asciilifeform: the whole 'provably fair' thing
decimation: lol why do they need to give seed
asciilifeform: iod, think hundreds of requests in under a second. The result of this is that he knew all the information required to corroborate the outcomes of his bets. He knew whether if he would win or lose, and could wager accordingly.'
asciilifeform: 'Part of the functionality of our site is that we have to give out decrypted server seeds (to assure users no bet manipulation has occurred) and put a new random seed in place, essentially trashing the old revealed seed. Hufflepuff found a way to confuse our server, and made it give out a decrypted server seed that was also an active seed. This was done by sending it more requests than it could handle in a small time per
decimation: http://www.bbc.com/news/health-33362472 < "She told the BBC that "Children with autism didn't show this modulation at all - they took the same sniff for the smell of shampoo as they did for rotten fish." "They also showed that the more severe the symptoms of autism the longer the children inhaled the unpleasant smells. "
asciilifeform: query the cutout (said full node)
asciilifeform: the full node is '-connect'ed to a public-facing node, yes
decimation: this goes to the ancient thread about what bitcoind should do
asciilifeform: decimation: neither side, properly speaking, ought to be 'public'
decimation: essentially, querying the blockchain for my txns
decimation: account belongs on the public side?
asciilifeform: the bitcoind, in turn, needs to know how to 1) crap out a proper tx for it to sign 2) eat the result
asciilifeform: what is the purpose of said replacement ?
decimation: https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server < "The server requires bitcoind, leveldb and plyvel"
asciilifeform: wtf is the point
asciilifeform knows that one can 'theoretically' be turned into the other, but is not so much interested in the particulars as in the overall flavour of the design, as to whether it rejected networking to begin with
decimation: asciilifeform: what is electrum other than 'wallet split from node'?
asciilifeform: other than that, 'take it or leave it'
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu ever feels like saying any more on the subject, he can.
asciilifeform: and, possibly, that he did the Right Thing and sawed off wallet into a separate mechanism: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2014#890284
asciilifeform: and that it uses the traditional blkxxxx format to keep said blocks in: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-06-2015#1182019
asciilifeform: for the specific purpose of running mpex
asciilifeform: shinohai: my understanding is that mircea_popescu, with the help of trusted phriendz unknown to us, did something quite like therealbitcoin, early on
shinohai: is there a node list i should consider?
asciilifeform: shinohai: i must point out that it isn't 'mine', but therealbitcon's (in the face of ben_vulpes and mod6)
trinque: not that I use any of them
trinque: well, there are plenty of wads o' elisp that try to do that very thing
asciilifeform: the difference is important
asciilifeform: trinque: mno. because it doesn't (except in the most minimal sense) try to handle unixisms ~from within~
trinque: asciilifeform: the thought actually was... "so emacs is a sort of masamune... lol!"
trinque: I guess there's a whole lineage of things which ended up being called emacs
trinque: asciilifeform: that was actually my reaction when learning of genera and other such systems
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:30:34; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin.
asciilifeform: trinque: aha, precisely like the 'real communists'
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:49:55; danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << as i understand, this is an example of 'smv' (sexual market value) as described by mocsny and kokkarinen at work. it takes the form of 'man: what can i afford' 'woman: with your bid, you can afford to be my driver and pay two-thirds of my rent. in return, you get every 47th fuck, if good behaviour.'
trinque: asciilifeform: big time, the libertarians tend to self-describe as "real" americans
asciilifeform: in both cases, the pathology of failing to 'set the bozo bit' on a philosophically-bankrupt system
asciilifeform: just as the 'гласность' folks were the strongest believers, in their time, in concept of ussr
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:48:28; decimation: I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184659 << in a very important sense, those folks are the ~strongest~ believers in usg as a concept
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:08:50; danielpbarron: "i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough
asciilifeform: and not of computers (which, last i saw, did not program themselves) - but of ~people~
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184748 << in order to formulate ~rational~ distrust, you need literacy. which is not and cannot be a mass phenomenon. hence the choice, for the lumpens, is between mystical trust and mystical distrust
asciilifeform: (not that it is impossible, but there is nothing to recommend it vs any other hypothesis)
asciilifeform: the 'email client' thing, if you recall, was a canned fabrication by the 'debunking' fella
asciilifeform: trinque: i can think of no reason to suppose that the folks named in the keys had anything whatsoever to do with submitting the 32bit-diddled versions
trinque: somebody's gotta eventually ask one of these germans what e-mail clients and plugins they may have used over the years
trinque: rather than just leaving it at DEATH TO TLS
trinque: mats: I see your point though; it is probably best to frame it as a conversation around the limitations of https
trinque: they're still probably working on an utterly infested device
trinque: sure, from the mitm perspective
mats: things like HSTS does raise the technical difficulty of performing attacks against regular folks
mats: we're all on the same page here, but telling people https is untrustworthy when they've no deep technical knowledge isn't helpful
mats: well, i like having a rl network and assets i can rely on for their particular talents
decimation: me neither
mats: i have had a tricky time broaching the subject
mats: how would these people know what that is
decimation: note they are all in for changing shit that doesn't matter in the least, like whether you can smoke weed
decimation: yeah about 90% of the libertarians I've encoutnered on the internet and otherwise are socialists with reservations
trinque: might've been something like what the USA was back when
trinque: I tend to think the libertarian thing (minimal state, so on) only works if the people thereof are well conditioned into accepting hierarchy.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:53:47; danielpbarron: and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184679 <<< sounds like the same women who play mmorpgs
trinque: least you actually read the book
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i don't think it becomes a protest until he's hung about a few days and commented the same shit a few times but either way, haters gon' hate
decimation: emphasizing their female empowerment by communicating how being with men is important to them?
shinohai: The single life for me
trinque: in portland "polyamory" means "I'm going to fuck other men and tell you about it"
trinque: I tend to mentally make note that the person's a disease supernode and move on
decimation: well, because almost by definition they have removed themselves from any kind of power, being against usg as it exists
trinque: and the ron paul people
trinque: ^ this was my experience of the whole libertarian community
trinque: 16,832 of 20,000 according to the site
decimation: danielpbarron: does the 'free state project' still exist?
decimation: yeah, it might be visible, but the effort going into turning a bomb into an 'aerosol delivery system' is probably wasted. Like ascii's point about chemical EMP bombs
mircea_popescu: but the former does not. it IS very visible.
decimation: my meta-point being that there's places where humans seem to survive just fine while being exposed to a few more zeros worth of radiation than 'normal people'
decimation: to the point where it would be simpler just to johnny-appleseed the material around an area yourself
decimation: no, my point is that there are places that have enough 'natural' radiation to require very large 'dirty bomb'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << ahaha this is great. but in fairness, the chick seemed quite pleasant, no idea why he went all berserk on her ass.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 04:08:54; decimation: plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:51:09; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> who wants to run an editor that can open the net ? << why wouldn't your editor connect to the net at your command?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184001 << well, look it up. there's a present risk of suffocation, and most sudden infant death correlates with shared sleeping arrangements. baby should have a cot, something. even if it's just a sling hanging off a hook by side of your bed.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:19:47; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181766 << not worth a thousand words eh ? << only maybe if well curated, but that breaks the whole algorithmic share allocation routine
mircea_popescu: nothing's fickler than the socialist.
mircea_popescu: give it some time, he'll go the way of that cornel west fucktard in due time
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 02:26:47; mats: passably decent analysis overall, although the journalist is quite wrong about ru military inferiority and nato military superiority
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183987 << wrong on a lot of things. the only thing dropping a nuke will do is ensure the dropper loses.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the way this works is that if mr pension is ever short on dough, he gets 'honorary professorship' at yalprincevard, or 'lecture fee', or 'consultantship' at lockheed, etc
ascii_field: hey, usg paid'em to sit and pull. those cocks won't pull themselves
mircea_popescu: while in fact pulling each other's cock. it's a sickening display.
mircea_popescu: what's worse, look at the people who claimed to be and acted as if they were actually doing useful work
ascii_field: kakobrekla: but look at all the folks who could have done something about it, and instead pulled each other's cocks
kakobrekla: from the era of unencrypted wallets
kakobrekla: well that one goes all the way back to satoshi.
ascii_field: there was never any fucking reason to couple the addr-watching functionality with 'wallet'
ascii_field: weird kludges which ultimately came from the retardation of the 'powerranger' bitcoind - e.g., inability to know when an addr has been paid, without having private key - are to be fixed in the proper way
shinohai: you know, why complicate things. I like the small bitcoind
scoopbot_revived: Line betting on BitBet, June 2015 http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-june-2015/
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 18:02:08; shinohai: I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184315 << The appeal is not in the "light client" but in the server that indexes the full node's blockchain and makes "transaction observatory" easier.
decimation: ascii_field: note the commonality to all of these problems: "we own this namespace so you should accept our aliased symbols"
mircea_popescu: seems to be the consensus so far.
ascii_field: 'Be aware that, "out of the box", the wrapper only supports C applications, not C++. This is because the C++ libraries and headers are missing from the musl include/library path. The existing libstdc++ is actually compatible with musl in most cases and could be used by copying it into the musl library path, but the C++ header files are usually not compatible. One option may be rebuilding just libstdc++ against musl;
ascii_field: 'When will it be finished?' 'When there's nothing left to remove.' (faq)
ascii_field: conditions in the original NPTL design. As for efficiency, the whole threads implementation weighs in at around 10-20k depending on target architecture and compiler settings.'
ascii_field: 'musl's efficiency is unparalleled in Linux libc implementations. Designed from the ground up for static linking, musl carefully avoids pulling in large amounts of code or data that the application will not use. ... musl features the first post-NPTL implementation of POSIX threads for Linux, and the first aimed at complete conformance and robustness. Thread cancellation has been re-designed to avoid serious race
ascii_field: the whole thing just desperately needs to die
ascii_field: pruning the resulting include-fixed directory. Thus, the only people who have to deal with fixincludes are people who build GCC from the source packages, or who are setting up build scripts for their own deployment/distribution.'
ascii_field: 'Finally, I suppose one might wonder why something that seems so broken, as I've described fixincludes, might go undetected for so long. The explanation is simple: distros. Most users of GCC use binary packages prepared for a particular OS distribution, where the packager has already cleaned up most of the mess, either by building GCC in a sterile environment where it can't find any headers to pick up and hack up, or by
decimation: the official redhat gcc nukes the mkheaders script: rm -f $FULLEPATH/install-tools/{mkheaders,fixincl}
ascii_field: drepperization has touched more or less the entire known unixlike universe
decimation: after all, there can be only one /usr/include
shinohai: The #b-a purple drank
ascii_field: 'let's break semantics of everything because it isn't like anyone still expects anything to work as printed on the tin'
trinque: did look like int related headers were magically appearing or not depending on where the build happened
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:49:39; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171891 << most i ever had at once was 600 mg in the form of 40 gel caps
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 16:43:02; asciilifeform: my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint.
ascii_field: 'If new system header files are installed, nothing automatically arranges to update the corrected header files. They can be updated using the mkheaders script installed in libexecdir/gcc/target/version/install-tools/.'
ascii_field: 'GCC comes with shell scripts to fix certain known problems in system header files. They install corrected copies of various header files in a special directory where only GCC will normally look for them. The scripts adapt to various systems by searching all the system header files for the problem cases that we know about.'
ascii_field: ^ confirms my hypothesis from several months ago
ascii_field: in other 'news', https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Disappointments.html#Disappointments
ascii_field: usgicity is infectious - no one wants to be the first fella to stop clapping when it's clap-for-stalin time
decimation: it just has to let its unofficial organs know how the game should go
ascii_field: my current impression is that it once sucked an average amount, and then became what it is now
kakobrekla: has 'america' in the name?
trinque: then charges you overdraft fees
trinque: BoA is the kind of bank that charges you for having an empty account
ascii_field: isn't BoA infamous for being, approx., the microshit of u.s. banks ?
shinohai: yeh, only had $25 left in it, but they let me back in after 4-5 weeks? Then BoA shut me down
decimation: shinohai: wait, they froze your btc wallet?
shinohai: I'm in the U.S. They froze my account first for sending to a gambling site, the second time it was my stoopid bank
decimation: shinohai: how did they 'shutter' you?
ascii_field: (laugh, but sometimes ~this~ is the hard bit)
lobbes: thanks for the heads up. I'll look into it
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:01:48; kakobrekla: lobbes the last link in that lobbesbot msg is broked
kakobrekla: >Coinbase is advertising an "Unreliable solution" (instead of trustless solution) and "Busy function" (the English term is "feature full", which is supposed to mean "full of features", but they translated it as "the feature [is] full [of something]".
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:52:37; asciilifeform: ultimately usg 'department of plenty' ~really~ wants money to get borrowed. whether you in particular like to borrow money or not. if some 'helpful' nigerian can do it in your name, so much the better from their pov.
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:50:15; asciilifeform: from the pov of the chumps, the more sinister aspect, as always, is the non-cryptographic concept of identity used in nato reich, where folks can actually impersonate you if they know a handful of basic biographical facts
assbot: the_real_obola comments on If exchanges aren't safe places to store bitcoin why are they trust worthy enough to store my personal data? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KvORjv )
ascii_field: 'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).'
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 18:19:10; trinque: maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there
mircea_popescu: reversion to mean must be the main solace for early onset disability.
mircea_popescu: dude, by now he's not in much worse shape than any other seventy year old, not counting those who already died.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 00:53:07; williamdunne: Why on earth anyone thinks hiring people for the sake of diversity is a good idea, I will never know
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183935 <<< this is the chief criteria in the classical harem. so... because the "people" being hired are chattel ?
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah there is that.
mircea_popescu: "Through EZ Keys I can also control the mouse in Windows." stephen hawking uses wintel ? sad.
mircea_popescu: and then fell.
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 23:48:06; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183884 << how many fall into woodchipper every day of the week
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183889 << i recall that grisly case when an elderly couple murdered-suicided themselves as the old lady was holding the stair for the gent who thought for some reason eh can use a chainsaw upside.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182410 << incidentally, anyone remember the 'accidental' oceanic fiber cuts every few years, when nsa installs splitter taps ?!
ascii_field: in the linked experiment, it failed to sublimate
ascii_field: whole point is to sublimate the epoxy to gas
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ;;later tell mats http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2013/08/laser-ic-decapsulation-experiments.html << looks like folks have tried the co2 laser ic decapping thing. tricky.
mod6: somehow cat'd that together. o.O, have to fix that
ascii_field: kakobrekla: it figures in the carl force confession
mod6: sometimes i feel like i should mod the old atcbot just to sit in here and do things like %addr <BTC_ADDRESS> and then spit back info, or for %block or %tx
ascii_field: and who knew of it, to send the turds to ?
trinque: yeah mine's collecting dust on the tv stand
trinque: I think I'll get my pogo going again first, as that's the best device for me to do any blockchain syncing with
ascii_field: trinque: to be fair, i killed all of the fallback sync mechanisms (irc, dns, hardcodedseeds)
trinque: the hilarious byzantine logic in this thing
ascii_field: ^ another thing to fix
ascii_field: (though, comically, it can still decide that said ip 'misbehaves' and is then left dead in the water)
ascii_field: and arbitrarily cycles between them
ascii_field: the difference is that when you 'addnode', the thing carries on with collecting as many seed ips from wherever it knows about, as possible
mod6: anyway, no worries, i'll stop the sync, use -connect :]
mod6: you link that email from the stator email saying "MUST run as described in", which says to use -addnode.
ascii_field: presently the thing has exactly two settings - 'best phriendz' and 'planetary slut'
ascii_field: rather than -addseed
ascii_field: so long as it is done within the customary hierarchy
ascii_field: force went to the scaffold, as it usually happens, not for corruption, but for 'not knowing his place'
shinohai: I can live without them. cli is lightweight :D
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: the 'light client' stuff has always stuck me as a step in the precisely wrong direction.
shinohai: Needs a lot of work, all the rpc calls are broken
shinohai: I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well.
shinohai: So i bought a few regulated supplies and still have them
shinohai: I bought a bunch of gridseeds one time, and the power supplies were garbage.
ascii_field: shinohai: unlike the various arm dev boards folks like to overpay for, 'pogo' actually comes in a spiffy plastic chassis, complete with disk vagina
shinohai: I could see the pogo being a mass product, given a little 3-d printing magic
ascii_field: so then i found one
shinohai: I never heard of the things until I read danielpbarron's piece.
shinohai: I'm just gonna buy a pogo or two w/ btc i suppose. An extra for the lab wouldn't hurt
ascii_field: speaking of brand-new pogo, by the shovelfull, even
decimation: ascii_field: it's quite the opposite - politicians plead with the media to run favorable angles
ascii_field: 'take'im to the press room.' 'where the newsmen are?' 'no, where we keep the press. for peine forte et dure.'
decimation: in case you forget who calls the shots
decimation: note that air force one currently has special provisions to transport the press on board
mircea_popescu: the only way out of this is through congress mandating obama in solemn session to come suck our cocks with his special plane and everything. fly a little around the world.
mircea_popescu: hence the entire line on trilema re herr flondor.
ascii_field: (ergo, it makes zero game-theoretical sense for victim to give so much as a satoshi!)
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:38:17; thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: this is what makes civil forfeiture of bitcoin terrifying, because instead of just pressing a button on a computer, they'll torture you until you give up your keys.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184248 << 'until you give up' - l0l! it makes zero game-theoretical sense for them to ever stop until you're mincemeat
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184251 << see the 'coke machine' thread
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:23:08; BingoBoingo: Which mean sure, you can trip balls, but the toilet is getting hugged the whole time