asciilifeform: actually the real deal might be a locomotive-style drivetrain
decimation: to me the serious business is a full four-cycle engine
asciilifeform: this is why there was no (afaik) petrol-fueled model 'quadcopter'
asciilifeform: decimation: i was quite surprised to learn that at least one of the 'self-beheading incident' model choppers was electric !
asciilifeform missed all of the good stuff, but had elder brother. and thus from as old as could speak and think, already regarded civilization as a strictly past-tense affair
phf: there was a bunch of young pioneers car building clubs when i was growing up. that and model airplanes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But then you have to feed fresh water or material gets released
asciilifeform: and get new water from the spout.
asciilifeform: part of the reason for cutting heads is so that no one even begins to idly contemplate the notion that 'you didn't build that'
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
BingoBoingo: The part where starting pitcher finishes game by tossing in the bullpen tends to lead to irreparable elbows. US pitchers jsut start getting interesting around 32-26, Japanese pitchers would be candidates for tommy joh 2, 3, or 4 at that age + cartiledge dammage
mircea_popescu references the "for honor" thread here
trinque: The best method I see is being more or less invisible until such time as one's wealth can be used to undermine the other thing.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nah that's jp << Japs introduced to baseball ways to make sure pitchers retire at the age they should just be getting interesting
mircea_popescu: trinque as a boy, i was very distraught to find from my mother that if one invents something, he doesn't merely have to say what it should be
asciilifeform: like every other mega-hero
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. intelligence not impeached. just, there's this entire "genius" myth built around him because it was a particular time in the letters.
trinque: I'm on a crippled device atm, but is capitalism unencumbered by the state not enough of a thing to do?
mircea_popescu: there's also an appeal to cut one's own neck.
mircea_popescu: alf has a good point, there IS an appeal to making own car.
asciilifeform: even has a theorem of his own name
assbot: Napoleon Sightings: Napoleon Sighting #002: The Little Corporal ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vy9e3m )
decimation: he was called the 'little corporal' because he went out and sighted guns himself http://napoleonsightings.blogspot.com/2010/08/napoleon-sighting-002-little-corporal.html
BingoBoingo: finnish baseball sounds like the worst! When do you go to get your next beer?
decimation: the nordic system returns?
asciilifeform: or better yet, alive, and not being able to lift a finger, on account of them all wearing remote-switched detcord collars
phf: mircea_popescu: well, the scene involves everyone being dead by that point, and aguirre just making mad proclamations on a drifting raft besieged by invisible indians
mircea_popescu: but it seems a lot to me like making my own car. holy shit i'd much rather have a car someone else toiled with.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i want my own daughter. i suppose i should table this until i somehow have one,
mircea_popescu: it only exists from this side of the silver screen
phf: i the wrath of god will marry my own daughter and with her i'll found the purest dynasty the earth has ever seen
asciilifeform: the mega-appeal of revolution is, just as limonov summarized, it is a chance to trade in guaranteed-die-behind-desk for die-with-sporting-chance
decimation: on the other hand, when raw power is rushing around - available for many to grasp - someone's hand will be strong enough to keep hold
asciilifeform: you say things like: 'you - spread yer legs.' 'you - spat on my father. spread your arse cheeks for sharpened telephone pole.' etc.
mircea_popescu: you're moses, up on the mountain, you're smith with his fucking stupid hat and the even more stupid but full of themselves early americans
mircea_popescu: decimation no buyt see, it's an important problem. "so you're on the stage, alright now - what do you say ?"
asciilifeform: considering the grantsmanship that went into el doradoism
decimation: once they gain power and can't figure out what else to do
mircea_popescu: well so then.
decimation: asciilifeform: lol 'get rich' is almost immediately what the revolution turns into
mircea_popescu: revolution for people who couldn't afford to fight the king.
mircea_popescu: being rich isn't english either.
mircea_popescu: decimation sure, rich like the chiabur.
decimation: plus, maybe if the 25 year old is Napoleon you can get rich on some awesome loot
phf: i guess if your life is dull, might be better to be limonov. so it's a wish fulfillment, i.e. "when the zombies come i'll be the badass survivalist guy". i'm still not sure why byron did it though
mircea_popescu: ah, sure then.
asciilifeform: in more or less the same sense that all other vigorous and healthy activity is sexual
mircea_popescu: trinque it doesn't follow you should give a shit about yourself ; it doesnt follow even admitting that the world is of interest.
trinque: asciilifeform: everyone likes when a shithead gets his; is laughter for anything else?
decimation: asciilifeform: the thing tends to feed itself. the new army officer's position depends on the old officers being exiled, thus they are married to the adventure
asciilifeform: for the same reason why pink prime gurlflesh is more appealing than the circus horrors BingoBoingo linked
trinque: if I care about myself in the slightest?
trinque: doesn't my being embedded in the world necessitate being concerned with its state?
asciilifeform: the idea of biodieseling the sclerotic aristos and their imbecile offspring is appealing to healthy folks, imho
decimation: it's appeal to Napoleon to finally rule the world
mircea_popescu: ah, that's plainly obvious. they;'re appealing like rape is appealing. their bloody violence is sexually satisfying.
asciilifeform: for the 'armchair general'
asciilifeform: trying to formulate a hypothesis here
gribble: Monty Python - Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk ... - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAYDiPizDIs>; Monty Python - Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk ... - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6zWjUhfj-M>; Monty Python's Flying Circus: Brontasauraus Theory - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM10y4XgTG0>
decimation: it's possible the derp could be Napoleon
mircea_popescu: and then get clueless working cl;ass kids thinking "it's theiur calling" because totally, that's how the world works, with "Callings"
trinque: mircea_popescu: I think seeing the world as it is, one imagines there could be another where there are leaders with as you say, interesting things to do
phf: mircea_popescu: i see now what you mean by "for the stupid", re "neglect of consequences". i always thought that was a character flaw though, not necessarily sign of intelligence
mircea_popescu: i am bracving myself for the "sociology of sociologists of obscure fields" phd.
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 19:49:51; hanbot: "The latest Tweets from Quentin Amalou (@aquentin). Doctorant en sciences humaines et sociales à @UnivAvignon. Sociologie du cinema et de la musique." ftw.
decimation: well, keep the local da as part of your tribe :)
BingoBoingo: mircea I mean https://archive.is/ChrKw happened. I don't want to say "civil case" may be in the pipes, but... thank scientology http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/slap-can.htm
mircea_popescu: the 100 mn business majors looking to change the world in the US notably ARE energetic enough to run macdonalds.
asciilifeform: they are already in business
decimation: and they would likely be easy to escape
decimation: meh. usg doesn't have the energy to startup death camps
mircea_popescu: whosoever can not do this is stuck being a bureaucrat not a revolutionary, no mattert the context.
phf: i move few blocks away from where they burned down MOVE compound. though those guys were genuinely .. not quite there
mircea_popescu: see ? not so fun for the stupid. "true freedom" comes from a neglect of consequences.
asciilifeform: very easy to 'give less of a shit about govt' all the way until you find yourself trying the 'be tribal' thing in a usg death camp.
mircea_popescu: is there even ?
mircea_popescu: this is all fine, but there's a bridge between "my cunt itches" and "i'm married now"
asciilifeform: even re: the 'tribal' bit.
asciilifeform: and limonov was there in 1995.
mircea_popescu: organised crime is also fun. also for the stupid.
phf: revolutions look like fun though, "we were trully free on the barricades", that's why all those bored aristocrats would travel to third world countries, if they failed to start shit up at home. positive long term effects not so much
mircea_popescu: then why'd you care ?
mircea_popescu: trinque the better q, of course, being what are you going to say ?
decimation: revolution is the last thing anyone should want
trinque: asciilifeform: need "force amplifier" like your "mind amplifier" and forget about the derps
decimation: more likely: haho jump from the next border
trinque: I will admit to reading about various revolutions over the years wondering "where's mine?"
trinque: I'm not much convinced che's anything other than a celebrity
mircea_popescu: meanwhile any random mexican cartel owner is right now out of jail and if he's in he's running a brothel of the guards.
asciilifeform: the intelligent are sitting in some cellar, cranking out nth numerical approximations to schrodinger's eq. for system of five atoms.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the virility, audacity etc aside, and the guy's very seductive smile aside - he wasn't very intelligent.
BingoBoingo was kinda sad when mega fire did not hit during mega drought year of 2012 here. Would have been good for the Morels.
asciilifeform: brezhnevobama - the concrete, yes
mircea_popescu: but it's notreally the same thing. just an exam
asciilifeform admires the audacity and virility of che et al separately from the peculiar follies of 20th c. mega-empires
mircea_popescu: socialism is still the doctrine of unadorned stupid, and it's still this in large things as it is this in small things - be it revolution or your daily dealings. stupid stays stupid.
asciilifeform: eh that's sorta like saying that 'forest fire failed' - because there are still, somewhere, trees.
mircea_popescu: it failed in moscow as it failed in beijing - the successors are today more capitalist than hamilton, and for good reason.
mircea_popescu: re "And so a better example for Syriza to follow, were they to suddenly stop being Europe's pathetic poodles and don the mantle of fearless, heroic revolutionaries, is still the good old Russian revolution of 1917." << one willing to eat up this dollop should best remember that socialist revolution failed.
asciilifeform tripping on the fact that this existed
mod6: ok i think i fixed the dumpblock param issue, but it'll hvae to wait until tomorrow or when i have a bit more time to test
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/23/us-usa-biden-security-idUSKCN0PW2AG20150723 << the crime being "had a gun"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: To Live and Die with Honor: The Story of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising - Short - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlXMnn )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhlwy6d8vBk << not a bad likbez re: that other incident, also.
ben_vulpes: i wrote the kalash because it addresses needs of mine: being able to run arbitrary bits of the whole process
ben_vulpes: all of these "do this and then do that and then do the other thing" shell scripts that a) don't bail on error and b) aren't easily twiddled drive me up a wall.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 01:01:08; ben_vulpes: hanbot, mod6, asciilifeform, nubbins`, and panzers at large: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000129.html
mod6: trinque: we're talking about the origina barf on 168`001
asciilifeform: ^ did we ever determine the particular tx ?
trinque: asciilifeform: there's my debug.log a few lines up
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 22:16:20; mod6: so for the record, this is a "VerifySignature" failure, similar to that seen in February with 168`001
decimation: without mod (other than eater)
decimation: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zEH_vydUPPk/S48zqfAZfKI/AAAAAAAAACM/Og7E73HE62E/s1600-h/new_zone.gif < on the way to bombing romania (wwii)
asciilifeform: they took days, in some cases, weeks, to write - 10sec./each to verify is too long?
asciilifeform: are there really so many patches, that it is a major labour to verify them manually ?
asciilifeform: i never really got the point of 'auto.sh'
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, incitatus is at full height
asciilifeform: considering that it went, without any major changes, not only under gentoo but under the most wretched centos etc
hanbot: right. but then my question to you (& mod6 ) would be, if this is -the- way to get it done, should the RI be re-released to reflect that? though again, if the pain is in (reasonably straightforward) dependencies, rather than the release itself, i'd imagine that's another matter.
hanbot: ben_vulpes ofc, the dependencies arguably sh/could be handled before someone lands on RI stuff. hm. i guess i'll have to self-debate a while.
hanbot: ben_vulpes very cool. as said earlier, i'm explicitly going the "painful" route 'cause that's what stator ml post describes. i'd love to use the tools you & mod6 have put up --just, not the point of this specific exercise
trinque: which are coming from the compiler
trinque: hanbot: yep, because those messages are coming from commands in the build script, whereas further down there are warnings galore of missing headers
mod6: that /should/ tell the tale
trinque: it will then at least bail out at the first error, will otherwise happily derp past errors to the next command
trinque: hanbot: it may be helpful to change the script at the top, where it says /bin/sh, changing to /bin/sh -e
gernika: mod6 restarting on the same blockchain didn't help
mod6: This goes for all: If you get wedged for some reason while running the R.I. please stop in and ask right away. Back up the debug.log for us too plz.
hanbot: so .deb package checked against .rpm file list shows libc_stubs.a missing, the other eleven are present. debian says no .deb packages contain this guy. i'm assuming i need it. auto.sh still errorful after grabbing everything else here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209888 (errorflurry: http://dpaste.com/26ZEG17 ). doesn't look like that missing library has anything to do with it, but prolly problematic down the line?
mod6: you got wedged on the 168`001 block? aka: you were stuck on block 168`000 according to this.. although, i dont' as of yet see a Verify Signature failure in here...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [BTC-dev] ak47.sh: another script to build referenceimplementations ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlRDra )
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000130.html << panzers: snipped some assperimental macos turds
mod6: my one gentoo (all ascii's patches through verifyall x86-64/glibc) build got all the way up to where nsl is wedged. but my openbsd one is crawling along on verify all also... so far: height=220047
mod6: for us we thought that the 168`001 verify signature issue at first was due to the fact that 168`000 is the last checkpoint. but totally unrelated. threw us off for a bit though.
punkman: trinque, you could recompile and make it skip that one, find the next weird one
trinque: I can try a few other libressl versions later tonight, I think
trinque: mod6: right, that was the last that worked
gernika: mod6 let me know if there's anything else I can do to help with this. Would suck if x% of pogos wedged at 168001
mod6: <+mod6> ok so those happen a bit... then you hit block 124`275 and then fail to verify a tx in block 124`276 to no avail
gernika: I have the debug log yes
mod6: do you hvae the log?
gernika: Not sure how to get the txid
gernika: I have the last block
mod6: we saw stuff like that before with the 168`001 Verify Signature fail too. most of the time it failed for us... the three of us who were independantly testing it. But sometimes, it'd pass. Maybe 30% of the time. I was pulling my hair out.
trinque: yup, keeps one from littering information about path structure throughout the script
trinque: mind if I bolt my gcov stuff to it later in the week?
assbot: [BTC-dev] ak47.sh: another script to build reference implementations ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlPThQ )
ben_vulpes: hanbot, mod6, asciilifeform, nubbins`, and panzers at large: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000129.html
shinohai: I have rebuilt boost, made symlinks, and recited pages from The Necronomicon, but still cannot get rid of /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lboost_filesystem
trinque: build-essential is a big meta-package which only serves to depend on many of the other packages necessary for compiling things
hanbot: if glibc on its own is insufficent tho, i have little faith libc6-dev without the -static moniker would work
hanbot: trinque have libc6-dev, no idea if that's sufficient for ref imp building purposes. build-essential doesn't seem to have any explicit reference to static flavoring either.
trinque: you'll need libc6-dev for the headers and whatnot
trinque: that said I could be wrong, and perhaps the files required to statically link are in a separate package
trinque: "static" would be in reference to how your bitcoind is built against it and other libraries
trinque: hanbot: glibc should already be on there; it is the C standard library most commonly in use on linux
pete_dushenski: trinque i'm already practising the not sleeping lifestyle
trinque: pete_dushenski: congrats and best wishes on fatherhood.
cazalla: i am grateful my first was a boy, hoping the next will be too
assbot: Porscheflation and the death of automotive purity. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Im3JAT )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/19/porscheflation-and-the-death-of-automotive-purity/#comment-23778 << cazalla wins the elusive and much sought after 'contravex footnote reader' award :D
pete_dushenski: weird that RagnarDanneskjol linked to the nakamoto knock-off of mp's gpg contracts article instead of teh original
punkman: finished the new Fargo series, was pretty good
assbot: The Physiognomy (The Well-Built City Trilogy): Jeffrey Ford: 9781930846531: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1Im2bH1 )
punkman: re:physiognomy, kinda fun book http://www.amazon.com/The-Physiognomy-Well-Built-City-Trilogy/dp/1930846533
gribble: RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 4 days, 11 hours, 53 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <RagnarDanneskjol> trinque - i am occasionally using the nick for continued development on punks ver. if anyone here's partial to the name I can pass it over. Wow that xm42
trinque: mistyped my own and was bemused at the elephant
punkman: well the github link's mine
mod6: In other news, I have 6 automated tests. This is pretty neat.
mod6: so for the record, this is a "VerifySignature" failure, similar to that seen in February with 168`001
scoopbot_revived: The lessons of the Shoah. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/22/the-lessons-of-the-shoah/
mod6: ok so those happen a bit... then you hit block 124`275 and then fail to verify a tx in block 124`276 to no avail
mod6: looks like you made it 1500 blocks before you started seeing the nonstandard txin
pete_dushenski: 'tis the true mark of a professional : self-assessment
pete_dushenski: look in the mirror and find out ?
pete_dushenski: popular most recently with nazis and southern gentlemen
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 21:09:23; trinque: https://tribfox40.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/john-brennan.jpg << wasn't it a greek notion that you could know a person's character by their face?
funkenstein_: re: hastings, uconnect: "boston brakes" is the term used in reportage by veteranstoday and others
BingoBoingo: Just standard county bumpkin hypocrisy. Keep my misdemeanor case in limbo because they lack evidence while giving some village clerk dude a pussy pass for a politically motivated felony committed with malice.
BingoBoingo: I merely asked which Brennan hoping that you might have a connection between the Hastings murder and St. Clair County State's Attourney Brennan Kelly who has declined to prosecute fake Libertarian Dallas Cook for his felony.
trinque: I tend to think there's something to that.
trinque: https://tribfox40.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/john-brennan.jpg << wasn't it a greek notion that you could know a person's character by their face?
trinque: Due to Hastings ongoing investigations of CIA chief John Brennan and previous critical investigations of other well known figures, there was speculation of foul play.[9] Jordan played a role in clearing up speculations about her husband's death as being nothing more than a "tragic accident".
trinque: notably worked for the national security council, that group of bureaucrats that decides which pakistani kids are going to die today by robotic death from above
trinque: then... nada
trinque: iirc there's ample evidence to suggest Hastings was working on a story on him when he went for a long drive on a short road
trinque: that lurch-looking one that heads up the KG...er... CIA
trinque: so, we're going to try Brennan for the murder of Michael Hastings now, right?
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Who Can Know How Much Randi Zuckerberg Is Worth? ... ( http://bit.ly/1IeLUxe )
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Randi Zuckerberg Thinks We Should Untangle Our Wired Lives ... ( http://bit.ly/1IeLRBJ )
pete_dushenski: anyways, such are the perils of turning cars into computers.
pete_dushenski: "The Speed Week races that draw hundreds of racing teams from around the world to Utah's famous salt flats were canceled for the second consecutive year because of wet conditions." << moar climate change eh
BingoBoingo: For posterity the case of the prosecutor who declines to files charges against Clerk Cook, a self professed libertarian who likes to use police violence as a political weapon https://archive.is/ChrKw
BingoBoingo: Oh, look what happened the day before my next evidentiary hearing. Turns out alleged "victim" likes filing false police reports as a political weapon http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article28249051.html
hanbot: "The latest Tweets from Quentin Amalou (@aquentin). Doctorant en sciences humaines et sociales à @UnivAvignon. Sociologie du cinema et de la musique." ftw.
mircea_popescu: if it does they haven't so far said.
trinque: there's a "build-essential" package that grabs a lot of useful compiler stuff
hanbot: yep, i have the 'what to do' sketched out. atm i'm stuck on the v0.5.3.1 and the errors ./auto.sh threw out. typescript sez: http://dpaste.com/2MNJ748
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that's kinda the only way to do a 'muscle-powered version control sys'
trinque: that reminds me to turn off the tls requirement on my mailserver
ascii_field: what other answer could i give, than 'go to ml...'
ascii_field: hanbot did ask for the whole orchestra, ~manually~
mod6: What you want to do is to start with v0.5.3.1 and go through his messages that he linked and patch 'em in one at a time after verifying the hashes and the sigs.
mod6: So then.
mod6: so a lot to look out for... certainly not for the faint of heart. you really hvae to keep up in here and on the list to realize what's going on.
mircea_popescu: it's like the ultimate reference point. all ulterior repackaging may add convenience, but can't contradict it, basically.
mod6: but there are a lot of other patches in there that are not a part of that line or "branch" perhaps?
mod6: it is a reference point. the good news is, most of the patches that depend on other patches are linked backwards in the emails (by ascii) and have notes that say "depended upon by <a href=..."
mircea_popescu: mod6 well look, it's not a meaningless problem. "what's the reader supposed to do". going through the list and following the tree seems sensible.
hanbot: mod6 that's exactly what i want to do. after all, the mailing list is the reference point, no?
mod6: which is totally doable. there are like ~12 patches up through -verify all
trinque: could just read all the patches in that script you did
mod6: that was poorly worded. i wouldn't bother trying to go through that list of emails unless what you want to do is this: download & extract v0.5.3.1-RELEASE and go through every email, one by one, and patch by hand.