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ben_vulpes: ah it's the whole gang
ben_vulpes: oh is there a CaVirtEx and VirtEx?
ben_vulpes: heh. "one".
ben_vulpes: the one who did a runner with a Havelock "raise"
ben_vulpes: CaVirtEx
ben_vulpes: David Joseph?
ben_vulpes: how was the strip club, hanbot?
ben_vulpes: ah, he's a Joseph David stoolie
ben_vulpes: perhaps a lonely registered participant?
ben_vulpes: 'tis all i got
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: you flappin
ben_vulpes: i discovered recently that "baby" carrots aren't so much "lathed" as they are knocked around in a conical abrasive vessel
ben_vulpes: my eyes :(
ben_vulpes is but a humble student of the trade
ben_vulpes: secondary to?
ben_vulpes: if you'll forgive the glib response, figure out what can be riven from the satoshi codebase
ben_vulpes: spec a node, i guess.
ben_vulpes: then this implies a requirement that a bitcoind-node know about and be able to return data about the various chains of which it knows.
ben_vulpes: "antipattern" << lol
ben_vulpes: "there is only one chain" as well.
ben_vulpes: i see it.
ben_vulpes: ofc. central concern, this.
ben_vulpes: because of multiple chains?
ben_vulpes: (or N-1, or N-M)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if i know that the most recent block was of height N, I can ask bitcoind-node for the hash of the block at height N
ben_vulpes: idiomatic cpp aside, thoughts on the list?
ben_vulpes: f'r instance, the thing should cough up on the command line, a block if given a hash
ben_vulpes: but there are subspaces, if you'll allow the floppiness of wording.
ben_vulpes: true enough
ben_vulpes: (fin)
ben_vulpes: - relay transactions to the network
ben_vulpes: - return a block corresponding to a given hash
ben_vulpes: - return the height of the current best-known chain
ben_vulpes: - translate block height to block hash
ben_vulpes: translate block height to block hash
ben_vulpes: - download and validate blocks
ben_vulpes: here's a proposed list
ben_vulpes: on a previous topic, eg bitcoinating
ben_vulpes: mthreat this is almost worse than useless
ben_vulpes: !s bitcoinate
ben_vulpes: re dogillionaires, that was fluffypony
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i refer of course to the quoted price of attendance.
ben_vulpes: for the record, attendance declarations are only binding on those who wish to attend, not his unimpeachable lordship mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: hatchu.
ben_vulpes: worst story.
ben_vulpes: too bad i'm too bad of a scammer to pull it off
ben_vulpes: almost*
ben_vulpes: almos
ben_vulpes: amusingly, i was confirmed without paying.
ben_vulpes: assuming they're any good of course
ben_vulpes: arbitrated by...humans.
ben_vulpes: buttonwood_: ^^ that bet right there is a good example of best-in-class contracts.
ben_vulpes: anyways, buttonwood_ are you still interested in working this thread?
ben_vulpes: anyways, there was one. are you aware of why it shut down?
ben_vulpes: !up buttonwood_
ben_vulpes: that'd be the one, yeah.
ben_vulpes: there was an options exchange for a while, buttonwood_.
ben_vulpes is an incompetent hacker
ben_vulpes: ;;echo /msg ben_vulpes hello
ben_vulpes: ;;echo /msg assbot amazing
ben_vulpes: you're clearly in a good position to be talking about how business should be done around here.
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust buttonwood_
ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot buttonwood_
ben_vulpes: trust is built over time, and can't be abstracted out.
ben_vulpes: buttonwood_: you can't trust people that you don't trust. end of story.
ben_vulpes: <mats> use the ratings and talk to the raters << this. again and again, this.
ben_vulpes: and all of this because i asked about what should bear responsibility for creating and signing transactions.
ben_vulpes: much like if you want a > 1m transaction that's your problem
ben_vulpes: if i want to spend my low-priority outputs, that's my problem.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i don't understand what all gets signed. more than likely.
ben_vulpes: how is my signature even valid in that scenario?
ben_vulpes: but you're saying that if i cook up a transaction that has 1march29th as an input, the miners should actually rewrite that to use 1march15th as an input?
ben_vulpes: what miners do is...unknowable?
ben_vulpes: i'm talking about the reference implementation.
ben_vulpes: !up buttonwood_
ben_vulpes: so they actually troll through the whole blockchain
ben_vulpes: how are miners doing it?
ben_vulpes: s/do/should
ben_vulpes: do bitcoind-node and bitcoind-wallet share a db?
ben_vulpes: new topic!
ben_vulpes: great
ben_vulpes: got it
ben_vulpes: ah ah but check that a transaction is in a block
ben_vulpes: s/./?
ben_vulpes: all that must be done is check that a tx input comes from a previous block.
ben_vulpes: the bitcoind *node* doesn't give a whit about transaction creation
ben_vulpes: you're proposing a new "wallet" that knows how to create transactions.
ben_vulpes: i guess a step backwards is in order first
ben_vulpes: if i'm reading correctly, you propose moving transaction creation *out* of bitcoind.
ben_vulpes: which is the transaction creation process.
ben_vulpes: if i can interrupt, i'm coming at this problem from an entirely different angle.
ben_vulpes: jurov: a transaction in a block contains the public key iirc
ben_vulpes: i guess this implies maintaining an index of txn hashes -> block hashes for lookup and validity checking
ben_vulpes: from *its* blockchain (database).
ben_vulpes: so then the thing *does* need to retrieve arbitrary transactions.
ben_vulpes: to verify a new transaction, one needs the previous transaction in hand, in entirety.
ben_vulpes: like i'm 5, please.
ben_vulpes: do you want me to say "not at all"?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> txn are verifiable aren't they. << not really. transaction only includes txid of previous transaction which itself has the pubkey required for validation.
ben_vulpes: bitcoind-wallet should generate and sign transactions.
ben_vulpes: bitcoind should not maintain a wallet
ben_vulpes: another claim, for your consideration
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> ... something wrong << what is best practice? feedback from industry leaders would be useful here.
ben_vulpes: b) bitcoind *should* be able to return transactions with unspent outputs
ben_vulpes: a) bitcoind should not return arbitrary transactions by id
ben_vulpes: so i made two claims, let's treat them seperately
ben_vulpes: okay okay
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how long does a "rescan" take these days?
ben_vulpes: and why?
ben_vulpes: with the utxo list in hand, a node could create a raw transaction for signing by an offline node.
ben_vulpes: i think that maintaining the utxo list is a good idea.
ben_vulpes: correct me if i'm wrong, but address balance is the sum of unspent transactions to that public key.
ben_vulpes: it's a much more tractable problem to find transactions relevant to a given address out of that list than it is to walk the blockchain for same.
ben_vulpes: if the node were to maintain the list of unspent transaction outputs, it would also have a list of the TXID's with unspent outputs.
ben_vulpes: -> LOTSAH3X
ben_vulpes: ./bitcoind getrawtransaction TXID
ben_vulpes: are you agreeing or what?
ben_vulpes frowns
ben_vulpes: not the best english, but what american knows how to write well anyways?
ben_vulpes: dunno
ben_vulpes: derpy guy?
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla gets it
ben_vulpes: when i made furniture, we went out of our way to put cunts into the woodworking.
ben_vulpes: "a single machine acting as a full node" << conformal has yet to answer any questions re: what the specs of this "machine" were.
ben_vulpes: anything in particular about that, mats?
ben_vulpes: another netsplit?
ben_vulpes: my reasoning being that iterating through the blocks is adequate to get complex information out of the thing, and that producing unspent outputs is adequate for "bitcoinating" - eg, producing and signing transactions.
ben_vulpes: any *unspent output*, yes.
ben_vulpes: any *block*, yes.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't know that the thing needs to cough up *any* transaction on demand.
ben_vulpes: unqualified 'till i die
ben_vulpes: a pauper is i
ben_vulpes: oh as if its even a question at this point
ben_vulpes: salud, pete_dushenski
ben_vulpes: man seconds really crawl by when one's fucking with cron scripts
ben_vulpes: davout: yeah let me tell you about the manual checks in the billing process to catch rounding errors
ben_vulpes: we were like 14? 15? derping around on livejournal.
ben_vulpes: yeah!
ben_vulpes: <jurov> [] hanbot rather a pickup line, maybe. "wanna write my eulogy?" << i have actually used this one
ben_vulpes: nah. nuffin.
ben_vulpes: *crickets*
ben_vulpes: "uh, /etc/hosts?"
ben_vulpes: *seasoned* apple users totally boggled - "what did you use for that?!"
ben_vulpes: thirty second task.
ben_vulpes: i was entreated by a girl to "block some sites" on her computer. jezebel, gawker, others.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] this is the thing that always blew my mind about serious apple aficionados - they will pay, 20-100 usd, for a proggy that ought to be a 3-line perl script << funny, this
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] "the people" are simply stupider than they were even twenty years ago. << stupider? or more?
ben_vulpes: "american small"
ben_vulpes: "oh hang on let me take out my tablet to take this call"
ben_vulpes: *embarrasingly* large
ben_vulpes: the new iphones are lolariously large
ben_vulpes: it was an entirely serviceable music library manager, until someone decided that it needed more features.
ben_vulpes: itunes has been rotting since 10.4, at least
ben_vulpes: the mourning cry is "steve is dead"
ben_vulpes: and so...can't actually do math anymore.
ben_vulpes: the "calculator" in 10.10 uses javascript
ben_vulpes: references get dropped constantly.
ben_vulpes: can't handle trivial column shooping.
ben_vulpes: horrid.
ben_vulpes: they have this hilarious "spreadsheet" program "Numbers" that not just disregards 20 years of spreadsheet UI finessing, but also disregards their own text input conventions.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] ben_vulpes, possibly other folks who work on apple machines: http://www.mondaynote.com/2015/01/18/apple-software-quality-questions << tell me about it
ben_vulpes: prevailing opinion being that there's no point in making a high quality computing product...yet
ben_vulpes: i don't think though that we've extended this to computational substrate yet.
ben_vulpes: (the notion that a high grade product like coffee, or chocolate can be made in bulk, in such a way to appeal to the masses...well, this is old hat around here, right?)
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] danielpbarron: << handcrafted coffee now? << this actually is a thing. I've had it in CR. It looks say like : http://trilema.com/2011/chestii-pe-care-mi-le-doresc-dar-nu-le-voi-putea-gasi-niciodata/ << actually how all decent coffee is made
ben_vulpes: sounds melty
ben_vulpes: i was hoping for someone outside of the echo chamber.
ben_vulpes: !up Xuthus
ben_vulpes: who's that?
ben_vulpes: <mats> [] ive been here a while and i still can't get over the high class white pussy strolling the streets << take any home yet?
ben_vulpes: hola pumperos
ben_vulpes: man i gotta get better at telling stories.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes wait, this was a little girl ? << yeah
ben_vulpes: (mind you, the girl in question was herself running around nekkid)
ben_vulpes: a real, as mircea_popescu sez, lolwut moment
ben_vulpes: "THEY'RE KISSING!"
ben_vulpes: "EWWW!"
ben_vulpes: i was at the nude beach this summer. scads of folks of all ages and sizes parading around, lady v and i stretched out with wine and sammiches on a blanket somewhat away from the hubub. hundred feet or so down the beach i hear this little kid:
ben_vulpes: actually hilariously
ben_vulpes: NO FUCKING AT THE NUDE BEACH
ben_vulpes: the tail-buttplugs scheduled for saturday...meh
ben_vulpes: there's a schedule and everything
ben_vulpes: and messy post-hummer faces on monday
ben_vulpes: i'm looking forward to anal stretching tomorrow
ben_vulpes: but now mircea_popescu does it by hand and with more variety
ben_vulpes: a sad were we all
ben_vulpes: months
ben_vulpes: for like...
ben_vulpes: watch blocks coming in for transactions of relevance to your address, and then request them from btcd
ben_vulpes: undata: all you need to do is cook up raw transactions and sign them
ben_vulpes: maybe i should caveat with american "wood" floors
ben_vulpes: although wood floors and heels man
ben_vulpes: yeah fr srs
ben_vulpes: that's a demerit.
ben_vulpes: ain't nobody cooking on their knees, either.
ben_vulpes elbows undata
ben_vulpes: tell her to stick it deedbot
ben_vulpes: mright
ben_vulpes: it works better with close genetic matches
ben_vulpes: this would be a good story.
ben_vulpes: repeatedly too
ben_vulpes: TOTALLY GOING TO CLONE MYSELF, GUYS
ben_vulpes: so i can pump his blood through me
ben_vulpes: aw man now i gotta get my braindamaged clone to happen
ben_vulpes: “If two rats are not adjusted to each other, one will chew the head of the other until it is destroyed,” << yesssss
ben_vulpes: that's pretty bad
ben_vulpes: blech
ben_vulpes: nOgAnOo: you're cloaking tardily.
ben_vulpes: not i.
ben_vulpes: minix, eh?
ben_vulpes: ;;tslb
ben_vulpes: one must get to the place one wants to be, though.
ben_vulpes: allergic to the outdoors or something?
ben_vulpes: man you are *lazy*
ben_vulpes: Kushed: you're flapping.
ben_vulpes: quick poll: stehpinklers or sitzpinklers?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> okay. it's a similar thing for women. a girl "thinks she migh have been raped". a woman is slightly bemused at your apparent expectation that taking her clothes off puts HER at a disadvantage. << huh.
ben_vulpes: myeah i can smell that.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> punkman: fake boyfriends that is << the trouble with an actual boyfriend is that he just might make you a woman << just what distinguishes women from girls?
ben_vulpes: excuses excuses
ben_vulpes: gearshift can be a fun toy
ben_vulpes: you and your car fetish
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.nijotz.1:2d059de0adbebaa481f0efb6ce77cf7ff0034a39cd7cc5f8051ee8d4f8654833
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/mercedes-benz/sl-190/1958/276479 << i still don't see why you need that boat when you could have something pretty looking and leggy
ben_vulpes: also not really a breakthrough until the text's been parsed, but whaddaya want from "science" these days.
ben_vulpes: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150122114405.htm << probably just pornography, a la the logs for this place
ben_vulpes: keys are cheap
ben_vulpes: make a new one
ben_vulpes: !rate nijotz 1 dis guy i know
ben_vulpes: oh no voice yet?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> no wallet at all. << precisely this.
ben_vulpes: you'll tar your good name in here
ben_vulpes: exploitation, objectification, the whole lot
ben_vulpes: nijotz: you know this place is full of women hate and racism right?
ben_vulpes: whoa nijotz dropped by?
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