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pete_dushenski: cazalla: lol i guess i'm one of those unreasonable assholes who doesn't understand how the world works
punkman: my favourite words from the ethereum transcript: "strategic visioning"
cazalla: they tried their best pete_dushenski, is that not good enough for you?!
assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQxmsc )
pete_dushenski: 1) gpg version omitted, 2) revocation certification auto-generated, 3) auto-encrypt drafts, 4) warning message for idiots like travis patron that they're about to send an unencrypted reply to an encrypted message
pete_dushenski: just looking at 'gpg suits 2015.06' update and it actually adds some sensible improvements to the default settings
jurov: ^ mentioning that, if you plan to use the key seriously, use 4096bit
pete_dushenski: and the machine you're using.
pete_dushenski: also depends on the size of the key you're generating
pete_dushenski: i haven't used the newest mac version, but it doesn't usually take that long
kalki: ok well I just subbed 2 special characters and then generated... it happened really fast... I thought it was supposed to take quite a bit of time but it appears to have generated in less than 5 seconds...?
pete_dushenski: not that you can't add a few symbols or make the second-last letter of every diceware word a capital if you so desire
pete_dushenski: it's designed to be 'user-friendly' for fiatheads who typically use the same password everywhere
pete_dushenski: kalki: don't worry too much about the 'advice' of the newest mac pgp client
funkenstein_: no prob :) I have only one, it's easier that way. But if you want another distinct identity you can make as many as you want.
kalki: funkenstein, the wiki says for WOT that I should generate a gpg if I dont already have one... so do folks typically use just one key? or is it smart to have a seperate one for WOT distinct from communication etc?
kalki: funkenstein, it is the latest mac client 2015.06
kalki: also, I am noticing that when I log in to #bitcoin-assets, just before it transports me to the room, it says at the bottom of the screen that this nickname is already taken and that I should verify ownership or something... I assume this means that I need to find a new nickname and that it is not talking about me just because I have been using it a couple months here..
kalki: thanks... ok so in attempting to set up my first gpg account, I am following the guide from contravex... so I am using the 5 dice coupled with the englich passphrase word list. So, I did 10 tosses, got the words, but then after entering, the gpg client tells me it is a weak pw as it contains no special characters. I read somewhere on Trilema not to change ANYTHING from what I get from the dice toss... so just seeking some soun
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163555 <<< how does this shit pass rego or do you not have yearly rego checks on the car?
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 17:52:56; danielpbarron: found this while researching why XCP went up 30% over the last few days
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163496 <<< it's still way off its highs of $8-9 when it claimed it could now do whatever ethereum is planning to do
jurov: and i wondered off the eulora server. event will take place after chetty fixes it.
mod6: i paid more for this pos then the damn car.
mod6: this pos box, i can hear the disk spining. "GRRRR GRRRR GRR GGRRRRRRR"
mod6: well, and that thing was a convert too.. so, obv less weight there.
danielpbarron: tea kettle's pin that the valve pivots on is loose and falling out
mod6: my old man had one of the 1983 mercedes 380SLs.. but yeah i don't think it weighed nearly as much as those bigger frame ones like yours (MP) or Pete D's.
danielpbarron: t-shirts have holes in them, iphone won't charge unless i rubber band the cable into the right position, etc..
danielpbarron: asciilifeform> what other kinds of broken everyday objects do you folks put up with ? << my (**picks up keyboard**) bicycle's breaks are shot and the gear shifter is sketchy
trinque: in the good old days, *you* were the crumple-zone
mod6: but that was back in the day where cars were still made with full steel frames. thing weighed 4000 lbs.
mod6: i once had an 1983 pontiac perrisan <sp> station wagon. it had 300`000 miles on it. got it for $750. it always made me laugh because when i shut it off, it would keep knocking for like ~20 seconds. then backfire super loud.
mod6: haha, man old worn leather does not hold up good. i know what you mean.
trinque: but then... dust
trinque: interior was leather at one point
mod6: the car we saw in .ar with the clubs, that's probably a $3 car. lol
trinque: making oil candles in there
mod6: i guess i did throw in a quart once. but that doesn't count. sob is probably dying to have the filter & oil changed.
mod6: i haven't changed the oil on this pos since i bought it. but then again, i've only put on like 2800 miles.
trinque: I still change my oil in the apt parking lot, but wouldn't bother with much more than that
mod6: that's about 75% of the battle yes. tools + place to work on the stuff.
trinque: pain in the ass to work on cars if you don't have the right garage setup to do it
mod6: my old man would be horrified that i don't fix the shit on my car. he was a "car guy". used to wrench on stuff, build his own racecars, was an expert mechanic.
mod6: but the idea here is that i put no $ into it, and when the wheels fall off, i'll pitch the keys on the seat and go find another.
mod6: (it's like -25 F sometimes here in the winter. try driving down the freeway with that!)
mod6: i have a $100 car that the drivers side window doesn't roll down, and the passenger side doesn't roll up. no rear view mirror (it fell off) and the side mirror is taped on with Ninja Turtle ductape.
asciilifeform: what other kinds of broken everyday objects do you folks put up with ?
mod6: <+danielpbarron> it's surprising how many sentences I can type without access to the letter 'b' but ultimately I end up needing it quite a bit (barron, bitcoin, bible) << reminds me of my broken 'O' key on my asus laptop these guys saw at c3. i still havent fixed it. haha.
asciilifeform: in other 'news,'
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: generally, i won't even keep a laptop in the house unless i have several 'organ donors' for it
danielpbarron is ok with occasionally reaching to the floor to press the 'b' key
trinque: danielpbarron: to the xmodmap with ye
kakobrekla: or just use 'lorrd', 'nonscamcoin', and 'the fairy tale' instead.
danielpbarron: it's surprising how many sentences I can type without access to the letter 'b' but ultimately I end up needing it quite a bit (barron, bitcoin, bible)
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1162961 << my laptop's b key has finally stopped working after years of the 'key' not actually being attached (the rubber bulb still worked)
mircea_popescu: the opinions about the Mysts of Mystery emitted by fans of the power rangers and co.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron "bitcoin hardliners" is becoming the #1 strawman. #shitlibertardssay
assbot: shitco.in | Life Is A Pump And Dump, Front Run The XCP Pump ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5NfK4 )
danielpbarron: found this while researching why XCP went up 30% over the last few days
assbot: kaykurokawa: Front running Decentralized Exchanges: The problem with Augur, Bitshares, Nxt, and Counterparty ... ( http://bit.ly/1QvEwaQ )
danielpbarron: http://kaykurokawa.blogspot.com/2015/06/front-running-decentralized-exchanges.html >> But they are wrong because a centralized exchange faces serious damage in its reputation and business if it is revealed that they are front running. Bitcoin hard liners will scoff at this idea but believe it or not, some systems work fine based on reputation and trust.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163199 << the limit is not the engine but the graphics work. so far realtively little of that done.
mircea_popescu: and obviously mike & gavincoin's dog and pony show have yet to address the fact that "hey, we are ehtereum 2.0, we have the support of "investors" and so on"
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 05:37:45; cazalla: looking like ethereum is imploding.. who could've known.. oh btw investors are now donors lol https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/ethereum-deputy-calls-investors-donors-in-leaked-skype-chat/
asciilifeform if knew how to program gurlz, would be doing it now, rather than writing a list of items to fetch from maths lib. before it closes for the night
asciilifeform: (iirc it was 'if i had read them, why would i park them in my shelf')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good question. do you remember what u. eco said when asked how many of the books in his library he has read ?
mircea_popescu: there's billions of them, and they are very educable.
asciilifeform wonders in what part of the world gurlz are into archaeohardware
mircea_popescu: it can be purely platonic, "you may touch the instruments" thing
asciilifeform: not like they take up much space.
asciilifeform: sometimes, literally (i'm getting a crate of east german z80 in the post a month or so from now)
mircea_popescu: i suppose a version of the above "make it now" is what drives your hoarding behaviour
mircea_popescu: i do expect the poor will stop having sewage.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ftr : i don't expect the electric grid will cease to exist.
asciilifeform: the 'unlikely in the future' thing is why i view the present situation as a dire one. at present, 'we' don't have access to any of these things.
mircea_popescu: because it's unlikely you'll be able to in the future.
mircea_popescu: if you need anything that has to be made on something in the middle, make it now.
mircea_popescu: it is perhaps the last diamond train to do so.
asciilifeform: better example of 'middle'. my local uni has a 1980s-style ic fab. just sitting there.
asciilifeform: most practical work in experimental-anything actually happens on the 'middle' (as in, 'more than a car, less than a house' (tm) machinery)
mircea_popescu: and there's likely going ot be 0 of the middle.
mircea_popescu: thgere's going to be one of the latter and an infinity of the former.
mircea_popescu: research either happens on 500 dollar 3d printers, or else on 500 trillion hadron colliders
mircea_popescu: the middle of electron microscopes is thinning out.
asciilifeform: nor, for fundamental physical reasons, is there likely to be
asciilifeform: there is ~no~ 'common man's' electron microscope
mircea_popescu: you will notice that the capital base of the oldmodel is dying into irreelvancy
asciilifeform: this is not a defense of the 'old model', but merely pointing out that 1) it is dead, yes 2) we have no replacement for it, not even in the sense that a horse can replace a broken-down motorcycle
asciilifeform: this is how it is done today. and the chum 100% works in academitardia.
mircea_popescu: and they do it or not and there you go.
mircea_popescu: like, you knock off to decimation and two friends over gossipd "can you ploxpoint your microtelescope at the x y z and send me the dump ?"
asciilifeform: we don't actually have a replacement for the former, to pick off the shelf and screw in.
asciilifeform: and the kidz camp
asciilifeform: the adult camp, where various (presently, usg-ized to the point of utter inefficacy) folks play with electron microscope, etc
mircea_popescu: so no, i don't see any sort of future for that model, which is EXACTLY why i pointed out to tim whatshisname that either he gets with the program or he goes live in the sewer.
mircea_popescu: but that said, the wot model does dispense with most of the previous advantages of university
mircea_popescu: well think, they can afford to fly.
asciilifeform: the non-retarded can fuck over telegraph ?
mircea_popescu: university is important because the close physical proximity is a requisite for fucking in retards, and students are yet retarded
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2014 00:11:01; mircea_popescu: After seven years of the new regime, I had the opportunity to compare the class of 1999 with the class of 1992. In 1992 I set an course in Artificial Intelligence requiring students to solve six exercises, including building a Prolog interpreter. In 1999, six exercises had shrunk to one; which was a 12 line Prolog program for which eight weeks were allotted for students to write it. A special class
asciilifeform: sorta reminds me of how i, as a boy, saw a brass band, and asked my father why they don't simply connect a compressor to the tuba and avoid the strain. and answered 'from this, just one step to dispensing with the tubist entirely'. and hence just the same here, from this just one small step to asking 'why even do this university thing'
mircea_popescu: usually known as "course material", ie, "these few pageswhich if you read, you should be able to answer anything"
mircea_popescu: specifically that it is not merely cheating to be given in advance the questions which will constitute the exam (which, to my undying amazement, i found out is by now actually standard practice in the us), but even to be given any sort of selected reading material that contains a larger density of answers than the average for the entire world text.
mircea_popescu: to be perfectly fair, in the same session i also explained my view on cheating on university examinations,
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 21:29:47; asciilifeform: the idea in the article can (and has) been rephrased like this. if you remove all the 'suggestively-named strings' like 'understand' - and replace with 'gensyms' - e.g., 100324 - does the resulting machine still do or even appear to do anything of interest?
danielpbarron: >> This is in large part due to a nostalgia for the Bitcoin of the past. As Bitcoin grows, we cannot guarantee which parts of the accidental benefits will still be present. However, the fundamental properties must remain. Without it, Bitcoin offers nothing that isn't already offered.
mircea_popescu: Essentially, “Megablock Bitcoin” will be exactly like the Apple App Store. <<< mmmm yeah.
danielpbarron: >> Ultimately this is yet another reason why Bitcoin is not money; it is something that is collectively controlled by consensus, unlike money which is accepted by consensus. In any new definition of money there should be a clause saying that its nature is independent of anyone's opinion or act.
Naphex: btw, i'm hiring angular/javascript coders for the frontend. if anyone interested shoot me a /m \
assbot: The Bitcoin Gauntlet — Bitcoin Think — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPOCxN )
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron bingoboingo an' any other b-a single gentlemen - if you want to try this out ima give you a bitcent to tip the chciks and then you can pester naphex with how broken it is. dump addies.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: the first link went in pause try the browse channel
mircea_popescu: Naphex well everything loads but no video plays, dunno if there was supposed to play anything
fluffypony: but then...you know...JavaScript
mircea_popescu: fluffypony do not hate me because i am lithe!
Naphex: mircea_popescu: javascript and flash required so fire up the lowly ones:P
Naphex: but there we go
mircea_popescu: if they don't mind it yellow.
kakobrekla: so the SEC will get sec wine, no problemos.
mircea_popescu: it becomes more and more sec as the time goes by
menahem: it's well on its way, from what i gather.
kakobrekla: how long does the bottle last anyway?
asciilifeform: gotta go to victory soon, then, eh
mircea_popescu: eh you should drink it. for one thing, there's more for victory, and for another bottled champagne doens't keep forever.
asciilifeform: convo with pet: 'her: why have you not opened mircea_popescu's champagne? me: it is for victory. her: and if you are defeated: me: enemy can drink it then'
menahem: in other words, you've mentally hard wired protections for yourself ?
asciilifeform: (re: anatomical variations and consequences thereof. based on thousands of hours of 'wild' pr0n from various nations)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah because the receptacle appears rigid. girls pee at many angles.
mircea_popescu: and i intend to withdraw long before advanced age makes the crown too heavy to carry. i have a fucking life to live outside of public service.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only suspected from the geometry. it's more or less exactly like i imagined it would look like.
menahem: ya, I have. mostly I guess in the event of physical illness.. an heir of sorts ?
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 05:49:56; mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the ultimate girl toilet, what is all this "lift the seat, lower the seat" bs.
asciilifeform: object sorta resembled the hypothetical device from old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#896738
mircea_popescu: oh, in the event it ~tries~ ?
menahem: hey mircea_popescu, what is your backup plan? in the event someone like the USG ..tries.. to pwn you? mpex, coins, etc?
asciilifeform: like the famous rats of stalingrad, which chewed through delicious electrical cables, taking out tank turret rotators
asciilifeform: every car owner knows of animals 'preyed on' by the machines, but not always about the... revenge. there are beasts here, for instance (iirc groundhogs) which will chew through brake lines and coolant hoses
asciilifeform: anything notable about the marriage ?
mircea_popescu: i'd like a brother like that.
asciilifeform: ^ this is a known problem in this part of the world. once there was even a colony infesting side mirror of my brother's car. it was actually nifty, he could pull the mirror adjustment joystick and release swarm at passing cyclists
asciilifeform: no idea what others. but the wasps are audible.
asciilifeform: in other news, there are giant wasps living in one of my walls.
mircea_popescu: not more than you blamed the bag makers, at any rate
asciilifeform: not sure what 'skinned' is then
asciilifeform: there are knobs but, iirc, turning them risks data loss.
mircea_popescu: so then does it have a knob
asciilifeform: plus i'd have to persist the thing -somehow-
kakobrekla: would moving the file to ramdisk make a diff?
asciilifeform didn't blame the bag-makers
mircea_popescu: i don't think the bag makers can be blamed for this one
asciilifeform: 'all database connections sharing the in-memory database need to be in the same process.' << from docs.
mircea_popescu: just set the db to ram, it has a switch
asciilifeform: but doing just about any of this would blow up the complexity of the thing 50x.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dja eat the 24g or whatever it had for teh maths ? or can spare the 4g ?
kakobrekla: or dunno, dance with the devil and take the ssd :)
asciilifeform: though i'm seeing conflicting info re: optimal size for these
kakobrekla: whats the current size of sqlite db?
asciilifeform: just the overall size of the data set
mircea_popescu: any idea what causes it ? the lengthy P ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apparently rewrite using something other than sqlite seems inevitable. db is getting abominably slow.
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 05:37:45; cazalla: looking like ethereum is imploding.. who could've known.. oh btw investors are now donors lol https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/ethereum-deputy-calls-investors-donors-in-leaked-skype-chat/
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 18:55:43; ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156199 << -if- you know how. otherwise it's a waste of precious and entirely nonrenewable resource (model m)
Vexual: do the girls dress fancy?
Vexual: shit, ive heard the name, i never knew they fancied themselves as bankers
assbot: The Shanxi Banks ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQauuv )
Vexual: just dont confuse the maps
Vexual: whats the difference?
punkman: gotta say the CryEngine looks nice
assbot: The Game | Umbra ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQR829 )
Vexual: theres a jap demo for that
Vexual: the r headset thing
Vexual: i heard about screenshots, but now that the logs are a 4 drink minimum, i missed em
Vexual: it definately want ready then
punkman: there are binaries built already, you'll need to gpg for an account though
Vexual: fluffypony: you should see the roo aside the road that flexes as though it might jump
assbot: Memo to Ethereum Foundation Council: impudence begins with calling your investors “donors” | StandardCrypto ... ( http://bit.ly/1eau47L )
cazalla: looking like ethereum is imploding.. who could've known.. oh btw investors are now donors lol https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/ethereum-deputy-calls-investors-donors-in-leaked-skype-chat/
asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/Symbolics3600Keyboard.png << typical keyboard of the period. reversed (laboriously) by yours truly.
decimation: the 'model f' I linked appears to have 'meta' key
asciilifeform: all keyboards have 'serial' output, one way or another
asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Huge-IBM-5251-Mechanical-Beam-Spring-Keyboard-CLICKY-Display-Terminal-UK-/151686841869 << exists also on ebay. looks quite like the older of my two lispm keyboards (which did not click)
asciilifeform: and (this is not stated, but i hypothesize) rf-quiet
asciilifeform: theoretically - eternal
asciilifeform: the linked www is about an earlier-still keyboard, which used capacitance-based switches
asciilifeform: (the one it shipped with did not emit 'break' codes)
decimation: aha it talks about them
decimation: asciilifeform: interesting the 'me.com' and 'mac.com'
decimation: the natives have the same racket here, and also in canada
cazalla: but even if you're 1/8 abo, you can claim extra assistance from the government, so according to the census there are more abos than ever before
decimation: no, I think mircea meant the people who are willing to trade hard assets to the chinese in exchange for paper and promises
cazalla: meh, they aren't really any abos left anyway, they are all half bloods at best
mircea_popescu: same thing we called the papuans or w/e
cazalla: yeah, bow and arrow ban in the pipeline too
decimation: mircea_popescu: how do you think they will be described by chinese historians 1000 years from now?
decimation: heh oh yeah I forgot they took yer guns too
cazalla: birds might be easier tbh plus the abo word for budgerigar is good eating
cazalla: decimation, aussies like their meat, pet food or not
decimation: yeah if they aren't already
cazalla: so i imagine those people with mortgages will soon eat chum (dog food) if they are not already
cazalla: i'd like to think it will end soon as i don't see how people can be squeezed any further at this point but asciilifeform reminded me that there is still much fat left to be trimmed
cazalla: yeah, they can buy citizenship here too for 5 million so those clever chinese were giving the AU gov 5 million, borrowing the 5 million back from some chinese lender and then using that to buy 5 million in property once they got here
decimation: yeah I agree with mircea, it sounds to me that the chinese have bid australia to the moon
cazalla: you can go cheaper - abandoned mining towns - but then you have to deal with fucked up water and environment
decimation: cazalla: yeah I guess my point is that they could start a new city there
cazalla: decimation, and rural.. as in the middle of nowhere, you are still paying more (100k-200k) than american suburbs
mircea_popescu: they have literally infinite USD
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 02:50:34; decimation: where does all this money come from? is it because people bid up AU$ because of the raw materials?
cazalla: decimation, ah but there is no work in rural australia and if you are on welfare and move from an area of high employment to one of high unemployment, you get cut off
danielpbarron: speaking of which, is the leaky treebark flask design supposed to be blank?
decimation: cazalla: I guess the most rational response would be to coordinate groups of people to move away from the dense cities and start new living areas
cazalla: decimation, here it is almost like every generation has to work twice as much for half of what their parents had
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 02:30:18; danielpbarron: in the future, someone can specialize each step of production
decimation: in the us the effect is worsened by the fact that near most major us cities you need to have dual incomes to 'earn' a spot in a decent school
cazalla: i don't even know why they do it tbh
decimation: there's no fixed supply of dollars, so more people working just means more cost
decimation: yeah that's how it is in most of the us today too
cazalla: today you need both parents working full time with no kids or if you have kids, 1 or 2 at most put into childcare so the mother can pay half her wage for someone else to look after her kids while her other half goes on the mortgage
cazalla: decimation, yeah most people are slaves.. 30 years ago it was possible for the average sole income working father, stay at home mum to buy a 1/4 acre block in the suburbs and raise 2-3 kids
decimation: wouldn't such a couple then be poor if they took such a 'deal'?
cazalla: quick look then shows working couple who earn 50k each can borrow almost 700k
decimation: they've clamped down on lending in the us
decimation: where does all this money come from? is it because people bid up AU$ because of the raw materials?
cazalla: decimation, at least the shit homes are somewhat cheaper there.. here you pay a cool million for place with no front/back yard made of straw
decimation: cazalla: I thought only the us built shit homes
cazalla: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/australian-houses-are-just-glorified-tents-in-winter-20150610-ghj2ox TLDR more people die from cold in australian due to shitty homes than the hot summers we're known for
decimation: usg's breach is significant - they lose personal information on people whom usg asks to keep secrets
danielpbarron: and then you can have left-click right-click and shift-click drop varying amounts
danielpbarron: for example, when clicking a stack of items > 1, it should just pick up the whole thing by default
danielpbarron: is it possible to make the inventory interface more like that of minecraft?
danielpbarron: and I upvote the named keys idea
danielpbarron: in the future, someone can specialize each step of production
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162834 << yeah, all the different mechanics were a bit overwhelming at first. Starting to coalesce in my mind
assbot: Chinese hack compromised security-clearance database - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia1Kd0 )
mod6: everyone else is at the club, making it rain
mod6: im the only guy in eulora right now
ben-of-the-casca: well then
danielpbarron: my laptop overheats and the game goes at 3 fps but that doesn't really effect game play yet
ben-of-the-casca: i can see markers and items - but theyre just black
ben-of-the-casca: the renderings so fucked in my machine
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