decimation: https://github.com/awslabs/s2n/blob/master/utils/s2n_safety.h < here in the memcpy_check
decimation: no I bring up the do{stuff} while(0) because it's in amazon's new openssl 'replacement'
mircea_popescu: same principle yields "great politicians" who have no particular interest in what the flag looks like.
decimation: and it is what Fat Tony was talking about: oil traders 'all thought' that they knew about oil and the iraq war, whereas he saw that 'geopolitical analysis' and 'oil trade' isn't the 'same ting'
mircea_popescu: yeah it's in there.
decimation: I think it got cut off but the guy who thought 'green lumber' was literally boards painted green was an excellent trader
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181359 << to expound on that : a trader is not a commodity enthusiast. in general enthusiasts make very poor traders, which is why all the gold bugs are poor.
decimation: mats, asciilifeform, others: http://gcc.godbolt.org/#{%22version%22%3A3%2C%22filterAsm%22%3A{%22labels%22%3Atrue%2C%22directives%22%3Atrue%2C%22commentOnly%22%3Atrue}%2C%22compilers%22%3A[{%22sourcez%22%3A%22PTAEBUE8AcFNUgewK4CdQGNEBN4AtZVYAaURdAG0QENtRqA7UWAD2oFtoLYA6AKACWDAC6hsiAO54B3ABQBKPgG8%2BoUENHUA3KrGIl1UAF56oANQBGLQF9QuqTNiyADPJ3W%2BgkaAaTpcxRV1b21dQxNqS3cgAA%3D%3D%22%2C%22compiler%22%3A%22icc1301%22%2C%22options%22%3A%22%22}
mats: can drop /mobile/ from the url without issue
mircea_popescu: "*BUT*: updating the C library is no trivial task and it is very easy to damage one's system. Therefore, persons who do not exactly know what to do, should consider using a binary distribution instead, when it becomes available."
mircea_popescu: weird how the world works.
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 20:38:44; ascii_field: 'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development. He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him. This attempt failed but he kept on pressuring people everywhere and it got really ugly. In the end I agreed to the creation of a so-called "steering c
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181240 << the one thing left loose is that AFTER such, rms is not saying, to me or to anyone, "hey, drepper moved to the dark side, glibc was forked". the last thing you'd expect rms to be indicted for would be an inclination to "make things work" and fold for convenience rather than stand for principle. nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: and that brings us to the present.
mircea_popescu: but so far : i put the chain on new server, moved over binary to work it (hey, should work right ?). it sort-of worked but with weird errors. had to have the thing recompiled, which lead to indicating the chain being broken. except the chain checked out, up to the last block. turns out human error on the splicing of the chain copy, so the ul had to be redone (not all , but the index is large)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re teh seed : ima hopefully have it either working or a better idea of wtf is the problem in ~3-4 hoursd.
asciilifeform: (well, technically single-bit errors in dram are normally from alpha decay of the materials of which the damn thing itself is made)
asciilifeform: jurov: would it be painful to modify turdatron such that it displays images, in the same way as .txt ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6: feel free to use the figures on your blog. they are rather painful to view from ml
asciilifeform: jurov: the other day, i tried to send these: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180989
asciilifeform: also note that plots of figures which remained constant throughout the run were omitted.
asciilifeform: note that the entire shebang is includes
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/pss_2f32fc9570f505a65c46b118c415cae70d57d757.png << probably the figure of interest to most folks here
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html
jurov: incredible, these lennards contortions "but we are not vendor, systemd is not a product"
mod6: thx for the update asciilifeform
asciilifeform: not sure what to blame other than ram fault (experiment was taking place on a portable with non-ecc ram)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: anomaly from last night ~wasn't~ replicated. eater successfully ate blocks through 217336 (shat the day before using 'dumpblock' from earlier sync with mircea_popescu's node)
assbot: Greeks abroad have credit cards rejected amid confusion over capital controls | Money | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYYnYw )
punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/jun/30/greece-capital-controls-confusion-foreign-transactions-credit-cards
cazalla: i usually get the "warning: display tx may not be current, u need to update your shit or other nodes need to" one
shinohai: Oh ok, so the war drums are beating xD
BingoBoingo: Also, the rare black chicks that aren't HamPlanets
cazalla: and if memory serves, i think this is the 2nd or 3rd time you've mentioned the movie so is it a personal fav?
BingoBoingo: Nah, narrative arc goes Whitey steals from Blackie, blackie gets angry but restrained by their better angels, blackie wins
BingoBoingo: "Bring it On" (2000) >> Best movie on USA racial relations in the 21st century
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Not to mention the dyes
HeySteve: Krugman moaned about the energy costs too, not sure who came up with this nonsense originally but that was at least a year ago
HeySteve: goddamn retards, did they factor in the energy cost of all the VISA execs driving to and from work, just for starters?
BingoBoingo: The electrum server being private and serving IRL known persons
shinohai: I need to hop over to their chan and try to catch someone online I guess.
shinohai: I haven't yet BingoBoingo but have the same issue :/
BingoBoingo: shinohai jurov: Either of you find the set of electrum-server bitcoind patches? I'm running into some serious memory hole here.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Steel. Because the well runs dry before it corrodes
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: what is the casing of an oil well made of?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Do you really need those things? Or do you merely want them?
ben_vulpes: and the whole thing implodes
ben_vulpes: we'll be writing swift and javascript's successors until linus goes insane while still at the helm
ben_vulpes: i'm uninterested in anything new that touches the dom
trinque: dunno whether you also get a lower level graphics api
trinque: emscripten has an API to poke the DOM I think
ben_vulpes: di i still have to fuck with the dom in webasm?
funkenstein_: well if TX channels do break, it is eventually the resonsibility of the spender to get the TX to a pool - using external channel
ben_vulpes: (because "'we'll iterate on it, instead of asking the engineers")
ben_vulpes: it just takes the "duct tape the jet fighter to the submarine" mindset to a revolting degree
trinque: and in this case there's a browser underneath
ben_vulpes: i'm starting to wonder of 'clojure all the things' isn't a poettering-smell
ben_vulpes: good god man there are so many layers in that thing
trinque: wanted to know if the native thing would eat clojurescript, in case I end up having to use it
ben_vulpes: should be legal! let the chumps get chumped.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, perhaps Chef would be the appropriate word? :P
BingoBoingo: <mats> would sure like to meet these folks at a poker table << Honestly I'd just like to meet them at a bar or the pony track jsut to cycle the games they bleed through, because these colors don't run http://qntra.net/qntra.jpg
mats: would sure like to meet these folks at a poker table
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> embrace the surveillance state << I may or may not have around 2009 driven a VIP across county and or state lines because they did not want their travel recorded.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> it's a hazard of the dude's occupation. << No, it is a Hazzard, for a certain sort of Duke
HeySteve: sorry, I mean the driverbot
mats: oh right, we can decentralize the video feed too
ben_vulpes: embrace the surveillance state
mats: and nobody will care after a dozen women disappear after their last known position was inside one of your cars
ben_vulpes: it's a hazard of the dude's occupation.
ben_vulpes: no, i'm just going to put everyone involved with the piloting of vehicles out of work
BingoBoingo: Nah, insurance should be cheap. Getting insurance though should be hard through other means.
ben_vulpes: stop burning all the fucking oil to get your dumb asses around!
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i dream of a world where the insurance to drive your own ass around is prohibitive for all but the ultra-rich
mats: deleted the app after i finished my free ride
mats: driver insisted i sit in front, fist bump him, and talk the whole trip
BingoBoingo kinda likes the parallel car systems
HeySteve: Christine Walters, Johburg’s mayoral committee member for transport: "The city would like a South African flavour of black economic empowerment with Uber." - this sort of brain damage has taken over pretty much everything here
HeySteve: SA can be added to the list, lots of protests against Uber here. was wondering if there's a way to decentralise it...
HeySteve: not that I've used their service but I've been reading about all the pushback Uber is getting around the world
ben_vulpes: alf sez he has a boojum in the blockchain
trinque: wont use the 10th amendment to piss in the NSA's cheerios, but we'll certainly use it for that!
ben_vulpes: population flows aren't hard to predict in this neck of the woods
ben_vulpes is unlikely to get dedicated testing time over the weekend
decimation: yeah, I agree, would be nice. Apparently the former owners let a weedy russian olive tree grow too
asciilifeform: i'm off to bed. will wake up to the boojum, if it appears.
cazalla: tfw buying a deciduous tree in the winter and feel like i bought a stick for $20 lol (Hovenia dulcis if anyone cares as much)
trinque: decimation: I've seen that not handled well too, but this time he was just sitting there as if connected
trinque: cazalla: there he is if ya need it ^
phf: asciilifeform: blk format is magic 4 byte sequence (http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1779), then int32 size, then cblock
asciilifeform: - It's a symbol, in the shitvi, explained his father, the King. You have to experience real loss to understand the importance of respecting the subterranean world and its rules. It's not easy to do. That's why when someone does it, he's considered truly an adult and counted with people. Until then his notions don't matter. I know what I say may seem absurd to you, but then again one day you'll be prepared, and willing to cut o
asciilifeform: And the Prince inquired, like all boys his age, upon finding out what The Ritual actually was :
trinque: sci fi story idea: they claim to have invented the immortality treatment, is actually a procedure for implanting your mind control chip
decimation: "Mark Peterson, a spokesman for Wave Broadband, said an unspecified number of Sacramento-area customers were knocked offline by the latest attack. He characterized the Tuesday attack as "coordinated" and said the company was working with Level 3 and Zayo to restore service."
decimation: 'they' have 'gotten away' with shit infrastructure for decades, why start now
asciilifeform: often the egress point, between the underground conduit and the switch box - is naked entirely
trinque: << According to his biographer, Ellison sees death as “just another kind of corporate opponent he can outfox.” >>
asciilifeform: today they are in plastic pipes, and - unless belonging to cia/nsa in particular - marked with a bright orange public stake
asciilifeform: there once was a time when usg cables were armoured in concrete tubes
assbot: The Immortality Financiers: The Billionaires Who Want to Live Forever - The Daily Beast ... ( http://bit.ly/1IM4cXi )
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/20/the-immortality-financiers-the-billionaires-who-want-to-live-forever.html < larry ellison is literally demanding immortality pills
asciilifeform: and they didn't even need a fusion-powered death ray, it seems
trinque: I will be so sad if a fusion breakthrough happens in the USA for that reason...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu correctly observed that perpetuum mobile is pretty much the only thing that could save the shitempire
trinque: ah man, I'll be able to bolt one of these to my emdrive and colonize mars
asciilifeform: 'our perpetuum mobile is far more perpetual than that of other projects'
decimation: according to their infographic
asciilifeform: gotta love 'than other projects' part
decimation: and http://www.helionenergy.com/ < "By combining our years of experience in fusion, newly available electronics technologies, and a revolutionary design using cutting-edge physics, Helion is making a fusion engine 1,000 times smaller, over 500 times cheaper, and realizable 10 time faster than other projects."
asciilifeform wonders how many modern charlatans would carry on business if the consequence of failure to deliver were molten lead down their throat, as it often was for alchemists
asciilifeform: wake me up for the philosopher's stone startup
BingoBoingo: Indeed, all they wanted was to spam boner pills and invent people for FakeBook profiles
asciilifeform: thought they were signing up for a quiet life of sending viagra spam
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so which obscure german academic is going to have 'known about this for a year' ? same fella as they trotted out for phuctor ?
asciilifeform: then go, speculate.
assbot: Logged on 23-11-2014 05:22:35; kakobrekla: mircea_popescu no the question was did someone abuse the britneychain
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: the details remain to be learned
asciilifeform: consult the src (linked earlier in this thread)
asciilifeform: where the hell is mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: there is a python thing floating around, iirc
decimation: the question is, how do we make a portable tool to suck blocks from bitcoin nodes?
mod6: i would have though with all the same version (pretty much) that they would have all been the same hashes.
mod6: im suprised they diverged that much.
asciilifeform: this is probably when i say that it will be necessary to walk the blocks.
mod6: so one of them seems to be more screwed up than the others. but there were blocks like blk0009.dat & 10 where all were different.
asciilifeform: (on the 'eater' node)
asciilifeform: sha256(blk0001.dat) is equal to the expected value.
asciilifeform observes that the 'eater' has completed blk0001
asciilifeform: (for the same reason as mircea_popescu's)
asciilifeform: (the latter with nightly parity checks!)
mod6: whats the full size of your blockchain? mine's like ... ~38Gb
mod6: these were fully sync'd up to ~320`000 blocks or so. they were shutdown after full sync was achieved. each goes upto like blk0017.dat
decimation: yeah if it's the last file, it's incomplete
asciilifeform: (because if sync is not complete, then naturally last blk**** will differ)
asciilifeform: notice that there is no mechanism in bitcoind for ~erasing~ anything from the raw block files.
asciilifeform: but any subsequent sync against his node is expected to match the canonicals.
asciilifeform: if his blk** are ~original~ - as in, they were formed ~as the blocks happened~ - they can contain orphaned (in the traditional sense) blocks
mod6: mine were sync'd with some pre-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE [ v0.5.3 + some patches ], sync'd the old way from irc.
decimation: ^ mine match them all
asciilifeform: ^ not a single one of these lines up with mircea_popescu's
mod6: lol, im now doing 5-16 on all three chains at the same time: 02:42:27 up 2 days, 3:32, 5 users, load average: 2.88, 1.48, 0.71
lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=5 (ptpt52; Chen Minqiang's Personal Signing Key; Chen Minqiang (The only way out is through) ; Chen Minqiang (The only way out is through) ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/238717B355D356430E5CDD3730EF66DCD17DDFC96EE34C38AE150007E7BE3786#6DEA41C50052C0B4B3D1F8AE399743EB610DEC07DCA478A6AA4C935AA2AC0286>
decimation: blk0001.dat and blk0002.dat have the same size as this thread (at the bottom) https://bitcointa.lk/threads/reduced-final-state-blk0001-dat-with-pruned-index.59545/
asciilifeform: ^ is the same on the ~original~ (that is, received on that night from mircea_popescu) copy
asciilifeform: because ultimately it is the canonical blockchain.
asciilifeform: otherwise you'd have O(N)
asciilifeform: they have nothing to do with bdb and should not vary at all (once they reach full size, ~2GB) between nodes
assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 20:26:24; ascii_field: these aren't bdb files!
asciilifeform: they're raw blocks
asciilifeform: these aren't bdb though!
decimation: oh you mean the bdb files?
asciilifeform: the 'magic moment,' whatever its nature, happened well into blk0002
asciilifeform: it should not be difficult to find out, right now, if you have the same blockchain
asciilifeform: the sha512 checksums were posted earlier
asciilifeform: the dataset in question - blocks pulled from mircea_popescu's node on the night of june 28-29 - is ~5.5GB
asciilifeform: will, once i find a place to drop these where i'm not paying per byte
decimation: asciilifeform: do you have the complete blockdump file?
phf: right, eatblock/dumpblock lets you construct any arbitrary correct chain, block by block, including the known blockchain, in a fully deterministic way. seem like important building blocks of proper engineering.
asciilifeform is trying and failing to think of a benign explanation for the anomaly
asciilifeform: in the 'longest chain' sense
asciilifeform: it did not even occur to me that the 'eater' might barf
asciilifeform: original purpose of this experiment was to gather 'pmap -XX <pid>' stats for plotting
asciilifeform: (checksum spoken of earlier agrees with every copy of blk0001 i've been able to locate, other than the one cited by mircea_popescu)
asciilifeform: the only thing i'm pretty sure of at this point is that nothing peculiar happened - at least on this machine - through block 188529.
assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 19:12:49; ascii_field: in other nyooz, 'dumpblock' for the sums.txt.gz mircea_popescu set 0..n and subsequent 'eatblock' in brand-new stator - works
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181921 << the experiment in question, for anyone who missed
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform has the same ill feeling an astronomer might have were 'seti' signal to appear << We've outgrown everything but Z80+ECC and somehow that is too slow
asciilifeform: 'is it my instruments? lsd in the water?'
asciilifeform has the same ill feeling an astronomer might have were 'seti' signal to appear
asciilifeform has not verified the latter
mod6: i have 3 full-sync'd chains from between January and March, all have the same blk0001.dat hash: sha256sum blk0001.dat \ 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a blk0001.dat
asciilifeform: if anyone can remember what blocks fit in there, please post
mod6: will this have any impact on the hashes that are posted here? http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz
asciilifeform: the best-case scenario is that this is a 'cosmic ray'
asciilifeform: presently running the entire experiment again, to verify
assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 20:01:39; ascii_field: for what it's worth, all the blocks i got from mircea_popescu are successfully eaten by my 0.5.4
trinque: ^ from BingoBoingo's motherboard article
trinque: you have to count every payment processor in the whole byzantine credit card system if you're going to play that game
cazalla: that pic isn't really a fair representation of the problematic hambeasts
shinohai: hue, motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-is-unsustainable?trk_source=homepage-lede
trinque commits microaggression against the differently-hygiened
assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 19:33:05; mircea_popescu: in even further news, overheard in the street like an hour ago : "mommy, mommy! is it a good sign when your fanny itches ?"
shinohai: The only issue I had was importing private keys, but I solved that.
BingoBoingo hoping I don't have to make a bunch of patches to the RPC for this to work
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Ah. If you try again let me know what they errors were like. Still prolly have a month or so before craptop finishes sync
BingoBoingo: Anyone try running electrum-server yet against Foundation 0.5.3.1 or later build? Once stator on craptop syncs on craptop I plan on seeing if they get along
shinohai: There is a slight spelling error in this document: http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt
shinohai: I have only seen the Comcast guy 2 times in 5 years in this place I live.
shinohai: Nah he was probably being defensive because he was afraid they would find his My Little Pony playset or something.
assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 16:24:21; ben_vulpes: and i'm being dramatic about the plastics, there's a many-in-one stroller thing that a relative mentioned getting for us
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181836 <<< the plastic shit is everywhere :\
trinque: neh I like micro-terrorism... there it stays
trinque: someday soon they're going to start calling this kind of shit something as stupid as "micro-terrorism"
trinque: While Google’s efforts to solve this problem are admirable, it’s still troubling that it happened at all. As Alciné wrote on Twitter, “I understand HOW this happens; the problem is moreso on the WHY.” << oh for fuck's sake
BingoBoingo: Google, not the Rebel Flag is the real racist http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2015/06/30/google_s_image_recognition_software_returns_some_surprisingly_racist_results.html
ascii_field: they're blkxxxx.dat format
ascii_field: these aren't bdb files!
ascii_field: why shouldn't they match ?
ascii_field: mp_strange was on the 'stator' build
mircea_popescu: odd, they really shouldn't match
ascii_field: either mircea_popescu, or i, or both, is suffering from 'cosmic rays'
ascii_field: 'mp_strange' is the data set discussed earlier
mitzip: BingoBoingo: thanks I feel the same way :)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: consider preserving the turd for dissection
mircea_popescu: yeh the problem's later, 310kish
ascii_field: for what it's worth, all the blocks i got from mircea_popescu are successfully eaten by my 0.5.4
mircea_popescu: the sorry man's world is his sorrow.
ascii_field: that's sorta the whole point of bitcoin
ascii_field: so it is conceivable that yours barfed on an orphaned (in the original sense) block
ascii_field: all 16MB of them