out of the window, and chased him down the block
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'm not even a very tall fella, but the only orientation i can lie down in where legs do not go over the edge is diagonal (after pushing pet out)
nubbins`: so if you wanna lie sideways, your legs hang off the edge?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the floor space - is
nubbins`: we have a king size mattress. they're not THAT expensive :P
mircea_popescu: i imagine The Outside must look to a modern pet cat much like the same looks to a modern teenager.
nubbins`: i step through the front door to fetch her, and she's worriedly trotting around meowing at neighbouring windows, trying to figure out which house is hers
nubbins`: anecdote: Dory popped through the screen window yesterday
nubbins`: but they'll lose that urge after a couple weeks.
nubbins`: cats running away generally isn't a thing that happens, unless they're running from a new home to their previous one
asciilifeform: these were kept indoors
asciilifeform: i think they escaped
asciilifeform: they put out zoological traps but none sprang
asciilifeform: nubbins`: not clear where the beasties went
nubbins`: was this the neighbour who'd been broken into?