ben_vulpes: looks like braindamage, smells like braindamage, can't say as i care to dig further into it when there are food credits to scrape up elsewhere and the scraping to automate.
asciilifeform: wtf is the point?
asciilifeform: even then
asciilifeform: what are they using for a runtime?! xlisp under msdos ?!!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: well the cranks that turn the cranks need to be written, and then the machine that turns the meta-cranks built.
ben_vulpes: the "async" cl webserver the nodebros are banging on about blocks the repl when instantiated in a cl-async 'event loop', unlike how hunchentoot starts a server and then returns on threaded sbcl.
asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> cranks need turning, no avoiding that. << wtf is the point of a computer if not to avoid this ?
asciilifeform: derps can 'colonize cl' in precisely the same way redditards colonize bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: did you see the libuv folks are colonizing cl?
ben_vulpes: it's the 'work' part you really object to, let's be honest here.
asciilifeform is aware of folks who hire for 'we don't care what you write it in', but shudders at the thought of 'cl work' - it could only result from an astonishingly gnarly pre-existing codebase
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: i'd probably bite it off myself, simply because there isn't much by way of CL horsepower around the shop.
gabriel_laddel: I'm mentioning this because people say it's so goddamn hard to get CL work, which I have not found to be the case.
ben_vulpes: who are they to trust but him?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel has the authority to hire subcontractors just like this ?
ben_vulpes: or the bezzlequivalent. i ain't picky - food credits is food credits.
ben_vulpes: so long as they cough up ~.6 btc/hr, sure.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 02:55:08; trinque: motherfucker... I google this AWS issue I'm having, and find myself bitching about said problem here two months ago
gabriel_laddel: I've a list of programmers included in the "info" tab of the program I wrote for work. The idea being that if I"m not around and something goes wrong, they contact one of these people. Let me know if you want to be on that list.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: trinque: one *could* do some tests on manardb to see if this strategy it is speedy enough for the problems you've got
ben_vulpes: solrodar, asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/ << the sexprs generate, the scripts run, the svg is nominally an svg (eg has piles of xml i don't care to sift through) but doesn't render anything through any tools I have on hand.
trinque: https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/fit/c/410/410/0*U9J3xqWnqSBO5ozP.jpg << the chucklefuck responsible
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 10:59:15; mircea_popescu: specifgically i will put asciilifeform, ben_vulpes and everyone else on notice to the following fact : if you don't effectually and effectively take delivery of these sorts of things, it's not that my 1 btc or w/e is wasted. it's thjat the remainder of my stash is wasted, because lo! i can not use it to direct activity. help me help you over here wouldja.
trinque: as it happens, I have those two books gabriel_laddel recommended on the way
trinque: in other news, I think the db project I've described was us inventing a shittier metaobject protocol in SQL
asciilifeform: wywialm: active in the sense that i'm not dead yet
wywialm: is LoperOS project active then?
asciilifeform: sorta like how a courageous man on a movie screen is not the same as actual hero
wywialm: perhaps I misunderstood you, but I read that you plan to design a sane os and (in other blog posts) pointed to opengenera as an example of such system
asciilifeform: (or perhaps a bsd variant thereof)
asciilifeform: not sure if b-a unix can be even in principle other than 'buildroot'.
mircea_popescu: but really, the official ba os is still an open ended question
mircea_popescu: not like they accidentally forgot to include nigger-super-systems
mircea_popescu: but making packages that purport to be equivalent and then miss parts seems a bit cosmic ray-y
asciilifeform: (to the tune of rms senile snoring)
mircea_popescu: am i correct in reading between the lines of hanbot's efforts that in point of fact someone carefully packaged a debian/ubuntu "equivalent" of the gcc package that allows static linking which in point of fact and quite pointedly DOES NOT allow static linking ?
asciilifeform: folks who know better ~in their bones~, piss on winblowz. and on 'ubuntu.' etc
assbot: George R.R. Martin writes on DOS-based WordStar 4.0 software from the 1980s. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I32Vvc )
asciilifeform: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/14/george_r_r_martin_writes_on_dos_based_wordstar_4_0_software_from_the_1980s.html << and many other pro writerz also
trinque: now sum that across my career... how many superior ways of working have I *not* developed because the time involved didn't feel worth it?
trinque: far from impossible, yet cost is too damn high for me not to lose interest by the time I'm squirting JS at a browser from emacs
trinque: from where I sit currently, I wouldn't even bother
trinque: wrote a shitty tool called summon which can launch things, arrange them, switch between layouts, so on
asciilifeform believes that the widespread preoccupation with 'customizable' has more to do with the abysmal state of the art than with anything else
trinque: this joke I'm working with currently is the shanty-house I cobbled together out of scrap metal
trinque: not everything; the layer commonly referred to as the user interface should be a programming interface
trinque: jurov: need an environment where the nerd can develop his own tools/practices
jurov: if only two nerds could agree on best tools and practices...imo other professions have much less fragmentation
asciilifeform: 'no one has ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the american public' (tm) (r)
trinque: so here I am in 2015 with stumpwm stapled to emacs, blood leaking from the field sutures
trinque: as an appliance, the thing should obviously have one button labeled "cook", and no thought required from there
trinque: the utter lack of programmability (automator? lol, fuck off) shows they did not even consider how a thinking person would use the thing
asciilifeform: his shrivelled corpse is the real superstar - like evita's
trinque: imagine if he'd been mean and understood a computer at the same time
mircea_popescu: "how obama made sense in english" "how putin doesn't understand how the world works" "how a bored housewife discovered the secret barbers hate"
mircea_popescu: "how X did Y that they never actually did but hey, marketing!"
pete_dushenski: bit o' revisionist history for the logs readers.
trinque: every shartup in the valley has someone who thinks he's jobs
assbot: How Two Bored 1970s Housewives Helped Create The PC Industry | Fast Company | Business + Innovation ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2Xpsw )
pete_dushenski: http://www.fastcompany.com/3047428/how-two-bored-1970s-housewives-helped-create-the-pc-industry << source.
asciilifeform: what is the point of this
mircea_popescu: shinohai yeah, it ruins the polymer, you end up with a milky white, brittle thing
shinohai: I haven't. Does the acid do something unique?
pete_dushenski: ector, the origins of the personal computer cannot be separated from the story of women in technology. The personal computer has always belonged to all of us." << speaking of women.
pete_dushenski: "we've forgotten how two women from California ran a firm that pioneered influential practices such as attention to product aesthetics, vertical integration (Vector has its own in-house software developers), and establishing training networks, providing packaged PC solutions, and treating employees like an extended family. Some of what Vector pioneered is now intertwined into the tech industry's DNA. Thanks to V
asciilifeform: (phun phakt: until well into 20th c, they were re-usable)
asciilifeform: hey it was the original item.
trinque: I find the damn things extremely annoying
asciilifeform happened to read log bottom-up, and did not immediately realize that the 'magnum' was a condom...
mircea_popescu: for the past year or so, using local stuff. never broke one. went through 2-300 by now.
trinque: the difference seemed to address a need I have for picking the damn thing up, breaking it, so on, to understand fully
trinque: was interesting, I hadn't read that profile before, and it seemed to fit rather well
trinque: got ISTP this time, whereas in the past INTP
pete_dushenski: seems ddg does the same stupid link stealing that goog does...
pete_dushenski: i didn't get the 'emoji' tie-in till i just tried searching for images a minute ago.
trinque: how hip and relevant of them
jurov: here they just slapped on various football (read: soccer) players and shakira
trinque: lol @ smiley on the nuke button
jurov: lol first time i saw that. they prolly knew it's not suitable in this corner of world
pete_dushenski: something you'd see on the side of a pepsi can
jurov wonders what warning/pictogram would alf put to a code actually controlling a thermonuclear device
shinohai: Every build I have tried so far has been smooth *except* for the pogo, pirate warnings be damned.
pete_dushenski: others, how much is ok ?
asciilifeform: that is what the skull is intended to say.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213050 << not gunna lie. alf's skull and crossbones routine has actively deterred me from tinkering with 0.5.x releases. i'm probably not alone in waiting for the 'official perfect release' either.
pete_dushenski: "Barack Obama told Kenyans on his first presidential trip to his father's homeland that there was "no limit to what you can achieve" but said they had to deepen democracy, tackle corruption and end exclusion based on gender or ethnicity." << lulz.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 15:46:22; mircea_popescu: this is very much unlike the situation of say, damascus steel
shinohai: I inherited one from my grandmother, wouldn't take a bzillion dollars for it.
mircea_popescu: can hit refresh in the meanwhile or do something else :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, it'll be back eventually you can read it then
shinohai: Because DDOS is the greatest tool of todays breed of 1337 haxx0rs.
mircea_popescu: this is very much unlike the situation of say, damascus steel
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant "still there" in a more abstract sense. yes there's not currently hay supplies and horse barns. but if need be - they can be.
shinohai: I haven't been to theatre in forever, but I do plan on going to see Hateful Eight.
mircea_popescu: or i suppose for the same reason i'd visit a viking boat.
asciilifeform: those factories are not there. and there is no economic mechanism for building them again.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 10:38:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213025 << it never left, you know. it's still here. if you're willing to take z80 as "state of the art", the whole shebang is still here. problem is you want a different state of the art, because we actually need it, because z80 mined bitcoin can't survive in the field. and so...
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213098 << in point of fact, it is ~not~ still there. for the same reason that we no longer have the horse supply and maintenance system circa 1880.
asciilifeform has always found the use of the word 'productivity' standing alone to be batshit - productivity ~at what~ ?
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 10:31:47; mircea_popescu: the plain sad factual truth of the matter is, that there was no manna there to begin with.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 10:30:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213012 << the ibm-ibm of today is so lulzy tho
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213084 << what little is left of the ~actual~ ibm products gives me a kind of 'retro', nostalgic vibe. because - pre-microshit.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213082 << did the summarizer of #b-a logs go anywhere ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213080 << ever been to a movie theatre ? was it 720 px wide ?
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 14:37:04; shinohai: https://raymii.org/s/articles/Running_TSS_8_on_the_DEC_PiDP-8_i_and_SIMH.html
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 12:53:23; shinohai: ;;later tell asciilifeform off to buy tea if these are the proper instructions: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html
chetty: pdp 8, wow blast from the past
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ;;later tell asciilifeform off to buy tea if these are the proper instructions: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html
mircea_popescu: man has a point. there has been NO inovation worth the mention, and no "HDTV" and stupid ass bootstrap don't count.
mircea_popescu: if the past two decades of rapidpace never happened, we'd be in a much better position, not having to waste time trying to figure out how the fuck to even get static binaries made anymore.
mircea_popescu: why is it that the greatest republic in history uses "antiquated" software from 1990 as in the case of gpg, why are we on irc, etc etc ? because rapid pace of what ?
mircea_popescu: ft today. Their "innovation" is _purely_ restricted to more shiny wrappings, because that is where the money is in today's market." << ahaha yeah! check it out...
mircea_popescu: "The software industry has turned into a pyramid game because the government valuation strategies for software have penalized longevity. It has absolutely _nothing_ to do with the so-called "rapid pace" of the technological development. It isn't rapid and I'll dispute a claim of general development, too. It's all about marketing old ideas in new and ever more shiny wrappings, and nobody does that better than Microso
solrodar: so I ended up two degrees of separation away from the person paying me :P
mircea_popescu: s to _continue_ to play (read: lose money to) the lottery for him to get monthly installments." ahaha check it out, naggum gets infinitesimaly close to comprehending the nature of the bezzle.
mircea_popescu: "Instead of being a guarantor of stability and long-term safety that each of us cannot build or even maintain on our own, policies in the information technology industries have turned into guarantors of instability and short-term profiteering, effectively betting the future on the fun we can have today, a massive lottery where everybody loses, especially the guy who wins $25 million and discovers that everybody else ha
solrodar: but then he wasn't able/willing to test it himself
solrodar: asciilifeform didn't like the graph layout but was willing to accept it as long as I released details of how it was produced
mircea_popescu: actually looking at the ratings i would guess this was actually accepted and i just didn't get the memo. all the better.
mircea_popescu: specifgically i will put asciilifeform, ben_vulpes and everyone else on notice to the following fact : if you don't effectually and effectively take delivery of these sorts of things, it's not that my 1 btc or w/e is wasted. it's thjat the remainder of my stash is wasted, because lo! i can not use it to direct activity. help me help you over here wouldja.
mircea_popescu: 'll pester them.,
solrodar: mircea_popescu: I don't want to pester the developers to deal with something they're not really interested in
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think the proper thing to do here is pay out.
mircea_popescu: (and yes this is why tort laws are building socialism. "we sell you the coffee - if you kill yourself with it that's your problem" is the correct position, and what the courts should, and what the b,tmsr~ courts do enforce)
mircea_popescu: i don't wanna die in the stupidboat.
mircea_popescu: i personally knew my father was a retard when i was about thirteen, and he threw a fit insisting i "stop using tools for other purposes than they were made".
mircea_popescu: all that remains is one single entity which starts with the grassy knoll and ends with the satellite, and you will never EVER be able to make this wholly integrated pile of nonsense compete on any sort of footing with actual capitalism
mircea_popescu: trhis is not even a moral issue, or some sort of bullshiot about rights. this is the nudest, rudest self preservation at work. if you wish to force (and by allowing, you force) the knife maker to have opinions of knife usage, you have created the worst sort of socialist centrally commanded economy possible.
mircea_popescu: if i buy a knife, I OWN THE KNIFE. and whether i use it fifty times or three, whether i am the most frequent user of the knife or least, whether i make most money from its usage opr least, this is entirely my business.
mircea_popescu: for the record, the notion that some twerps may charge "per runtime" is such corrosive nonsense i have no fucking idea who or why would ever defend it.
mircea_popescu: " If we apply an interpreter of British understatements and general vagueness in preference to precision, however, I get the impression you're trying very hard to have an opinion about another company, which _does_ have royalties as part of their business model and that you are trying to invalidate that model by implication."
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 07:58:50; jurov: "In my research, I looked to see how old the idea was that medieval Christians believed the earth was flat....No one before the 1830s believed that medieval people thought that the earth was flat."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213040 < heh. this is true. the medieval contention was as to the place of earth, not as to its shape. "urbi et orbi", ie, the classical papal dedication, specifically speaks TO THE GLOBE. as a sphere.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 05:35:30; asciilifeform: the world of 1985, where there were a thousand ~state-of-the-art~ chip fabs, under two+ separate civilizational systems, and running perhaps a dozen ~entirely independently developed~ toolchains - isn't coming back
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213025 << it never left, you know. it's still here. if you're willing to take z80 as "state of the art", the whole shebang is still here. problem is you want a different state of the art, because we actually need it, because z80 mined bitcoin can't survive in the field. and so...
mircea_popescu: what do you think the "human batteries" would have done, were they not "in the matrix" ?
mircea_popescu: just like women gotta "be sluts" or else your paniced bipedal dog is too afraid of black holes to stick his wee wee into the right hole, just so microsoft must be there for a hundred milion autistic schmucks to be even able to get out of bed i nthe morning.
mircea_popescu: which is, and has been, and will forever remain the only function, the chief utility and the very point of abstractions. it allows men to survive their fears.
mircea_popescu: they're not wasting anything, they're just giving a bunch of fuctards the illusion that they actually belong here.
mircea_popescu: but even after their blood gurgles, the fact will stand. there was no productivity there from they one.
mircea_popescu: just as soon as we're done with the festivals dedicated to their dressing up as the sacrificial goat.
mircea_popescu: which is why all the charade and all the dancing. and yes the various jews, selected goats, ibms m$ and usg will be beheaded for this fault "of theirs",
mircea_popescu: the plain sad factual truth of the matter is, that there was no manna there to begin with.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 05:35:06; decimation: but you make a point - the software industry (and usg in general) has mastered the art of wasting the productivity of its population
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213024 << this is unduly self-flattering. there WAS NO PRODUCTIVITY THERE TO WASTE. this is the ultimate reason. there's no secret conspiracy of illuminati aliens to steal the manna of earth.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213012 << the ibm-ibm of today is so lulzy tho
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 05:24:04; decimation: unfortunately it seems that the "cl logs" are quite scattered and need to be reconstructed by a student (unlike b-a logs)
mircea_popescu: anyway, just more nails in the coffin of bullshiot "higher resolution".
mircea_popescu: Making matters worse, HEVC Advance says their licensing terms [listed in detail here] are retroactive to date of 1st sale
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for hanbot from 5 to 5 with note: extremely productive manual tester
assbot: You rated user hanbot on 30-Mar-2014, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: The forum loves her a lot..
mircea_popescu has enjoyed the logs so far.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 02:55:08; trinque: motherfucker... I google this AWS issue I'm having, and find myself bitching about said problem here two months ago
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212840 << they are. the problem being of course that they also exhaust the potential of survival. because that is quite strictly what those suitors are : in their replacing of whoever, they also ensure the whole shebang can keep going.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 02:25:03; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212646 < this is a good point (taxation is always political). yet it does have economic consequences, and I would prefer to distort the economy toward favoring work and saving over consumption
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212838 << when you're done distorting the economy you can start distorting the wave function.
jurov: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: no turdatron runs on linux. so far all the cases happened on client, i won't mind this further until you say "i have checked my outbox and it's not mutilated there"
jurov: "In my research, I looked to see how old the idea was that medieval Christians believed the earth was flat....No one before the 1830s believed that medieval people thought that the earth was flat."
decimation: "Each of their [the Western government's] decisions is an atom unto itself, made through an almost ritualized process by a large number of very intelligent, talented and ambitious people, whose abilities tend to cancel each other almost perfectly, leaving nothing but a chilling bureaucratic continuity."
decimation: the vaguest precedent or bureaucratic ruling sews that business up
asciilifeform: (they don't weigh much, can be carried right through walls!)
ben_vulpes: rentiers are extracting all of the "productivity" gains.
decimation: yarvin wrote about this pattern in the policy side of usg as the smartest bureaucrats exactly cancelling each other's efforts
asciilifeform: folks like to talk about 'printed' this and that, but the actual hard data on the ground are considerably more optimistic for classical problems like 'lead to gold', 'elixir of immortality', and 'energy too cheap to meter' than for desktop chip-fab.
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/orthecreedence/cl-async << this reeks of "let's bring js to cl"
asciilifeform: the world of 1985, where there were a thousand ~state-of-the-art~ chip fabs, under two+ separate civilizational systems, and running perhaps a dozen ~entirely independently developed~ toolchains - isn't coming back
decimation: but you make a point - the software industry (and usg in general) has mastered the art of wasting the productivity of its population
asciilifeform: could - theoretically - be seen again, one day
decimation: it's kinda like expecting the king to return to minting gold after pocketing it and giving you copper coins
decimation: yeah, if not this usg than another one
asciilifeform: as it is, the industry is ~intrinsically~ usgtronic
asciilifeform: the coveted 'garden of eden' situation where ~there isn't a microshit~, when there is not a usg department-of-computing that has its tentacles in every orifice - won't be coming back until some quasi-mythical breakthrough decentralizes chip fabbing
asciilifeform: one of the hyenas fighting over the corpse (google et al), plus the still-living organs of the corpse, will become the new microshit.
decimation: heh yeah I was amused by the same paragraph, where naggum predicts the fall of micrsoft, that's more-or-less playing out now
asciilifeform: y as a marketing gimmick, of course you don't want to warrant, support, or maintain it, and of course nobody would even dream of paying royalties for it, they can just get another cheap pen or T-shirt or shirnk-wrapped software package of the shelf somewhere else.'
asciilifeform: onsequences of bad (working to destroy) and sometimes evil (intended to destroy) policy and ignorant idiots with too much power. One of the consequences is that software development is paid for over the marketing budgets, like cheap plastic pens with logo imprints that work no longer than you remember where you got it and T-shirts of so low quality that they couldn't have been sold as clothes -- when you give some trinket awa
asciilifeform: inability of societies to value software properly, and hence the "protection" the software industry got in the Y2K scare, the ability to skirt warranty and every other consumer protection law, the non-constitutionality of the War on Software Piracy (which is much worse than the absolutely insane War on Drugs measured in results and costs and accepted loss of personal freedom), and numerous additional deep-rooted and pandemic c
asciilifeform: ly those in the government offices in charge of squeezing the juice of out the produce of society. I think the software crisis has been created by the tax laws and government officials who were unable to understand the value of the computer industry products. Since the Western business world is operating very closely in a trigger-response pattern relative to changes to the tax laws, the regulators are fully to blame for the
asciilifeform: 'Personally, I think the whole business model of the software industry is rotten to the core. Microsoft is not even a contributory cause -- Bill Gates isn't smart enough to invent or create something like this. It used to be the norm that software was essentially free (gratis) and just vehicles to move hardware, which was tangible enough to make it easy for the anal-retentive beancounters to count and weigh and such, especial
decimation: "Microsoft, the ruling king of mass marketed trinketware, are just surfing on the same tsunami that lifted Taiwan and Hong Kong from poverty into an inflated economy that just _had_ to crash down and wash out _enormous_ values some day.
asciilifeform: decimation: the naggum archive is probably the closest thing there is to a '#b-a log of common lisp'
decimation: unfortunately it seems that the "cl logs" are quite scattered and need to be reconstructed by a student (unlike b-a logs)
asciilifeform: but is slow because of the very cross-platformy way in which it was written
asciilifeform: clisp is a mostly-standardcompliant implementation of the language - but very slow
asciilifeform: decimation: they both had crippled versions for download
decimation: I think they have a non-profit free version now?
decimation: it would be just like hollywood et al to conspire to 'move content' into a box they can milk
asciilifeform: decimation: sometimes even goes the other way! i was recently surprised to learn that 'lispworks' no longer charges per-runtime royalties
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i confess that i have not attempted to run it << i haven't had a chance either. will give it a go this week.
asciilifeform: decimation: the gif warz never end
decimation: so prepare for everythining multimedia to be a little shittier and more annoying in the future
decimation: they claim a 50% reduction in bitrates with 'equal mos'
ben_vulpes: you're probably the only person besides me to ever run it
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150725/ak47_8e05a9c323700966880c198e1baec51f76a025d8.sh.sig << confirmed, verifies
mod6: at some point next month, i write up a guide on how to set up cucumber as well so any one else who wants to use this can do so on their own environment.
mod6: This test output log is a bit large, after all of the normal build output the goodies are at the end of the file (including the output from all of the subsequent tests & code): http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/v054-TEST1-cukes-log.txt
asciilifeform: at any rate, this is kinda why we do the whole 7-bit ascii thing
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: jurov: is the thing really running on windows?
asciilifeform: the latter
ben_vulpes: msdos line endings in gpg or in the mailing list mutilator?
asciilifeform: hanbot: if you do the above on your box, sig will verify.
asciilifeform: ('diff ak47_05243673e45fc4c4ce30467f8ffc003deec1d184.sh.sig ak47.sh.sig' rather than foo)
mod6: Have a bunch of automated tests (cucumber) that now builds the new test bundle, verify, check binary, test -connect, dumpblock, eatblock. ima post a log here in just a bit.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: here is proof. 'dos2unix -f ak47_05243673e45fc4c4ce30467f8ffc003deec1d184.sh.sig' then 'diff foo.sig ak47.sh.sig'
asciilifeform: BURN THE WORLD
ben_vulpes: can confirm the sig is not what i broadcast.
asciilifeform: tar.gz and encrypt to me, then pastebin
ben_vulpes: you want the original script or sig file?
asciilifeform: there he is.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes if you still have the original of that thing on your disk, please send to me (gpg)
asciilifeform: still doesn't explain why the binary sig got 'cosmic rayed'
asciilifeform: ah - them
assbot: [BTC-dev] ak47.sh: another script to build referenceimplementations ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlRDra )
hanbot: hey ben_vulpes ftr i get "gpg: fatal: zlib inflate problem: invalid literal/lengths set" on sig verification of http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000130.html (ak47)
decimation: they probably work with 'amazon os'
trinque: trying to register an AMI, already have the turds and manifest.xml on s3
trinque: rather, vice versa
trinque: motherfucker... I google this AWS issue I'm having, and find myself bitching about said problem here two months ago
assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 13:56:36; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1212302 << taxation is first and foremost a political activity. it is an economic activity as a very distant second. the noton that "it'd ok because we;re doing productive milking" misses the point by about the same berth as the notion that "it's ok, we don't need guns because we got money". this is simply not how the car works.
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212646 < this is a good point (taxation is always political). yet it does have economic consequences, and I would prefer to distort the economy toward favoring work and saving over consumption
shinohai: Searching for it now. No worries on the HD format, I'm just using a spare one with nothing else on it naturally.
asciilifeform: and check the pgp sig
asciilifeform: on the ml.
asciilifeform: shinohai: yes, in the original post