ben-of-the-casca: re eulora, dpb, ive found rocks and scratches mostly by looking for things further away than the bushes are rendering
asciilifeform an hour or so ago was reassembling 'model m', dried from wash, and noticed the very fine detail on the keys which prevents popping. good injection molding tech is needed to have these.
mircea_popescu: "it sucked because their keys kept jumping off and you'd lose the dumbass ballpointpen springs "
mircea_popescu: http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/cip3.jpg << and that's the 90s version. by then only the poor kids were still dicking around with z80s tho
asciilifeform: culprit, incidentally, is the scanned switching matrix, present in -all- pc keyboards.
asciilifeform: so the pcb eventually augers in, cracks
asciilifeform: ^ they make cheap copies using classical ibm drawings
asciilifeform: what keyboard mircea_popescu has, 'unicomp' ? i know of no other that has springs but can still be described as 'disposable'
mircea_popescu: they could pretend it's grenwich village 1963
mircea_popescu: they prolly come in discount packages with leika film cams
asciilifeform: interestingly, mechanical 'underwood'-style typewriters are beloved by american 'hipster writer' types. they are easy enough to find in junk stores
mircea_popescu takes out a key, looks at the spring, puts it back in
mircea_popescu: (significantly harder, ofcourse, but at the time most everyone was used to manual typewriters, which is maybe 10x the force anyone born after 1980 types with)
mircea_popescu: but the tim-s was decent, about on par with today's no name chinese kbd
mircea_popescu: the hc had a very retarded arrangement, where the straight rather than /-\ shaped keys caught, and so on.
mircea_popescu: they briefly used a "sealed flexible plastic sensor" bs, but got out of it within a year or so
asciilifeform: not obvious from the photo
mircea_popescu: the tim-s had a decent, steel spring actioned keyboard
asciilifeform: (the necessary only metallic part is the springs, quite identical to those found in pen)
asciilifeform: the profusion of absolutely abysmal keyboards in '80s sovblok micros always bewildered me. any country that knows how to make ballpoint pens could have copied ibm's keyboard
mircea_popescu: well minus the monitor and deck tape, which are random items
asciilifeform: mentioned in the cia thing (p. 43)
mircea_popescu: what was the name of that derpy french knownothing the english world went all gaga over earlier this year ?
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euergetism << check it out, poorly translated french shannonizer content, trying to misrepresent classical antiquity more in line with the modern idiocies.
asciilifeform: it is in the symbolics 3620 lisp machine, and works still.
asciilifeform: the 760mb 'micropolis' featured in this www is actually in my kitchen now.
asciilifeform: (how much of the -inside- was made overseas, i do not know)
asciilifeform: p. 6 of the report is hilariously mistaken. ussr produced perfectly adequate hdd for the period. we had one: http://www.retro-pc.net/musei/dd/hdd/index_ru.htm (scroll to middle past the japanese unit)
mircea_popescu: even if the payment was, like all payments, false.
mircea_popescu: anything but that. the chinese paid with slaves later on, and it took.
mircea_popescu: and the soviets were NOT prepared to pay with slaves.
mircea_popescu: in any shape or form the deal would have been a tech transfer, not an item sale.
asciilifeform: (american industrial folk knew that orcs would copy, but also knew that the copies would not appear on american market. so it was not an issue of patent rights)
asciilifeform: and the merchants, unsurprisingly, wanted to sell.
asciilifeform: the whole 'keep those orcs from getting modern tech' thing was intensely counter-economic from standpoint of u.s. chip makers, as ussr was prepared to pay with gold, plutonium, virgins, 100x the going rate
asciilifeform: http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0000500644.pdf << from horse's mouth. scan of ancient usg memo detailing 'omg111!!!111! they stole it all'
asciilifeform: or the hilariously complicated network of shill corps through which ussr purchased dec pdp and vax
asciilifeform: (see the japanese cnc mill case)
asciilifeform: and, incidentally, sov. engineers had no trouble 'missing what they don't have' and went to great lengths to get it
mircea_popescu: the reason "export controls" work is that idiots perceive themselves as ~equal to everyone else.
mircea_popescu: what, you think women pop out smart people now or something ? what is this, the spherical future ?
mircea_popescu: dude, i had to be the first one to show the concept of a map to random cairo cab driver.
mircea_popescu: that he's here makes the word meaningless
mircea_popescu: if his desperation of the world meant what it usually means, he'd be long gone.
asciilifeform: what i also don't get is, didn't any of these folks, in three generations of service to brit and then sov. empire, learn vernam ?
mircea_popescu: if he were not desperate ~of the world~ he would be pursuing a career.
mircea_popescu: recall the case of the british terrorist who used caesar cypher because "excel smarter than anything the gyauri could have invented" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently the prophet is said to have forbidden, by some twerps
asciilifeform: it blew me away that hearn openly expressed an interest in 'remote attestation' on the air.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i haven't a clue whether hearn is the actual author of the hearnias in question, or not. only that the particular boobytrap which he misrepresents as 'bitcoin' is a more subtle one.
asciilifeform: i somehow fail to grasp why this is so. did the prophet forbid the multiplication of large primes ?
asciilifeform: ditto for anyone who is reading 'their' communiques.
asciilifeform: so anyone who thinks he is writing them a letter, is writing to ft meade
asciilifeform: re: t3rr0r1sm!!111!!!1: for all the loud usg idiocy, the head-choppers have yet to chop a head, on camera, on top of a carpet with their gpg fingeprint embroidered on it
trinque: asciilifeform: your and other material has long since disabused me of the idea that I'll own a computer any time soon
trinque: the reddit post referencing hearn said "we could increase blocksize on xt in a week" 3 days gago
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 22:28:57; trinque: ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162814 << be aware, the thing isn't some paragon of good hygiene. (the nic, like all modern nics, has some hidden cpu; etc) but is the cleanest x86 i know of to still be in production
trinque: asciilifeform: the github repo says "this is so totally not about blocksize"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162802 << my understanding is that hearn is more clever than gavin, laid his traps such that they all spring at once when he pulls the switch (and emulates something like proper bitcoin until then)
mircea_popescu: minigame will always release a "reference client", but i'd frankly love for people to make their own.
mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw, the thinking minigame side is that if there's three or four independently maintained clients which each does its own thing that's perfect.
mike_c: yeah, i'll have to take another crack at compiling this thing
jurov: yes, if ~ then i'll do the irc stuff in py, too. but then have to bundle python in win32 package, too
mike_c: jurov: have you been able to write a python script that'll do something in the game?
mircea_popescu: who, notably, do not use money either. or yachts. etc.
mircea_popescu: people who use money are fundamentally different than the sort of bovines sturggling with us college education.
mircea_popescu: "anyone" is a particularly inept model. it presumes the world composed of imbecile 20somethings like one finds on reddit.
Bob32442: Maybe I should read the rest of it lol
Bob32442: hmm, I don't get the cap, why is it that it can't be removed?
mircea_popescu: wellthen.
trinque: ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses
shinohai: I'm good then. its running so meh
mircea_popescu: i see no problem with simply nullrouting all "xt nodes", and for that matter the general practice is to block any node that advertises a version different from your own.
shinohai: there are only a few hundred ip's if that
shinohai: is there anyone here that is a btc .conf wiz ?
mircea_popescu: and yes prolly the shader's involved because clipping and flicking
ascii_field: does the thing use shader /
mircea_popescu: i just said it happened on ubuntu to dispel the theory it'd be windows specific, it's not
mircea_popescu: it happens across the board, not just ubuntu
decimation: the probability that someone derps with ubuntu AND can find root causes of closed driver failures strikes me as low
ascii_field: see also the fpga threads.
mircea_popescu: for now i want the camel.
ascii_field: burn nvidia. (amd at least shows remorse, published gpu specs for a megatonne of cards, and ~no one has done anything with them~)
mircea_popescu: that's all i care to know : what portion of the spec is not implemented correctly.
ascii_field: the back end.
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:49:40; mircea_popescu: anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162751 << that is precisely what you're experiencing, but the source is not public.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation
ascii_field: any common factors between the unhappy cards ?
ascii_field: problem exists at the two remaining gpu makers.
ascii_field: so it pulls on the ropes.
mircea_popescu: opengl something or other, for sure.
trinque: to them
ascii_field: you can stuff generic kernel in there
mircea_popescu: there's nothing better than beingpriviledged.
mircea_popescu: wtf is with this bullshit. the only thing better than being privileged is being hm
mircea_popescu: all these social media derps saying "privilege" like it's a bad thing ?!
ascii_field: even brings the spi eeprom where bios is out to pin headers, for ease of reflashing/readback
ascii_field: (that is, nothing obviously and profanely turdalicious on them)
ascii_field: in as far as x86-64 goes, these boards are surprisingly good.
ascii_field: finds the onboard vga (with no output) even.
trinque: I see this as a box with which to connect to the wotnet, things like that
trinque: but what's the goal
ascii_field: (this is another reason why the shitgnomatic 'replacements' for x11 are nonsensical. if i can't get EXACT same experience through a net connection to the machine without idiocies like 'sharing desktop', the gui is WORHTLESS)
ascii_field: has 3 x 1G ethernet. can tunnel x11 out of it with no palpable delay
decimation: or use another computer for terminal
trinque: heh combine this guy with the terminal I think decimation picked up
ascii_field: (most frustrating thing is that the amd chip on this board ~has vga~ built in. but no amp on the pcb and no connector.)
ascii_field: (i tried the mpcie slots with various vga cards. no go.)
ascii_field: nor is there any obvious means to add one
trinque: if you want a machine that does exactly and only and none other than what's in some specification, lol
decimation: trinque: they are quiet
trinque: trinque | yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:26:36; trinque: mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build
trinque: decimation: I like these tiny cuboid cases
trinque: yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either
decimation: trinque: one idea is the 'hp microserver' gen 7
mircea_popescu: Do you hate slimfat people? I'm not visible fat if you see my with a shirt, but I'm out of shape when you see me without it, I have the hips of a woman.
mircea_popescu: trinque moreover, the value of an "approved hardware list" should be obvious.
decimation: agreed, since they can't explain what they actually do (see ascii's point), they gotta be all conspiratorial
mircea_popescu: decimation honestly, that particular mob reads a lot to me like the people claiming the "auto industry" is "supressing the water engine" trying to jump ship
trinque: mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << am i the only one thinking she's pretty hot ? << 8chan's non nick makes it hard to verify actual shitlords are posting
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162023 <<< that's super common along the hume highway (takes you from Sydney to Melbourne) and you'll find dead roos, wombats, birds etc etc strew along a 1000km road
mircea_popescu: https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << am i the only one thinking she's pretty hot ?
ascii_field: decimation: what the more clever hucksters are doing is to search for 'undergrazed' scams
decimation: ascii_field: if people could actually protein fold their way to cures it would have been done already
ascii_field: decimation: it is 10x as funny to be because i actually worked in pharma, doing precisely what the sc4mz0rz are claiming to do
mircea_popescu: copypaste you seriously want to open yet another dig ?
mircea_popescu: "Days earlier Imgur had begun purging images hosted on their site which had been linked to on /r/fatpeople hate."
BingoBoingo: Neither do I. It's all fucking voodoo
mircea_popescu: i dunno abouit these newfangled seo whatchamacallits.
mircea_popescu gazes upon the cvasi=monotonic s.mpoe evolution past few weeks.... nuts.
mircea_popescu: the unmistakable mark of youth.
ascii_field: i'd love to teach a platoon of #b-a folks to do what i do, either/or to become less killworthy or (more practically) to be replaced more quickly when finally killed.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely << if you want to get killed, splendid way to go about things.
ascii_field: mod6: it theoretically ought to work elsewhere. but it turned out that other linuxen ship with defective gcc.
mircea_popescu: mod6 well, he created it SOMEHOW. im not sure how far that preferred way goes, people get to drive a car their preferred way to ~some degree~.
mod6: isn't buildroot the thing that alf said must be used inside of gentoo?
decimation: but ascii has a point, this wouldn't work if everyone does not have the same hardware
trinque: if the livecd loads, if your own box doesn't, you fucked up.
trinque: none of this applies to booting the thing
mod6: are we talking about two different things here? let's leave the R.I. out of it for a minute. my assumption there is someone can indeed create a "buildroot" or w/e to then cross compile to whatever they want for the R.I.
ascii_field: some other fell has different vga - no go
mod6: <+decimation> why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86? << for the R.I. itself or gentoo?
ascii_field: decimation: because they are no longer readily available ?
ascii_field: mod6: the whole 'pc compatible platform' thing kinda fell apart
trinque: that thing's only purpose could be to dump you into a booted gentoo which you then follow instructions to configure
decimation: this card I linked is probably the closest 'industry' has
ascii_field: mod6: we ~did~ build own linux for the r.i.
trinque: mod6: sounds like livecd plus a finished version of my script there
mod6: i mean, we're basically trying to build our own linux here specifically for the R.I.
ascii_field: and i don't need the adc for anything
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does? << well, something like that. you pop-in LiveCD, follow The Foundation's ``Guide'' through the chroot process, using hardened uclibc, whatever packages we think are required to build the R.I.
decimation: it does meet your other specs though
ascii_field: useless then.
ascii_field: decimation: gotta love the 'full data sheet' without ANY programming info
mod6: so, anyway, i dunno. i guess that's just where I'm at. I'll keep working towards getting something going for myself. go from there I guess.
trinque: mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does?
ascii_field: decimation: where's the 100% open spec ?
decimation: ascii_field: what about these http://www.signatec.com/products/daq/high-speed-digitizer-pc-interfaces.html
mod6: my problem here, is ok, let's say that i get this far and then trinque generiously helps me get the rest of the way to it "working". but what about everyone else?
trinque: it wont reproduce my local set-up, but it sounds like the bar is merely "get a uclibc build env for bitcoind"
trinque: can fine-tune from there
trinque: that should at least clear the grub hurdle
ascii_field: decimation: the fuck'd i care, i'm in usa
ascii_field: but notice there is no how-to book, 'build church organ in 21 days'
ascii_field: and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely
ascii_field: the man who built it, is also part of it
ascii_field: what this means, in practice, is that a reasonable ( i won't say 'sane' because these do not exist presently ) computer system is not a machine, but a ~place~ - like a church organ
mod6: well, im afraid of that too. so what to do then? i hope I haven't just been wasting my time then.
ascii_field: mod6: ...working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way << i suspect that this is a nonstarter on account of the unavailability of sane hardware. see the thread where mircea_popescu installed gentoo and then threw it off a cliff
mod6: <+trinque> mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend << yup, this is true. and I haven't been able to try it out yet. i'm planning on trying out the steps that he deed'd tomorrow. the image is great, but the goal is to get to a working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way. so even if the image works, im not sure this is something to be used for anything else. he
mircea_popescu: there's a math approach to select good multiples.
ascii_field: the rng -must- be checked with scope
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the digital half is easier, given as most of the action takes place on the micro
decimation: there is no 'bespoke' in electronics
ascii_field: most likely don't even own a thesaurus, but simply read neal stephenson's novel 'diamond age.'
mircea_popescu: i like it when people doing digital bullshit speak of "bespoke". yeah, totally, it means something OTHER than "we want to be paid 10x what our shit's worth on the open market for no other reason than we feel so special and we got a bookmarked link to a thesaurus website"
mircea_popescu: looky, there's no argument here, i can follow what you're saying. this thing is not hard to make, is a requisite, should exist but does not. definitely it's a niche.
ascii_field: (and, often, the muscles)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field so the 1k transistors package can be future s.nsaproduct. time to move on eh ?
decimation: well, possibly because they are afraid someone will 'cut them out' of the user interface
ascii_field: motherfuckers i just want a piece of silicon that samples 16 lines at 1G/s and clocks out the bits to pci-e lanes.
ascii_field: decimation: as far as i can tell, they do not offer a logic analyzer with sane pc link
mod6: that's fair. gentoo might be the right move.
decimation: tektronix is #1 in oscopes, if they don't have something than probably nobody does
mircea_popescu: mod6 the problem is that most people don't have a lot of o-bsd experience. and i don't just mean most people here, but generally. hard to sell that thing as an "all purpose b-a basis of bases"
mod6: eh. i'm not sure yet. i'm getting to the point with this thing where i realize at least 1 thing: I don't have the technical experience in the context of gentoo to get us where we want to go in a timly fashion. My experience in gentoo has been for 6 weeks, never used it before that. Everything has been a struggle here, for me. Not that I can't do it all myself, but I feel like it's taking me waaay too long. Maybe I just had bad expectations as
trinque: it's just a matter of having the parts of a functioning linux install already in your head
ascii_field: even has the asinine 'ask for quote'
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:37; nubbins`: there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas
decimation: I told their sales guy that was a dumb idea
decimation: I think they might use winblows too
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162139 << fwiw this was my experience as well, but not sure whether this is because badly packaged or outright evil.
mod6: <+jurov> mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want. << ah, thanks for the tip.
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2015#1001114 << couple of 500mhz devices listed there, I wouldn't hope for much though
ascii_field: otherwise it's a turd
ascii_field: if 100MHz square wave - then it.
mircea_popescu: i doubt vice has that much readership, notwithstanding the count of clucking clickers clicking around.
decimation: heh that would barely fit on a gigabit ethernet with overhead
trinque: I look forward to the day when somebody makes their way inside NSA systems and starts dumping data from there.