mircea_popescu: it's only controversial in that most of the "participants" have nfi.
mircea_popescu: moreover, there is a list of idiocies that may not be not smitten
ascii_field: but my original point was, that if picking up the hammer of the gods, if/when the day comes, one may as well smite ~all~ the known idiocies, vs. only a subset
mircea_popescu: the obvious "because our esteemed leader says so" (which already carried, exactly once, when the versions prior to 2 were forked off) doesn't carry, as the closest to such a thing extant in bitcoin is against it.
ascii_field: this is rather elementarily obvious, imho
mircea_popescu: irrespective of any flailings of random idiots (gavin & all), there can not be a hardfork until such a time as we have an answer to that question.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> at what level of 'hardness' does it even make sense to retain the original blockchain, as opposed to full-bore altcoin slugfest ? << the fact that this question has not a good answer as of yet is perhaps the principal roadblock in the way of considering a hardfork at all.
BingoBoingo: as the software is now it will likely complain, but this seems like something to be fixed in the software client rather than the block format
mircea_popescu: diametric apparently you're getting ~14gbps worth of random packets. it's going to come back up in the coming hours as it's being mitigated.
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assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 14:37:07; asciilifeform: my next experiment re: 0.5.3 is to be a complete amputation of dns (the sequence of 'amputator' patches starting with 'dns seeds' and continuing with yesterday's two is in place for this)
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167737 << if i omitted anything from the list of 'what remains' ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167631 ), everyone is invited to comment...
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 16:30:55; mircea_popescu: a hard fork is this enchanted moment when you borrow the heavenly forge and ... well... rewrite the rules.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167733 << doing this sanely - which is to say, more or less precisely as i described - is neither quick, nor especially pleasant, nor remunerative. i fail to see why it would ever happen at all...
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 16:21:50; mircea_popescu: but for the record, no hard fork proposal can be seriously considered that fails to include a fix for such scatteromobilia throughout the codebase.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167721 << at what level of 'hardness' does it even make sense to retain the original blockchain, as opposed to full-bore altcoin slugfest ?
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 15:25:48; *: mircea_popescu has absolutely never followed the instruction
assbot: The problem of the state. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rd2BhZ )
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assbot: The problem of the state. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1er74Sd )
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-problem-of-the-state << endnote iii 'sorely equipped' --> 'sorely underequipped' ?
BingoBoingo: By combining 32 bit time and blockheight a hardford should be entirely unneccessary to deal with this. Can be handled in the bitcoin daemon
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 06:44:08; danielpbarron: >> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167375 << myeah, the workaround on this thing should be interesting << Shouldn't it just roll over, no hardfork required?
mircea_popescu: will sign their ips too.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, jurov, other folks with serious servers - who wants to volunteer for node duty ? << I think the Foundation will have one, and I'll run a separate one of my own I'm sure.
mircea_popescu: a hard fork is this enchanted moment when you borrow the heavenly forge and ... well... rewrite the rules.
mircea_popescu: everyone can just throw out their old computers. not like they're useful or anything.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 07:17:21; danielpbarron: can't do that. the timestamp is part of what makes a block valid
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167403 << there's no reason to stick with the old unix time convention. bitcoin time, starts at block 0.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 07:09:26; danielpbarron: does this mean there are not actually 21 million coins
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167394 << it wasn't ever 21 precisely, the asymptote is somewhat under that.
assbot: Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J65Qsf )
mircea_popescu: and in no case can people who aren't even aware of this hard requirement for hard forks be regarded as anything but the bumbling imbeciles discussed in http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/ entry i.
mircea_popescu: but for the record, no hard fork proposal can be seriously considered that fails to include a fix for such scatteromobilia throughout the codebase.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 06:44:08; danielpbarron: >> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167375 << myeah, the workaround on this thing should be interesting
scoopbot_revived: Shaun Bridges Pleads Guilty to Silk Road Theft http://qntra.net/2015/06/shaun-bridges-pleads-guilty-to-silk-road-theft/
nanashi_: I was envious of the later three "No" betters (refunded), I'm sorry!!
nanashi_: I am "143Cz" better. I know I lost the bet, but I'm surprised the later three bets (which were all "No") were refunded (which they should not).
nanashi_: Could I make an inquiry about BitBet's Freeseas Bet? The first three of the last four bets were "No" bets, so they should not be refunded (though it seems it's too late...).
funkenstein_: so it will be with a whimper, and not with a bang then?
mircea_popescu: i'd give him anything else rather than decades.
pete_dushenski: lego is that one toy that works like it says it will on the box
pete_dushenski: the permutations and combinations that even 3k pieces would give you is pretty awe inspiring
mircea_popescu: cue kid come visiting, "hey, is that the car ???" pointing at a yellow futuristic looking bridge with some wheels attached
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what some jerk thought he would do if he had your toy ?
mircea_popescu has absolutely never followed the instruction
pete_dushenski: but hey, lego isn't so different from any other organisation : it scales poorly
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: 10k piece ?! sweet baby jeebus that a big one.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: the problem i have with legos is construction organization of bigger sets. I have a 10k+ piece star destroyer set and if I stop working on it I always forget the step i was left.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 13:39:05; asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 13:39:05; asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.
pete_dushenski comes back, sees that fluffypony was joking. breathes sweet sigh of relief.
fluffypony: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/lego-promoting-unrealistic-body-image-2015061899397
asciilifeform: see also therealbitcoin mailinglist
asciilifeform: then will see what obstacle, if any, remains to a static+uclibc build.
asciilifeform: my next experiment re: 0.5.3 is to be a complete amputation of dns (the sequence of 'amputator' patches starting with 'dns seeds' and continuing with yesterday's two is in place for this)
assbot: Ex-U.S. Agent Charged With Bitcoin Theft to Plead Guilty - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhqDJS )
pete_dushenski: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-18/ex-u-s-agent-charged-with-pocketing-bitcoins-reaches-plea-deal << shaun bridges (not to be confoozed with carl mark force) pleads guilty to silk road thefts
asciilifeform: there we go
asciilifeform is sorta imagining a 'studio audience' of folks who might actually consider using 0.5.3.next on the battlefield, pending some actual clarification of wtf we did to it
asciilifeform: rather than mircea_popescu & co
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have read in the sense of moved my eyes over them and decyphered the letters. i have not read in the sense i understand this sufficiently.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it most certainly is. though it will get squeezed when i roll out the multicore phuctoratron
asciilifeform: mod6 has the resource consumption data on the apparatus in question (assuming mod6 and ben_vulpes decide to ratify the requisite patches which added up to that sample)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, jurov, other folks with serious servers - who wants to volunteer for node duty ?
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 13:33:47; mircea_popescu: and also, i am writing like the best article ever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, re the liver stressing ; herpes C generates liver disease all the way to cirhosis.
mircea_popescu: if you look at the nerves, there's really very little contact / very good separation between the strands
mircea_popescu: (ie, there's no "upper lip left side" herpes)
pete_dushenski: mouth is where the contact is with potential hosts
mircea_popescu: even leaving aside the "we've arbitrarily divided this virus up into 3 no wait 7 no wait 16 no wait nm groups", the notion that "i don't have herpes" is to be translated as "i read very little and understand even less".
mircea_popescu: i imagine some precursor protein for the supression ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's the liver to do with it ?
mircea_popescu: except pretty much everyone can be made to develop mouth herpes by stressing the liver in a particular manner
pete_dushenski: flexible, or like the mythical marilyn manson, missing lower ribs
asciilifeform: a) isn't quite a complete description. in the folks having the particular immune quirk which lets the thing blow up into red skin etc., exposure can plant it down in new places (thing lives in nearest nerve)
mircea_popescu: a) that infection is unrelated to exposure in any form ; b) that "fighting" pointless "battles" is the best way to waste public money in relative personal safety ; c) canada is broadly iliterate
mircea_popescu: i dunno why epidemiology is so hard to follow, but let's add two and two together. two one : the virus is not a new introduction. two two : the virus is stable aroun 16-18% infections.
asciilifeform: they get no press
asciilifeform: l0l and what of all the folks with arm and leg herpes
pete_dushenski: something along the lines of '1, 2, 3, 4, jacob has genital herpes !'
mircea_popescu: the interest, here or anywhere, for the deeds of anyone pretending to be in cryptocurrency who doesn't meet the minimum bar of competency for that field is not unlike the interest we show scientists that can't add. "will there be nudity ?"
mircea_popescu: adam_obrien the correct way to use this is exactly backwards : tell would be whoevers on twitter to get into the wot.
mircea_popescu: or, more properly stated : that it offers a usable, cheap counterbalance to the female community behaviour.
mircea_popescu: anyway, porn has at least the very important social function that it models female behaviour.
asciilifeform: (re: the latter: once dns is out, and import/export-privkey are in, i will be moving my personal nodes to therealbitcoin...)
asciilifeform: very convenient that the idiot fork is breathing its last just as therealbitcoin is approaching something like usable status
punkman: asciilifeform: they seem to be merging bitcoin 0.10 so I'm guessing yes
asciilifeform: well yes, 'worse since inception' in the documented ways
punkman: they still merge from bitcoin source
shinohai: Nearly all coins from the shitclone era connect to that same irc server
asciilifeform: incidentally, has anyone bothered to study litecoin sources and note, e.g., whether it 'gavinized' in the wake of bitcoin, and how ?
asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.
asciilifeform: and at pr0n also. when encountered in the wild, linked
mircea_popescu: all hail me, the grand lord inquisitioner.
mircea_popescu: didn't you link some pics of soviet food and declare they made you drool a little ago ?
asciilifeform: i personally swing in the direction where everything on the screen has to be recognizably woman
mircea_popescu: and also, i am writing like the best article ever.
mircea_popescu: you don't actually fuck the screen
asciilifeform: the original observation was about the 'susprises' in the pr0n links, rather than penii per se
mircea_popescu: but there is a penis ?
pete_dushenski: but not if there's hare.
pete_dushenski: up at the crack of dawn this morn, thought it was 8am, it was 5:30
pete_dushenski: ^for the rocketistas.
pete_dushenski: "Buran hitched the ride to space on the side of the Energia, only using her own two engines – the equivalent of the shuttle’s Orbital Maneuvering System (OMS) using GOX/Kerosene propellant – for a 66.7 m/s burn to reach a final the orbit of 251 km x 263 km."
pete_dushenski: "The immense power of the Energia provided a capacity to place about 100 tonnes in Low Earth Orbit (LEO), up to 20 t to the geostationary orbit (GEO) and up to 32 t to a translunar trajectory."
pete_dushenski: "The end result was a powerhouse known as the Energia LV – which used four strap-on boosters, each powered by a four-chamber RD-170 engine burning with kerosene/LOX, and a central core stage with four single-chamber RD-0120 (11D122) engines fueled with liquid hydrogen/LOX"
pete_dushenski: "When faced with the requirement to make a 200mt thrust LOX/LH2 engine, in tandem with reusability, the Soviets decided to ditch the reusable requirement."
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2015 05:55:37; asciilifeform: to a lesser extent also famous are other vintage home appliances, like 'buran' vacuum cleaner - http://kartmen.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/20131126_162658.jpg
pete_dushenski: http://hypecurioso.com/explorador-descobre-os-restos-tristes-do-programa-espacial-sovietico/ << the size and scale of the space shuttle in these pictures, representing the combined and concerted efforts of thousands of the world's best minds, is an engineering feat that's more than a bit moving.
pete_dushenski: in other news, i finally installed openbsd on my edgerouter !
pete_dushenski: well, he's the robocoin 'bitcoin atm' dude
punkman: hmm I guess it's not new, first time google spits it out at the top for me though
assbot: Goldman Sachs introduces curfews for interns – they must go home by midnight - Business News - Business - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fo5kOu )
shinohai: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/goldman-sachs-introduces-curfews-for-interns--they-must-go-home-by-midnight-10327770.html
funkenstein_: so yeah, 20,999,950 theoretically spendable by 2130 or whenever
funkenstein_: hmm, not much proofreading there eh?
funkenstein_: BTCBanana: funkenstein, hahah why you invested in a tech you don't understand go read the book by andreas
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo confesses, my attraction to OpenBSD is for the easy configuration and handholding
mod6: Upon further successful testing of these guides, they'll be submitted to the mailing list, etc.
mod6 looks at the log
mod6: Did it cut them off from my message?
mod6: Thanks for the help!
mod6: hanbot: I finally have a guide you can follow for an amd64 (x86-64) Gentoo install on physical hardware. This guide is actually part A (just the commands & notes) and part B (with examples from my own install process). trinque & I have both tested this independantly, and the steps got us to a working install. Hopefully you'll get the same result! You should probably just read through both before actually doing anything. Here are the URL's to
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000099.html << ah it warms my heart. as an aside, is theshooping in the message protocol actually necessary for anything?
BingoBoingo: Latin American hitting is the best. Japanesep pitching technique is great. Just Japanese coaching techniques destroys arms.
BingoBoingo: mats: Up until 2013 the Japs. Problem is the Japs have such a toxic culture towards starting pitchers. 2013 Dominican Republic won. Semifinal Part of the USA (Puerto Rico) beat the rest of USA
mats: BingoBoingo: who usually wins these things?
mats: can confirm there is no cock in that one
BingoBoingo: mats: Last "World Baseball Classic" the japs were knocked out by the Netherlands to my great profit.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 00:39:50; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a0b21db7f61f3860f5eac1b1e51afd35/tumblr_nq3kdrsamT1sgfmbuo2_500.jpg
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167023 << i've stopped clicking since these apparently began including cock
decimation: mats: they could toss those magnetic mines, seems much more practical
mats: grenades for the port?
mats: i hear the japanese are pretty good at baseball
decimation: one wonders if that if the jap could get close enough to hide in bushes - why not bury actual anti-tank mine?
decimation: asciilifeform: lol the infantry equiv. of a kamakaze raid
mircea_popescu: the "ambush done right" is this thing still awaiting embodiement irl.
asciilifeform: btw ru sop was to stick 'ppsh' through the hole
mircea_popescu: decimation the problem those ports were probably trying to address is not "middle of tank battle" but "tank got ambushed by infantry"
decimation: although I guess the early panzerfausts only had a 30m range!
decimation: yeah, anything to make them think they aren't gonna die in a fire or hail of metal shards
asciilifeform: could have had 'psychological' reason for the ports, such as preventing crew from leaving machine prematurely
asciilifeform: (if the coaxial guns jam, presumably)
asciilifeform: they aren't for 'tank battle'
asciilifeform: late-model t-34 had them
decimation: lol "Other useless features were pistol ports (in the middle of a tank battle I am going to throw my 1911.45 cal handgun into the mix!),"
decimation: unless you are friends with the governor or whatever
decimation: asciilifeform: in maryland I suspect the answer is always no
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: alloy. but shows the property described here.
decimation: asciilifeform: some forums I read suggest that they can't inspect your weapon (without a warrant), just the tax stamp
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167211 << not so simple. gotta get fingerprinted, filed in triplicate, and letter of permission from local sheriff (automatic in some states, a definite 'never' in others) plus subject to random inspections.
BingoBoingo: "fine clay" << /me mostly considers lical jungle clay of which there is an abundance.
mircea_popescu: (break a "solid metal" chinese item - see the porous microstructure)
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Now clay is a material with wildly inconsistent properties << the difference between properly fired fine clay and the bizarre ceramic-like metal replacement the chinese use is slight.
decimation: this whole hastert affair still pisses me off. imagine if a state voted to make it illegal for a bank to report your cash transaction to the feds
decimation: that's why they didn't take colorado to court, for instance
decimation: in case they lose
mats: makes them an easy target for unscrupulous opportunists
mats: feds are still busy fucking the state
decimation: mats: yeah but it kinda demonstrated that the feds are a paper tiger
decimation: if you are gonna waste your time on us politics, the most effective use would be state plebecites
decimation: the whole pot thing
decimation: apparently colorado and others can just preempt federal law if they feel like it, and the feds are 'unable' to do anything
BingoBoingo: Around these parts he would be white tie formal
BingoBoingo: decimation: it is a grey area open to continuing litigation which is why the states in question pushed this kind of federal premption stuff forward, to keep the lawyers in an other than nekkid state
decimation: anti-gun nuts love to make guns louder, so they annoy people on nuisance grounds
asciilifeform: i can't recall the precise details. anyone who needs this - straight to him.
BingoBoingo: Traditional zip gun is .22 or .25 caliber, but... if choosing off the shelf pipes why not go big?
asciilifeform: specifically on account of matching the 'calibers' found in a typical plumbing goods shop
asciilifeform: (no more so than the one on your car)
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I wonder if you can also craft a suppressor yourself, to make the thing civilized? << paladin press torrent will yeild a bounty on this subject
decimation: my understanding of m-4 is that the lower does this
asciilifeform: can you simply whack the pin by hand ?
asciilifeform: or can you shoot it 'by hand' like you could the old lugers ?
decimation: I wonder if you can also craft a suppressor yourself, to make the thing civilized?
asciilifeform: (the upper half of that rifle, on account of some peculiar usg archaicism, is sold openly)
BingoBoingo: Taurus also by its subsidiary Rossi seems to be dominating the lever action rifle market as well
BingoBoingo: For the record I am under the impression Kimber and "Springfield Armory" are the leaders in Model 1911 production with Taurus leading the M-92 production
asciilifeform: (pottery: the original 3d print!)
asciilifeform: can't wait for the zamac barrels
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the existence of pistols with 'zamac' moving parts blew my mind
asciilifeform: not even certain the hammer was 100% steel
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 00:35:22; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i suspect the usg policy against private small arms has finally found the chokehold : drive the manufacturers out of business. << Most of the good "Colt" designs are now made better by others. Argentinas Taurus is one.
asciilifeform: not one of those buggers depends on honest (or otherwise) ~work~ for a living.
decimation: asciilifeform: note that susan rice is also part of the 'rice cameron family foundation'
cazalla: woot woot, the courier delivered my 2 x white shahtoot mulberry.. first time ordering plants online, preddy impressed tbh, arrive safe and sound
BingoBoingo: Apparently the Clarence Thomas fellow can be trans-white, but this blonde chick can't be trans-black
gribble: Rachel Dolezal's brother: She's 'making up more lies' - CNN.com: <http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/17/us/washington-rachel-dolezal-naacp/index.html?eref=rss_topstories>; Rachel Dolezal, ex-NAACP leader: 'I identify as black' - CNN.com: <http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/16/us/washington-rachel-dolezal-naacp/>; Rachel Dolezal's brother, author Joshua Dolezal, faces trial for ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: anyway, to take a page out of alf's book, "we will know terminal decline stage by this sign, that ivy-limp bureaucrats will organise tranny beheading parties and then gather the heads in a sack and take them to isis, as a ritual sacrifice. much to everyone's confusion and wtf in that camp."
mircea_popescu: they're simply some kids that don't give a shit about a particular set of conventional nonsense
mircea_popescu: "the nihilist ISIS Islamist horror show" heh. some kids not giving a shit about these kids circlejerk does not actually enact them into some sort of objective absolute.
cazalla: mebe he was in the pool
mircea_popescu: aaannnnd in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0954fb8bce8dbda84c8979f18e581cfe/tumblr_nptqm20yoj1uojgsco1_1280.jpg
trinque: If this sounds depressing, do not worry. We will finally get to see how our Abrams Main Battle Tank holds up under state of the art airstrikes—because, ISIS now has 10 of those suckers and 100 more Humvees! << lol
ascii_field: and all sorta of unsavory actors relish a mandated compile into a poorly-understood, sloppily-implemented instruction set for which there are no quality reversing tools
trinque: looked like a move where you "sign" your release, but then they can diddle endlessly at the final step
ascii_field: eh they use stock llvm
trinque: ascii_field: right, did you also see (I think I put it in the logs) Apple's move to compile to apps to an intermediate bytecode, which is then transformed to whichever back-end machine code?