shinohai: @ asciilifeform is there a stator binary available for pogo anywhere?
mod6: I did get stuck a few times inbetween and i had to restart bitcoind, then it kept going.
mircea_popescu: user_999123 get registered with assbot, get rated, then you can self-voice.
ben_vulpes: hm, sorry. i'm asking the wrong question. was there ever a "reward restart" bug discovered, where the reward effectively started over after the final subsidized block?
ben_vulpes: related to above, when and how was the reward halving bug discovered?
asciilifeform: in other news, average human has half a cock
asciilifeform in other news is sitting and writing 16-bit x86 crud
mircea_popescu: in other news, woman has an alien https://daretoredream.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/birthing-pool-43-rev.jpg
mircea_popescu: the POINT of text is that everyone fucks with its bits.
mircea_popescu: whatever the pretext : so it's "easier to print", so it "can be handled by tabled", what have you, it's an abuse of text
mircea_popescu: point being, they're all the same thing, aka a pdf : an attempt to encapsulate text into some sort of blob.
asciilifeform: even some of the most bitterly chumpatronic drm-encrusted turd formats aren't paginated
asciilifeform: what's an ebook then
ben_vulpes: girl says "watch the tests come back and the nurses struggle to say 'you're a weenie, pregnancy hurts, there's nothing wrong with you go home' politely"
ben_vulpes: taking care of the girl. kidney/bladder mystery.
ben_vulpes: today we irc from the maternal care clinic!
assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 17:34:50; mircea_popescu: but to whosoever struggles to understand my outright rejection of pdfs : think moar. same stupid shit, the ebook of the 90s.
mircea_popescu: but to whosoever struggles to understand my outright rejection of pdfs : think moar. same stupid shit, the ebook of the 90s.
assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 03:00:14; asciilifeform: last thing the 'ebook' racket wants is an infinite fountain of free.
assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 02:49:08; decimation: cazalla: doesn't that strike you as the dumbest thing ever?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212510 << it's pretty fucktarded. "the only copy of this file is <<loaned out>>" ? bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: " how nerds around the world are trying to silence violent ISIS terrorist propaganda."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212474 << yeah, like they crushed anyone trying to make derpy social media sites with g+ and everyone trying to poke people in the eye with glass.
assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 02:08:19; decimation: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-24/google-has-way-to-unclog-drone-filled-skies-like-it-did-the-web < google salivates over the idea of appointing itself 'usg commissar of drones'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212471 << more like, only path to survival for google. they don't have an actual place in the marketplace, they're much too large, old and ossified to find one. if they don't pull a redhat/mcdonalds/walmart/whatever and screw themselves in the usg spigot, they're going the way of revlon.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212423 << mexico esp in the south is very distinctively colorful. superblue, megaorange, half the houses covered in shiny tile because mere paint not saturated enough...
shinohai: Dear mircea_popescu, this is why I think Spanish-language television is better than the Italian stuff you showed me yesterday: https://i.imgur.com/R6ClLWo.png
cazalla: zzzz preserve your memories, they're all thats left you
cazalla: in this house, we make pizza base from scratch mother fucker
cazalla: what ya reckon, like father like son, i think he has good aesthetics, just gotta hit those weights like zyzz in a few years time http://i.imgur.com/rBilkrW.png http://i.imgur.com/nIRxdfT.png
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: ;;later tell bingoboingo i don't mind the darker complection but hope you tripple wrapping that shit brudda
cazalla: well, that'd be the rest of the sambuca gone.. result is muh monitor is looking like it is placed a couple metres away and is like 50m wide
mircea_popescu: then again romania consists of brick and concrete.
assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 00:19:48; nubbins`: any home owners in here wanna share their annual insurance premium, as a percentage of the value of their home?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212358 << romania has a mandatory scheme (for the insurers - you may not obtain permit to sell insurance if you don't offer it to ANYONE!) that costs something ridiculous like 0.01%
mircea_popescu: it is also why b,tmsr~ works the way it does.
mircea_popescu: which point should readily explain why it costs the chinese nothing to make missiles and the usians can't afford to make a plane.
mircea_popescu: it is a much stronger state that which taxes everyone, no matter how little, than the one which mostly doesn't tax, but gets "more money". the money it gets are worthless to it
assbot: Logged on 24-07-2015 23:59:48; asciilifeform: usg has a firm grasp on milking the real feed base - the low-six-fig-usd artisan
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1212302 << taxation is first and foremost a political activity. it is an economic activity as a very distant second. the noton that "it'd ok because we;re doing productive milking" misses the point by about the same berth as the notion that "it's ok, we don't need guns because we got money". this is simply not how the car works.
assbot: Logged on 24-07-2015 20:58:09; ascii_field: i.e. if there is anyone here with a linux box on which any of the bins built thus far fail to run, something is very very wrong
asciilifeform: and can 'master the bus'
asciilifeform: several kinds are implemented. decoded 'in hardware' (that is to say, of course, by the thing running that microcode..)
asciilifeform: phun phakt 2: the words 'magic packet' appear in the chip docs. for traditional variants thereof ('wake on lan') naturally
asciilifeform: available evidence points to these being code for a dsp, which modulates the business end of that thing, ~in software~. whoever solves these, could, conveivably, play music through the pairs...
asciilifeform: phun phakt. ubiquitous series of ethernet cards by 'realtek' take (optional) microcode updates. (they are volatile, live in a kind of 'patch ram' until next reset.) they do not appear to match any known cpu arch (i tried a dozen or so.)
asciilifeform: and... where did the tx spam go
decimation: asciilifeform: actually I was thinking about how one could buy otherwise useless land in the desert, get usg to subsidize solar, and sell space in a 'miner's datacenter'
asciilifeform: (at times, the 'water sellers' are peculiarly slow to catch up - consider, for instance, that mains current cheap enough to mine btc with at a profit still appears to exist somewhere !)
asciilifeform: and it is very much not because they did not want to.
decimation: yeah, the miners were not known for actually holding gold
asciilifeform: ergo when usg throws money to academitards, it really enriches the vultures who feed on the latter
decimation: as for 'sheeple' - you of course realize how thin the shadow of an implication of a threat you would need to make for a tenure-hopeful to be thrown into near-suicidal doubt
asciilifeform: yes, elsevier is in the position to 'you get to pay us $2mil/yr or you don't get to run a university library'
asciilifeform: just like the suppliers of $100 test tubes and $500 table legs
asciilifeform: but it is a mistake to think that elsevier, wiley, et al exist to 'keep research from the plebes.' no one gives half a rat's arse about plebes. they exist as an inevitable fly on the juicy meat of the university
asciilifeform: precisely the kind of faux reform that exists to 'check a box'
decimation: they kinda made a halfass derp in that direction
decimation: generally the crown, or one of its organs
asciilifeform: the operative word is 'get'
asciilifeform: but also because today's academitards are risk-averse sheeple of the worst kind.
decimation: sure, but they use their exalted position to keep out those who don't have 'notes from stalin'
decimation: actually what I find far more offensive than pablum-slinging are the academic publisher fiefs
decimation: yeah, there's a tacit agreement - you can copy our stuff but only we can sell it
asciilifeform: try displaying the thing outside of turdtube, sans pestilential ads, etc.
asciilifeform: they still persist in delusions of 'ownership'
decimation: many otherwise strict copyrasts load up youtube with their warez (where they are easily copied)
asciilifeform: copyrasts whine about 'if you made movie, you didn't make that movie' but there can be no such thing as too cruel a revenge for 'if you bought a book, you didn't buy that book'
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, either they think they can't 'reach that market' or they are dumber than the average prole
asciilifeform: formats, but did not have the rights to provide all of the books in different formats.'
asciilifeform: 'In January 2009, OverDrive informed Fictionwise that it would no longer be providing downloads for purchasers of e-books through Fictionwise as of January 31, 2009. No reason was provided to Fictionwise as to why it was being shut down. This prevents previous purchasers from being able to renew their books on new devices. Fictionwise was working to provide replacement ebooks for its customers in alternative, non-DRM-protected
cazalla: "The company's global network includes more than 27,000 libraries and schools."
asciilifeform: the municipal libraries are being converted to halls where homeless folks can check email, yes.
asciilifeform: but the only ones with serious books are at universities
asciilifeform: cazalla: the libraries where i live, still have books
cazalla: i called them up regarding the late fees and no, no late fees on an ebook, librarian told me without prompting that they don't support the kindle either
decimation: cazalla: the problem is that most american libraries have gotten rid of their physical books
cazalla: asciilifeform, seems an obvious prediction in hindsight.. i guess i should step inside the library more often
assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 02:30:44; mats: time to bring back the hoodie and aviator sunglasses look
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212505 << the 'face recognizer' thing is setting the stage for some epic lulz. think 'sausage attack.' just about all the commercial face processors readily fall for inkjet-printed masks that wouldn't fool a child
asciilifeform: last thing the 'ebook' racket wants is an infinite fountain of free.
asciilifeform: decimation: folks would cotton on to the truth - them being entirely free - pretty quickly
decimation: you would think they could at least serve up google's copy of pre-1923 books
asciilifeform: if someone is dumb enough to buy into such a chumpatron, why bother serving up anything but pablum
decimation: asciilifeform: what annoys me even more is that the selection of 'lendable ebooks' is complete shit
assbot: Loper OS » To Lend is the Right of an Owner – That is, Not You. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TY5dDA )
cazalla: trying to suss out if they charge late fees on ebooks now
decimation: yes, it's certainly the case that your tax dollars are going to some kind of 'authors collective'
decimation: cazalla: doesn't that strike you as the dumbest thing ever?
cazalla: this is probably common to every library now but i look at the melbourne public library's website and notice they have ebooks available for loan.. go to loan ebook but can't because someone else has it out on loan and they only have 1 copy available
mats: time to bring back the hoodie and aviator sunglasses look
assbot: Skipping church? Facial recognition software could be tracking you - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDR3WF )
trinque: eh I'll still send it through as a test case then
felipelalli: thank you very much. Actually you can ignore this. This was just the proposal contract, not the final yet.
decimation: asciilifeform, others: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.embedded.openwrt.devel/32651 "I just committed a change making musl the new default libc in OpenWrt
trinque: I'll fix that then run your thing back through
decimation: Dave Vos, who heads Google’s secretive Project Wing, told Bloomberg News in his most expansive comments on Google’s vision to date. “The idea being that it’s not ‘Google is going to go out and build a solution and everyone else has to subscribe to it.’ The idea really is anyone should be free to build a solution.”
decimation: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-24/google-has-way-to-unclog-drone-filled-skies-like-it-did-the-web < google salivates over the idea of appointing itself 'usg commissar of drones'
decimation: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/07/24/amazon-now-worth-more-than-wal-mart/ "As of the close, that had Wal-Mart’s market cap at $233.5 billion versus Amazon’s $224.5 billion, according to FactSet."
nubbins`: each one smelling of old leather, rustic tobacco, strawberry, green mould, etc
nubbins`: cazalla, having a pantone book is like having a suitcase full of vials with "essence of ____" written on the labels
cazalla: on a scale of 1-10 such knowledge of colours interests me 0 but i can respect the enthusiasm and knowledge :)
nubbins`: the area inside the yellow triangle can be reproduced via sRGB (i.e. on your computer screen)
nubbins`: with which all others (incl. yellow 123) can be mixed
nubbins`: blue 072 is one of the 14 pantone base colours
cazalla: is that the blue facebook colour?
nubbins`: yellow 123 is like the blue 072 of yellows.
nubbins`: some of them are burned into my brain
cazalla: our master bedroom is pink (forget the name of the colour) and that is about enough for me heh
nubbins`: yellow 123 is getting pretty popular these days
nubbins`: and the city was drab as fuck
nubbins`: Shane O’Dea, an expert on architectural heritage and historic preservation, said the idea of fancy window and door trim, and brightly-painted houses was born in 1977. In fact, the idea can be traced to one man, David Webber, the foundation’s executive director. In that year, the foundation took on a demonstration project by painting a sample block in bright colours, from Willicott’s Lane to Victoria Street, on both sides of the street.
nubbins`: my house is just past the green spire in top left of frame
nubbins`: cazalla people tend to bump up the saturation in photos but it really does look like that
nubbins`: "IBAN confirmed that homeowners in the St. John’s downtown area have experienced difficulty in finding insurance coverage in the past. The reasons for this difficulty are the high concentrations of wood frame structures with varying type of occupancy and differing physical conditions."
nubbins`: "Another couple from St. John’s advised the Consumer Advocate that, despite numerous attempts, they had not been able to obtain insurance at any cost for the past four and a half years on their attached King’s Bridge Road property."
decimation: asciilifeform: oh lordy don't tell me you're a 'truther'?
decimation: asciilifeform: I saw the clips with my own eyes, made of shit metal that melts at low temps
nubbins`: Upon responding I was promptly told that the company would not even entertain my request due to location. I therefore was forced to accept the $763 increase.”
nubbins`: “In November 2004 the house insurance dramatically escalated from $552.00 to $1,315.60. The municipal appraisal was constant. The insurance brokers advised me that it was almost impossible to obtain insurance for a downtown, partially attached house. They advised that the new rate was the best they could obtain. I personally telephoned two other insurance companies in St. John’s. In each call I was immediately asked the location of the
nubbins`: One gentleman from downtown St. John’s wrote to the Consumer Advocate:
asciilifeform: like the (Official Truth version of) wtc, l0l
nubbins`: not that a firewall would prevent the flames from setting your roof on fire.
nubbins`: generally no firewalls between houses either
nubbins`: i had my shingles redone 3 years ago and they found FOUR LAYERS of shingles underneath the top one. The supporting wood was dust
nubbins`: not at all unusual to chop a roof hole in a structure fire and find another completely rotting roof underneath
nubbins`: most of the houses are 80-100 years old too
decimation: why do they think you are so risky?
nubbins`: none of the majors would even give me a quote
decimation: I had good luck with one here in the us
nubbins`: any home owners in here wanna share their annual insurance premium, as a percentage of the value of their home?
decimation: "retired Navy Capt. Charles Stimson told Stars and Stripes. “I know JAGs (military lawyers), nurses, typists, legal clerks in the military who have never fired a weapon in their lives.”"
assbot: Gen. Mark Milley: We Should Arm Military Recruiters | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDAhz6 )
decimation: http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/21/obama-nominee-for-top-army-post-we-should-arm-military-recruiters/ "“You have a vast cadre of people in the military — doctors, lawyers, intelligence specialists, cryptologists, mechanics — whose jobs are important because they support combat troops, but it is not their job to point weapons at people and kill them,”
nubbins`: houses will cost more, in general, until they don't.
gernika: Never understood the mortgage interest tax credit. Seems like houses will just ... cost more.
gernika: I will be negotiating the CPI (joke that it is) into my next contract.
nubbins`: all payments or just the interest portion?
asciilifeform: for non-u.s. folk: the most explosively astonishing phun phakt re: american taxation, is that an extortionate tax (mechanically, lack of 'tax credit', but same thing) is applied to folks who refuse to do the mortgage thing
asciilifeform: whose net worth, if they happen to have one with a positive sign bit, consists of an unspent paycheque or three
asciilifeform: at any rate, ~THE~ american tax is: inflation. and it mainly affects folks with respectable, but firmly-fixed incomes
asciilifeform: i'll also add that u.s. states are pretty good at milking the aphids - sales taxes of 5-10%
asciilifeform: not only in the sense of taxation proper, but tacit permission of wage suppression cartels, etc. - the whole ensemble
nubbins`: aphid milk, nectar of the gods
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1212208 << incidentally, this is not unlike the idea that a farmer is 'weak' because he is only able to milk his cows but not the aphids living on the grass
scoopbot_revived: Know The Enemy and Know Yourself - Part II http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/24/know-the-enemy-and-know-yourself-part-ii/
cazalla: once i've finished grabbing gwern's archive, will be interest to search it to include some screenshots in these types of articles
assbot: AT&T buys DirecTV, now biggest traditional TV provider in US - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1emJtRx )
ascii_field: so the machine's local arch is used
ascii_field: there are some possible corner cases:
ascii_field: i.e. if there is anyone here with a linux box on which any of the bins built thus far fail to run, something is very very wrong
ascii_field: mod6: since this is a static bin, the target - in the usual sense of the word - is a particular kernel abi, rather than gentoo, centos, etc
joecool: mod6: sorry for the delay, i've been running no multilib on my systems for over 5 years now
funkenstein_: hehe, bet he wishes he never said that stuff about the Iron Shiek
ben_vulpes: never thought id see the day
assbot: Hulk Hogan fired by WWE after racist recordings emerge | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpFUZu )
cazalla: BingoBoingo, looks like your man Hulk Hogan is under attack again http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/24/hulk-hogan-fired-wwe-racist-recordings
mod6: i still need to update the old how-to-patch guide etc. im actually pretty much complete on that... as soon as we give the green light on the test bundle i'll post my changes for that too.
cazalla: yes i know but i would not be using the gentoo install guide unless i was moving on to the next guide, but i will have another go at some point
mod6: section 0x9? are you talking about the how-to-patch guide? it's a separate thing.
cazalla: curl wasn't either
mod6: realpath should be on there by default iirc. but perhaps its not?
mod6: and perhaps as soon as we send up the patched test bundle, someone could try compiling the static R.I. on there.
cazalla: mod6, fwiw i used your gentoo install guide earlier in the week with no problems (couldn't get bitcoin up and running though, got stuck at auth.sh though with some error about REALPATH)
mod6: basically, it's just going through this step by step: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt
mod6: ah nice, we wanted to ensure our gentoo amd64 nomulitlib guide worked well for at least 1 third party before we put it out there to the list.
mod6: if anyone else wants to test the gentoo guide, gimme a holler. would like to get it verified before the end of the month.
mod6: well, no worries. gentoo is a pain but the guide makes it pretty easy - hopefully.
shinohai found one of these with spare hdd and ram http://img03.olx.in/images_olxin/86072049_1_1000x700_compaq-hp-leptop-for-selling-3-year-old-one-hand-with-purchase-bill-gwalior.jpg
shinohai: Thanks a lot ascii_field, there goes my weekend
mircea_popescu: i think that's kinda the point.
assbot: Logged on 24-07-2015 11:45:30; mircea_popescu: in other news, three whores one bitch : http://41.media.tumblr.com/2b54d19ba448d3287e568620afaf3415/tumblr_mz3pvmAYBV1rxa0moo1_1280.jpg
funkenstein_: heard in debate over tolls in se.asia: highway robbers used to stop cars at gunpoint. now they build tollbooths.
punkman: they might not collect income tax from more than 1/2 of the population, but they collect through other means
mircea_popescu: because otherwise you don't own it.
mircea_popescu: i only ever ran a small town, but i never went for this bs. everyone has to pay A LITTLE. because otherwise...
mircea_popescu: here's a fun factoid for you : just a shade under half of the us registered population (which means, about 60% of the actual population) pays no income tax.
mircea_popescu: i told him nobody really knows, but light seconds are about ten times the circumference of the earth.
mircea_popescu: driver told me he heard they found a planet which might contain life 1400 light years away
assbot: Logged on 24-07-2015 15:08:15; mod6: i'm wondering if i shouldn't just: A: 1) shutdown bitcoind, 2) restart bitcoind. If no further blocks are pulled, B: 1) shutdown bitcoind, 2) update time, 3) restart bitcoind
ascii_field: mod6: i see no useful clues in my logs, either.
mod6: nothing strange in the logs...
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Palantir | Had a Palantir incident last night and I'm second guessing whether it was a good idea..." Person 2: "Yeah man, sometimes you have to be careful about Palantir.
funkenstein_: The Palantíri were made by the Ñoldor in Eldamar, possibly by Fëanor himself during his time in Aman during the Elder Days in the Time of the Trees, and then given by the Elves to the Númenóreans, who kept them as heirlooms until the Fall of Númenor during the late Second Age; seven of these stones were rescued and brought to Middle-earth by Elendil and his sons and set in well-guarded towers throughout the Realms in
assbot: Palantir raises $450m in latest fund-raising round • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZn1tn )
funkenstein_ is wondering the utility of changing code now on an issue >100 years away
punkman: slightly different issue there
mod6: one of these days, im gonna have to stop typing URLs. or start typing better! lol
mod6: I made brief mention of dignork's patch in the SoBA from December: http://thebitcoin.founation/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000017.html
mod6: this patch was submitted: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000004.html but it is /already/ applied in v0.5.3 base, we never applied this patch. Here's the spot: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0665
mod6: are you talking about the subsidy overflow?
punkman: speaking of which, 0.5.3 doesn't have the 21 million limit fix
mod6: <+ascii_field> http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#1263 << Ah! so just -connect=dulap -connect=other
mod6: ah right, there's a message about that.
ascii_field: that would show up in the log
mod6: i'm wondering if i shouldn't just: A: 1) shutdown bitcoind, 2) restart bitcoind. If no further blocks are pulled, B: 1) shutdown bitcoind, 2) update time, 3) restart bitcoind
ascii_field: for the love of god, montrezor !!!
nubbins`: guy orders device maybe a year+ ago. it finally shows up, scratched to shit, the usb cable is RUSTY and non-operational
ascii_field: (~NOT~ the same as '-addnode')
ascii_field: no obvious clues in the log
ascii_field: and has been since the 10th
asciilifeform: just the last N
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in other news, three whores one bitch : http://41.media.tumblr.com/2b54d19ba448d3287e568620afaf3415/tumblr_mz3pvmAYBV1rxa0moo1_1280.jpg