asciilifeform: possibly ought to be a shell script rather than patch.
mod6: ben reminded me to add a patch that removes the 5 .gitignore files. seems easy enough, so crated a quick patch, attempted to apply, worked fine -- I didn't notice that it blew away the directories as well though. : obj/test obj/nogui obj-test
mod6: but now I'm scared that even if i /do/ remove them by hand, they might get accidentially pruned by a downstream patch (later in time) causing the makefile to puke.
mod6: yeah, it basically zero's out the file, and then it seems to remove the file with -N (diff) and if there is nothing left in the directory, it zaps that as well.
asciilifeform: it removes files by shitting out the whole file as a minus sign delta
asciilifeform: this is all in the logz.
asciilifeform: mod6: iirc patch cannot remove dirs. which is why i wrote 'chicken' the way i did
mod6: so yeah this is annoying with `patch`. if you do `patch -p1 --posix < rm_gitignore.patch` it doesn't remove the dirs /or/ the files, just leaves 'em truncated. which is dumb too.
mod6: But you'll still have to create your own distfiles + ourlibs then drop in ssl/bdb/boost into distfiles. then pull down stator and build.
mod6: So this can be used as a test platform for all the patches, etc. . If you're really ambitious you can install gentoo as above ^^ then use this to pull down the v0.5.3.1 basecode and apply these patches: http://dpaste.com/23VKWD8.txt
asciilifeform: i've been waiting to hear somebody describe ~some~, even very theoretical, down side for those
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 11:37:45; punkman: fwiw, I've read the patches and it all seems good. I only have reservations about the 2 orphanage burning patches
mod6: oh and there is a new Gentoo guide for nomultilib/glibc -- I created it yesterday & trinque verified as well:
scoopbot_revived: Porscheflation and the death of automotive purity. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/19/porscheflation-and-the-death-of-automotive-purity/
mod6: <+punkman> oic now, forgot to put ShrinkDebugFile back in after deleting in first version, sorry! << np, just resubmit and i'll give it another try. or even just pass me a version before submit if you like just to be sure it works. np.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> AND if i'm reading this thread correctly if we blow away the DIR (!?!) compilation fails? << yeah, it's not really linus or git, it's patch that does the dirty work. and yeah, the makefile depends on being able to write to some of the dirs.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: were they using .gitignore files as .gitkeeps? << it seems that way kinda. i guess people tend to use .gitkeep (an unsupported work around instead. but w/e)
scoopbot_revived: The lulz of today, or "you think it's only some kids that will exhaust their resources soon?" http://trilema.com/2015/the-lulz-of-today-or-you-think-its-only-some-kids-that-will-exhaust-their-resources-soon/
mircea_popescu: an' in other news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/6c78f64a9cf079591e14000cf747ece1/tumblr_n2hiv0hJsV1ra163eo7_r1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: it is in fact the superlative failure.
mircea_popescu: and this because if i were the board of an automaker where this happened and the ceo failed to so fire the design team, i'd so fire the ceo.
mircea_popescu: with actual kicks to the backside, no joking around. "you are done in this industry and your mothers should be ashamed of fucking drunks"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206146 << i've been mulling over this the whole fucking day, incidentally. if i were ceo of any automaker and the new model made the old models go up in price, i would on the spot fire the entire design team.
punkman: fwiw, I've read the patches and it all seems good. I only have reservations about the 2 orphanage burning patches
mircea_popescu: there are TONS of such problems with the thing. not that they're necessarily unresolvable - maybe they'll get fixed. they won't get fixed however for a pet project that goes about as far as the "be an astronaut" curios.
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 01:18:02; ben_vulpes: anyways, the drivetrain is incorrect. yes, electrical drive is fantastic for the low-end torque, but regen brakes of engineering necessity must clamp down insanely hard in order to maximize current out of the machines.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206063 << not like there's an obligation on the part of anyone to sign. if people are happy with what signatures they see, they can use. if not, not.
mircea_popescu: i guess we're all just holding our breaths for the gossipd
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 21:38:39; felipelalli: keep both online, but when the free version is being attacked at least you have an alternative
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 19:07:35; ben_vulpes: <punkman> I'd really like the debug.log to be parseable, that's the main motivation here << this is an excellent goal. a+ if you crap out an EBNF to go along with it, instead of some "protocol is in the code" parser script.
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 18:33:59; mod6: Anyway, most of the submissions so far have been pretty top notch. We want to encourage people in the WoT to submit patches. If something is submitted but doesn't make it into a release right away, that certainly doesn't mean it won't be pulled in to a later milestone.
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » What other currencies besides Bitcoin have experienced inverse debasement? (“basement”?) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RGSg3h )
mircea_popescu: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/18/what-other-currencies-besides-bitcoin-have-experienced-inverse-debasement-basement/comment-page-1/#comment-267798 for teh lulz
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 00:22:12; assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 18:10:58; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so what's the plan, turning stator into a release ? << Yeah. I believe 'stator' + { eat/dump block, rm testnet & verifyall } should be the 5.4 release unless anything additional is submitted before we can finish testing & bundling release.
jurov: otherwise your whole C or even D block may get null routed instead...
jurov: you think it's ionly some kids that will exhaust their resources soon?
mircea_popescu: im all for it, let the guy waste his botnet time on qntra, 255 ips at a time, 65536 ips at a time, whatever.
ben_vulpes: the mind boggles
ben_vulpes: AND if i'm reading this thread correctly if we blow away the DIR (!?!) compilation fails?
ben_vulpes: mod6: were they using .gitignore files as .gitkeeps?
mod6: leaving the necessary directories.
mod6: perhaps we just don't use my submitted patch and then I just prune the baracles by hand in the release source base.
mod6: `man 1 patch`: -E When patch removes a file, it also attempts to remove any empty ancestor directories. << i can't get it to leave the empty dirs.
mod6: i can't get it to remove the file and leave the dir, or to just truncate the file and leave the dir.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 04:41:23; decimation: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102477304 < "When it comes to price growth, however, New York topped the list for prime property worldwide, according to Knight Frank. Prices jumped 18 percent in New York in 2014. Aspen, Colorado, ranked second, with prices up 16 percent."
decimation: re: porsche inflation < http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/03/nyregion/manhattan-real-estate-market-surging-at-years-end.html "Those deals helped push the median sales price for Manhattan condos, including resales, up 14.3 percent to a record $1,320,000, according to the Elliman report." (year 2013)
mod6: I don't see any ref's in the makefile to src/obj/test
mod6: i guess src/obj-test needs to stay because of the test stubs & it's ref'd in the makefile. that's fine.
mod6: so yah, looks like the patch blows away the obj/nogui dir along with the .gitignore file (it's the only file in the dir at the time - a clue maybe?) but if replaced, the compiles fine.
mod6: oh hmm, for some reason, i don't understand this (maybe someone can look at my patch and tell me why??) but apparently not only were the .gitignore files removed, but the directories were too.
mod6: bascially, what I do is; extract v0.5.3.1, patch up through -verifyall then apply the rm_gitignore patch. then this ^^
mod6: when I compile with my rm_gitignore patch (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000125.html) it fails!
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 01:36:55; decimation: some of the later beetles had a 'gasoline heater' kit
cazalla: in the spring
cazalla: plus i lose half my gardening area to shade in the winter here.. shitty houses built close together which block out the sun
cazalla: i planted them mid march from memory and yeah, i am not sure it is worth growing them either given limited space.. take a while
decimation: I love brussel sprouts, I'm not sure it's worth growing them. I guess they are easy to freeze
decimation: you plant them in autumn?
cazalla: decimation, yeah, probably another 4 weeks or so until i can eat em
decimation: some of the later beetles had a 'gasoline heater' kit
decimation: my dad told me that his dad used to have an air-cooled vw beetle back in the day
decimation: lol I didn't realize the old ones were air cooled
pete_dushenski: they've gone 'chinese' this last decade or two.
pete_dushenski: but the newer ones are all plastic and electronics
pete_dushenski: looking up prices for porsche 964/993 generation of 911 for '$75 dream garage' and i cannot motherfucking believe how inflated their prices have become in the last 5 years
decimation: it's a real shame the whole thing ended the way it did - clarkson being sacked for hitting the incompetent servants
decimation: the volt was a good idea - except for its price
pete_dushenski: the volt was quiet and felt surprisingly well built.
mod6: thanks for the reminder ben_vulpes!
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i quite enjoyed the volt
mod6: .gitignore patch submitted: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000125.html
ben_vulpes: but to return to the drivetrain: if you *insist* on an eletrical drivetrain, look to the Volt for the correct implementation.
ben_vulpes: this makes it difficult to finesse the brake.
ben_vulpes: anyways, the drivetrain is incorrect. yes, electrical drive is fantastic for the low-end torque, but regen brakes of engineering necessity must clamp down insanely hard in order to maximize current out of the machines.
pete_dushenski: actually this isn't a bad game : name all the cars you'd buy with $75k cash. go !
pete_dushenski: have a whole fleet ! the choices !
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: the one and only.
pete_dushenski: if you're pulling in 3-4x the price of your car, it's no sweat.
cazalla: don't get me wrong, some of these cars in that price range do look nice but i cannot imagine putting the cash down for it let alone taking a loan
pete_dushenski: you can't tell me 100k isn't the same as a 7 year waiting list
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: you'd know better than i about the test drive. that's just how i got my butt in one.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i don't see your comment either
cazalla: pete_dushenski, i don't see your comment either
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << hey jurov couldja sort this by date instead of patch hash?
pete_dushenski: huh ? the link works for me.
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » What other currencies besides Bitcoin have experienced inverse debasement? (“basement”?) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpIIzL )
pete_dushenski: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/18/what-other-currencies-besides-bitcoin-have-experienced-inverse-debasement-basement/comment-page-1/#comment-267787
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: There will be a testing phase with a distributed full-patched bundle... call it RC1.
mod6: I still do need to sign that I've read the patches, might get to that tonight yet. Or tomorrow. We'll see how it goes.
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 18:10:58; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so what's the plan, turning stator into a release ? << Yeah. I believe 'stator' + { eat/dump block, rm testnet & verifyall } should be the 5.4 release unless anything additional is submitted before we can finish testing & bundling release.
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 18:20:24; shinohai: I shamefully decided yo put all my crap in a github repo. There is no better way right now for me to organize it all.
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 18:17:48; shinohai: ok, then that is just 2, and testnet isn't important
pete_dushenski: u dun understand how the world works.
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 18:10:58; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so what's the plan, turning stator into a release ? << Yeah. I believe 'stator' + { eat/dump block, rm testnet & verifyall } should be the 5.4 release unless anything additional is submitted before we can finish testing & bundling release.
pete_dushenski: or mebbe you're more the stand-up comedy club type
pete_dushenski: ascii_modem: you don't seem like the broadway type but i'd be fascinated to know what you might see if you had the time for a show.
pete_dushenski: ya hardly needed much in the way of notes even, twas a moderately thorough discussion
trinque: pete_dushenski: ayep; good notes on the convo too
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell trinque as well they should be ! saudi royal necks are on the line and isis is all too happen to use that line as a noose.
cazalla: ugh this morning.. i step outside and slip on my ass because the decking is covered in frost.. first one this winter, at least the brusselsprouts will enjoy it
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/world/middleeast/saudis-cast-net-for-isis-sympathizers.html << It does appear that the Saudis are quite concerned.
trinque: the thing utterly needs to exist, and yesterday.
trinque: throw signatures into the mix and you have a completely unbreakable "website" hosting situation
trinque: second, any node accessing qntra has the option of caching the data and making it available for their own gossipd peers
trinque: first off, you have the choice of not dealing with people directly, but through any number of.. call 'em "gateway nodes"
trinque: felipelalli: were there a gossipd, it'd subsume this whole http mess entirely
felipelalli: keep both online, but when the free version is being attacked at least you have an alternative
mod6: i'm gonna need another box to test on anyway.
mod6: one other thing I gotta do is update the gentoo-uclibc guide to a new guide for nomultilib glibc, should be fairly easy. then test it on my pos box.
mod6: yeah, there would just be: Scenario: Create static bitcoind via buildroot, tfpt (or whatever??) to device, begin full sync
mod6: personally, i'm pretty clueless with the whole thing as of now.
mod6: yeah, i think there will be some further discussion around that. maybe dbp can help head up that side of the testing if he's willing (other than alf) he's probably got the most exp with the thing.
trinque: what's called for there? push-button rebuild and deploy of turdel with a newly built bitcoind?
mod6: *themselves
trinque: hm, maybe I can help with that one then
trinque: I've gone through it once, got the turdel served up over telnet
mod6: but people could certainly and appreciatedly take this task on for themselfs.
mod6: i don't/haven't ever setup the buildroot stuff.
mod6: i think the arm/pogo stuff is going to be have to be tested separately perhaps.
trinque: mod6: I've got an opteron box, pogo, i7, obsd i386, off the top of my head
decimation: I'm going to try to get the macports version
mod6: cool! thanks. yeah, we're gonna need as much help as we can get testing. and as soon as we have a solid test plan developed, then we'll cut a release candidate for testing.
decimation: even to work at the corner grocery
decimation: I've heard that this is a common problem in the us
jurov: and its brother makovník, best stuffed by so much poppy seed that it makes you very sleepy
ben_vulpes: punkman: i live and die by the dvcs, i like it just fine. mod6 hates it for some reason that's unclear to me, so i'm allowing for the possibility that i just have stockholm syndrome.
punkman: I kinda like that it includes the function name
mod6: i dunno yet. i haven't tried the new one.
mod6: <+punkman> mod6, what's missing from git output? << if you used -pU, it doesn't reflect that in the patch
mod6: ben_vulpes: the old one did not, because of perhaps something the ML did to the patch; stripping out an empty line at the end of the file.
ben_vulpes: mod6: does the patch not apply cleanly?
mod6: and then do a `diff -uNr`
ben_vulpes: so yeah a patch to excise the wx crap is great and wonderful and thank you etc, but i'd like to see it split from changes to logging behavior
mod6: <+punkman> (I did -pU, didn't change anything) << ah ok. git must have stripped that helpful information from the patch. fuck git.
ben_vulpes: i think i missed the debug sanity feedback threads too.
punkman: and there's also PrintException, PrintExceptionContinue, error() and more
punkman: which decides whether to write to debug file or print to console
mod6: doesnt look like that one was generated with -pU either though.
mod6: i'm gonna throw in debug_sanity-part1-corrected to my next build/sync test, and look at the output/impact of the patch. i should have some more meaningful comments after that.
ben_vulpes: <punkman> I'd really like the debug.log to be parseable, that's the main motivation here << this is an excellent goal. a+ if you crap out an EBNF to go along with it, instead of some "protocol is in the code" parser script.
ben_vulpes: gotta love these rubyists, centralizing all of the decentralized things. shithub, keybase...
ben_vulpes: <shinohai> I shamefully decided yo put all my crap in a github repo. There is no better way right now for me to organize it all. << you know that you can have a git repo on disk without ever pushing it to shithub?
punkman: main attraction is removing the wx crap
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski find someone who's a shareholder, they can do test drives
mod6: phf: keep an eye out for punkman's debug_sanity-part2 -- or maybe you both can coordinate together so that all three of these patches will play together nicely: debug_sanity-part1-corrected, debug_sanity-part2 and milli timestamps
mod6: Anyway, most of the submissions so far have been pretty top notch. We want to encourage people in the WoT to submit patches. If something is submitted but doesn't make it into a release right away, that certainly doesn't mean it won't be pulled in to a later milestone.
mthreat: "What other currencies besides Bitcoin have experienced inverse debasement? ('basement'?)"
mthreat: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/18/what-other-currencies-besides-bitcoin-have-experienced-inverse-debasement-basement/
mod6: for anything to make it into the next release, the patch must be 100% perfect and apply perfect. if I hvae to do any mental gymnastics or gyrations to apply a patch or whatever, it wont make it in. there's already a large enough scope on this release.
mod6: make something work for you on your end, see if it makes sense, and if it does, perhaps submit the changes.
shinohai: I shamefully decided yo put all my crap in a github repo. There is no better way right now for me to organize it all.
mod6: especially if anyone is helping test or whatever and they need debug_sanity they can just apply the patch to their local codebase.
shinohai: ok, then that is just 2, and testnet isn't important
mod6: not a huge deal. nothing super critical there, just nice-to-have type of ones.
mod6: Haven't had enough spare time to dig into it. Been hectic enough just trying to keep up with all the incoming patches.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so what's the plan, turning stator into a release ? << Yeah. I believe 'stator' + { eat/dump block, rm testnet & verifyall } should be the 5.4 release unless anything additional is submitted before we can finish testing & bundling release.
mircea_popescu: mod6 so what's the plan, turning stator into a release ?
shinohai: think of them as hot girls with snipped dinglies.
shinohai: Nothing to top off the weekend like a relaxing prostate massage.
jurov: dude was not very keen on bj's, went straight for the ass
cazalla: guess ya sorta derailed my joke then
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pegging | anal sex reveresed. instead of the man sticking his penis up the womans butt, the woman wears a strap-on and sticks it up the mans butt.
cazalla: just to clarify.. i fucked them, not some weird ass pegging shit if you're trying to set me up with some cool meme
cazalla: can't say i'm too fussed on the idea and both times i was pressured into it and obliged because if i don't, someone else surely will, in it goes
mircea_popescu: further study http://41.media.tumblr.com/5717b7cceb4ab697fca7355e63f60faf/tumblr_mzfa0mCnIN1qbgewho1_1280.jpg
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 07:40:30; mircea_popescu: an' in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/64967f37cc6cd78ef79fd75bc46cdb4b/tumblr_n625ybJIET1t7h3z1o1_1280.jpg
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205785 <<< riddle me this.. is it women who desire the buttsecks more so than men?
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pete_dushenski: "As faking a 7 percent figure takes more risk than releasing a lower but real one, China has no motives to forge the data... It is hence groundless to suspect the NBS faked its statistics." << cute.
pete_dushenski: re: modern leftist : they're inter-everything, inter-sexual, inter-raced, inter-gendered, all the way to inter-opinionated
mircea_popescu: an' in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/64967f37cc6cd78ef79fd75bc46cdb4b/tumblr_n625ybJIET1t7h3z1o1_1280.jpg
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 06:15:38; decimation: heh this nazi stuff is lulzy, looks much like the modern lefty platform - save the anti-immigrant stuff
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205707 << hitler was a national-socialist, the current lefties are international-socialists
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: how went the slithy toves this eve ?
mircea_popescu: and in any case "the right to be forgotten" comes from the same set as "the right to fried chicken". forgetaboutit.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact the various governmenbts don't have enough of a clue to even keep track of the most direct threats to their very existence,
mircea_popescu: there's this very strange delusion where twerps on the internet and beyond imagine someone, somewhere, (important! secret!) gives a shit what they do.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you're also not alone here. i'd be pleased to offer my urban planning and architectural services to the cause :D
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 03:39:46; ag3nt_zer0: so think I am done as I don't know what the hell I am doing
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205598 << eventually there's going to be a binary for macs as well, so check back in a few weeks
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205499 << well with that kinda tall shadow being cast onto the street, and that sort of whimsical 'build whatever wherever whenever' attitude, you're just gonna drive a stake through the heart of your pedestrian-friendly utopia, mister
pete_dushenski: and to largely the same effect, with the added bonus of the illusion of independence to what i can only assume are very slowly-witted readers.
pete_dushenski: derps like sebastian get wrung through the gawker-esque grinder for a fraction of the rate of internal marketing staff at an automaker
pete_dushenski: as far as car news sites and writers go, there's literally no other branch of 'journalism' that's so bereft of intellectualism, individualism, and integrity
pete_dushenski: lest you, y'know, bite the hand that feeds you.
pete_dushenski: this is what passes for "being observant" in an industry where you can't actually criticise the plastic balls of shit you drive every week.
pete_dushenski: writing about every little retarded marketing detail is par for the course.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205396 << sop to suck automaker cock and gargle balls in car blogosphere, of which 'autoblog' once ruled the roost (they still might even, but i doubt it, even though i stopped paying attention)
pete_dushenski: latin america is certainly a better opportunity than, say, asia, africa, the middle east, or europe for those usians looking for an exit door
pete_dushenski: only 400 mn people currently in the southern half and inhabited by a reasonably conquerable people
pete_dushenski: by which i mean, there's always south america
pete_dushenski: the number of countries offering free fertile soil to industries immigrants is awfully limited
decimation: as their ancestral homeland/city-states were steamrolled
decimation: initially it was poor folk with no other choice, but many in hte 1830-1860 bulge were people of some means who were 'voting with their feet'
decimation: actually many in that time period saw the centralization of the prussian mega-state and decided to leave... because there was somewhere to go
decimation: yes, and that area happened to be where land was cheap when the wave of germans were fleeing derpiness/overcrowding
pete_dushenski: where it's cold and the people hardier, basically.
decimation: apparently wisconsin, daktoas german ancestry is 'self reported' to be ~40%, roughly 20% through the midwest
pete_dushenski: kids gotta climb the ladder before they can jump off the diving board into the deep end.
pete_dushenski: "It's not as if the Wiz Schools have killed CS at universities. Not yet, anyway." << mkay then. pass the pipe.
pete_dushenski: "The ten largest ancestries of American Whites are: German Americans (16.5%), Irish Americans (11.9%), English Americans (9.2%), Italian Americans (5.5%), Mexican Americans (5.4%), French Americans (4%), Polish Americans (3%), Scottish Americans (1.9%), Dutch Americans (1.6%), and Norwegian Americans (1.5%)" << via 2008 census bureau
pete_dushenski: even with all the irish, italian, and eastern yurapeans ?
decimation: but their cultural distinctiveness has long disappeared into germanic surnames
decimation: actually, the white part has a significant portion
pete_dushenski: decimation: the anti-immigration, the free education for gifted only, and the get off your lazy ass elements are the only differences i could really spot
decimation: heh this nazi stuff is lulzy, looks much like the modern lefty platform - save the anti-immigrant stuff
pete_dushenski: someone in my meatwot is bound to splurge for one, and it'd then just be a matter of time before i snagged some seat time.
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 02:33:25; ben_vulpes: i wonder how pete woulda treated the tesla
pete_dushenski: and added my free commentary whether you wanted it or not !