asciilifeform: funkenstein_: read the naggum piece again.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: my nodes are actually failing to connect to either IP
pete_dushenski: as such, torvalds won't direct his unpaid armadas towards anything like the targets and projects that mp will.
asciilifeform: the original generation of 'computers are interesting and we know basic maths, etc' grew old, mostly did not die yet except in ben franklin's sense of 'most people die at 25 but buried at 75'
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"
pete_dushenski: well you're far from thick and not all that coloured, but the implication is that for an organisation as ambitious as this one, our enemies have their work cut out for them.
asciilifeform: colour me thick, but i still don't feel like i have a grasp of the implications.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: torvalds might do just that if he saw the value of such a calculation and understood the implications
asciilifeform: of how many armadas could have been bought with the money he never had to pay
asciilifeform: just pointing out that herr torvalds could run the same kind of calculation, and end up with similarly fantastic numbers
pete_dushenski: we're mentally tallying 'the state's' revenues vs. expenses
pete_dushenski: like the deficits that we can run, no one else can do.
pete_dushenski: the digital domain being quite a different landscape from the concentration camps, i suspect it's entirely possible.
funkenstein_: at least from the histories i have read
funkenstein_: that's the one
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: this'd be the thesis that family men have too much to lose to wage war ?
funkenstein_: as someone who spend fathers day cleaning shit off lightbulbs, i look forward to the opportunity to disprove the thesis
pete_dushenski: there most certainly are.
pete_dushenski: it's *all* the zulu had
asciilifeform: (there were occasions where zulu - won! but notice we have a britain today, shrivelled cock and all, but still on the map; but no zulu)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: re: spandrell and courage: think about the soviet propagandists' exhortation to 'go kill a german with your bare hands.' was it this that won the war? or also other things, like supply lines from factories set up in open air past urals, etc. ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: seems like a tricky and rather specific detail to unearth about treblinka. may be apocryphal ?
BingoBoingo: A couple years later I was at a conference I wanted to nope the fuck out of, had one left in my grooming package. Challenged the up escalator and lost. Thankfully my (actual) sherpa kept me from falling in the Chicago river
trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah I took some for the hell of it
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: that they were men is no surprise of any kind. but the detail i recall was that they were men who either had no wife, no sister, in the camp (or knew that these were safely dead)
BingoBoingo: trinque: The cognitive impairment if I remember correctly is at least equivalent to 750ml of 80 proof liquor
trinque: and other hilarious nonsense
BingoBoingo: If in bed immediately after ambien... much sleep. Problem is I developed tolerance to the stuff rapidly.
asciilifeform: destroy the extermination area; and, then help the remaining prisoners escape to the forest. Many were killed during the rebellion, including all the resistance leaders, as the flames and reports of the revolt brought German reinforcements from all directions. But as many as 200 prisoners escaped to the neighboring forest, and perhaps twenty of those men survived German efforts to recapture them.'
asciilifeform: 'At Treblinka, an underground organization plotted an armed rebellion and mass escape. Learning about the Warsaw ghetto revolt from the last transports of Jews brought to Treblinka from Warsaw, the organizers decided the moment for revolt had arrived. On August 2, 1943, the underground fighters put their plan into action: to steal arms from the warehouse; eliminate the German and Ukrainian guards on duty; set the camp on fire;
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Mostly it triggered some interesting visual things and a profound compromise in judgement equivalent to a fifth of bourbon, but without the other tell tale warnings actual booze would offer.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: ah yes, this rings a bell now. probably from the logs.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: my recollection (ru sources) is that treblinka was the site of one of the very few uprisings on account of the participants in said uprising having already lost their women
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: for translation purposes : french and spanish. the romanian bits i do, awful as they are, are only because mp authored them.
BingoBoingo was prescribed Ambien to sleep in Undergrad. Made the mistake of taking before getting last cigarette of the evening. Ambien can trigger some odd things.
asciilifeform: ^ this re: the quoted thread with spandrell
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski ought to write a piece on the uprising at treblinka.
asciilifeform will catch up on dope when he is finally confined to the психушка
pete_dushenski: robotrip sounds like robocop come back from the dead as a walking zombie
pete_dushenski: ambien "It is a short-acting nonbenzodiazepine hypnotic of the imidazopyridine class[3] that potentiates GABA, an inhibitory neurotransmitter, by binding to GABAA receptors at the same location as benzodiazepines.[4] It works quickly, usually within 15 minutes, and has a short half-life of two to three hours."
BingoBoingo: Consider college towns. Local population of students who want a seedbox for torrents who can't on the campus network because of network restrictions on. Just need any box they can ftp into.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 'Sorry, hun, doesnt work like that. That was the Ambien you took.' << is this the new substitute for lsd ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who said it wins? I'm merely suggesting it could take in more dollars than expended. At the moment McDonalds is losing.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nice job ? y'know i'm taller than that guy ;) though i can see the similarity
pete_dushenski: cazalla: i'm seeing the comment. also, replied. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/19/epidemiology-is-hard-to-follow/#comment-21039
BingoBoingo: But the franchise model was suggested for a reason. When dealing with homo reddictus must put meatshield up to absorb derp.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that'd easily fit half a dozen of, e.g., these, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162727
BingoBoingo: AH, in this region there is not such a deal I can drive to. A bring the box colo costs $70 USD for 1 rack unit
asciilifeform: and how does it beat the 20-30bux/mo an old pentium3 in data center costs?
BingoBoingo: to host three machines in different locals for the price of one machine in a big city datacenter
BingoBoingo: USG datacenters 10 miles away in Marion, IL off of the pipe path because prisons and FBU
BingoBoingo: Prime candidate for such an operation is carbondale, Illinois. Lived there once. Oasis of connectivity in a desert. Major chicago-New Orleans pipe. Indianapolis pipe. St Louis pipe. Shithole Kentucky pipes. Many hippies who want to "buy local"
asciilifeform: incidentally, just about every american town of any size has a version of this: the hollowed-out fortified walls of the old strowger-switch telco exchanges
BingoBoingo: A number of these fucktowns even have major connection endpoints in the form of bezzelversities
asciilifeform: they probably have cable in cement vault
asciilifeform: desovietization will leave those folks where they belong - with highest tech level available being the hog harness
asciilifeform: usa is a shit-internet country. this won't change because there is no good reason for it to change
BingoBoingo: And now we have the real crux of the problem. How to get chumps to subsidize serious pipe
BingoBoingo: AirBNB the datacenter
BingoBoingo: Which is the beauty of this idea. Find folk who would sell fractional rackspace
asciilifeform: (typically they go by full rack)
BingoBoingo: Other maybe applications of such service though might be IRC bouncers and personal mail machines
BingoBoingo: Actually this idea was born from I have phree machine, want to appliance it up with Bitcoind, but making it a super public seeder on the home connection would be the suck.
asciilifeform: what, other than bitcoind, would you even consider putting on such a thing
asciilifeform: if the past 40 years of computer retardation hadn't happened, and we used a stack with support for seamless process migration, 'voting circuit' computation, etc. it would be practical to use '1024 chickens' arrays of arbitrarily garbage hardware
BingoBoingo: Revenue source for franchisee is setting up machines, collecting rent, and selling good feels to the locals
BingoBoingo: Major revenue source for mothership is selling the franchisees laptop cages, cooling, and FeNi batteries
asciilifeform: vendor very much did not like (2) and they closed the hole which made reflashing the rom trivial. now you have to actually open the plastic box, oh noez.
asciilifeform: as result, the only folks who bought were 1) chumps 2) people who wanted to make own 'stingray'
asciilifeform: btw, my local telco quasimonopoly - 'verizon' - had a hilarious tamer version of this for some years, where you pay a few hundy for a box that opens a vpn to their end and gives you cell signal in your house, via your own net pipe. and they had the audacity to still charge for the 'minutes' and per MB of data.
BingoBoingo: Seriously, this has all the promise of a great chumpatron except every now and then a customer does something worthwhile
asciilifeform: so he would share with ~some other schmuck's~ netflix ?
BingoBoingo: Typical imagined customer is small business that wants to support other local business. Connosieur customer wants access to pipe without fucking up their netflix at home.
BingoBoingo: Point for the customers is access to pipe and power off of their own premises. Physical security offered against naive scavengers, but premise could scale to hundreds of locations. Cheap and easily replicable
asciilifeform: (machine includes vibration, ph, sensors, clinometer, magnetometer, etc. if readings deviate from 'pylon is happily alone in the earth' memory gets zeroed and walked over, continuously)
asciilifeform: see the literature.
asciilifeform: (it is possible to break up cement, but not without anyone noticing. this is the basic principle for the nuke test-ban compliance gadget used on both sides of the ocean)
asciilifeform: whole point would be the physical security of a few metres of cement
asciilifeform: if box is easily accessible, 'skin not worth the tanning'
BingoBoingo: customer brings boxen, pay setup then power+pipe. Value proposition to franchisees is small town computer outfit gets an avenue to engage in rent collection.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but I'm thinking you do so by getting machines from the customers.
asciilifeform: (not because valuable, but because copper scavengers need to be publicly flayed rather than encouraged)
asciilifeform: but in such a way that the box lives out its remaining life, rather than being lifted by the first idiot copper scavenger who comes along.
asciilifeform: nah, you want to take serious advantage of the expendability
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking more steel sheds, rural locations that happen to be near interections of big city fiber. Prospective franchisees would be the local small town "computer repair" folk
asciilifeform: though i still like my proposal for sinking miners to the bottom of the north atlantic, more.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Individual enclosures, one time setup fee which covers adapting the machine to its new cooling and power situation
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes was there, saw this
asciilifeform: perhaps bury them in the earth (with chimneys for hot air.) sorta like the tombs in recoleta cemetary in buenos aires
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pre-emplaced in sand pits and fused mains wiring, for the inevitable halt&catchfire ?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 02:00:31; ben_vulpes: are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 01:59:36; ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << i have a hunch we're going to see approximately the same ratio in irc
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171397 << mno. if it's in the channel, it is a live pre-gavin node (OR crafted impostor...)
trinque eyeballs the big chinese mining farms
ben_vulpes: maybe its the best busines for pillaging some specific kinds of subsidies?
ben_vulpes: (or so it seems from the outside).
ben_vulpes: mining is the worst business.
ben_vulpes: moreover i'm not convinced it wasn't a stooge who broadcast the RBF txn to make the tweet in the first place
asciilifeform: btw, one of the (not so) secrets is that mining does not select for 'the brightest bulbs at home depot [u.s. household goods shop]' - nor for political acumen, nor for really much else other than the peculiar countereconomic wormholes which make it sound like a reasonable proposition
ben_vulpes: clearly don't understand how theWerld Werks (tm)
asciilifeform: i can picture the minutes. 'hitler: you know, miners are using own versions of bitcoin and don't particular feel like backporting their necessary mods to yours. hearn: so let's do the work for them. gavin: fine idea'
BingoBoingo: on the same inputs
ben_vulpes: convention for a long time was that "the earliest broadcast transaction wins" as some sort of half-assed soft-connsensus-aka-fecal-matter prophylactic against double spends
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's basically just Peter Todd made the first public code available to do this
ben_vulpes: it is in no way to the best of my knowledge a change in anything of import
BingoBoingo: The Tood thing works through pure profit incentive
ben_vulpes: broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hearn and Co are pushing some derp where "Those Bitcoins are yours even before the transaction is mined" idiocies
asciilifeform does not, sadly, have time to personally follow all of the crackpotteries
BingoBoingo: "AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Todd replace by fee patch is probably derp to hell, but it leads to some of the best Hearnia trolling outside this channel https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/612780261109960704
ben_vulpes: same is true for the major haskell shops.
asciilifeform: http://franz.com/success << claimed endorsements. notably absent from list is usg, who i have strong reasons to believe is the main buyer.
asciilifeform: (very confusingly, there was also a 'franz lisp')
asciilifeform: which was the subject here
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: ~nothing whatsoever~ to do with allegro common lisp (franz inc.)
thestringpuller: http://alleg.sourceforge.net/ << asciilifeform is the 2nd result from google, assuming you guise are talking about lisp
asciilifeform and has used allegro, and knows that it is, overall, superior in every way (but this) to the available alternatives
fartacus: but I bet it's sexy under the hood
fartacus: thing wasn't even showing chan text without switching out of and back into the buffer
fartacus: ben_vulpes: this beirc seems like another one of those "hey cool, made something that works in clim. I think I'll go get a job now" projects
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170972 << btw, anybody got a handy link to what precisely generates the message seen here ?
BingoBoingo: At least will find nice headlights in the header
ben_vulpes: you'll not find much in there.
asciilifeform reads the latest two articles from ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: no, i noticed the snip. i figured smarts were involves.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: be so kind as to try an experiment. ping the box whose hostname i snipped out. notice - not same ip. replace ip in irc.cpp with this. then run.
ben_vulpes: the irc "logic" is mind-numbingly dumb
asciilifeform: trinque: that's what the shears are for
trinque: or at least they're leaking through
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 02:05:08; mircea_popescu: chrome is seriously taking over the internets.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171410 << 'chrome' (or, more practically, the open-source trimmable version 'chromium') is the only remaining graphical browser for unixlikes that isn't screamingly retarded
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Looks like the original 160 GB hard drive. I'll probably end up applicancing it into a node
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i see in the logs where you had a node fail to snarf seed from the old irc
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Have yet another new-old machine
mircea_popescu: yeah. the previous buzzword wankatron
trinque: and they say progress is dead
mircea_popescu: minus side, nothing other than crimeware's worth doing anymore.
mats: plus side, crimeware never escapes the sandbox.
trinque: an answer to the app store thing from google
trinque: read some article where they said this is *precisely* what WebAssembly is
trinque: rather than competing with microsoft or apple in the OS space, they just snuck their way in with their own OS
mircea_popescu: we're getting another microsoft over here.
mircea_popescu: chrome is seriously taking over the internets.
ben_vulpes: that one on the list?
mircea_popescu: replace the file where bitcoin saves its nodes with your own preference.
ben_vulpes: are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << i have a hunch we're going to see approximately the same ratio in irc
mod6: the skirts could have a quick "clasp" or some sort of attachment mechinism to keep hands free while cart-wheeling.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i still dunno what event to do next for eulora.
mircea_popescu: they'd need special "always ready" cartwheel gloves
mod6: girls would have to do cart-wheels to get to a ball on the otherside of the court as opposed to running.
mod6: yeah, that shoes might be the problem. but... war is hell.
mircea_popescu: mod6 and the thing is, that arrangement'd pretty much kill anyone but a young woman.
mircea_popescu: cazalla the problem with her is that no tits. if she had d+ knockers the ribcage'd be a +
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i mean something like this where you see the rib cage under the titties http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/29/2451CDB900000578-2890613-image-m-146_1419893680953.jpg
mircea_popescu: i guarantee you nobody's saying anything to the slutennis champ but "ma'am"
mircea_popescu: people^H preachin' retards keep getting in the way of women doing the soirt of shit that'd make them awesome.
mircea_popescu: ribs are notbad either.
cazalla: if i can see ribs when she reaches for the sky, she needs a good meal before we bang
ben_vulpes: mod6: everything up through thermonyuuke
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes just looks at hostnames from /who list and spams them
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7wczaIQqx1ryqodxo1_1280.jpg << here's the famous hyperborean stone whale. speshul for cazalla
ben_vulpes: now i have to load the IRC protocol up into my head to figure out precisely how it's derivsupposed to turn IRC connections into peers
ben_vulpes: on the topic of the cost of complexity tossed in because someone doesn't understand things
ben_vulpes: not much useful. standard boot up and then silence.
mircea_popescu: what's in the log ?
ben_vulpes: anyways these newly muntzed nodes dun wanna connect to anything off of irc
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Palintology&page=2 | It is believed they held a peculiarly close relationship with the species vulpes ... A mindset which doesn't allow someone to stop saying the same things over and ...
mircea_popescu: "i'm the live terrorist, mutha! PEW PEW PEW!!!"
mircea_popescu: not the dead terrorist i hope ?
ben_vulpes: either way, no
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/26_just-another-day-in-sunny-cascadia.html << nice job.
mircea_popescu: myeah. it just doesn't wash, half the "expert" population of c-ers doesn't actually comprehend c string safety
ben_vulpes: the most elaborate programming exercise - write something world-changing in a style nobody would ever attribute to you
ben_vulpes: does argue for a rather sophisticated greybeard
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and yet, author knows enough to use strprintf rather than any other of the countless vulnerable c string things
mircea_popescu: it doth not have the great degree of generality that a good exercise makes.
mircea_popescu: help people learn the shit you use makes more people use the shit you use makes you less likely to have to learn shit other people use.
mircea_popescu: (and no, i'm not an exception - i have to have the chicks pick up chicks for me!)
ben_vulpes: the cover
mircea_popescu: because it had to be different from the -h convention
mircea_popescu: ./proggy -? << iirc this is the old ms-dos standard.
SuchWow: BOTTOMS UP! CHEERS! KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT MEN! AND WOMEN! AND OTHERS! SEE YOU IN 2016 WHEN THIS SHIT GETS SUPER REAL :D
mircea_popescu: Bitcoind as written would be the best possible example of condescending software design if it were worthy of being called "designed" instead of "crufted together by a monotonically increasingly febrile group of contributors". << i can sign that.
mircea_popescu: "Even though the application's default behavior is to create the ~/.bitcoind directory itself unprompted (and yet not the bitcoin.conf file that the damn thing expects in there), if you pass it a data directory that doesn't exist, it refuses to create it."
SuchWow: Anyhow, it's been a pleasure speaking with you all, and should I ever quit my job and start daytrading BTC/USD fulltime again, I will return. I will give back the last 2 minutes I have of being 'upped' to the floor. :)
SuchWow: i ofc assume that sentimentality on btc prices affects the securities tradded with it lol
mircea_popescu: then go through these phases of he's kidding no wait, wait, i recall this. but it couldn't be. o yes it is.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i just keep forgetting the horrest parts of bitcoin
SuchWow: hence why i was curious as to the general sentiment here
mircea_popescu: "main calls AppInit, which itself calls AppInit2 catching all exceptions in two seperate logic branches, shuting itself down if the second layer of AppInit doesn't fire correctly:"
SuchWow: i think nobody knows the answer to my question lol
ben_vulpes: by the time the usg realizes that there's a btc-shaped train headed its way it will be too late for it to do anything.
mircea_popescu: SuchWow nobody asked them anything.
ben_vulpes: SuchWow: you volunteering to summarize the court's proceedings?
SuchWow: be published in the weekly journal or whatev
SuchWow: when will the bitcoin regs
mircea_popescu: gavin got shot in the head, cusipzzz got exposed
SuchWow: anyhow i'll poof after the up goes down
ben_vulpes: oh yeah mp lost the berkshire bet
mircea_popescu: there's actually a LOT
mircea_popescu: nbews in past 6 months : s.mpoe almost went to shit but recovered, i lost the berkshire bet, s.mg launched eulora, s.nsa's phuctor delivered 60 or so broken rsa moduli
mod6: check out the /topic & read at least 6 months of logs.
SuchWow: again, it was just the spam that made me come back and say hi :)
SuchWow: and then all this doge shit started up
SuchWow: upon joining, i asked what the current sentiment of btc was here
SuchWow: one of your 'members' spammed an ad in another chan to join here
SuchWow: without these things lol
SuchWow: I'm the touchy one? LOL!!
cazalla: there is no hostility, you're just a little touchy
williamdunne: SuchWow: You mentioned the dogecoin thing, I also assumed you're still involved
SuchWow: the rest wqas you
SuchWow: cazalla: there you go again. Why do you think i am involved with dogecoin?
mircea_popescu: lol what, the proposition is that dogecoin still exists ?!
SuchWow: and i l ike to trade 796 at 50:1 instead of playing poker these days
cazalla: SuchWow, you're the one that said check out the charts.. i did and btc38 is supposedly 85% of the dogecoin trade
SuchWow: and said 'hey, why not see what they'er up to'
ben_vulpes: we're all complicit in the altcoin pump and dump nao!
SuchWow: i just saw one of your 'members' spamming in another chan
ben_vulpes: we all do is the funny part
SuchWow: is the bullshit part
ben_vulpes: > doesn't bother me
SuchWow: doesn't bother me at all tho tbh