ben_vulpes: this torture won't be performed by the usg, but regular ol' bandits.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: this is what makes civil forfeiture of bitcoin terrifying, because instead of just pressing a button on a computer, they'll torture you until you give up your keys.
ben_vulpes: and so everyone quakes in their boots and lines up to pay or report their neighbors or whatever it is that they want today
ben_vulpes: and perhaps this is the hallmark of fascist states - how would I know, only recently having started to crawl out from under my brainwashing - that they can't possibly deliver on their promises of complete surveillance (let's just take tax collection for one tiny slice of the thing), but they freeze any individuals assets on a whim to prevent their fighting back on tax charges.
decimation: not to mention the vast unofficial government
decimation: no human could possibly manage the official federal government
ben_vulpes: its this terrifying beast that in the large is incapable of changing anything, but should its eye orient towards any individual woe unto them.
decimation: not obama, but the gang of federal civil servants who actually make employment defacto employment law
decimation: he can also receives the benefits of appearing to be rich and powerful, and gets an army of people who are interested in making him seem powerful
decimation: the president's main power is to appear before the press and say things that are unsurprising
ben_vulpes: in that sense obab (as proxy for the usg) does in fact own my company to a far greater degree than i ever can
decimation: he has less power than the average mcdonald's night shift manager
ben_vulpes: right, that's the real test.
ben_vulpes: no man you just don't understand how the world works
ben_vulpes: and the recovery
decimation: note that the primary job of president these days is to fail to excercise your theoretically vast but practically nearly nonexistant power
ben_vulpes: having trouble understanding why big money would put him on the throne
decimation: he would try to eliminate the dept of education or whatever, and he would quickly find himself 'nixoned'
decimation: this echo's yarvin's "what if ron paul won the presidency" gedankenexperiment
decimation: "The outsiders can see these patterns, but don?t understand the details, so come across as cranks when trying to do analysis. Should the outsiders gain authority, they have no real power, because they do not know how to work the levers to operate the machine. They don?t even know where the levers are. When they try to fix the machine, they get duped, get discredited, and end up out of power again."
ben_vulpes to the augean stables
ben_vulpes: "it's not me, it's the black hole"
decimation: I read it as he was using the third-party language intentionally - to sympathize with the reader's point of view
ben_vulpes: didja read the most recent orlol asciilifeform posted?
decimation: I'm sure that if you met the leaders of the average usg institution they would strike you as nice people trying to do the right thing. they are just imprisoned by their choices, making them into figureheads
ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm just looking at the we/i thing
decimation: here's a conspiracy: why were the german journalists so quick to discredit phuctor's work, when the majority of the targeted keys appear to be the pirate party
ben_vulpes: "These statements strike us as being crazy and misguided. And for good reason. I have met some of these elites." << is dood schizo or am i reading too much into things
decimation: https://devinhelton.com/2015-06-25/meme-theory < "Thus, outsiders discredit themselves when they make accusations of conscious conspiracy. Any person of even mid-level status knows that the statement is flatly false. They know that the accused elites genuinely do seem to care about helping people. They know there is no conspiracy. Thus they discount the self-interest theory and pay no further attention."
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: you pissed them off just by being seen with chicka? imagine their rage if you'd /slept/ with her!
kakobrekla: or is it same as the first anyway?
kakobrekla: lobbes the last link in that lobbesbot msg is broked
shinohai: If mircea_popescu changes the trilema background to that flag, I'll do it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: is there a maximum?
punkman: not involved in any bitcoin business for the time being
punkman: oh so you only handle the bitcoins for a short period?
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ronaz: i wonder if i would find the key to sign myself in
ronaz: ahh. i have the wot account from 2012
ronaz: physical Bitcoins, lile Casascius sold back in the days
cazalla: shinohai, bit rich that 4chan has a no faggots thread when it is full of them
shinohai: What the hell happened in Alemania ?
ben_vulpes: i never got the static build on os x
ben_vulpes: i never had to drop the switch, but it did take a couple of swipes at me
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 23:49:23; *: asciilifeform fwiw, when worked with robot, had all the 'safety' interlocks disabled. they make it damn-near impossible to get real work done
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183894 << see i did the same thing but with a motoman up20, and only for like a day
shinohai`: The lolz were thick on twitter. Every shitty altcoin was tweeting "Welcoming our Greek friends" and such.
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assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 19:10:02; assbot: Successfully updated the rating for juliatourianski_ from -2 to 3 with note: met at porcfest; a fantastic escort
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> yet another place where bitcoind and kernel merge. << linux's fate: hosting bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: <decimation> ascii_field: shit, you are right, the amazon s2d is just a pretty TLS wrapper around the openssl crypto turd << one stops being surprised eventually
decimation: actually the thing you really need is just a cheap net of wireless sensors so you can experiment with hand-operated vents
decimation: which is a band-aid on the retardation of forced-air systems
decimation: the most interesting one is 'ecovent': place a battery-powered 'vent' over all of your forced air outlets
decimation: ^ startups are feasting on the corpse of old-fashioned bezzletron
asciilifeform: the mirrors are, typically, a benjie or so each
asciilifeform: that, and the good heat conduction
asciilifeform: main problem, as i understand, is reflectivity of the metal
decimation: so the idea is that it oxidizes as it cuts?
asciilifeform: speaking of experiments for the brave, it turns out that you can indeed cut thin steel with a 40w co2 laser if you connect an o2 tank, rather than the usual compressor, to the head nozzle
asciilifeform: to tie the two subjects together, it is very difficult for the amateur ic decapping enthusiast to buy hno3.
asciilifeform: when i was a student at 'nih', the story went that 'there was no serious bureaucracy surrounding lab waste until the p32-in-the-water-cooler incident'
decimation: asciilifeform: like cesium for radiation therapy
asciilifeform: anyway the traditional narrative re: 'dirty bombz' is that the builder would use short-lived, highly-energetic isotopes, of the kind shipped out to specially-designated junkyards by the tonne from your local biotech zone
asciilifeform: decimation: sorta like the notion that lead smelter in your back yard is no problem, because lead is found in the earth anyway
asciilifeform: mats: absolute sop. this practice dates back to at least the '486 sx'
decimation: asciilifeform: what strikes me as stupid about the 'dirty bomb' idea is that background radiation naturally varies
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:19:44; mats: and you'd not be able to hide rad signatures from anybody bothering to look, i would think
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183998 << author argues (in piece linked above) that the 'dirty bomb' meme was a fiction crafted as a pill against just this.
asciilifeform: ems set to face the unbridled wrath of large numbers of citizens for many years to come.'
asciilifeform: '... On the available evidence it seems the aspirations of a small arrogant bunch of men who decided to impose a "New World Order'" on a host of very unwilling small sovereign nations, did not think the exercise through to its perhaps inevitable conclusion. Those same arrogant men have placed tens of millions of citizens at risk because of their own gross incompetence and thirst for absolute power. The "New World Order" now se
asciilifeform: uried in advance. Forget the "garbage truck", which was merely a decoy device. The crater is very impressive, measuring roughly forty feet deep by sixty feet in diameter.'
asciilifeform: 'The April 1993 bomb was supposedly detonated in a parked garbage truck, but managed to create a huge crater in the road that was subsequently filmed by the media: another crucial error confirmed by independent explosives experts in Australia. The blast from most bombs takes the easiest path, in this case outwards then upwards to atmosphere. The crater could only have appeared if the bomb was dropped from an aircraft, or was b
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> who wants to run an editor that can open the net ? << why wouldn't your editor connect to the net at your command?
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 16:46:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181835 << that's really not the best idea. make it a hammoc, something.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181766 << not worth a thousand words eh ? << only maybe if well curated, but that breaks the whole algorithmic share allocation routine
mats: and you'd not be able to hide rad signatures from anybody bothering to look, i would think
mats: but that is of dubious authenticity
mats: i dunno how to do the calculations for homemade explosive like that
asciilifeform: mats: as nato reich continues its path down the drainpipe to join the earlier reichs, various folks' temptation to find out 'if the nukes still work
mats: passably decent analysis overall, although the journalist is quite wrong about ru military inferiority and nato military superiority
asciilifeform: https://archive.org/stream/computer_ambush#page/n14/mode/1up << gotta love the 'biographies'
asciilifeform: reminds me of an only slightly later-in-the-'80s game i enjoyed as a boy on ru pc xt clone - 'ranger'
asciilifeform: punkman: considerably more interesting, imho, from same site: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/06/26/the-flare-path-computer-ambush
punkman: nah supposedly you'll be paying at one and they'll split it up
punkman: "Netflix, Spotify and other streaming services just got more expensive in Chicago as an update to the city’s amusement tax went into effect Wednesday. The change adds a 9 percent tax to Chicago residents’ subscriptions."
williamdunne: They forfeited
williamdunne: Yesterday was the most entertaining time I've had in a while
williamdunne: Yeah, but you get to fuck the rock
williamdunne: What the fuck
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funkenstein_: variety is the spice of life
funkenstein_: williamdunne, how do you pick girlfriends then?
williamdunne: Why on earth anyone thinks hiring people for the sake of diversity is a good idea, I will never know
assbot: Twitter employs only 49 African Americans despite diversity pledges | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtMXQB )
asciilifeform: bonus points for testing on heathen compilers
phf: asciilifeform: i did blockdump on 0..217336 and all the checksums come out to what's in sums.txt.gz. i'm going to eatblock them with a fresh datadir
asciilifeform: https://www.kernel.org/doc/gorman/html/understand/understand006.html << for anyone struggling to make sense of http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html
asciilifeform: pc keyboard, esp. the piece of shit most folks use, is a veritable 'dulap' for hands, yes
asciilifeform fwiw, when worked with robot, had all the 'safety' interlocks disabled. they make it damn-near impossible to get real work done
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 23:46:56; williamdunne: trinque: The guy walked into the security enclosure while the machine was operating
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183884 << how many fall into woodchipper every day of the week
trinque: williamdunne: yeah, I'm just amused as shit at the thought of some german guy shouting "EVERYSING IS VURKING ACCORDINK TO SPECIFICATION!"
trinque: http://www.ft.com/fastft/353721/worker-killed-volkswagen-robot-accident << "VW said the robot had not suffered a technical defect." << LOL!
pete_dushenski: lol well, with two articles published today, ima sign off for the eve. a river cruise and fireworks await. cheers !
asciilifeform: if cuts, then same format !
asciilifeform: ^ try cutting one of them with http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000113.html
asciilifeform: same as blkxxxx then ?
jurov: they say it's just <4-byte pchMessageStart><32-bit length><CBlock, serialized in network wire format>
asciilifeform: just on the envirowhiner-left side
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 23:01:44; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note how smoothly the man switched from "we've always said bitcoin has to have larger blocks" to "we;ve always said bitcoin is using up too much electricity" in midsentence!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183841 << eh, the 'too many joules' crowd has been going for ~2y+ now
asciilifeform: the 30M baseline is jaw-dropping imho
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 22:55:38; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << this is lovely shit.
shinohai: I always just cat the blkxxxx.dat's > bootstrap.dat
jurov: heh i did neither. only wanted to
jurov: did you compare it with their one?
shinohai: i dunno, i just made one from 0.5.3 for the hell of it
mircea_popescu: i wish fighting the commies ever were as much fun as fighting these congenital retards is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note how smoothly the man switched from "we've always said bitcoin has to have larger blocks" to "we;ve always said bitcoin is using up too much electricity" in midsentence!
mircea_popescu: started off as the exact inverse of that.
trinque: heh it occurs to me that the USA is sort of that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << this is lovely shit.
trinque: yeah, bunch of outcasts finally having their day
mircea_popescu: in fairness systemd was born sort-of like reddit was born : collecting all the scum frothing at the periphery of a culture.
mircea_popescu: "our goal all along was to avoid responsibility for all the stupid shit we're doing. there's not much fun in stealing if one doesn't steal the having been stolen from at the same time!"
mircea_popescu: "I don't think that CoreOS registering systemd.pool.ntp.org is the best move. as to me it sounds like @poettering simply doesn't want any end-users to view systemd as some sort of a product providing its own services and, (at least in the minds of some users), being assigned the responsibility for those services or start treating systemd as a separate product, instead of it being an integral part of the distribution
mircea_popescu pictures alf car with pathe system.
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 12:07:42; asciilifeform: not sure what to blame other than ram fault (experiment was taking place on a portable with non-ecc ram)
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 20:14:14; williamdunne: Oh, well I'll have to disagree. More often than not, at least with my (limited) experience they smell no different to the rest of whomever it belongs to
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183595 <<< lucky man then.. my first still to this day is the worst (although might be on account it was my first and as such has become an acquired taste/smell, who knows)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182647 << i can see what you're saying, but im starting to suspect rolling release is the only way to do mmorpgs.
mircea_popescu: but common sense won't apply because... they'll revolutionize!
pete_dushenski: but a nice incentive nonetheless
pete_dushenski: bitbet and therealbitcoin : blocked out from the land or swarming, smarming idiocy, much to everyone's benefit, since forever
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: did you ever receive a notification from the uk gambling commision ? or did they snub you like those chartmakerz
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183764 << when do we get to hear from the saudi pr0n commission?
ascii_field: pathetic.
ascii_field: the one with hot chix
ascii_field: wake me up when the real nsa leaks
trinque: another .de
mircea_popescu: lol then i guess i leave it ?
pete_dushenski: and chant the cultiest chant there ever was while nubile princesses dance around our circle
pete_dushenski: stick shavings then.
pete_dushenski: to be donned at the annual ceremony where we'll burn more of mp's woodchips,
ascii_field: when i've the whole set!
ascii_field washes chopping block, picks up gavin feathers
ascii_field: the only reason to do this, other than pgp-hardened out of band syncs, is to make your bitcoind walk the same logic path as other fella's
ascii_field: that's sorta the whole point
ascii_field: hence the variants
ascii_field: incidentally the src of zeus was leaked long ago
mircea_popescu: euros have the most idiotic name shcemes.
shinohai: how small can u make the files with blkcut ascii_field
ascii_field: whoever wants, can download with script as he needs them
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yeah, guy's been around forever, i recall his story about selling out at the top cca $13
ascii_field: the point, if anyone doesn't get it, is to hunt for nondeterminism ~anywhere~ in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ascii_field kinda too lazy to figure out how you start a torrent, and how the fuck am i going to serve 50gb dishes to the public ?
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/07/europol-eurojust-take-down-cybercriminal-group/ << i don't get it, is this the same zeus that's been around for 10+ years ?
ascii_field: and theoretically end up with SAME blkxxxxx dir that you ate
mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter what they say, if people use it as a generic term that's that.
mircea_popescu: more like pissing in the wind
cazalla: ah so really nothing more than token measure by legal derpartment to ensure they maintain the trademark?
mircea_popescu: hence "The image was enhanced using A®d®o®be® P®ho®tos®hop®"
ascii_field: at any rate, you can call sha256sum on the resulting dir tree
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i can't imagine why tbh, the word is as synonymous to search as is google
ascii_field: but afaik there was no simple, fast cutter
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: re: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/614855224864448513 << is this the same rassah from the ol' 'mycelium knows how to make rng for their entropy dongle now but won't because it's hard and other reasons' ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla you knbow why they're pushing that right ?
cazalla: pete_dushenski, gimp and trademarks are not verbs dude http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressmaterials/pdfs/photoshop_guidelines_pr.pdf "For example: "The image was enhanced using Adobe® Photoshop® software." not . . . "The image was photoshopped."
pete_dushenski: o hey liking the new bunny header
pete_dushenski: cazalla: just noticed a typo there ... "cybercrimial" instead of "cybercriminal" in the opening sentence. fix plox :)
mircea_popescu: they need to confront it insistently and constantly.
cazalla: perhaps i'm still at that juvenile stage in my life where if someone tells me i can't have something (flag in this instance) i want it all the more
cazalla: williamdunne, not really, if the rabbit mascot was still alive i'd have named him dixie
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 16:08:00; mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government/#comment-29482 << can't tell if serious...
williamdunne: I'll give you that one, then again they have a slight advantage over myself when it comes to detection of it
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder then that dogs don't stick the truffle straight into the girl's elbow.
williamdunne: Oh, well I'll have to disagree. More often than not, at least with my (limited) experience they smell no different to the rest of whomever it belongs to
mircea_popescu: yeah they do.
williamdunne: Not all vaginas smell, so at least there's that
ascii_field: yes, you kinda put it there
mircea_popescu: otherwise, feel free to tell your compiler something like "so this program i wanna work on, right ? it has like a number of functions in it and stuff like that"
mircea_popescu: (they're not impermissible in nature - merely in thinking. you gotta know what you're talking about)
mircea_popescu: the point is that unbounded lists are impermissible.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field mere moving the gulp posts. "septimum non datur" or w/e
mircea_popescu: along with reductio ad absurdum and friends, the infrastructure of all thought.
mircea_popescu: the unverified suspicion is that this exists as overflow protection.
mircea_popescu: alright. be specific, ask specific questions, construct syllogisms so that you can work tnd and the rest of the devices thought rests on...
ascii_field: and, for anyone who has not yet read the article: precisely same footprint ~whether blocks are eaten one by one, or bitcoind merely started with the results thereof~
ascii_field: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/pss_2f32fc9570f505a65c46b118c415cae70d57d757.png << in other news, one can infer that bitcoin permanently sits down on ~300 byte per block ingested
ag3nt_zer0: again, I understand not having the time or patience as well...
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: but just becasue I do not consider it silly romanticism does not mean I could not be convinced if one were inclined to point out any inconsistencies in their thought... which is why I ask in this room... I suppose that if there were people able to help me peel back the layers a bit further, or demonstrate to me my own silly romantic tendencies that lead me to think most of this thought is "true", they migh
funkenstein_: speaking of the vein of paranoia mentioned by midnightmagic, I would love some help to evaluate this comment: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1105109.msg11765764#msg11765764
mircea_popescu looks around rather pleased
jurov: deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/attachment_e1cbe3cd7f4dececd2f4d5e8d619f57ca41ca69f.txt
mircea_popescu: in which line, i was recently shocked to realise my mother's retiring. when i met the woman she was young!
mircea_popescu: i suppose the problem here is that to the children of today the women are grandmothers, but to they that rolled them on all their sides in the hay they'll stay about 20.
ascii_field: there is none of it to be had now.
ascii_field: but it hardly gets deader than the thing that made him
mircea_popescu: he's certainly above the usual productions of his peninsula.
mircea_popescu: evola, recently mentioned here, very much in the same vein
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 he's the original neoplatonician "ezoterist" or however you call this silly sort of romanticism that passes for "traditionalism" in postmodernism.
ag3nt_zer0: interesting - have never heard of Mirandola referred to as a core "traditionalist" writer - Guenon, Schuon, Evola, Burkhardt and others - but not Mirandola. From a nothing read I can see a similarity in their attempt to legitimize these modalities of thought but I read that his ideas were influential in renaissance humanism which guenon appears to be highly critical of... ?
midnightmagic: So? Opinion doesn't mean action; and it doesn't follow that I'd waste my time reporting, or even communicating with an inverted totalitarianist state, given the literal costs of doing so in terms of freedom and money.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 02:02:19; midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 03:25:08; mircea_popescu: this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog"
mircea_popescu: in the end what difference does it make.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: yeah, I know. I refuse to the signal the in-tribe, and that seems to be giving him a reason to think I'm some kind of plant with an agenda. If he accepted the truth I think he'd calm down quite a bit, although at this point he'd probably never believe it.