mats: "it is not a case of the compiler doing something crazy because of undefined behavior."
asciilifeform: (though there is some debate as to whether it matters ~which~ type of cousin one fucks)
decimation: nevertheless, isis is certainly where you would find someone who knows how to survive a shitstorm
asciilifeform: ask the hassids
decimation: not to mention the generations of inbreeding
asciilifeform: just think of the moral degeneration from ~that~
asciilifeform: nor are the 'desert horde' exempt from the radiation damage of welfarism. ferfuxxsake they're getting free tanks by the column !
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 00:50:10; mircea_popescu: the sad result of post-war welfarism being that "the west" is now in this sad position where the brightest minds are in the heads of some unwashed horde somewhere in the mideast.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188874 << 'brightest' is not really the word
asciilifeform: i don't give a flying fuck personally, but the terminology might sow some confusion among readership
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu minor nitpick with article: 'bitcoin core' is what the gavinists call their turd. the traditional client is generally known as 'bitcoind'.
asciilifeform: 'The average C/C++ programmer's intuition says that uninitialized variables are fine as long as you don't depend on their values. A more experienced programmer probably suspects that uninitialized variables are fine as long as you don't access them. ... Well, it turns out that even if the caller does nothing at all with the return value ever... ... the program might bomb.'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: "if you don't have a debt jubileee it's like you are shoveling jews into the furnace"
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 01:23:43; mats: i haven't noticed any actual bugs, but its apparent the person who wrote the port literally just copied it over without using python idioms like factories
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188886 << the only reason i found it readable
asciilifeform: note that 363954 is 1) past the nominal ph0rkpoint 2) on a public node
asciilifeform: in yet other nyooz, still wedged at 363954.
asciilifeform: in other news, Run Moar Winblowz!!!11!!
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 02:22:58; mats: half a tb of emails and code there.
ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188871 << please excuse my obtuseness, but what is "THAT"? ability to resolve "THE PROBLEM" of a thoughtchain fork?
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 00:47:52; mircea_popescu: because i am so amused that someone could use the relatively advanced keyboard but not know how to do THAT.
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 00:47:24; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> resolution of thoughtchain forks is not even close to a solved problem. << the resolution per se is probably as you point out not even approachable as a problem, which is unsurprising seeing how it logically predates the notion of problem. nevertheless, the resolution of THE PROBLEM of thoughtchain forks is actually a very well understood thing.
decimation: critical self examination is the root of learning
ag3nt_zer0: just looking at the log here and feeling stupid haha
assbot: [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDAl7I )
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/ << 1 btc. << fwiw I did try creating the callgraphs in doxygen with SVG format; the graphs looked ok, but the links were all broken etc. maybe someone else has a better way to solve this.
mats: (they got pwned, if that wasn't clear)
mats: half a tb of emails and code there.
scoopbot_revived: [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/
assbot: [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIhNVn )
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 16:30:55; ben_vulpes: you have the weirdest fetishes.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/bfc307fa93045657609cf07f10a3e124/tumblr_nodp2qkWTB1sjyuzzo1_1280.jpg
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:58:04; mats: iirc usg has provided four frigates for naval defense, a pathetic number in any case that could not stop any mildly determined attempt to storm the island
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188270 << they're as good as the entire us navy, which idem could not stop. so it makes sense, they're serving all the symbolic purpose that can be served, at the cost that can be borne.
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:33:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187470 << what i was saying there bears repeating. if we had a fleet of pogos deployed, they would ~all~ be paperweights now. and for so long as we use the cpp turd, there can be no guarantee of this kind of thing not happening in the future.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the lefty "tactics" are purely sexual behaviours. if you examine it through the lens of "i am looking at an anal child", it's readily apparent they're seeking parental contact.
mircea_popescu: got practically some indonesians or somesuch. not even counting the significant costs to the helpers - the british empire ended up dismantled as a result, in a manner very much reminiscent of the "fetlife dmca's mp, and as a result some random dc in the us pays for mp's yacht".
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:17:05; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188084 << this is known, from mr mold's articles, as the 'kick the dog till it bites then shoot it' algo
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188255 << i dunno that it's known as anything from there, but i'll point out to you that a) the only time this was ever successful was when the jews did it to hitler in the 30s. the cost was, a practical end to that ethnic group, because the jews calling themselves jewish today are not the central european hasids who were to jewry in 1920 what china is to asia today. they
mircea_popescu: "you wanted to benefit from responsible disclosure protections, you should have been in the wot" "but at the time i made that decision it seemed a no brainer, why expend the effort" "right. this is why you die."
mats: i haven't noticed any actual bugs, but its apparent the person who wrote the port literally just copied it over without using python idioms like factories
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:11:48; asciilifeform: in general principle: destroy backups (the morons often make this possible!), produce leaks from which there ~can be no recovery~, etc
mircea_popescu: the sad result of post-war welfarism being that "the west" is now in this sad position where the brightest minds are in the heads of some unwashed horde somewhere in the mideast.
mircea_popescu: decimation their branchline is in no sense backwards. it is currently the consensus of thinking people (alf said "ru", but really, i agree, everyone with any sense agrees, ru is no determinant) that they are in point of fact broadly correct,
mircea_popescu: because i am so amused that someone could use the relatively advanced keyboard but not know how to do THAT.
mircea_popescu: i've been peppering ag3ntzero guy with exactly this for the past week
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> resolution of thoughtchain forks is not even close to a solved problem. << the resolution per se is probably as you point out not even approachable as a problem, which is unsurprising seeing how it logically predates the notion of problem. nevertheless, the resolution of THE PROBLEM of thoughtchain forks is actually a very well understood thing.
decimation: might even scheme to move the whale's path
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (the cost is not apparent while the spoils of war - american tanks, ru/cn-contributed ammo, asian electronics - are plentiful. but try after!) << quite exactly this.
decimation: as in their ideas only look foundational in retrospect
decimation: I would also note that hardly anyone who builds on the mainline 'thought trunk' is aware of the fact that they are doing so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that math wot reduces to, having the right people to laugh at you.
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. it is an interesting point about the muslims, having to square the circle of islamic teaching forced them off the 'trunk' onto a backwards branchline
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:37:34; asciilifeform: let's pretend that it just happened to fall upon the earth.
asciilifeform: why not, e.g., vernam (one time pad)? seemingly low-tech. but in point of fact, i can picture the conversation. 'provably unbreakable.' 'by what proof' '...' 'ah, but this mathematics is not in our wot.'
asciilifeform: doing anything more recent - even, e.g., a 16th century italian cipher like gerolamo cardano's grille - would be quite inconsistent with the whole framework
asciilifeform: the fella we keep bringing up, who directed his followers to use caesar's cipher, was actually being the very example of intellectual consistency here.
asciilifeform: (the cost is not apparent while the spoils of war - american tanks, ru/cn-contributed ammo, asian electronics - are plentiful. but try after!)
asciilifeform: look how much of the 'thoughtchain' the folks flying the mohammedan flag ended up having to ditch
asciilifeform: makes global thermonukefest look like a cheap carnival ride
asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end'
BingoBoingo: This is a crisis of existential proportions! I don't know who the Buttcoin public thinks I am.
BingoBoingo: And anyways I thought you said they said I was MPOE-PR
williamdunne: Yeah, they deleted it before I could pay my witicisms
assbot: Influence of Gavin Andresen and his fellow developers of the Bitcoin Core client waning to new lows as their attempts to force misguided efforts end in disaster. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1G26Qq1 )
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: No I clicked the link and it gave an error instead of showing great comment.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: obviously these can't be both true.
mircea_popescu: cazalla here's a funny : one view shows the article at 5 votes and 8 comments. the other, 6 votes, 6 comments
mircea_popescu: wasn't the guy married to some chick people were more or less jokingly proposing to be satoshi in early say 2010-2011 ?
mircea_popescu: (the three, for the studious : 1929 ; 1945 ; 1989. the ww1 was not on the list, but instead a great time for romania. unexpectedly enough. young cvountry)
decimation: yeah I think I follow. it's kinda the root of ascii's complain about computing stuck in the 70's
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mircea_popescu: once you have to start forking the thoughts tho... that's gonna be hard.
mircea_popescu: the general fate of "o noes, we will be poor" decay-of-civilisation ~small thinkers~ envisage is nothing compared. romania went through three of these in a century, was fine, will be fine. so will the us, if that's all it is.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless... this isn't, actualy, a big problem. hasn't been, for five millenia.
mircea_popescu: obviously if you restart the process of 5k years ago with the means of 5k years ago you will get the comensurate results. this is a fact, because the processors still work, and in the same way.
mircea_popescu: one of the rural inhabitants of a post-war italy that looks like 1300 ad is a shepherd. and he tells, the story of sherperding, specifically, that he talks to the stars
mircea_popescu: the plot is that a guy goes through villages with a broken camera, tricking people into paying him to make them cinema stars.
mircea_popescu: and the epitome of ~that~ distinction is as far as i know best illustrated by tornatore. in "l'uomo delle stele".
mircea_popescu: moreover, the strategic problems are often disguised as mundane things. i know at least a coupla of times my clock fucking stopped right here, over apparently nothings. and what the inept represent as "big problems" is almost never a usable or even vaguely correct representation. all about 'em, their emotional conflux, stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: decimation strategic thinking is not the result of "thinking about big problems". the epitome of this distinction is here : http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-35.0-35.271
mircea_popescu: if that 1% doesn't feel the state like a glove, the state's gone. kinda like my ancient "the state may exist inasmuch as and for as long as i can't tell it's there."
mircea_popescu: basically, the usg has managed to alienate itself from the thiny sliver of people who actually matter.
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 16:46:31; mircea_popescu: but moreover avoidance of the situation where you piss off the rightly powerful.
decimation: plenty of folks in usg and elsewhere see the big picture problems, but the usg throne seems to always get itself into 'urgent but unimportant' problems that distract them from any kind of long-term strategy
decimation: not that they ever did, really
decimation: on the freakonomics podcast, they had a guy on (retired army colonel) complaining that usg has nobody who thinks about anything strategic now
mircea_popescu: or, as the ever wise azn someguy or the other observed, "what good is your gold to you now ?"
mircea_popescu: "see, we're not even taking their lease on hong konmg. clearly we are the empire of law"
decimation: the chinese are willing to wait 100 years until your lease on hong-kong runs out
mircea_popescu: or so the bezzletron thinks
decimation: they just open a huawei factory in texas, texas pays them to do so http://www.costar.com/News/Article/Huawei-Moves-to-Legacy-Place-II-Promises-600-Jobs/116355
jurov: just buy the land with ..useless trinkets
mircea_popescu: the chinese don't do in your face anyway
decimation: no, they don't work that way
jurov: they don't need in-your-face
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 21:44:43; mircea_popescu: in general disputes over land utilization resolve in favour of the more intensive.
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188654 < oh, there's plenty that would resist an in-your-face takeover of the us by the chinese
mircea_popescu: i suppose the closest approximation of gypsy culture accessible in the us would be stuff like eve online.
pete_dushenski: also "it is time for any last pretense of Bitcoin Core's development having any actual relationship to the actual living core of the Bitcoin Network." << time for what ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: contrairiwise, the irish drink quite well, russian-like
mircea_popescu: anyway. actually genetic gypsy people don't drink well. this, they have in common with the hungarians. hence the entire thing in romania.
mircea_popescu: stuff like burning man etc stand for the peak of it there, but it's just about life 101 in gypsyland
trinque: no, nothing of the sort
decimation: those we got plenty of, but I never saw any evidence that they had families and culture
trinque: punkman: just losers in their 20s panhandling because as mircea_popescu said, nobody cares enough to beat them up for it
decimation: then again there's enough land in the us that you could live in bumfuck nowhere and not bother folks so much
williamdunne: decimation: I was lead to believe there was a growing "Irish" traveller population in the US
williamdunne: Just throw it into the stew, why not
mircea_popescu: williamdunne they're not really irish either lol. just called irish in england like they're called hungarian in some parts of romania
williamdunne: decimation: Generally people don't differentiate between Romani and the Irish traveller sort - all come under the name 'gypsy' in the common tongue
mircea_popescu: yeah, so said the sultan, cca 1400
jurov: they are no longer migratory
mircea_popescu: gypsies are a migratory sort, they're not anymore romanian than austrian, french or british
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: They say born in Romania, so yeah I guess it includes Romani born in RO
punkman: williamdunne: the great unwashed, we don't care about those
decimation: actually an enterprising young man from the uk ought to move to romania and start a factory
williamdunne: Can't be taking the piss that much
williamdunne: "The number of Romanians and Bulgarians working in the UK has risen by 15% year-on-year, Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures show. In the last three months of 2014 there were 172,000 people working in the UK who had been born in one of the two eastern European countries"
mircea_popescu: people gotta know why their ears are nailed to which board.
williamdunne: punkman: and the former are?
mircea_popescu: i am not upset in the slightest, tis history.
punkman: williamdunne: only the latter is "people"
decimation: mircea_popescu: I wouldn't be too upset, the romanians are taking the piss from the uk right now - talk to any london cabbie
mircea_popescu: decimation the particular thing that annoys me is that the fuctarded anglos traded greece for romania after ww2, because oh noes, got forbid the english "Aristocratic" fauntleroys get separated from the fabled homeland of collegiate faggotry.
punkman: there are plenty of people left if you ask me :P
decimation: it's become the puerto rico of europe
pete_dushenski: in the hands of a ninja ?
williamdunne: When was there ever an agile stick?
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 00:35:42; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185497 << what's the job mostly, looking at deep frozen pork bellies ?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1187792 << like most things, it was relationship building. they challenge being that i was always starting out as the devil and had to spin my way into the good books.
mircea_popescu: rest of the world won't listen until it starves too
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I'm not handing out sympathy here. But yes, I agree. Ah well, they're providing a lesson that is cheap for the rest of the world re; ownership
mircea_popescu: i hope half the country starves and the rest gets sold into prostitution in rural india.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne fuck the greeks. they should have bought btc for every penny they had. they did not
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 20:44:56; asciilifeform: it'll come in handy when i write the ph0rkvisualizer
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Greeks are now facing the Disqus problem; https://twitter.com/GreekAnalyst/status/617750418479820800
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes two things about chinese material research : a) american folk go "chinese have it so much better because their financing is secure" and b) they're spending about 10x more than the us
ben_vulpes: and with the work they're *doubtless* doing on autonomous flugenatoms that's going to be some impressive air support
BingoBoingo: Oh, no. Completely feral. No one knows who the last title holder was on chunks of the place. I'm not talking unfarmed because it is out of the rotation. I'm talking retired from the being farmed business.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne sure. and the us was built on european gold, look into the various panics culminating wit van buren
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Commercially I think there will be fairly rapidly increasing Chinese investment in parts of Africa. Although that is a different matter.
ben_vulpes: trinque: ah, i only meant to suggest that they might park an armada offshore to provide fire support.
trinque: ben_vulpes: far more plausible than china's going to land on the coast like normandy
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that's really the tension here : usians currently use the us like inept argentines: they huddle around the coast and pull their cocks. << Seriously big chunks or Arable land in Kansas went from farmed to feral in the past two decades.
mircea_popescu: (you may think "oh, wouldn't it be more logical to do africa first ?" and no, it wouldn't. africa's inhabited by monkeys currently, so it doesn't matter. same pattern played out in 1705 - napoleon went after europe not after the us. because in 1705 the us was africa)
trinque: something like the US is doing now in western ukraine
mircea_popescu: in general disputes over land utilization resolve in favour of the more intensive.
trinque: russia is not gone though the soviet union dissolved
mircea_popescu: that's really the tension here : usians currently use the us like inept argentines: they huddle around the coast and pull their cocks.
mircea_popescu: go walk the streets at night.
jurov: and i guess chicoms will be happy to leave all the desert to mexico
mircea_popescu: just like the us works now, so it won't even be strange.
mircea_popescu: and if you wanna b-talk, go to the b-tard reservation
BingoBoingo: I could see a mixture of A and B with the Chicoms tolerating B in the areas uneconomical to occupy.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> I can see no way in hell the south would deal with a chinese occupation << they seem to be dealing with a northern occupation just fine.
ben_vulpes: and china's the only one of those two groups today with ships and ship-launched rockets with significant distance capabilities.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: anyways, not like i'm defending the toughness of the americans, i'm just saying that b exists, not same as it being probable
trinque: mircea_popescu: but they hate obama mostly because they're having the reaction to "strange" you've noted
mircea_popescu: because inept governance has managed to alienate all the people who matter to cater to the people who vote.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski right. except atm those people whio would suicide bomb hate obama more than the chinese
mircea_popescu: trinque dude, the gritted dissent of the peasantry was never a notable historical fact
trinque: there are still rednecks with assloads of weaponry
trinque: ben_vulpes: you people never leave the cities, do you?
mircea_popescu: war means, i fear i have to remind, spending the next 5 years without a woman eating your belt and shitting in a hole you dug yourself.
pete_dushenski: so there's 80k, that's a lotta guerillas
mircea_popescu: well ok then.
mircea_popescu: who ever interviews them ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure there's gonna be some guerilla.
trinque: I can see no way in hell the south would deal with a chinese occupation
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski dude gtfo, there is no b.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: two outcomes from u.s. citizen perspective : a) "all hail the chinese, our lords and saviours" leading into much cock sucking, or b) "git off our turf yellow niggers !" leading into much guerilla warfare a la afghanistan
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i dun think the need for this will go away, so. take your time.
mircea_popescu: gotta serve the customer kako.
kakobrekla: right now there are more urgent things on the plate, once api is working as id like we can do something like dat. until then you can run the platform with wine.
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla oh and e) have it deedbot a statement gpg'd to the owner's key each month, listing their assets.
mircea_popescu: and to protect the citizens of baltimore from the criminal "federal government" with its long list of human rights abuses.
mircea_popescu: and next thing you know it chinese soldiers are on the ground looking to arrest obama to take him before miloshevich's tribunal
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ah that. yes, like this always happens : chinese navy gets ordered to camp out between galveston and florida keys, us navy gets warned to stay the fuck out of their way. what are they going to do, fight ? the us is not fight worthy.
mircea_popescu: and i bet you i would not be the only one.
trinque: got the fucker in a state where it'll be less of a pain in the arse to work on in the future
trinque: moved the hosting from s3 to my own nginx
trinque: mircea_popescu: btw deedbot.org is on a box that'll happily serve up the goods if referenced by another cname
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Stoopid is all over the shop
mircea_popescu: curious if this sends the chinese on a "democratizing" kick to texas.
williamdunne: The fact that they're having to do it, demonstrates the weakness of the markets and should surely inspire less confidence! Seems stoopid
mircea_popescu: ten-twenty years of building tin towns for tin women are catching up with them
pete_dushenski: "The government is anxiously awaiting the market opening on Monday to see if the new measures will halt a 30 percent plunge in the last three weeks,"
pete_dushenski: "on Saturday, China's top brokerages pledged to collectively buy at least 120 billion yuan ($19.3 billion) of shares to help steady the market, and would not sell holdings as long as the Shanghai Composite Index remained below 4,500."
mircea_popescu: we kick the "btc balance bot" thing in gear, next thing you know i can sit here and go
pete_dushenski: particularly the hard assets like oil, food, etc.
pete_dushenski: start pricing assets in something other than, as you said, zimbabwean pula
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: I'd assume like a standard CFD brokerage but they hedge the bitcoins to USD also
asciilifeform: mats: if you are interested in cardano, take the time to read this month's broadcast.
mats: with all this going on, are you making progress on the cardano?
asciilifeform: it'll come in handy when i write the ph0rkvisualizer
mircea_popescu: ie, it still does what it was meant to do (publish the old blocks) and it keeps a valuable datapoint for the future.
mircea_popescu: the one i published is gonna stay at the place it is for i wanna look at this fork more.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's the height of your node ?
asciilifeform: are there multiple forklets ?
mircea_popescu: it is, in fact, the one difference i see. there are the people who, when confronted with an unexpected symbol, DREAM UP a story involving it. then there are the people who fling the text across the room.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 363954 on dulap
mircea_popescu: the reddit reader.
mircea_popescu: tho apparently the english usage has been spreading.
asciilifeform: in ru, the numbers are 'сравнимы по модулю'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in engl. numbertheory books, 'congruence' is the predicate with the 'triple equals sign', ≡
BingoBoingo: Wasn't there some Jewish thing where numbers had location or some shit.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck are numbers going to be congruent to anything.