mod6: [jurov run's the mailman stuff, so he'd be probably more apt to grok whatever your asking for ]
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:52:21; mats: 'pramfs' looked furthest along when i last checked
ascii_field: ('disk' in the broad sense of relatively slow, inexpensive place to park bits)
phf: mod6: sorry, i wasn't really prepared to explain what i mean, i thought you would just grok the request as an obvious one. we probably just have very different workflows
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:49:20; mircea_popescu: ascii_field in practice this may not be a problem. the gavincoin insanities aside, growing by 300 bytes every ten minutes may well be sustainable indefinitely into the future.
shinohai: mod6: if you want another auto.sh, I'll try and help you when I understand this new build xD
mod6: But as I get through more of these and test more of these, I'll put something together to make this process easier.
phf: mod6: no, i'm asking you to provide an archive of raw messages as they were received and stored by mailman. something like this http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October.txt, but withtout attachments split into separate files
mod6: But I've only started scratching the surface with alf's latest, so this hasn't been done yet. All of these are still in my "Highly Experemental" category. AKA: use at your own risk.
mod6: basically, instead of me making a whole bunch of different one-off scripts for peoples seperate clients and whatever stack they've got, I just create one script that will patch in & verify all the scripts at once. usually after I've tried and tested them all myself, peronsally.
phf: mod6: well, lets say you have something like mutt open with the current email. it's pretty easy to write a script that takes current email and feeds it to an external script, that splits out patch, verifies it with the provided sig, and then applies it to the codebase (or pushes it into some queue of patches as a case may be). i.e. you read the email, push "p" to do everything for you, and then move on to the next email
mod6: <+phf> mod6: no no each email. i thought that was the whole point of ascii's approach, i.e. linux kernel style "read email, think, apply the patch" << im not sure what their process is.
mod6: plus, create a How-To guide. Both of which need updating for the flurry of recent patches that have been submitted. Just haven't had a chance yet.
mod6: <+phf> the process was needlessly complicated since my mail client lets me do a bunch of those steps (patching, gpg verifying, etc) with a single key, so if i had an mbox, i could just import it, and then use a more familiar interface << so, what I've done in the past was; create a perl script that pulls down and verifies all the patches and applies them to a common baseline.
phf: mod6: no no each email. i thought that was the whole point of ascii's approach, i.e. linux kernel style "read email, think, apply the patch"
mod6: so wait, you're just going through each email and pulling out patches? or are you on that part of jurov's website with the signed patches?
mod6: ahh. im not sure i remember mbox. and yeah, the whole thing is a bit... unwieldly
phf: the process was needlessly complicated since my mail client lets me do a bunch of those steps (patching, gpg verifying, etc) with a single key, so if i had an mbox, i could just import it, and then use a more familiar interface
mod6: can you point me to the web-archive you're using? just curious.
phf: mod6: i don't necessarily have problems, i have a bitcoind with all the patches up to eatblock (haven't looked at stator yet, but then i'm building with enemy tools). the way i assembled patches is by reading through web archive and saving/verifying each patch as i saw it
shinohai: Then when I get this new build up, I can sync up to the correct nodes, and .torrent dat chain.
mod6: heh, this boost compile is taking a while, because i'm also syncing at the same time haha
shinohai thanks mod6 for the dedication
mod6: ex: are you trying to patch v0.5.3 to get to v0.5.3.1? (You can just download the release tarball). Are you trying to patch v0.5.3.1-RELEASE with alf's patches? (must read emails to figure out the deps, OR you can just build the stator which includes all of alf's patches with exception of dumpblock & eatblock), those must be patched post extraction of the stator tarball -- of which im actually testing now.
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mod6: I'll work on something for that within the next week probably.
mod6: So a bunch have patches have been submitted in the last month. A read through each of the emails is kindof required at this point because they all have specific instructions and dependantcies.
phf: trinque: tbh i thought it was broken, since it's missing chicken, gui, etc. only once i went through the exercise of making my own did i realize that those are not part of mailing list history
trinque: I didn't know the patches page existed til today
phf: mod6: it would be nice to have an mbox or maildir tgz for the mailing list with all the attachments still included. took me couple of hours to reconstruct and verify patch list, while could've been done in matter of minutes with procmail and mimetools
mircea_popescu: goies nicely with the discussion of that time when they fucked up deleting a qntra article iirc.
punkman: because they fired some chick
shinohai: The plot thickens
trinque reads the ml message, derp
mod6: we've got quite a lot to do before we're there anyway.
mod6: punkman: ok. i thought we had decided to leave the miner in there for now. but yeah, thanks I'll let ya know.
mod6: one of the things that pains me with the SHA1s re-written into the filenames, is if you pull these files with curl, you have to rename them to their original names before you can verify the signatures.
trinque: shinohai: isn't the idea that you want your pool as big as possible?
shinohai: There should be a super-secret #b-a mining pool.
punkman: mod6, let me know if you want me to rebase/resubmit cpuminer-snip or guicruft-snip before the next release
trinque: for some odd reason spam botnets don't seem to bother at all with tls being required
trinque: jurov: could the btc-dev mailing list send mail via tls? requiring that on my mailserver's end has drastically cut down on spam, but I think that's causing me to miss mailing list messages
mats: 'pramfs' looked furthest along when i last checked
mats: that'll be interesting when the dichotomy vanishes. linux has been adding support for persistent memory afaik
mod6: sure, ok. so what we'll need to do (and even I haven't tried patching those in myself yet) is to extract the stator, then apply the patches.
shinohai: kk but the whole reason I want to do this is so I can try the new patches by ascii_field, the blockdump
mod6: yeah, that's what i was saying before: leave your v0.5.3.1-RELEASE as-is. Then setup a new environment to give the "stator" build a try -- is pre-patched, so should be able to compile and run, or if your slightly more daring, just run the included pre-compiled (by alf) binary (ensure to check sigs first!)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field in practice this may not be a problem. the gavincoin insanities aside, growing by 300 bytes every ten minutes may well be sustainable indefinitely into the future.
shinohai: @ mod6 I think I should start with a bare build. the other one is fine, son't want to touch it xD
mircea_popescu: right. i don't think so either.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: at present, i doubt that we'll turn up any oddities in the blocks per se
mircea_popescu: there is that.
dignork: ascii_field: it's less cooler than i wished :) For example there is an interesting problem with blind shuffling.
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shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 tried the new patches, failed utterly xD
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assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 14:56:37; dignork: mircea_popescu: I can't currently handle it myself, but I can bring a friend and we'll split the work, would you be interested to cooperate?
pete_dushenski: while in food program, i only ever issued one executive officer's order on the spot
pete_dushenski: even the lowest of the low restaurants here, outside chinatown at least, are quite good
ascii_field: so got to see the secret rat-sized cockroaches in restaurants, etc ?
ascii_field: because 'mortally dull' sounds like they actually made you work
pete_dushenski: i know, i used to work for the largest employer in the province, 5th largest in country
trinque: trying to do something requiring talent? that's swimming against the bezzle!
trinque: pete_dushenski | ascii_field: well did you ever think that if maybe you weren't so darned talented, you'd have more options ? << if you want to make money in the US economy, don't swim against the bezzle
mod6: oh wow, your nearly there. great!
ascii_field: and shamir for the original poker
mats: is there some way of computing some function of the cards that reveals certain properties of the aggregate of the table without revealing people's particular cards
mats: on yesterday's subject of poker: the concept of revealing 'hole cards' as transparency to enable auditing and prevent cheating seems to keep coming up in my discussions about WoT poker with online poker players
pete_dushenski: ahh, the good life...
ascii_field: a corpse, buried at sea, has the most options:
ascii_field: funkenstein_: i pay the 700 in order ~not to wake up with a bill for 500,000~
ascii_field would like to the eleven or so threads where he described this, but won't bother, probably everyone reading this recalls
mats: rashida jones knows exactly what she's doing, and she believes she's manipulating folks into doing the right thing by preying on the viewer's instinct to protect women and children
funkenstein_: even assuming retarded farmers and homeowners accepting fiat, this is still not "control" in the sense of being able to issues a billion tons of rice. The stuff still has to exist and is limited.
mats: clever manipulation, this. imply women are being preyed on, that they haven't any agency, and that teens should be protected from themselves because she had no idea she was doing torture porn until she got to the set, and didn't resist at the critical moment
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: i'll give you something to chew on. for instance: i pay ~700+ usd / mo just to have the possibility of accessing basic medical care if i need it
mats: BingoBoingo: 'There's no regulation', '... and it's really difficult to believe that the girls who were crying when they're being "raped" are always acting and performing'
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: which, sadly, they do.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: and where ~you~ buy it, that wouldn't cost me the price of a fleet of 'boeings' to get to...
funkenstein_: only in so much as farmers and homeowners accept their counterfeits
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: to the extent that the federal reserve is a counterfeiter, they most certainly control food (monsanto) and bedding (housing bubble)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: this comes back again to the amount of $$$ you imagine is needed to 'eat like king'
ascii_field: not in the sense of my shoes
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: capital in the sense of machine-that-lets-you-eat-without-working
ascii_field: if i'm not paid enough to 'reallocate capital' - to borrow mircea's terminology - than i am in same category as the 'room & board' folks
trinque: it'd be a vast improvement for their lives
trinque: pete_dushenski: I had this notion regarding the bums all over portland, that someone should take them to nearby farms for day labor in exchange for meals, showers, and somewhere to be warehoused at night.
ascii_field: this is amply described in the literature
pete_dushenski: well, they worked to not be shot in back of head.
pete_dushenski: there are no approximations here
decimation: ascii they give a little walking-around money too
decimation: well, I was thinking of when all value passes through the bitcoin hole
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: not sure this will show any symptoms of happening any time prior to the die-off
ascii_field: most expensive in the world
ascii_field: punkman: is there one that isn't in a shitlang ?
decimation: it would be neat if bitcoind could generate the same kinds of stats as blockchain.info
ascii_field: phf: post it to therealbitcoin.org ml!
decimation: like, why can't I communicate the blockchain to anyone I wish, in any way I wish
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ascii_field: and http://www.cjr.org/watchdog/under_spains_gag_law_covering_the_news_could_cost_you.php
decimation: maybe in the future all farms will be owned by ADM, dept of usg agriculture
funkenstein_: i'm holding out for the john deere tin woman
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decimation: because 1/1000 is too many working on the farms
ascii_field: can't wait for the first famine directly traceable to winblowz
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: It's a workalike. Apparently had a few previous names it burned through before they decided to just wait for reddit to kill itself.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 13:43:47; punkman: "Poole said that one neighbor using self-driving technology downloaded a software update that disabled his tractor for a week in the middle of planting season this spring. If a system is working, farmers will often hold off on updates rather than risk complications"
ascii_field: in other nyooz, apparently 'reddit' has imploded and replaced with a very similar service, 'voat.co'
pete_dushenski: computers aren't rakes nor tractors, but they're fantastic noise machines.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: in the sense of 'sorry, wasn't us, it was this bug'
ascii_field: afaik nobody predicted that ~dysfunctional~ computing would be the mechanism
pete_dushenski: then a huntin' i shall go, a huntin' i shall go, hi ho the marry-o, a huntin' i shall go.
ascii_field: in the sense of applicability to pete_dushenski's favourite subjects
pete_dushenski: other b-a books include mp-advised 'secret life of dali'
pete_dushenski: which, i suppose, only works when those bezzlars are being traded to back breaking labour across the pond somewheres
ascii_field: 'straight dole' only works if coolies are breaking their backs somewhere
pete_dushenski: ok, that's kinda a lulzy idea...http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/03/can-puerto-rico-be-a-laboratory-for-the-future-of-the-rest-of-the-u-s/
pete_dushenski: "We have 50 million people getting food stamps. What if, for at least one meal per day, those 50 million people were invited to come to a social meal? The same deal with SSDI. We could offer enhanced SSDI benefits for those who move to an “SSDI party village” where at least half of the neighbors are also on SSDI."
pete_dushenski: ^greenspun rehashing the 'usa becomes africa just like it always wanted' thing from the logs
pete_dushenski: "As there seems to be a political consensus in the U.S. around raising minimum wage to $12-15/hour, if we assume that Americans as a whole will respond to economic incentives in the same way as those who live in Puerto Rico, presumably the 50 states in 10 years will look like Puerto Rico today"
BingoBoingo: mats: The actual evidence filmed supports the thesis that given the opportunity no one wants to work in fast food.
BingoBoingo: <mats> thesis: maybe porn should be regulated so 18 year old girls can't do torture porn because maybe they're being exploited << Honestly the documentary's content doesn't seem to support that point even though it advocates that point.
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mats: thesis: maybe porn should be regulated so 18 year old girls can't do torture porn because maybe they're being exploited
kakobrekla: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33378778 << The Catholic Church wrote in comments submitted after the bill was proposed: "Should freedom of expression go so far as to mean that the identity of a person of faith can be freely insulted, then personal freedom - as individuals or groups - is undermined."
scoopbot_revived: Hits and misses of Ted "The Unabomber" Kaczynski. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/03/hits-and-misses-of-ted-the-unabomber-kaczynski/
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:27:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184001 << well, look it up. there's a present risk of suffocation, and most sudden infant death correlates with shared sleeping arrangements. baby should have a cot, something. even if it's just a sling hanging off a hook by side of your bed.
ben_vulpes: you'll spend less, they'll work less, and your systems will be vastly better for not having mongo in them
ben_vulpes: man you can get a sql user (not an expert, mind you, but someone who understands it has used it and can avoid common retardations) at half time for approximately half the cost of some hotshit "full stack developer" who thinks mongo's a good idea
ben_vulpes: and because none of them were designed for that in the first place because a) it's hard and b) fucking retards write nosql stores for hackernooz points the algebraic layer turns out to never actually work. or it locks everything up while running queries that a real db would plan handle like a boss
decimation: I'm suggesting an intermediate step where you query your nosql db properly and place the results into a structured relational db
decimation: well, yeah that's the real-world situation.
ben_vulpes: otherwise you're going to start running the kind of braindamaged queries your 'nosql' layer support and then glomming it all together into something representing a query in application code
decimation: the only situation I can imagine is if you have a gigantic pile of disorganized data, that probably has a structure
ben_vulpes: (and even that can be handled by mother postgres at rather high efficiencies these days)
ben_vulpes: i've yet to see the real world problem that a nosql db was actually the right solution to that wasn't actually a cacheing/cdn problem
decimation: yeah, there are situations where 'nosql' is appropriate, but plenty of situations where you want structured queries too
ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm finally seeing the tide receed from mongo's highwater
ben_vulpes: you can even derp the raw binary into pg if you're so inclined
ben_vulpes: if you're storing as the appropriate ints, floats, doubles, strings etc
decimation: or using it to feed another tool, like has been accomplished
decimation: other than 'wanting a backup copy'
decimation: yeah I don't grasp it either
ben_vulpes: but perhaps there's a good reason for writing the blocks directly to disk that i'm not grasping
decimation: shitgnome bitcoin devs never bothered apparently
decimation: I suspect satoshi intended on making a transactional database using the block .dat files at a later date
ben_vulpes: i've lost weeks, months of my life to the unqueriability of mongo and phriendz
decimation: I can see 'saving space' for the transactional table, but why also keep the blockchain in binary form?
ben_vulpes: p. sure the transaction indices were tossed for space saving reasons aka shitgnomery
ben_vulpes: i was under the impression that it was either not relational or was only being used in bitcoind as a kv store
ben_vulpes: has anyone verified the full chain as puked out from asciilifeform's `shitblock`?
ben_vulpes: if you had the whole blockchain querieable in postgres, you could infer account balances in the usual fashion and sell reads over a pg connection
decimation: such a thing would be needed for the 'private wallet query service' that ascii and I discussed last night
decimation: or is it just saying that they aren't databased efficiently?
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 20:44:30; ascii_field: 'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).'
decimation: oh no the reddit owners treat the tens of thousands of people that work for them for free as slaves!
decimation: lul "As much as Victoria is loved, this reaction is not all a result of her departure: there is a feeling among many of the moderators of reddit that the admins do not respect the work that is put in by the thousands of unpaid volunteers who maintain the communities of the 9,656 active subreddits, which they feel is expressed by, among other things, the lack of communication between them and the admins, and their disregard of the thou
Vexual: yeah they wash up here like flotsam
diana_coman: I did not really check it, but if it works even in this neck of the woods, it can't really be
Vexual: for the game
jurov: diana_coman: do you still have the harness pic somewhere?
jurov: she wore out several of them
Vexual: thanks for the insight conman
jurov: yes. you must take a photo with a chair on the head to receive it ingame
Vexual: faark theres a cookbook (tm)
Vexual: chairs for the head is a pillow?
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HeySteve: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/pepsi-is-testing-doritos-flavored-mountain-dew/382542/
HeySteve: the thing about Witcher 3 is you can amass a huge inventory of weird parts, like monster tongues and bits of string
jurov: HeySteve: there's mining delay in eulora now, so you can multitask :D
HeySteve: only other game I can remember dreaming about is original Doom
Vexual: i must say im more than a little intigued, even discounting the favours you mentioned
davout: pm me a postal address and i'll send them
davout: jurov: if you want a couple pogos i can send them to you
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asciilifeform: (why not the claims of old spain? of indians?)
asciilifeform: or rather, http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/1/how-to-resolve-american-property-claims-in-cuba.html
assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 04:33:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181553 << yes, there will be plenty of 'work' to be had there, re-converting the island back into a u.s. bordello as it was in batista's time; 'privatizing' and demolishing the spiffiest pharama plants in the western hemisphere; shipping the best doctors to drive cabs in nyc; etc
trinque: something suitable for the human-like creatures eating food-like matter on a couch-like object in a home-like hovel they quasi-own
trinque: Since Facebook's 2012 IPO, it has needed a compelling "story" to tell corporate investors, says IBRS analyst Guy Cranswick. << btw the new meaning of the quotation mark in english is herein lie lies
trinque: the bullshit never ends
asciilifeform: looks like these are going at about same rate
asciilifeform: thinking of the guild system ?
decimation: note that scamarkets were generally the only market for most of history
asciilifeform: iirc the israelis have that scamarket cornered for decades
decimation: maybe if we end up in the same sharishka we can work on identifying the voice of traitors together
assbot: A face-swap app registered the car's tire rim as a face... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLA8Bh )
asciilifeform: related famous bushism: 'Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.'
decimation: http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/19/obama-confuses-white-house-for-prison/ < related "?We should be reforming our criminal justice system in such a way that we are not incarcerating nonviolent offenders in ways that renders them incapable of getting a job after they leave office,? Obama said, effectively comparing being in prison to being in office."
decimation: only if they feel you 'pose a threat'
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc, in mexico it is not unlawful to escape from a prison. (in the sense that such a prisoner will not have an additional sentence imposed if caught alive.) but, similarly to usa, it is permissible for police to shoot escapees if they feel like it.
decimation: apparently if you commit a felony involving violence, the police can summarily execute you if the 'feel you pose a threat'
assbot: Why Police Can Legally Shoot Fleeing Prison Escapees | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLzbsG )
decimation: http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/heres-why-an-officer-was-legally-allowed-to-shoot-the-escaped-prisoner-in-the-back/ < "You cannot shoot any fleeing felon, but certainly you can shoot the one who poses a real threat. There was no reason to believe this person who had killed a police officer before was not posing a real threat."
decimation: what about the days when su judge would consult telephone to moscow before ruling
asciilifeform: ru is on a 'dictatorship of the law' and 'property rights' kick
decimation: asciilifeform: how are they gonna get an injunction against bookfi?
mats: slide 7 reads neither HVM nor PV
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decimation: asciilifeform: https://universonline.nl/2015/07/02/dutch-universities-start-their-elsevier-boycott-plan
trinque: I would expect (as admittedly a casual in the kernel space) to find the same kinds of break-out flaws in docker and linux containers as are found all the time in xen
trinque: assuming the hardware, kernel, distro, docker, distro, and your proggy are perfect, sure!
asciilifeform: gotta love the 's333k000r1ty benefitz' of running a blob of hipsterystrange as root
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trinque: the docker daemon itself is this vast wad o' golang that runs as root
trinque: whereas xen is a hypervisor, docker uses the linux containers thing, which effectively gives you multiple userspaces
trinque: yet another "lets try to layer tape upon the turd and hope that solves the underlying derp of the system"
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see the cache telegraphy escape?
asciilifeform: (not to be confused with the last such, which relied on a flawed emulation of pc floppy card. this one uses nic.)
asciilifeform: based on yet another piece of qemu cruft
asciilifeform: http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-135.html << moar lulz. yet another (!) xen escape
asciilifeform: ^ contains a link to the original paper, for anyone unfamiliar.
asciilifeform: decimation: that is only needed when one is verifying the 'fair' bit
decimation: I would think it would require examining the outcome of every player's bet
asciilifeform: (see, for example, the 'millionaire protocol')
asciilifeform: iirc the satoshidice inventor offered a reward to anyone who might devise a means whereby he can prove that he doesn't do this
asciilifeform: whose only purpose is to be one of the 'provably fair' winners that day
decimation: yeah, me neither, but sending the server seed seems like you are putting your balls on the chopping block
asciilifeform doesn't care for either kind of dice game, cannot comment re: the appeal of 'provable' ones
asciilifeform: because go & prove that it is a physical whatever, rather than a house-always-wins source