pete_dushenski: and then they come back with another 'acme' product with which to catch that elusive little bird.
pete_dushenski: much to the delight of redditards
pete_dushenski: and they apologize and 'fix' and blah blah
pete_dushenski: every road they've built thus far has resulted in them chasing the roadrunner well after they'd already passed the edge of the cliff
punkman: paving the way for bigger blocks?
pete_dushenski: "Block pruning works during initial sync in the same way as during steady state, by deleting block files “as you go” whenever disk space is allocated. Thus, if the user specifies 550MB, once that level is reached the program will begin deleting the oldest block and undo files, while continuing to download the blockchain."
punkman: I'm working on some bitcoind debug improvements, I'm losing count of all the different printing functions
pete_dushenski: "The minimum was chosen so that Bitcoin Core will be able to maintain at least 288 blocks on disk (two days worth of blocks at 10 minutes per block). In rare instances it is possible that the amount of space used will exceed the pruning target in order to keep the required last 288 blocks on disk." << RARE !
pete_dushenski: highlight : "Block pruning allows Bitcoin Core to delete the raw block and undo data once it’s been validated and used to build the databases. "
pete_dushenski: https://bitcoin.org/en/release/v0.11.0 << derps still derpin', giving "the community" more options that no one will use, least of all the miners.
punkman: ascii_modem: unless can retool for slave trade << you think they won't find new business?
pete_dushenski: this was also lafond's point in the walmart piece.
ascii_modem: back to the mexican fella - in a very important sense he is more dependent on usg staying in business than a u.s. post office director
pete_dushenski: p.s. where's qntra ? i have a bullet in the chamber
pete_dushenski: mayan ? i always confuse them lol
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well aren't we just the largest, bestest bitcoin company evar ;)
mircea_popescu: who asked them anything ?
punkman: pete_dushenski: and the US officials are angry http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/12/politics/el-chapo-escape-us-officials-angry/
pete_dushenski: speaking of which : "Mexico's most notorious drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman broke out of a high security prison on Saturday night for the second time, escaping in a tunnel built right under his cell"
ascii_modem: made in usa at this time (if not car) means that labour was ruinously expensive - and so there was no sense in saving five cents to make all the parts 'zamac'
mircea_popescu: first mexican beheading, a woman. not empowering enough for the derpstablishment ?
mircea_popescu: after which, beheaded her, and sent him the head.
mircea_popescu: this was a woman, married, with children. to a drug cartel boss. whose enemies sent a slick kid to seduce her, which the kid did. and he convinced her to withdraw millions of $ from her husband's secret stashes in the us
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone know the fascinating story of one guadalupe leija serrano ?
pete_dushenski: the cars are basically corn at this point. see 'bioplastics'
mircea_popescu: yeah, as in all dead empires. caragiale notes the case of the 1900s hungarian who declares that he'd rather eat soap wrapped in the hungarian flag than cheese in plain white paper.
ascii_modem: same in ru (of the period)
pete_dushenski: yes, i recall the 'working for foreign company' prestige
mircea_popescu: ie, the first step to establish if some item sucked was, "is it romanian made ?" for if it were...
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you gotta appreciate, at least at the time, being romanian was, to romanians, mostly a derogation.
pete_dushenski: if you're 'one of the gang' you're not using your noodle well enough
mircea_popescu: so then when i wanted to meet them she arranged a meeting and they were liek "oh, he's definitely not romanian"
mircea_popescu: best anecdote to illustrate this being, of course, that i had a (us born) woman over, many years ago, and she made some local friends (clueless kids all excioted about this english speaking american woman that knows computers and with nary an idea about the world around them)
pete_dushenski: that adverse response by 'the locals' is almost the entrance exam for la serenissima
mircea_popescu: chiefly on the grounds of not subscribing to various idiocies that there as anywhere constitute the spirit of propriety.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what i meant was merely that i don't generally seem very romanian to romanians themselves
mircea_popescu: (pecenegs are a turkic people, migrated in the 500s)
pete_dushenski: it's there when you need it and tucked away when you don't
pete_dushenski: thus is the fluidity of nationality as a concept
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski there's an equivocation at work tho.
mircea_popescu: how did that quote go, "In confronting that which they feared, he had become something else in their eyes...and no longer their champion."
ascii_modem: where then
mircea_popescu: there were like.... maaaybe two notable romanians. one was german
mircea_popescu: yay. you kidding me, these shits stand two feet tall
pete_dushenski: but what of 'transylvania mops the floor with rest of country' ?
mircea_popescu: you get to be the first dragon, for lack of notable historical anything.
mircea_popescu: this is fascinating. perhaps the only advantage of being romanian, but also perhaps the only advantage that could truly be called an advantage
ascii_modem: i've never lived in anything but the ribcages of long-dead dragons.
mircea_popescu: (this term, which probably does not exist in english, should probably be very much akin the xtian practice of eating crackers)
ascii_modem: but reality gets in the way
mircea_popescu: maybe another case of wishful thinking.
pete_dushenski: ....father bought for two tzutzim
ascii_modem: the lot of'em
mircea_popescu: turning a broken system into an extensive broken system does not fix the system.
ascii_modem: so next one picks up the hashng
mircea_popescu: but up until that point... the whole charade had been powered by her trying to deny this. which is substantially what honor is.
mircea_popescu: not because lazy, not because princess in her own head, but simply because there's an end to things. at which point she gets the ants.
mircea_popescu: and i mean, mentally naked, not without clothes, but without any ideology
mircea_popescu: i suppose i'm not putting enough explicit into this which i know from experience but perhaps alone. there is this thing that happens to a slave, when she's naked
mircea_popescu: until the body gives way.
mircea_popescu: sure. they'll honorably resist
mircea_popescu: i answered that in not taking the ants, they're doing exactly what people proposed miners do in 2010 : "well it's centralizing but they should honorably resist"
ascii_modem: well as i understood, you contend that the ant death is 'promise, not protocol'. when i suggest that it can be protocol, answered 'they will take the ants' - no ?
mircea_popescu: objectively, what difference can you see between the slave that mines slavecoin because otherwise the ants and the holy paladin that doesn't ravish the maid because... "he couldn't live with himself" otherwise ?
ascii_modem: can't say i ever visited there
ascii_modem: is mircea_popescu posting from some planet inhabited by beings who die rather than slaving, en.masse?
mircea_popescu: even if you do. the ants are adversity. what's the definition of honorable if not "perseverent in the face of adversity" ?
ascii_modem: can automate the punishment a la cokemachine
ascii_modem: because fed to ants if they slack?
mircea_popescu: why are the slaves mining ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem again with the "Honor!!11" ?
mircea_popescu: goes right into the discussion re monetary incentives a week or two ago.
ascii_modem: slavecoin then.
mircea_popescu: just like, you know, "coal burns in the furnace, yet coal in the mine will never run out" or whatever
mircea_popescu: it may very well turn out that bitcoin is a case of wishful thinking, entirely being powered by the illusion that we've managed to "get free energy" for as long as this illusion that "miners can be centrally verifying in a decentralizewd manner" lasts.
ascii_modem: what, you think they won't ?
mircea_popescu: there fundamentally can not be a way to organize mining that's not centralizing, BECAUSE mining is going to have to follow the same rules, as that's what it does for bitcoin : checks them.
ascii_modem: i've been thinking of the mechanics of miner war
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so you see a way to reinvigorate the middle ?
mircea_popescu: not that this problem wasn't broadly predicted and discussed 2010-2011. the solution, predictably, from white young adult us schmucks, was "honor!1!"
mircea_popescu: it was slowly nursed over half a decade by the above unfortunate centralizing force.
mircea_popescu: this is how the current "45% of network is dumb as rocks" thing has appeared
mircea_popescu: instead, they point at you.
mircea_popescu: the way this works is : if you're any good as a miner, you're going to have your own infrastructure. you might keep the pool closed,
mircea_popescu: the broader problem is that the way mining works is very much discouraging middle, which is a serious problem, as death of the middle class always precedes centralization.
ascii_modem: but will point out that we could easily have uptake among the not-quite-13373st but not the most ludicrously idiotic minerz
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem the gist of what i'm saying is that while foundation publishing the best code possible is a very useful and very worthy thing, you do not have game theoretic reasons to expect the things you were claiming to ewxpect
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 11:30:39; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198038 < turns out you know the guy https://twitter.com/ErikVoorhees/status/619253918468444161
ascii_modem: then yes
mircea_popescu: sop is meaningless for the aforementioned reasons
mircea_popescu: iirc the first > 500kb block was a year ago
mircea_popescu: what the current outsider schmucks (on #bitcoin-dev and etc) hope to achieve with their time is, release enough code that nobody* uses to give the impression they know their shit, so they can one day maybe join the actual miners as a junior analyst, and until then survive on conference rubber chicken.
ascii_modem: i would personally be surprised to learn that anyone bothered to implement multicpu ver prior to 950+kb blocks
mircea_popescu: there's a revenue model in place, and traditional software paradigms plainly do not matter.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem yeah, it's on the shelf right next to the secret cypher suites, have at.
mircea_popescu: even the schmucks figured that one out apparently.
mircea_popescu: why wouldn't they be talking directly.
ascii_modem: and i'll point out that if these people aren't talking ~directly~ to each other, they would still be verifying at speed of slowest link
ascii_modem: do we have any detectable sign of 'can think' existing in the wild ?
ascii_modem: and now the 'can think'
mircea_popescu: dumb enough to point THEIR hash at antminer or w/e
mircea_popescu: you know, spend three hours mining a spv verified chain because they just don't give a fuck.
ascii_modem: expand the 'cant think'
ascii_modem: so the few miners who use parallel ver ~waste fewer cycles on orphan chain~ and wipe the floor with the rest
mircea_popescu: but do not despair : the same situation was in place back when the power rangers maintained it.
mircea_popescu: game theopretically, bitcoind is irrelevant for mining.
mircea_popescu: so, again : if they can think they don't need you. if they can't think, they wouldn't even know you exist.
punkman: 0.5.3 getwork is not compatible with anything they use
mod6: ascii_modem: qq about stator build script: I was taking a closer look at this and it seems that your version removes 'no-shared' from the openssl configuration parameters and replaces it with 'threads'. Any main reason here? I thought we needed 'no-shared'? Just curious since your script seems to work well.
ascii_modem: miner working on chain that's been orphaned is pissing in the wind
ascii_modem: hence tuned into blks coming out of other miners
ascii_modem: the funny part is that only the coming of the mega-txspam could have brought this possibility about
ascii_modem: mod6 et at: i've a hypothesis: if we had parallel sig verification, miners would have a strong game-theoretic immediate incentive to seek out & use therealbitcoin nodes
punkman: I couldn't find any mushrooms at the market yesterday!
punkman: "Soldiers occupied Mexico City’s international airport, flights were temporarily suspended at the nearby Toluca airport, near where the prison is located, and roadblocks were set up at numerous spots"
punkman: El Chapo "slipped out of the prison through a rectangular passage in the shower area of his cell that led to a nearly mile-long tunnel running underneath the prison"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: yes erik voorhees wants artificiall price inflation on ltc and other shitty alts to keeps his shapeshift scam afloat
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:26:53; mircea_popescu: "At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ?
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198038 < turns out you know the guy https://twitter.com/ErikVoorhees/status/619253918468444161
mircea_popescu: "Tokyo police are investigating whether a man who cooked his own severed genitals and served them to five paying diners committed a crime, the force said Tuesday."
ascii_modem: '... in the next attack, i promise to burn up!' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: well... others are.
mircea_popescu: is perelmanism singularly unprofitable for the perelman ?
ascii_modem: 'martyrdom is singularly unprofitable for the martyr' (tm) (r) (uncle al)
mircea_popescu: the one that'd never have amounted to a hill of beans until some cop shot him ?
mircea_popescu: what's the name of that black schmuck ? i forget.
ascii_modem: plus they got doors.
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 06:10:36; mircea_popescu: u kno there's no such thing rite
mircea_popescu: said the daymio to the assassin : why would i want protection from contact with assassins ? you're giving exceptional blowjobs!
mircea_popescu: the dragons are made of economic reality :)
ascii_modem: as in, yes, theoretically, could touch you...
mircea_popescu: u kno there's no such thing rite
ascii_modem: would really rather perelman.
mircea_popescu: the whores i've known in my lyf taught me to not take a man's own word on that score.
mircea_popescu: we don't know each other long enough. but eventually.
mircea_popescu: well, i have not the instrumentation to make this point rigurouslyt
ascii_modem: i get that the reich is not 1000year, aha
mircea_popescu: and that enough is always > the enough for losing.
mircea_popescu: that's the problem here - to make a name you need a concept, and the concept's only circumscribed enough when there's enough errors on the table.
mircea_popescu: it is that by the time the mistakes got a name, the mistakes are by now too numerous to allow victory anymore.
mircea_popescu: it is not that the name killed things
mircea_popescu: by the time "systemd" is a word, usg-as-nsa is no longer.
mircea_popescu: by the time we have "politically correct" as a concept, us liberalism is dead.
mircea_popescu: by the time i can actually point to something, that side's lost.
mircea_popescu: but, without committing to being in any sense persuaded, or anything, consider the following :
ascii_modem: aside from the overall scamitude
ascii_modem: i dont see the gawker similarity at all
decimation: "we were intending to bring peace and freedom, not exploit the colony's resources"
mircea_popescu: this is always the loser's excuse, of course.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem understand that it doesn't matter what the loser of a contest cares about.
mircea_popescu: gnutls was marked for death along with everythning else i nthe pki scabies pile
ascii_modem: usg hasnt given a fuk re conquest in the normal sense of the word since war with spain.
decimation: "The “libapache2-mod-gnutls” package is especially concerning; this is a key glue mechanism between Apache and GnuTLS, but it seems to be minimally maintained. The others are libraries for processing various formats (images, compression, and XML) that are the basis for many other functions that do not seem to be well maintained. "
mircea_popescu: exactly how "war on terror" was a disaster for them. "oh we conquered iraq". "you won't be able to hold it"
decimation: but by their favorite sons, sure
mircea_popescu: <punkman> they must be pleased with systemd results << they are. and mostly on the grounds that they're measuring badly.
decimation: I would note that it seems this is in coordiation with the "linux foundation"
ascii_modem: they gotta come from somewhere.
ascii_modem: this - probably our best picture of operation of the gavinfactories.
decimation: usg's classic move is to pay $mil to contractor to tell it how it sucks, and then do nothing with the results
punkman: they must be pleased with systemd results
decimation: "Similarly, the Department of Homeland Security Homeland Open Security Technology (DHS HOST) program’s goal is to “help facilitate the continued adoption of open technology solutions (including OSS)...to improve system security....” They have asked the Institute for Defense Analyses to identify and collect metrics to help identify OSS projects that may especially need investment for security."
decimation: The Linux Foundation (LF) Core Infrastructure Initiative (CII) is trying to identify OSS projects that need special focus/help for security so that it can best identify OSS projects needing investment.
decimation: yeah, pretty much - which is the honest answer
decimation: top of the list: ftp, netcat, tcpd, whois, at
decimation: heh apparently usg paid its think tank to identify the top open source projects that 'need security investments' https://github.com/linuxfoundation/cii-census/blob/master/results.csv
mircea_popescu: i wonder if google telepathy keyboard will work intermediately. secretary on her back with the things attacked, you stick your cock into her and write your next article.
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 02:30:55; gernika: I attended a lisp meetup in SV today at which someone presented their altcoin which happened to be written in CL. This altcoin exists apparently because bitcoin too "too slow."
mircea_popescu: but it IS exploiting the opportunity.
decimation: hire non-idiots who don't want to enter the chumpatron somewhere where feeding real estate isn't the entire economy
decimation: this is obviously countereconomic, what puzzles me is why hasn't someone exploited the opportunity?
mircea_popescu: well, let thjem come out and say that then
decimation: and then interns would be happy to live 10 per apartment mexican-style for the very small chance that they can get some google equity
decimation: yeah if they doubled 'slave wage' in sillycon valley it would only double housing expenses
ascii_modem: only brake on the realestate blackhole.
ascii_modem: fact, they ~must~ fix wages, or die
decimation: this goes to ascii's (orlovs?) deer who kneels down in front of the hunter
mircea_popescu: decimation from any settlement under 2-3 bn, the actuasl employees get zilch.
mircea_popescu: i guess as the flesh sears under the hot tongs, "high ranking" usg employees will scream how people "willingly paid taxes"
decimation: not counting the half for lawyers and admin
decimation: ^ split when given to the 65k employees
decimation: about 80% of usg depends on these kinds of 'willingly' gotchas
mircea_popescu: and iirc the woman with mcdonalds willingly bought coffee.
mircea_popescu: you know what, women willingly entered the workforce, what the fuck is with these "civil rights" lawsuits.
decimation: lol because the suing class consists entirely of people who willingly entered the aforementioned chumpatron
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how it can cost them less than 10-20 billion
ascii_modem: if they dont fx prices - to borrow bushism - 'that sucker will go down'
decimation: judge threw it out at $325 mil, they upped it to $450 mil
assbot: End in sight for Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe wage-fixing lawsuit • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7gXQV )
decimation: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/03/end_to_google_apple_et_al_wagefixing_lawsuit_in_sight/ < lol
decimation: didn't the judge throw it out because it was rediculously low
decimation: heh you mean the wage fixing
mircea_popescu: that's only for when italian dudes run their own independent govt.
ascii_modem: it is holy to the lizard throne.
mircea_popescu: decimation they didn't end up paying ten billion over the rico conspiracy thing they had with the wage fixing did they ?
decimation: still, countereconomic as it might be, there's an opportunity here
punkman: they all have
decimation: I suspect google already has some kind of sweetheart regulation somewhere
punkman: decimation: will be fun when they have to bailout google
ascii_modem: aha, the normal deal is straight classical 'jam tomorrow'
decimation: yeah, it's just depressing. I would note that the above 'big 4' are exactly what everyone in the us is banking on to save the entire system
decimation: It's a real problem for young people in the us though
decimation: next it'll be 'we charge you for the electricity you used while here'
ascii_modem: lol re the 'bonus'
mircea_popescu: "Now, the average employee stays at Amazon for LESS than two years, so when you do the math to compare offers from various companies go ahead and factor that in. The entire system is designed to bring you in, burn you out, and send you on your way with as little equity lost as possible."
decimation: http://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/3ce0s8/dear_amazon_interns_some_advice_from_an_old_man/ < lulzy massive thread where purported employees of amazon (and 'the big 4') complain about how they are assraped by amazon/google/ms etc
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 04:17:05; mircea_popescu: punkman completely driven crazy with the body image these days. i'm surprised there's even females left at all, sometimes. reasonable expectation last one died cca 2003 over a bulimia-anorexia crisis.
ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198128 << is this even a thing ~other than~ for the ones perma-wedged at mental age 12 ??
mircea_popescu: they gotta pick something neh ?
mircea_popescu: definitely higher concern than the ntp
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:47:21; mircea_popescu: in any case : i don't like aes for purely political reasons. it became an apparent schelling point out of absolutely nowhere for no discernible reason. these situations always stink.
ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198070 << this goes far, far deeper. from my own explorations: 1) there is NO rationale public for just about any aspect of blockcipher -ANY of them - design;
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem same as bitcoin, really. it's there.
phf: ascii_modem: that's what kept me from continuing to work on that patch, but i still ended up hacking the code for bulk export, since O(n^3)
ascii_modem: decimation: there is no reason to reimplement bash loop, etc in something like blkcut
ascii_modem: can anyone tell me what the point of litecoin is after scryptasic finally happened ??
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:26:53; mircea_popescu: "At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: just curious to know if you had done something clever to dump the blocks.
ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198091 <<< so many lulz! recall 'serpent' and the Official Truth re: its rejection?
ascii_modem: in the ram plot article
mircea_popescu: at the time, as a game maker, it was "directx or go home"
mircea_popescu: nevertheless.
ascii_modem: the only edge microshit ever had anywhere was from collusion with hw vendors.