assbot: Logged on 19-06-2015 02:03:34; asciilifeform: 'The PiuPiu oversharing site allows users to create PiuPiu accounts and post 140-character messages. The federal government wants PiuPiu to surveil user activity on the site, by archiving any posts that match certain patterns outlined in a national security letter. Subject to the nondisclosure constraints of the letter, PiuPiu may not inform anyone of the surveillance request.'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168292 << for flavour, "piu piu" is the chirp sound of birds in romanian.
ascii_field: !s pay for the sun
mircea_popescu: and bad software, and everyone wanting to make their own web app and so on
ascii_field: so there ought to be a reason for it
mircea_popescu: because at that time, had he not also run a "buy new coinbases from miners at 110% "business" on the side, people would have noticed they're being paid with their own coins.
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2015 00:49:01; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168261 << hypothetical twist: whole thing is a front by chinese miners, anxious to sell certifiably 'clean' coin to gullible schmucks at a premium
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168270 << the clean coins trading thing was a major enabler of the original ponzi (pirate's)
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 22:59:55; cazalla: for a moment i was like.. why would jurov not give qntra the scoop? http://www.coindesk.com/latin-america-coinbr-acquires-coinverse/
mircea_popescu: so is the idea something like "it costs 10x more to move this one guy than to move these 450 other guys" ?
decimation: Greenspun was just making the side point that the aircraft is relatively expensive to operate compared to others in its class
mircea_popescu: decimation then it's a not very well written/researched article ?
mircea_popescu: you intend to fly the guy in an old antonov birotor ?
decimation: well, you also gotta realize that when air force one is flying, there is usually a fleet of other aircraft for car, plane, etc
mircea_popescu: maybe someone blew up their math somewhere ?
trinque: I'm not a rich guy or head of state, but seems either merits better shuffling around than what I use
mircea_popescu: trinque im still in shock someone proposed 7k a seat as outrageous. i must be buying in all the wrong places.
mircea_popescu: what was that rocket plane they had, he something
decimation: ascii_field: the best part of that 20 juli movie with tom cruise were the scenes with hitler's planes
ascii_field: i've been reading an autobiography of hans baur, best known as hitler's pilot. he spoke of various folks he had flown, and described how king of bulgaria flew part of a trip with him, then caught an ordinary train
mircea_popescu: but the uk is a sort of egypt.
decimation: I think the uk prime minister flys on british airways
decimation: other presidents do
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 22:36:07; mats: casual racism is the norm here
mircea_popescu: and they sell for... about that ?
decimation: greenspun: "(compare to about $25,000 per flight hour to charter (source)). If American Airlines spent this much during the 7-hour flight from London to Boston it would cost $1.44 million for the trip in operating cost (i.e., not including the capital cost of the aircraft) or about $3500 per passenger (i.e., a round-trip coach ticket couldn?t be sold for less than about $7000 plus taxes and fees)."
trinque: decimation: they don't even make 'em do that r&b yodel anymore
mircea_popescu: omfg! i totally called it. ITS THE SAME LIFTED PHOTOS GUYSE!
decimation: at any rate the irs definitely taxes your shit on it, even if unspendable
decimation: add a few ounces of metal to the cheapass plastic; charge $200
mircea_popescu: more importantly, how do we know it's not "buncha anon hags are driving the star-fluid movement, wherein everyone thinks they're a star"
ascii_field: a usual gambit is to try to 'luxurify the ordinary' by getting folks used to a crippled item, then re-introducing the missing bits
mircea_popescu: How Stars Like Cara Delevingne, Kristen Stewart, & Miley Cyrus Are Leading the Gender Fluid Movement for Millennials << who the fuck are these "stars" ?
decimation: note the divorce between marketing and technologists
mircea_popescu: i got the letters wrong
ascii_field: (sx rather)
mircea_popescu: decimation no no, there was a shitty series of 486 processors
ascii_field: except then it becomes ubiquitous
mircea_popescu: (the "cheap laptop" thing being a recent example)
mircea_popescu: as all these idiocies ever do.
mircea_popescu: there was a huge cost to, basically, gavinize computers around that time. it's how "mmx" processors came about, and "streamlined" mobos with no batteries etc.
decimation: ascii_field, others: related>
decimation: plus, once you are paying $bil to corba and java developers, they are not gonna listen to some rf engineer who knows about radios
decimation: ascii_field: yes, radios that are designed to work as radios rather than platonic ideals of radios do tend to work well
trinque: after which who knows, I might dare dabble in C++ for the second time in my career
decimation: it's almost dead predictable every time a new tech cycle comes around: usg spends $bil on 'new tech that will save lots of money', fails any gains, actual people working in the field are displaced by carpetbaggers
ascii_field: in the words of orlov, 'try asking a different question, to which there may be an answer'
ascii_field: there ~is not a good answer~ to this question
ascii_field: back to the 'plz recommend standard hardware that isn't retarded' thing - i can't help but rub in the point here, that we are playing 'junkyard wars'
trinque: the guide is directly aimed at noobs
trinque: has most of the bullshit removed via USE
shinohai: I <3 Debian but the bloated systemd kills me
ascii_field: thing is a turd, from the black-box cpu (all 'arm' are builds of opaque licensed blob from uk) to the 'systemd' shit ecosystem that will run on top
shinohai: I can do the same thing with any discarded android, with enuf time
ascii_field: shinohai: chip is available now, on other boards. yet another 'arm', nothing remarkable about it
shinohai: I'd rather build something on my own when I haz knowledge
assbot: CHIP - The World's First Nine Dollar Computer by Next Thing Co. — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITUu7W )
shinohai: @ ascii_field what are your thoughts on this? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer
ascii_field: i would like 486 but not if i have to set up the disk thing every time it turns on.
ascii_field: to finish the story, i dug for data sheets for the 'ali' chipset found therein, in hopes of affixing something like a 'cmos battery' - and found, unsurprisingly, nothing
ascii_field: trinque: depends very much on whether you can distinguish genuinely valuable things from the kind of garbage i was describing just now
trinque: asking genuinely, perhaps there's not
ascii_field: the only thing more useless than a modern opaque turd is a 1990s opaque turd that no one is ~even working on~ reverse-engineering today
shinohai: There is no such thing as an obsolete computer in my mind, unless it is hopelessly fragmented by usg
trinque: tends to be the format for papers posted here
trinque: while they can be got, heh
trinque: I mean flashing the guy
trinque: what's the tooling to write to that run?
ascii_field: (iirc the one it ships with doesn't work)
ascii_field: nor does attaching one through the m-pcie slots appear to work
trinque: I might buy one of the pcengines machines ascii_field pointed out soon
shinohai: I have a shitty laptop that came with Win8, I wouldn't trade it for a Mac even if you added a few btc to the mix
mod6: <+trinque> no, that's precisely the right response << i wonder if its easier to just tell mac people to fire up a vm of linux/bsd and just use gpg inside of that?
shinohai: I tried to help him but I m hoplessly out of my element with other OS's no matter how hard I try
trinque: I'll happily lead a noob through using the proper tools, but wont bother with someone who refuses to use the proper tools
trinque: no, that's precisely the right response
trinque: er no, "gpgtools" is the one I had in mind
shinohai: @ thestringpuller i had a pm from a guy using a mac last night using gpg on a mac (gui) I couldn't help because I know dick about macs.
thestringpuller: I suspekt the second you put priv keys on a mac they go straight ot the secret iCloud.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: and by 'for mac' they almost always mean 'using mac gui'
mircea_popescu: may be a bridge too far, too thin, too short and too fallen in the water too long ago.
mircea_popescu: i suspect what they mean is, "someone with experience with crapple software that doesn't suck"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168137 << yes. a large number of people do, who all seem to be lookingfor the same thing. "someone with experience with gpgtools for mac"
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 21:31:46; cazalla: ah i think she's attractive, just has that mousy look.. no cocks either! maybe mp could learn a thing or two from you :P
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, people who sell very weak stuff prolly lose their custom
ascii_field: and ended with objects like these
ascii_field: as a boy, i saw a '80s sov. film where a couple split up their possessions with gigantic laser
mircea_popescu: historically, what they've been used for.
assbot: Guy was ordered to give his ex half of the stuff after divorce. Well, he did. : WTF ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnLfsu )
ascii_field: http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/3ae3wn/guy_was_ordered_to_give_his_ex_half_of_the_stuff/? << in other nyooz
trinque: when it doesn't kill them, great
mircea_popescu has really nfi what's out there re lsd purity
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: different animal vs. 'roll dice to decide how many zeros appear in front of the milligram figure'
mircea_popescu: wasn't it the case caffeine tolerance actually builds to degrees of magnitude ?
trinque: hazirafel_: those types tend to do what they're told; wouldn't call it understanding
ascii_field: (for one thing, if it did, you would typically be dead after a few pulls of the roulette trigger)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168033 << wait, you think anyone drinks specified purity caffeine in their coffee ?!
mircea_popescu: not "our brothel really fucking sucks, who ever heard of this"
mircea_popescu: and incompetent pinoy brothel owner decides "gringos are assholes"
mircea_popescu: maybe all the patrons in class A happen to be white
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: iirc the author of 'camels' did investigate what the 'shooters in dark' had in common - and in all cases, it was an inability to comprehend that the machine is entirely blind to human intent, and to build meaningful mental models of purely mechanistic systems as a class
ascii_field: as if fpga has ~ever~ (at least since '92 or so) been 'exposed' as anything but the blackest of black boxes
mircea_popescu: ascii_field to round up what i mean, class A are perhaps "the shooters in the dark". which means, they have an idea what they want, and programming [as taught] fails to satisfy [which is the fault of the teachers].
ascii_field: 'When JTRS started, software-defined radio (SDR) was still in its infancy. The project's SCA architecture allowed software to manipulate field-programmable gate arrays (FPGAs) in the radio hardware to reconfigure how its electronics functioned, exposing those FPGAs as CORBA objects. But when development began, hardware implementations of CORBA for FPGAs didn’t really exist in any standard form.' << giga-l0l!
mircea_popescu: fluffypony haha. nothing of the stealth plane yet huh.
mircea_popescu: now, which would you say is likely to contain the largest proportion of intelligent people ?
ascii_field: 'what can they do? -- wash cars. -- ok, my car is dusty, let's wash'
mircea_popescu: necessarily. the latter propose to select from the set given, the former have a preformed set they compare to.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the latter ?
mircea_popescu: which of the two do you propose are more likely to spend money ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field incidentally, i suspect the dataset there has a major flaw. to model it : two classes of brothel patrons. class A comes to reception, asks "do the girls here to X ?" ; class B comes to reception, asks "what can girls here do for me ?"
trinque: obviously paste the whole thing; escape codes didn't make it in
mod6: hazirafel_: along with the logs: trilema.com if you don't already
trinque: wiki.t-o-f.info/uploads/EDM4600/The camel has two humps.pdf
ascii_field: hazirafel_: this is related to a very old article, entitled 'the camel has two humps'
mircea_popescu: he said it, and directed it at me, which is why my name is in there.
hazirafel_: "mircea_popescu: recall the little quiz, where the kidz who made consistent errors usually passed the next 4 years, while of the shooters in the dark - none did [23:02] <+ascii_field> (all of these with no prior experience programming)"
mircea_popescu: in other news, "the proportion of female faces that are more feminine than the most feminine male faces is much greater than the proportion of male faces that are more masculine than the most masculine female faces."
ascii_field: (all of these with no prior experience programming)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: recall the little quiz, where the kidz who made consistent errors usually passed the next 4 years, while of the shooters in the dark - none did
mircea_popescu: other than "this adult exhibits intellectual neoteny".
mircea_popescu: ascii_field that's nothing but the infancy/adulthood divide. it's not a personal descriptor
mircea_popescu: and the relationships a good two layers deeper/more complex.
ascii_field: (this may be the ultimate psychological group divide)
mircea_popescu: the advantage is that c++ grease doesn't irritate the skin. the disadvantage is that well... this thing has i would estimate about 10 to 100x more moving parts than a car,
ascii_field: ^ many would-be 'doom' authors discover that they can't actually stomach the very notion of a machine which behaves precisely as instructed and not 'as intentioned'
mircea_popescu: hazirafel_ it's really a lot like racing. to be into racing more than someone cheering in the stands / swimsuit model crowding the finish line, you gotta take an engine apart. grease and all.
hazirafel_: you have a point, if i had the inclination into codeing needing to be block-chain literate i would of be swimming in it by my age... maybe
mircea_popescu: so there you go.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 15:39:53; asciilifeform: every time i see the bed of nails i think of the soviet caricature
mircea_popescu: "how do i get the girl i love ?" "get some sluts first"
mircea_popescu: they should.
mircea_popescu: which, and i say from bitter experience, is just as large a task as making an os, and so... the largest class there is.
mircea_popescu: most kids get into programming because they want to make a mmorpg.
ascii_field: for some reason i can't help but recall the kidz of 1990s who always began with 'where do i learn to write a game like 'doom' ?'
ascii_field: where was the thread where mircea_popescu observed, 'if they weren't dumb shits we would not even be having this line of thought' ?
ascii_field: when the muppets open up on one another, i promise to wake up mircea_popescu. though it might have to be over spark-gap radio
mircea_popescu: even tho it was THE ENEMY that ~actually~ did it.
mircea_popescu: not the offenders.
mircea_popescu: he fires the people he has,
ascii_field: ^ matters in the sense that mayor of city of college park cannot fire md state police
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2015 19:21:48; mircea_popescu: and only agreed to hire a replacewment once the replacement swore he is firing every single lieutenant in the department ?
mircea_popescu: let the unfortunate nato schmucks grown on facebook complain of "brain circuitry"
shinohai: The blockchain is sacred. Don't fuck with it ala Gavin
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes but was then moved to usa where was nearly total hermit since age ~9
ascii_field: the relevant brain circuits, i mean
mircea_popescu: it was built, by people, through the process of taking risks.
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2015 19:19:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167889 << and suddenly another utility of crate of benjies becomes apparent.
assbot: Logged on 15-04-2014 18:34:43; asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean
ascii_field: cpp is introduced in stroustrup but this in turn breathes not a word re: 'boost' etc
mircea_popescu: and, "sufficient proficiency in both c++ and bitcoin so as to be able to follow all the discussion here, and only say something stupid 50% of the time and less, and understand why it's stupid once explained 90% of the time or more"
jurov: otherwise, learning programming is mostly individual affair
hazirafel_: ehh... complete learning C++ or bitcoin literate ? Ivy League doesn't mean shit necessarily, from the people i've met
mircea_popescu: also meet Adlai. he's also from the jdif.
hazirafel_: yeah i need to register. ok so you're saying learn c++ and read the source code?
hazirafel_: mircea you're talking about the developers guide?
mircea_popescu: also, start there.
hazirafel_: who am i? :my name is sarah, i live in the 'holy land' , i did some programming courses in collage but bitcoin actually motivates me to learn the nuts and bolts, was looking around the net, saw a recommendation of this cha
mircea_popescu: a) not in any sense funny and b) very dangerous, ion that it offers you the illusion of having understood (through recognition mostly) but no actual understanding. which is how people end up writing insecure applications
mircea_popescu: the problem with reading the developer guide is the same problem with reading mark twain, the cliff notes.
mircea_popescu: the alternative, if you are a business person, is to have a programmer "read it to you", but this is expensive and rare a tradecraft, so. expect to spend the next year laying groundowkr, mostly in terms oif reading the codebase and wondering at the wonders of c++
hazirafel_: ok cool. i've been reading the developers guid
mircea_popescu: hazirafel_ listen, there is no practical way to understand anything relevant re bitcoin without actually reading the code. and the code is c++. you will have to do this as a first step.
mircea_popescu: oh the java c thing.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 20:34:36; ascii_field: nubbins`: can then say 'i took 5ug and discovered proof of goldbach's conjecture' or 'i took 500 and learned that thirty-three is purple'
hazirafel_: i forgot i read that being nice on the internet makes people think you're stupid. any fucking help bit-assholes?
mats: magic mushrooms make me want to poop myself during the entire experience
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167978 << and strangely enough, this ISNT'T the top of social media.
mircea_popescu: and only agreed to hire a replacewment once the replacement swore he is firing every single lieutenant in the department ?
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 20:07:16; ascii_field: they machine-gunned his dogs
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167905 << and did he immediately sack the comissioner of police ?
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 20:05:17; ascii_field: trinque: always wanted to try this, but never came close to accessing the dope
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167889 << and suddenly another utility of crate of benjies becomes apparent.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167881 << so did the gal visiting last night...
shinohai: Then once I figure out how to produce these hallucinogenic effects at will in my mind, I shall sell the secrets on Agora and dry it all up.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 19:53:19; nubbins`: unfortunately mp just left so he is unable to inform us that the hallucinogenic effects of drugs don't exist and we're deluding ourselves into pretending to be hallucinating
funkenstein_ considers bitaddress.org + coinb.in on offline box the reference wallet
mircea_popescu: it'd be nice if the reference client provided this, however, what with thew "accounts" bullshit and etc in there, i doubt it'll be this decade.
mircea_popescu: sooner or later everyone ends up with a full bitcoin data manipulator built in their favourite language, python or not.
mod6: in the case of pywallet.py, it looks like you just have to --dumpwallet, instead of being able to feed it a pub address and getting out a privkey right?
mod6: anyway, I haven't had a chance yet to try out the pywallet.py thing myself; ascii_field lettuce know if it works for ya plz.
mod6: ascii_field tried last night to backport 'dumpprivkey' and 'importprivkey' from phoundation-0.7 and found that relevant data structures are entirely different << yeah, i found the same thing back 5-6 months ago when trying to do the same thing. glad there seems to be a workaround, i'm told.
mircea_popescu: they keep pretending like oh, the miners bla bla. nobody, ever, actually used the shit raw. because you can't, because obvious reasons.
mircea_popescu: seriously, anyone gives a shit abvout what you release ? as anything other than toilet reading material ? when did that happen ?
mircea_popescu: kind-of why the blind insistence / pretense put forth by the power rangers is so amusing to me
ascii_field: iirc there was an external kludge that walked db ?
ascii_field: also how the fuck did anyone use bitcoin for serious battlefield operation prior to dump-/importprivkey ?
mircea_popescu: yes, this is why 0.7 was right off when we discussed the branch
menahem: i'll def take some responsibility to fund that in the future.
menahem: we had 1 sale of the MP tee :D
assbot: Why calling the Charleston shooting terrorism is important to so many people - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnvSR0 )
trinque: https://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8803721/charleston-terrorism-racism << quick on the draw, aren't they?
mircea_popescu: what's the metric ? something.
jurov: heh. so they should be striked out of gun violence stats, got it
mats: protect kids from their parents, mostly
ascii_field: what purpose is served by 'bolt separately' other than to satisfy inspectors ?
ascii_field: why not keep white flag instead of rifle then ?
ascii_field: and you keep the bolt out?
mats: usg is the only actor id be worried about breaching my home
ascii_field: mats: try to think like usg. police show up, you are alive and slum bunny is dead. prosecutor: 'proof that he had the bolt in. otherwise he oughta be dead.'
mats: not hard to detect an intruder, and there are easy ways to fashion fatal funnels to defender's advantage
ascii_field: mats: do you at least have a bayonet? or plan to bludgeon intruder with the butt of the bolt-less rifle ?
mats: am a fan of locking and storing the bolt carrier group and actual weapon separately
assbot: A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gnr4uX )
mats: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189
BingoBoingo: tldr: Pool implements a replace by fee patch, derps herp because it means People can double spend before the transaction is committed to a block!
assbot: Avoid F2Pool: They are incompetent ,reckless and greedy! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lk4pXF )
BingoBoingo: Derps herping because they don't know what Bitcoin is https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3aenx0/avoid_f2pool_they_are_incompetent_reckless_and/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
wyrdmantis: I was asked if there is a "defense" plan to "isolate" the Bitcoin XT nodes or something similar. I thought this is a non-issue for you guys...
assbot: The Boswell Sisters - Stop the sun, stop the moon (1932).wmv - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SuR14a )
mats: there's a much bigger emphasis on subtlety thats often misinterpreted as blandness by foreigners whose palettes are accustomed to american chinese food
mats: with the real, high quality stuff, can eat it plain
mats: i'd say its subtle rather than bland
cazalla: mats, not so much the texture but the taste.. it's just bland (or maybe i've only ever had shitty tofu)
punkman: even the asian imports guy around here doesn't carry tofu, dunno why
mats: is it the texture that you don't like about tofu?
cazalla: rather use something like beans or lentils