menahem: 1/2 way, but garzik increasing the block size
decimation off to the mines
pete_dushenski: TheNewDeal: but if muggles can afford the debt and "everyone else is doing it"... hardly seems like a problem worth the bother
decimation: "Other experiments were performed with different animals with similar results. In all cases, the strongest predictor of a depressive response was lack of control over the aversive stimulus."
pete_dushenski: decimation: and why shouldn't they ? there's clearly no future for them, despite their panglossian pretenses of "first, best, largest ever"
TheNewDeal: except for the making monopoly money via treasuries
TheNewDeal: so basically it's something they should comprehend easily
TheNewDeal: because every muggle is basically in debt up to their necks
decimation: the best I can tell usian muggles exhibit 'learned helplessness' that moldbug writes about
pete_dushenski: TheNewDeal: you are ?
pete_dushenski: the band-aid will be ripped off.
pete_dushenski: if they have to print to survive at 1%, for sure 10% will sting.
decimation: one obvious 'sword of Damocles' hanging over usg is the enormous dollar debt at very low interest
pete_dushenski: decimation: if you're financially exposed to benefit from 'the event', as we all are, then it's a matter of how long can we be patient
pete_dushenski: TheNewDeal: nothing if you want to be a street urchin.
pete_dushenski: other than that...
pete_dushenski: how long is kinda interesting in the sense of "how much time does that give us to stockpile useable computing hardware"
decimation: and the most obvious 'sovereign risk' for usg
decimation: the question of how long the dollar can 'levitate' as the world's reserve is an interesting one
pete_dushenski: but dun worry because the money is coming
pete_dushenski: you see they both have a lottery ticket that they're still waiting to hear back from the corporate board on
pete_dushenski: decimation: i'm supposing he will print 'in the crux' and that no one will take him anymore seriously than the streetwalker wearing 15 hats stacked one on top of the other
decimation: are you supposing that in the crux he won't print?
pete_dushenski: the man who can print money is perfectly capable of being a credit risk
decimation: the man who can print money is not a credit risk, he's a risk for something else
decimation: the question is just how much usd it needs to magic into existence
pete_dushenski goes to tap in the mines for qntra
mircea_popescu: they might get it
mircea_popescu: the chinese have been workingon animmortality pill for 3`000 years
pete_dushenski: he'll beat you to the grave, fear not.
pete_dushenski: in the short-term
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski hard to price the sovereign risk for russia tho
pete_dushenski: not quite as juicy as the government bonds, but exposure to russian corporate bonds looks decently lucrative compared to western offerings
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Want to write up BTCGuild? I'm working on another social media failure story
pete_dushenski: really takes a dent out of their "popular support"
pete_dushenski: sucks when they grow up eh.
mircea_popescu: just like the "community" of high voltage wire lickers, or "transsexuals" or what have you may only exist for as long as it's entirely made of either fresh idiots or the trolls that bait them
mircea_popescu: the thing the "community" prefers to ignore is that its continued existence is fully predicated on it being made 80% of people who are not older than six months and don't intend to be.
pete_dushenski: looks like they're down to only 3% of hashrate
pete_dushenski: well good riddance to another scab.
mircea_popescu: yes, them.
pete_dushenski: aha them.
mircea_popescu: the original mike hearn induced hard fork.
mircea_popescu: which is, incidentally, why any discussion with the devil may only logically start with a full and unwavering declaration from the devil that it is talking to ~the incorruptible~. ie, outside of its jurisdiction, they whose "corruptness" may not be judged by it.
mircea_popescu: obama also "might" be corrupt. nixon "actually was" corrupt. the difference between these is left as an exercise, but not to the reader of history. it's strictly an exercise to the writer of history.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense "cuomo might be corrupt". they... they just haven't figured it out yet lolz.
mircea_popescu: ie, exactly as you point out, "the devil is not interested in lies, but in liars". so it is. with the caveat that it is not interested in THE TRUTH of anyone's being a liar, but in the useful political lie of anyone having been a liar.
mircea_popescu: , the guy's action to disclose was "reasonable", and your approach only works if you're there as an envoy of the most serene republic or the republic of china, and they are actually afraid that if they misbehave their children are going to be used as ingredients in someone's supper.
assbot: Logged on 16-06-2015 01:38:53; assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 21:22:20; asciilifeform: speaking of 'sf-86' form, does anyone else consider such things a peculiar anachronism? it isn't as if usg did not already have 100% of everything in that thing in some db or other
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164751 << i think you broadly miss the point there. it doesn't matter what it ACTUALLY asks. what matters is that once you sign and serve it, they will pretend it had asked whatever it is they wish it were the case it had asked at any later point, which is how "it doesn't ask about fucktoys" turned into "paetreus broke the law by visiting a local socialite!11". so in this
jurov: https://blockchain.info/address/1CoinBr662GWdiqVz8mXJUnYjWZbBchKAb lol the "public note" (and no, CoinBr will not double your coins)
ben_vulpes: everyone goes home politely but the vagrants
ben_vulpes: nah, lights on the tennis court turn out at ten
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: just because they have in-house talent wouldn't exclude the possibility of pissing money away on other shit too
decimation: well, the job of usg is to spend money
asciilifeform: i don't presently believe that nsa hired cryptographers for any purpose other than to take them out of circulation.
decimation: ironically, if the NSA heckler is correct about the real-world pressure, such jingoism would be a disqualifier
decimation: "Apparently the availability of money from NSA had had a corrupting effect on some mathemati- cians, who started to think in nationalistic and jingoistic terms so that they could write their proposal in a way that they thought would appeal to NSA."
asciilifeform: picture if the usg cocksuckers were discovered and removed.
decimation: in one of his papers koblitz complains that the only thing 'cryptographers' care about is finding nifty new one-way functions
asciilifeform: all you gotta do is be the right usg catamite.
asciilifeform: in the 'real world', 'your cryptography fails' sometimes leads to fat bribes in the form of business-as-usual from usg masters.
asciilifeform: decimation: yet another illustration of 'q: how do you know usg stooge is lying? a: his lips are moving'
decimation: beware the academics baring 'ideas'
decimation: "Once I heard a speaker from NSA complain about university researchers who are cavalier about proposing untested cryptosystems. He pointed out that in the real world if your cryptography fails, you lose a million dollars or your secret agent gets killed. In academia, if you write about a cryptosystem and then a few months later find a way to break it, you've got two new papers to add to your résumé!"
decimation: it's a good paper about the pointlessness of provability in crypto
decimation: my point being, he picked his tools, stuck with them
Adlai: so? i'll copypaste the navyseals copypasta, doesn't mean i know how to triforce
decimation: the man knew cpp-boost-mfc-ese
decimation: as ascii said, they probably use winblows because that's what they sell at the computer store
Adlai: his using msvc was just like writing the note with your non-dominant hand
decimation: actually, what it says to me is that the alternatives are dead
mod6: staggers the imagination
mod6: other man creates a crypto-currency, uses windows and MFC.
Adlai: "a king has his reign and then he dies"
decimation: maybe next week he will be complaining about the damn mailman
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164780 << would be interesting to broadcast custom message to these folks.
assbot: Logged on 16-06-2015 03:18:14; Adlai: isn't the primary purpose of a jew the production of more jews?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164775 << and that's another thing from the long list of 'jew things' that i have no truck with
Adlai: he has since moved up in life, last i heard he cancelled a return ticket from the west coast to stick around and carve surfeboards
ben_vulpes: i think these are straight up radio
ben_vulpes: this was less eerie two nights ago at 1 in the morning.
ben_vulpes: many many people with headphones dancing to music only they can hear
assbot: Logged on 16-06-2015 02:24:53; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> that sounds pretty jewish << he's probably the most jewish jew in here - endlessly pessimistic about everything, everything costs $maxint, gurls are unreadable, and practically a talmudic scholar to boot
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> that sounds pretty jewish << he's probably the most jewish jew in here - endlessly pessimistic about everything, everything costs $maxint, gurls are unreadable, and practically a talmudic scholar to boot
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> when an otherwise smart guy is too stupid to get out of the rain. << or insists, operating under a complete lack of evidence that "it can't possibly keep going on like this much longer!"
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> how is "working undercover" what you do when you << couldn't possibly be real. lulzy satire of the state of the state tho
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2014 04:09:34; asciilifeform: if you (org.) want to keep secrets, the menu is roughly: a) employ incorruptible fanatics b) keep all henchmen incommunicado, in 'шарашка' prisons c) there is no 'c.' tertium non datur.
decimation: it seems that most of the 'security apparatus' of usg is geared toward catching dumb or incompetent spies
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 21:22:20; asciilifeform: speaking of 'sf-86' form, does anyone else consider such things a peculiar anachronism? it isn't as if usg did not already have 100% of everything in that thing in some db or other
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164722 < it's a good question. in fact, a careful reading of the form is interesting not for the stupid questions it asks but the large gaps it doesn't ask about
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo of course, the truly ridiculous thing in that inept flailing of two different groups of idiots with 100 BTC in the middle is the proposition that btc-e stealing user funds is "what any legitimate busines would have done".
asciilifeform: ditto the tax collectors
asciilifeform: (btw the answer, at least partially, for 'why they don't consult the files' is that what the inquisitors are mainly interested in is ~liars~ rather than the facts)
asciilifeform: (literally! read the thing)
asciilifeform: what remains after these are subtracted is some very wooden 'list the terrorist orgs you have been a member in, and why' verbiage
trinque: ~or~ why doesn't the NSA file my taxes?
asciilifeform: speaking of 'sf-86' form, does anyone else consider such things a peculiar anachronism? it isn't as if usg did not already have 100% of everything in that thing in some db or other
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164712 << know that almost all folks paid by usg fill out no forms like these.
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:26:58; pete_dushenski: "Management “wanted a creative building MMO [massively multiplayer online-game] with a promise of zero penises seen,” tweeted Megan Fox, a developer who worked on the project,"
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:14:35; pete_dushenski: turns out that when you spill the beans to a piece of paper in a drawer, someone can go in and read that piece of paper !
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164358 << more importantly, turns out that when you work for the usg, you sign your own prison sentence / death warrant.
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:13:45; pete_dushenski: ""It's kind of scary that somebody could know that much about us," said a former senior U.S. diplomat, pointing out the ability to use such data to impersonate an American official online, obtain passwords and plunder bank accounts."
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 09:39:44; cazalla: i had another sober weekend so half way there to a sober month of June
mircea_popescu: so basically... a lot of "different people" who are actually all the same guy compose a community which spent years accusing me of being hanbot ?
mircea_popescu: mno, more like, "well... you are aware the alternative would have been being eaten by cannibals right ???"
trinque: "Hm... alright bring in the next one!"
trinque: "You can do it!" "Manifest your destiny, brother!"
mircea_popescu: i'm just the man to do that, too. so yeah, i will.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> stepping out of the idiotology << what does this consist of in practice ?
asciilifeform: trinque: 'can in aggregate' like the chinese can jump and create earthquake, yes
asciilifeform: decimation: last i checked, there is not a button on my desk that cancels usg
trinque: eh they can in aggregate, just don't know it
mircea_popescu: stepping out of the idiotology.
asciilifeform: trinque: even this is beyond the abilities of most
decimation: asciilifeform: what's the alternative? gentle bandits? usg with 'reform'?
mircea_popescu: "would you like the beatings here or to be run over by a bus ???"
mircea_popescu: as such it is misstated, in the manner owners of slavegirls misstate the world to the slavegirls.
asciilifeform: but the question is normally a kind of hypothetical, 'would you like usg or the orcs with pitchforks'
decimation: or 'post-monarchial non-state' as the case may be
asciilifeform: to paraphrase mr rumsfeld, 'you get raped by the state you have, not the state you wish you had'
mircea_popescu: the junkie with fifty pounds of pure heroin stashed away isn't going out in the streets either.
mircea_popescu: works fine for as long as they're happy with it
mircea_popescu: well, partly that, partly "there's no longer the state here to clean out x y z and make it livable for K M N so Q W R win out"
asciilifeform: sorta like the dynamics of ecosystem of criminals after, rather than before, demise of mega-state
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, because now it is a contest of who can eat the meat faster, rather than who can evade immune mechanism
mircea_popescu: which is to say : interacting microorganisms sorta repress each other, all the time. but in imunocompromised patient, DIFFERENT set has the upper hand
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, in aids patients virulence does not follow the usual curves.
asciilifeform: like the oddball flora which infest aids patient
trinque: "There is an ultimate power you can know and derive knowledge from directly, and his son absolved you of every mistake you could ever make." << fucking mind virus
mircea_popescu: (and yes as alf points out, the "broken presumptions" are always faces of the same demon. "people are equal", his proper name)
decimation: if you read the old testament, most of the people who became prophets were hit upside the head by God and told what to do, they weren't bureaucrats receiving their sinecures
mircea_popescu: christianity is one of them.
mircea_popescu: some institutions are necessarily going to fuck up because they proceed from broken presumptions.
decimation: people are fundamentally evil and so are their institutions
mircea_popescu: but the church is funfamentally good amirite? just it was misimplemented in practice.
decimation: more like, they became closet atheists and decided to use the church as a propaganda organ
mircea_popescu: decimation oh, comrade stalin betrayed the sacred ideals ?
mircea_popescu: christianity ended up creating on earht the hell it was going to save people from
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no dispute that the state creates that place it supposedly defends you from.
mircea_popescu: in the european cultural discourse it ended up as a bit of editorializing by people without a daily mail, looking to illustrate the idiocy they read in some book.
asciilifeform: most pedestrians, at most times, are able to stay out of under the bus.
decimation: ascii could also ride a nearby train in a certain direction and be the only member of his race aboard
mircea_popescu: not so observable. antrhopologically speaking, the behaviour in question is beyond rare.
mircea_popescu: guess the place it came from
mircea_popescu: came from the same place, too.
asciilifeform: nothing theological about it
mircea_popescu: yeah. what you don't know is that the concept of "cannibals" is alike the concept that "niggers are by nature made to be slaves"
asciilifeform: imho this deserves a little elaboration, if there is 'space in this margin'
mircea_popescu: they just discuss it in those tersm, inappropriately.
asciilifeform: nah they're just interested in earthly life past next tuesday
mircea_popescu: i am not responsible for the subjective delusion of inquirers.
mircea_popescu: might as well ask "what in your cosmography, maps the thing that ensures my eternal life past the pearly gates"
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 19:21:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164136 << the question is misstated in that it assumes an alternative is needed. "what is the alternative to bell bottoms???".
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164495 << no one actually asks 'what is the alternative to state.' what they are really asking is 'what, in your cosmography, is to be the means whereby i get fed, roofed, and far away from bloodthirsty cannibals like before ?' and if the answer is 'you don't, fuck you, biodiesel' don't expect a 'thank you' from the interlocutor
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: yes working out the LSD kinks
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the -89 in production for the past 7 or so years is a steaming pile of shit
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: how did you come to the notion that a closed turd of a platform such as 'raspberry' is a good starting point for learning programming ?
ag3nt_zer0: Trinque, well some basic programming would be a good place to start I think... a more fundamental understanding of the history of the cypherpunk movement, encrytion fundamentals, etc, anything that will allow me to be something more than a slave
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 04:14:07; decimation: trinque: note that many people would replace orthodox Christianity with some kind of warmed-over socialism, that doesn't make their socialism Christianity (as loudly as they might protest otherwise)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164216 << the difference between jewish religion and communism is slight. the pretense christianity is anything but an (intellectually lesser) jewish sect is ridoinculous. and so here we go.
decimation: how would the iroquis mint chips? how would they arrange for more than 5000 humans per sq mile?
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 19:22:29; mircea_popescu: if the state went away tomorrow nobody'd even notice.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164500 << not quite. in unstable 'racial yugoslavias' like usa, 'state' is the apex predator. if it goes to sleep for just one day - the place burns
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's nature the dead animals don't last long before other animals see the phree protein
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: look for the dead animals ?
ag3nt_zer0: So I got a raspberry pi and am hoping that noodling around with this device will correct some of these fundamental misunderstanding I have...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course, but what is one to do when they first encounter berries in the wilderness?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not quite. all the 'bad choices' are really many faces of one god, upon the most casual examination
asciilifeform: what's with the folks who 'need' the automated email-pgp things? are they still using 2-button mice ?
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 you'd be the first one here to use it.
ag3nt_zer0: ok, thanks for the help guys, and please forgive the derpage, but I suppose this means do not use something like the enigmail add-on?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164195 << no, obama's daughters have signed up to suck my cock when they were born. i signed nothing.
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 the fewer things involved, the less available to break. and yes, what he said.
BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: Just encrypt and then paste into a mail client
mircea_popescu: this, of course, is still uncharted territory in the mental map of the fifth millenium.
mircea_popescu: whenever you see a cripple walking on a crutch, it's a good idea to think the crutch as compensation for HIS shortcoming, not yours.
mircea_popescu: anyway, malcom x correctly identified "the state is this thing which fucks us over", but he thought it's about money (ie, what he didn't have) rather than about cocksize (ie, what the people actually employing it didn't have).
HeySteve: sounds like the justification for a communist state
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 03:51:29; funkenstein_: malcolm x says the state becomes necessary when one needs to separate those who have from those who have not
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164175 << he is wrong. the state becomes necessary when people who aren't willing to kill if it comes to it wish to pretend they're still people.
mircea_popescu: iroquis worked fine without anyone "claiming the land". fine enough for the us to try and copy off them everything they didn't understand from french anyway
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 03:42:37; decimation: but someone has to claim the land, and people need a place to sleep
mircea_popescu: this has exactly zero to do with governance in the general case.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164147 << you will know the leper by his sores. "the state" is any arrangement which pretends that the use of violence is under "its" monopoly.
mircea_popescu: it pretends, and apparently convincingly, to be either or both, but it is neither. for that matter, koreans believe "the party" is equal to "the atmosphere". what of it.
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 03:32:36; decimation: sure, but in the end they all involve a peice of actual real estate with an actual physical structure
mircea_popescu: if the state went away tomorrow nobody'd even notice.
mircea_popescu: the proposition that "religion === morality" or "state===society" or "monarchy===worldview" etc is so much smarmy pretense.
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 03:24:29; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163996 < but what is the altnerative to the state?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164136 << the question is misstated in that it assumes an alternative is needed. "what is the alternative to bell bottoms???".
BingoBoingo: I have vaguely familair with the name being said places, but the context is unknown to me.
mircea_popescu: he had some rather on point comments re bitcoin's end game in 2012
BingoBoingo: Sounds like an actual problem. I'd consider tossing him an invite, but he's a complete stranger. All I know him as is the pirate trying to make a qntra... but special needs.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe. there should be a new word, "low functioning intelligence". the exact counterparty to high functioning autism
BingoBoingo: Dude prolly figures since oldmedia pays him more attention than it does mp, that he can just mash two mp ideas together and herptiy derp and whistle while he twerks
BingoBoingo: "publishes all news as shareable images, thereby bypassing a large number of restrictions and limitations, not needing clickbait, and being immune to adblock but also paying people well, using bitcoin" << And completely ignoring the MP doesn't read text as images
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for as long as fiat financing lasts, everyone gets to pretend they're the most serene republic.
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 01:03:44; asciilifeform: 'Shortly thereafter, officers who had been working undercover to catch citizens attempting to self-serve, swarmed in to arrest the mostly nude man but not before Mapes took down 3 of the 6 officers by himself.'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164089 << because you're not on the stuff the guy's smoking
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 00:25:07; jurov: "Also, programmers can also attest to the fact that long-term coding is very much a tantric, mind-altering endeavor."
assbot: On how the factored 4096 RSA keys story was handled, and what it means to you. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qz8yuy )
mircea_popescu: ugh... wrong fucking link. i meant http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/#comment-114526
mircea_popescu: seriously, as far as the "public opinion" is concenred, "there exists a weapon that has never been used on account of it being too effectual". something that happened with nothing never, the celts used iron weapons and the europeans used machine guns and everything in between that actually worked and was actually useful was actually used. and not a little used. USED. ubiquitously used, the franks re-engineered their en
assbot: The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume I on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qz7Op3 )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/#comment-114533 << people still working on the ~fallout~ :D from that article.
mircea_popescu: i take it the unsolicited redrawing of mpex on toilet paper by kindergartners did not end up selling for the "very modest" five digit figure he had in... for lack of a better term, mind ?
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:56:08; pete_dushenski: i had my credit card number lifted in chicago a few years back, sekoority centre called me to ask about a few purchases, which i hadn't made, they cancelled the card on the spot and refunded me the charges.
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:22:49; punkman: "Weird 64MB favicon.ico turning out to be a TAR backup of the whole WP site, downloaded by every browser passing by... "
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164378 << can we also suppose that there was a 'cunt patrol', which succeeded in its mission and remains secret ?
asciilifeform: point being, the 'made whole' thing is 1) not guaranteed by any means 2) presupposes that the victim's ~time~ is worth nothing
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: lifted cc #s are so routine as to be an automatic writeoff for the bank, unless it was an outlandishly posh cc