mircea_popescu: chetty oh, and no "access control" either. as late as 1988 you cvould just fucking WALK INTO the super-secret-only-not-military-because-the-smart-kids-hated-corporals itci
williamdunne: Jesus Christ though, when I met the person at the bank I'd been working with for the past few months though..
williamdunne: The women in Romania were beautiful, but I think Czech Republic had it beat out
ascii_field: i.e. having to be in the same elevator as those people.
ascii_field: ~that~ kind of 'specialized' can go straight to the biodiesel pot, yes
mircea_popescu: fuck you then.
ascii_field re: yeast laugh: graps that mircea_popescu is speaking the basic frustration of every polymath on planet 3 when confronting numbskulls
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> something about the lock not being bsd or what was it << lol :D
mircea_popescu: i have no doubt it is essentially correct, which is why i speak for isis more than i speak for the usg.
mircea_popescu: im not talking, previously, against specialisation in the anti intellectual, acultural manner you seem to have taken in.
mircea_popescu: just how fucking hard is it to speak another's language ?
mircea_popescu: except this time, re the west.
mircea_popescu: you recall the amply discussed "soviet realisation". the funny thing is, those people's sons had... a very similar realisation.
mircea_popescu: up until that point, the big reveal (for him), where he discovers that his inferiority complex to "civilisation" is unfounded.
mircea_popescu: it demands an explanation. WHY is it that the brit can't talk to the other ? he DID actually come in peace.
ascii_field: is this yet another 'humans good, orcs bad' yarn
mircea_popescu: and the russian tries to talk to the brit. plainly, man to man. it involves some kickjumps in the vegetation. the other backs off like a cat from a calendar.
mircea_popescu: and there's a most endeering scheme where he and the current guy his girl is ... with, let's say, walk in the woods.
mircea_popescu: the way this movie is generally perceived is "oh, russian mob and mail order bride scam". nothing of the kind. the russian boy is pretty much playing it by the ear,
mircea_popescu: an excelent film, see it sometime. the plot is that a russian whore (which just means woman in her 20s) sells herself off to an english eunuch
mircea_popescu: given the lure of exotism, the only stable result here is where australia is a terrorist regime and all the guys sit around discussing immigration reform.
mircea_popescu: then a kid from australia comes by, wants to play tennis, and well... none of the boys can play. because... mind you... not their speciality.
mircea_popescu: at which point, guy specializes, and takes rachel. another guy, coming later, takes hanna. for less effort, but lesser pickings. and so with everyone.
thestringpuller: what about guy who is on all the teams?
mircea_popescu: a decade passes, and the thirteen year old is confronted with the sad circumstance that hanna likes basketball players and rachel likes football players, and to become either you gotta talk to the respective coach, and the coach says you gotta spend all your time practicing. well... he can't readily spend all his time twice over.
mircea_popescu: guy is 3. he is easily the equal of anything life throws his way. master of his destiny, the three year old roars.
mircea_popescu: ok. lety's walk through the path.
mircea_popescu: to their waiter - which they don't have - to their doctor - which idem - to their life, whatever it means, they're interchangeable.
ascii_field: can we distinguish shit from shinola, even if only to the extend of admitting the existence of shinola ?
mircea_popescu: they're all specialists, and all in something else.
mircea_popescu: then you get jwz's all over.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: closer to 2 on avg.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu might be a fan of the famous heinlein quote re: specialization ?
mircea_popescu: but i have some, however marginal, hope - that by the time i actually do, one might actually exist.
ascii_field: lucky then, that mircea_popescu did not need a doctor.
mircea_popescu: something about the lock not being bsd or what was it
mircea_popescu: i dunno... iirc mod6 couldn't get the laptop to open last i saw him :D
ascii_field: iirc both have programmed for money their whole lives
ascii_field: and these are supposed to be folks with 'only general sense of sanity' ?
mircea_popescu: no, the two would pointedly NOT know it.
mircea_popescu: clearly only two out of the five are human.
mircea_popescu: nonspecialisation would be strictly a better outcome. the only problem with it is that it relies on falsifying the "we are all human" dogma.
ascii_field: then i ask mircea_popescu, as best proof of this conjecture, to supply two people who know arse from elbow re: therealbitcoin from this pool
mircea_popescu: i propose to you that a team of two people selected from five that are only informed in general computer sanity can produce in the same time better software than the sum of all five, each schooled in one specialisation : sysadmin, webdev, db management, ux and marketing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to formalize a positive form for this, not merely the negative :
mircea_popescu: doubt the comparison "more pashtun than x" can be declared in scopes where nobody's killed anyone for honor.,
mircea_popescu: adults do this sometimes with children, pretend-give them things to motivate them "for their own good".
mircea_popescu: bezzle at the core.
mircea_popescu: not more necessary than the goods it actually provides are.
mircea_popescu: specialisation is not the unilaterally superlative good it is presented as.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he was not ever, afaik, a puffer fish, either
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:11:04; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171997 << it is my considered view that naggum got out of the game the only way he knew how...
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172097 << on this matter there can scarcely be any debate.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:10:38; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171994 << but how, precisely, was herr naggum to get out of it? recall, he did not spend whole life in one country - was in usa for most of the upper '90s
mircea_popescu: but a) it all lasted as long as the sputnik and b) i forget what i wanted to be b.
mircea_popescu: and yes by 1955ish they were almost on par with the post-war us, on accounts of not being saddled with the baby bloomers.
mircea_popescu: yes, by 44 they were doing okay, as far as everyone in europe was doing ok after five years of war.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:05:29; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171972 << i find it smashingly hilarious that everyone today seems to still be buying that particular bit of wartime engineered psychosis. the 'fighting without pants, one rifle for three men' thing 100% lines up with the '41-'42 period when su was having the shit kicked out of it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172085 <<< i was discussing the 38-43ish period.
mircea_popescu: alrightythen
ascii_field: and the result posted to ml
ascii_field: will build it there as soon as the last round of amputation, referenced earlier, is complete
mircea_popescu: well if you get it to run, identical instances can be spun up, so. there is that.
mircea_popescu: but! if you're willing to go into the grease, s.nsa server can be the first of those three.
mircea_popescu: the targed is something like what was done for eulora.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: do you presently have a system where the thing builds ?
mircea_popescu: so maybe the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes.
mircea_popescu: can you discern from whence you sit if the following is a possible explanation : you got now and again (rarely) a peer, which gave you its lists of peers, which is how you actually synced.
ascii_field: as the thing (mostly) died
ascii_field: (terminated through no fault of their own, simply because wanted to start from scratch when testing patches)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field iirc the problem was something about how /who flooded the client. so they made a limit so it only shows 100 entries
ascii_field: one full sync and several partial (into the high 200k's)
mircea_popescu: can you say, count all the peers you ever got off irc ?
mircea_popescu: (peer over irc acquisition never worked worth a shit - the reason it was moved off freenode for instance is that it needed a special ircd to have even a vague chance)
mircea_popescu: they seem utterly dead.
ascii_field: in other 'news', it's been what, ~7 years, and libpng thing is ~still~ biting
mircea_popescu: mostly on account of their "pros" consisting of NOT being sexually enthusiastic, and imagining that they can substitute self importance for it.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 09:30:38; cazalla: meh i won't begrudge her for 10m views, prob far more than some mainstream pros get these days
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 19:47:39; ascii_field: in unrelated observation, there exists (nor, afaik has ever existed) an eeprom burner with true linux support.
ascii_field: in other news, re: old thread ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162224 ) i found an eeprom burner with acceptable (reverse-engineered) linux support: 'minipro' by autoelectric corp. (cn)
jurov: guess they don't care about that
williamdunne: kakobrekla: It's a very informal system they have
jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/protocol.cpp#0203 << looks like it's checked against this and used if passes, otherwise ignored
jurov: ben_vulpes they may use getpeerinfo(sock) instead
ben_vulpes: jurov: so nodes on the other end of the connection don't actually use the IP sent in the message protocol?
ben_vulpes: shitting in the corner?
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 03:27:06; mod6: who knows why satoshi put that in there. i kinda find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have understood IP headers. perhaps he was trying to ensure that every connecting node was indeed a real host, not some spoofed packet magic.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:22; ben_vulpes: the wot lives and dies by identity, so you'll not have one of those either.
ascii_field: punkman: cray-I and many other machines of the period were built in precisely that way.
jurov: how i misread the log: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: Individual enclosures, one time setup fee with cadavers adapting the machine to its new cooling and power situation
williamdunne: Everyone has their price
williamdunne: For the right price, yeah I'd get nekkid on camera
kakobrekla: as the ts guise
williamdunne: What are your fees to the models?
Drhelmut: was on the reddit hotpage when it was out
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172185 < lol yeah they are about the same... btw charlie has net in jail??
punkman: "discuss trading" << I don't get why this would be desirable, beyond telling each other "o hey buttstamp book crossed again"
williamdunne: Teamspeak isn't for one-on-one communication and some of the traders there are high volume
ben_vulpes: what does herr kraken think about the blocksize change?
ben_vulpes: i live and die by asynchronous comms, so i'll not be there.
ben_vulpes: moreover, how do i know it's actually either of the entities in question and not impersonators?
ben_vulpes: the guy who rolled over for the feds and the feds pet exchangemaker they couldn't even pay?
Drhelmut: we're just offering the place for people to discuss
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: the mpcdot is hilarious
williamdunne: For what its worth, I enjoyed the teamspeak
chetty: teamspeak? eew why would one want to have people talking at you all the time?
Drhelmut: lol, have you already been there?
williamdunne: Someone else trying to join #b-a, me and DPB were walking them through it
assbot: Transphobic admin should be removed from website - Their posting careers! - My Posting Career ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGYUzo )
asciilifeform: jungle, islands are waiting for thestringpuller.
thestringpuller: hobo is a phenomenon of the city imo. if forced to be homeless I'd rather be homeless in a jungle or some deserted island and learn to survive there rather than in a city.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: to paraphrase herr trotsky on war, 'you may not be interested in life as a hobo, but life as a hobo is interested in you'
asciilifeform: http://cdn5.img.sputniknews.com/images/101561/27/1015612776.jpg << another 'choice' naggum didn't much care for
mats: on the other hand, i'm mentally preparing myself for a dive into the dumpster in a few short years
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3103356827666810@naggum.no.html << re: the particular kind of intellectual rape that naggum had his fill of, before deciding that he'd like to put an ocean between himself and 'silicon valley'
mats: man had some profound sense that he was not a slave like the rest of us
asciilifeform: mats: that herr naggum 'did not want to live' is profoundly obvious from the manner in which he died
asciilifeform: and did not care for the blunt knives mandatorily issued to tards
mats: he didn't want to live badly enough, then.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that he didn't want to work with the profoundly retarded on retarded things
asciilifeform: mats: notice that he did not stay there. and, though all i have to work with is his writings, i believe i've a good handle on ~why~
mats: i vaguely recall Naggum swimming in SF bay... there is more than one bezzlatron to be had
asciilifeform: go, eat. it's still there.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:30:48; mircea_popescu: otherwise, they WILL scam you more than you scam them, and you end up with a hole in your gut. one should not visit the anthill unless one's either an anteater or equipped as one.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171997 << it is my considered view that naggum got out of the game the only way he knew how...
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:28:36; mircea_popescu: he was an idiot for not understanding he is going into it, and for not acting accordingly, but most of all for misrepresenting the sordid state of affairs as a) civilised and b) a fact of life.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171994 << but how, precisely, was herr naggum to get out of it? recall, he did not spend whole life in one country - was in usa for most of the upper '90s
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:28:09; mircea_popescu: naggum could not keep up WITH THIS. with the threadmill of sublimated violence that is the bezzle.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171993 << well yes, the 'expense of civilized life' ~is~ 'treadmill'
asciilifeform: yes, it was necessary. to buy time for the conveyors to start up.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:16:41; mircea_popescu: what supply lines, are you fucking kidding me ? the orcs fought the war in borrowed pants.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171972 << i find it smashingly hilarious that everyone today seems to still be buying that particular bit of wartime engineered psychosis. the 'fighting without pants, one rifle for three men' thing 100% lines up with the '41-'42 period when su was having the shit kicked out of it.
ben_vulpes: proxy from the network proper into irc.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:05:32; mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "using the bus instead of owning a car is a killer security feature, because a) if someone wants to piss in your seat they don't know which seat you will take (you're of course still open to sitting in a pool of urine that nobody intended for you particularly) and if the ny dept of idiocy decides to make the seats smaller and affix dongs, you get smaller seats and a dong up your a
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171876 << the 'address space randomization' thing is precisely 'teacher's condom' (as depicted in comic, https://xkcd.com/463 )
asciilifeform: it does appear to follow from this discovery that: the other side is paying attention...
ben_vulpes: (remind me again why all these bdb files are necessary?)
punkman: "Poole said that one neighbor using self-driving technology downloaded a software update that disabled his tractor for a week in the middle of planting season this spring. If a system is working, farmers will often hold off on updates rather than risk complications"
cazalla: meh i won't begrudge her for 10m views, prob far more than some mainstream pros get these days
cazalla: to think indiancandy could've accumulated a similar amount of views if she only didn't piss around paying people to promote her instagram and got her clothes off willingly
punkman: maybe their paid stuff converts well though
cazalla: i imagine the tube sites are just a means to funnel people to their pay sites but 10 million views sounds better to the reddit crowd
punkman: "If you record yourselves getting sexy whilst watching a video of yourselves getting it on while you are also watching a video of yourselves getting jiggy, then you can call it Cum-ception for the slam dunk of porn pun movies."
cazalla: well she claims she and her partner are making more doing porn than their old jobs
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:43:53; pete_dushenski: cazalla: your most recent contravex comment did auto-approve. not sure why it might've appeared otherwise on your end.
punkman: that cover is probably the best thing about it
mircea_popescu: still exhibit vanity, in a laughable degree hard to put into words. worms, whose lives consist of being generally too low to piss on, think of their "moral responsibility".
mircea_popescu: these abject nobodies, everything they thought they knew having not merely failed, but having been well proven to have failed beyond the shadowest shadow of a doubt,
mircea_popescu: otherwise, they WILL scam you more than you scam them, and you end up with a hole in your gut. one should not visit the anthill unless one's either an anteater or equipped as one.
mircea_popescu: you have no business sitting at the poker table unless you intend to bluff, and you have no business living in norway unless you have a clear scam to apply to the government in mind.
mircea_popescu: he was an idiot for not understanding he is going into it, and for not acting accordingly, but most of all for misrepresenting the sordid state of affairs as a) civilised and b) a fact of life.
mircea_popescu: naggum could not keep up WITH THIS. with the threadmill of sublimated violence that is the bezzle.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 05:08:06; asciilifeform: that is, having four walls to sit in without strangers sharing the space, to eat real food, to sometimes visit doctors, etc
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171822 << mno. "that is, that once one agrees with the braindamaged pretense that 'end to violence', he is forced to hypocritically reintroduce violence in a very complex form, which reduces to the bezzle, or in carlin's words, 'everyone's quest to stick it to the other guy faster and deeper'. and so he accepts your 50x inflated carrots because he wants to sell you 67x in
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171800 << wait, you're actually discovering anything in the irc ?
mircea_popescu: now that we're here, the argument can be brought. before, no.
pete_dushenski: speaking of nothing, i've already dodged two of the four 'wedding bullets' between c4 and i. two scheduled for september already.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:41:08; asciilifeform: (there were occasions where zulu - won! but notice we have a britain today, shrivelled cock and all, but still on the map; but no zulu)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171747 << ask any of the women that either travel to zululand to be raped or out of there for lack of enthusiasm for the activity.
mircea_popescu: what supply lines, are you fucking kidding me ? the orcs fought the war in borrowed pants.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:40:08; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: re: spandrell and courage: think about the soviet propagandists' exhortation to 'go kill a german with your bare hands.' was it this that won the war? or also other things, like supply lines from factories set up in open air past urals, etc. ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171744 << it was the bare hands thing that won the war.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171476 << because parts are increasing in price ? i'm not seeing this with the w126. too many of them were produced, too many still on the road. parts are monumentally cheap.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171739 << riiight. maybe also figure out the patterns that make one go to heaven. go through the motions of being happy. play the harmonica, badly.
pete_dushenski just imagines white collar couple with bundle of female joy in tow citing such 'science' 'proving' the wisdom of their 'decision'
mircea_popescu: pretty much every failure of the us post gilded age can be traced to the losing of that battle. and no, giving women the vote was not a bad idea. great idea. but they should have burned the missionaries on a stake.
mircea_popescu: because they just so happened to have 0% survival changes in a bar, and ran churches.
mircea_popescu: they were engaged in a political battle, at hte time, because they didn't like that the men, congregating in bars, decided elections.
mircea_popescu: "You can predict the level of violence in an area just by looking at alcohol sales." << worst stupid ever.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:13:34; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nice job ? y'know i'm taller than that guy ;) though i can see the similarity
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171681 << how do you even tell how tall he is ? by comparing with the pins ?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:35:14; asciilifeform: (it is possible to break up cement, but not without anyone noticing. this is the basic principle for the nuke test-ban compliance gadget used on both sides of the ocean)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171598 << yes without anyone noticing. plants do it all the time. so do ants. so does water. trivial to design a bot that breaks up cement at the rate of a foot a year.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:31:44; asciilifeform: (not because valuable, but because copper scavengers need to be publicly flayed rather than encouraged)
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:07:57; asciilifeform: i can picture the minutes. 'hitler: you know, miners are using own versions of bitcoin and don't particular feel like backporting their necessary mods to yours. hearn: so let's do the work for them. gavin: fine idea'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171558 << this sounds a lot more professionally qualified than is the case. more like "i invented a novel inovative user-friendly streamlined buzzword-buzzword way to pick up aples : by their tail. can i has consulting gig ? watch my presentation on toilet paper theory."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171545 << it's a more complicated problem than it seems to be (mostly because of the short timeframe involved and the layered nature of the mempool) and the miners are more technologically inept than one'd expect.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: your most recent contravex comment did auto-approve. not sure why it might've appeared otherwise on your end.
mircea_popescu: some do, most don't, principally because it ain't worth the hassle.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:03:11; ben_vulpes: broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171531 << you will note miners can do this NOW if they feel like it. there's exactly zero need for peter todd or anyone else to be involved.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:01:25; BingoBoingo: "AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171526 << let's not get into which power rangers missed 5 btc because there's not poop on their magic markers.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Great piece on the Texas drama, congrats.
ben_vulpes: (i had an icecream today - thought of the various ice creams in bsas)
mircea_popescu: and by "it's dead" i mostly mean lfnet. nothing there.
mircea_popescu: plenty of dogecoin chans with 1 user, two full chans of namecoin, 180 users, and otherwise an endless parade of scamcoins omfg, i never heard of most of 'em.
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 16:53:02; mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box.
ben_vulpes: "stella", for a favorite kids book "stella luna", because the car is a batmobile.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it's okay, the toilet needs it.
ben_vulpes: i tried this with both the IP addr for lfnet in the satoshi codebase and also the ip addr provided when loking up irc.lfnet.org
ben_vulpes: i was going to script this, but a visual inspection seems to indicate no nodes on the irc.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: It hastens turining drug into more extreme version of the drug.
ben_vulpes: i fear there are either no ungavinized nodes out there, or they're allr unning with no irc connectino
mircea_popescu: you will have to somehow answer the question of "does it try to send"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform can't find my fat-fingering, but my node running your patch *does* connect to lfnet. it does not, however, obtain a connection to another node thereby.
mircea_popescu: at least they're brave.
mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "using the bus instead of owning a car is a killer security feature, because a) if someone wants to piss in your seat they don't know which seat you will take (you're of course still open to sitting in a pool of urine that nobody intended for you particularly) and if the ny dept of idiocy decides to make the seats smaller and affix dongs, you get smaller seats and a dong up your ass the next day, no
mircea_popescu: "more efficient use of physical memory. All processes share the same physical pages for the code in the DSOs. With prelinking startup times for dynamically linked code is as good as that of statically linked code."
cazalla: today is the winter solstice and gee it is fucking cold
funkenstein_: the whole shebang maybe?
pete_dushenski: i couldn't imagine having spent the last year and a bit more productively, even if, yes, it wasn't free. but what of value is ?
pete_dushenski: where have the last 15 months gone ?
asciilifeform: it was a maxim made up by either mircea_popescu or pete_dushenski (forgot who)
funkenstein_: i mean, past the excellent Yeshiva post
asciilifeform: it doesn't soak up concentration of the kind that is a serious limited resource in a thinking person's day
funkenstein_: anyway, the irony is that he is.. while complaining about it.. donating his time to write the piece
funkenstein_: damn in norway? that is surprising, from what i hear of social system there
funkenstein_: the travel one rings true.
asciilifeform: there are other 'costs' that aren't precisely monetary, like the fact that you can't do the 20 years where you became a serious specialist in something - over again
asciilifeform: this is even aside from the expensive things folks sometimes ~choose~ to do when they grow older, like producing children, etc
asciilifeform: that is, having four walls to sit in without strangers sharing the space, to eat real food, to sometimes visit doctors, etc
asciilifeform: but overall he was, i think, referring to the more prosaic fact that it costs a hell of a lot to ~not live like a 17 y.o. shit~
asciilifeform: (short version: he decided that he could easily live off the consulting pay from working a few months / year. no. gov. decided that he must be secretly working the remainder of the year, and demanded tax, which he could not afford to pay. was driven into penury and died of self-neglect from easily treatable diseases)
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: so you oughta be well-equipped to understand the observation re: 'it costs a hell of a lot to live'
funkenstein_: but some things do have needs they address
asciilifeform: esp. the part re: 'is a surplus phenomenon'