ascii_field: and thus have all the builders end up with actual same binary
ascii_field: it is the only way to get deterministic gcc
mircea_popescu: ie, it's the assembly line for phds all over again.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: not so theoretical. we just had another fella successfully 'buildroot' moments ago.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "thepiachu" iirc.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field this theoretical "so and so will happen" is nice and good, but also is useless in this discussion. following hanbot's mega-explosive "hey, this shit dun work on the most commonly seen linux out there" has been enlightening.
mod6: <+ascii_field> if it doesn't - walk your box out behind the shed & shoot it, get a real computer << :D
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 12:57:13; mircea_popescu: this is the one from dooglus' site that took her pic with a wooden something up her snatch right ?
ascii_field: if it doesn't - walk your box out behind the shed & shoot it, get a real computer
ascii_field: if buildroot builds on your box - the rest will build
ascii_field: one of the beauties of going buildroot-only is that we will no longer have this crud to put up with.
mod6: ok one problem for sure that I noticed when executing the boost steps manually is that I didn't have realpath installed.
mircea_popescu: "I hate to be hyperbolic, but want to understand ISIS or the Tea Party or Occupy or Charleston or Dylan? Look no further than Gawker and its ilk, which means look no further than twitter or your own so-called smartphone: We are making the world a miserable place. Im glad I can withdraw and think about it."
shinohai: I missed the cross-dev builder heh
ascii_field: (will need a hybrid of the 'stator' script and the static cross-dev builder posted a while ago)
ascii_field: shinohai: there is not, presently, a working bitcoind for the pogo buildroot that is made by the recipe linked earlier.
mircea_popescu: because empire of retards over there.
trinque: and I've gleaned some of the striking parallels between the USSR and the present USSA by listening to you gentlemen.
trinque: I'll do some reading on both; I am curious generally about the (seemingly) ever-repeating process of collapse
decimation: anyone who works for a soulless bureaucracy would immediate recognize the similarities
ascii_field: orlov: 'There is a bug in blogger where it sometimes publishes a post even if the date is set in the future. I disabled feeds to work around it.'
ascii_field: commenter: 'The article showed up on your RSS feed yesterday. That is probably how Zero Hedge got it.'
ascii_field: (however, he is almost entirely unconcerned with the politics, only the consequences in daily life)
ascii_field: if you are only concerned with the collapse, orlov's 'post-soviet lessons' is notbad
ascii_field: trinque: i know of no 'go-to' secondary source re: the whole shebang
trinque: ascii_field: do you recommend a starting-point book on USSR history, or is the material not in english?
shinohai: the buildroot
shinohai: ascii_field if I wasn't an atheist, I'd say "God bless you". It built.
ascii_field: easy to hold 'mandate of heaven' while subjects are convinced that they are being 'lifted'
trinque: but I see how the cost increases for each round
decimation: mainly for minerals today, but tomorrow the people
ascii_field: apparently they were desperate enough to try africa.
decimation: sure, which is why they are in africa
trinque: maybe china will look elsewhere for people to step-up; iirc they are already doing this
decimation: because their parents were dirt farmers
trinque: I shall read the thread
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 16:31:47; asciilifeform: this is, by some indications, a non-renewable resource that's getting burned up rather quickly
trinque: *that they
trinque: and if they pulled off something like that, I'd not think them so naive they think they can do that forever
trinque: they've done that masterfully
trinque: I see the chinese strategy as having been to bootstrap their own industrial economy by sucking the life out of ours. (obviously not an observation hard to come by)
trinque: sure but on the one hand one could discuss tactics against the USA, and on the other, a sort of aspirational "best"
ascii_field: (and grandchildren will, by all indications, have them again)
ascii_field: why fight lice, fleas? our ancestors had them
trinque: or they'll die too
trinque: worry about being better than themselves after we're dead
trinque: why do they need to design new chips from scratch to unseat the USA as the leading economic and military power?
trinque: ascii_field: they're busy inventing factories
ascii_field: wake me up when cn is using something other than winblowz (and stolen american designs, e.g., 'arm' wholesale) in their fabs
decimation: they eat from below; apparently once the bathwater is circling the tub - management & hedge funds come to eat 'from the top'
decimation: meanwhile the chiense are busy putting us hardware companies out of business
trinque: not all of which are utter morons, but these surely are
decimation: the fact that 'security' has been defined-down to 'managing /etc profiles' is the punchline
decimation: usg is nominally responsible for the 'security' of all of its computers and a good deal of its subsidary's
trinque: and they're distributing it thusly
trinque: I'm saying they have some puppet exploit
trinque: ascii_field: sure, but the fact that this is a huge wad of ruby code for puppet amuses me to no end
trinque: wasn't "simp" what the semi-intelligent gorillas were called in Rama?
decimation: "The entire idea of breaking Qualcomm up into two companies, for example, makes no sense from an ongoing business perspective — but it makes great sense if you’re an investor who believes the real money is in patent licensing (an extremely high-margin business) and not in chip manufacturing. "
decimation: the surface reading re: qualcomm: the management knows they are in a hole and therefore are colluding with outside investors to pirate assets from the company before it dies
decimation: ... share count at the end of fiscal 2014 was flat compared with five years before."
decimation: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/jul/11/qualcomm-jana-partners-stock-grants-microsoft/ < lol "One key issue for Qualcomm’s critics is shareholder dilution. Over the past five fiscal years, the company has spent $13.6 billion repurchasing 239 million of its own shares. These buybacks should have reduced the number of shares in the market, boosting shareholder value. But despite the buybacks, Qualcomm’s total ...
shinohai: I thought it would be funny if he actually stored a copy of his key "encrypted" on their server
shinohai: and holy shit I got the patch to apply
shinohai: I was hoping that "THE GREAT JESTER" would see keybase is a load of shit
shinohai: Asks me for file to patch, then says file not found, lemme try again
ascii_field: and did the patch apply ?
decimation: "Samsung opted not to use Snapdragon 810 and the company has faced some price pressure from the low-end of the market, driven by companies like MediaTek and Rockchip."
davout: shinohai: i confirm that http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html werked for me
decimation: "The rest of the drop-off can be explained by Qualcomm being caught off-guard by 64-bit SoCs. It had no custom architecture ready to deploy, and was forced to adopt ARM’s standard cores for its next-generation of chips. That"
ascii_field: by the patch
shinohai: but the buildroot I got has no "pogo" folder
ascii_field: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html << the recipe, for reference
ascii_field: shinohai: what part of the recipe failed for you ?
shinohai: I think I played bacon races or something there but long time ago
shinohai fires up ssh, and tries another Ubuntu build
mod6: seems to me, that i hit this once right when I first tried this package -- but the problem was then (over a month ago), i was dl'ing the .tar.gz of boost, not .tar.bz2, and i've corrected that
mod6: as the same with genuine 'stator' archive
mod6: yeah, we need to be able to build the whole thing in one button push really. so doing it separate is fine for individuals who know what they're doing, but not good enough for release.
ascii_field: mod6: how broken does ubuntu need to prove itself before it is reasonable to declare it unsupported crock of shit - in the same toilet as winblowz ?
shinohai: Hmm ... i got the same error, so I manually downloaded boost because I had a .tar.gz in that folder instead of boost.tar.bz2
mod6: ascii_field: im doing this because ive put stator.sh into the test bundle, and I wanna ensure that it works on gentoo/deb6/unbuntu before i notify people on the ML.
mod6: shinohai: im fairly certain that the line "BOOST=boost_1_52_0" matches what's in ./distfiles : http://dpaste.com/02HECCC.txt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: alright, chowned the entire thing -R mod6:mod6, building again.
shinohai: after that I commented out the boost line and re-ran
ascii_field: mod6: you have crud owned by root in there
ascii_field: mod6: chown -R youself thedir
shinohai: I agree with ascii_field tho. Ubuntu is the retarded cousin of Debian
mod6: lemme rebuild and see if i can replicate the error. and paste it to you.
ascii_field: how else could these have been copied to /usr/anything
mod6: Has anyone else been able to build asciilifeform 's "stator" on ubuntu? What I have experienced is that it does not build: The libs are not copied/installed into ./ourlibs, they are installed to the following places; OpenSSL to o /usr/local/ssl/, BDB to /lib and Boost to /usr/local/lib
ascii_field debugging a device driver for ~2 days now; if there were to be a hell for programmerz, this oughta be one of the torments therein
decimation: ... diplomatic communications. The Japanese consulate had received telex instructions on how to proceed with the acquisition program after meetings between Hitachi and the American agents had occurred in Tokyo. Once communication was received in the consulate, the message was transmitted to the Hitachi man in Silicon Valley by the commercial representative of the Japanese consulate."
decimation: http://csrc.nist.gov/nissc/1996/papers/NISSC96/joyal/industry.pdf < interesting: " In 1981 Hitachi acquired a nearly-complete set of the confidential and much coveted IBM Adirondack Workbooks from a former IBM employee. ... What is most interesting to note, is that Hitachi spymasters in Japan, who were supervising the espionage operations, transmitted their instructions to Hitachi case officers in San Francisco through Japanese ...
assbot: John Horton Conway: the world’s most charismatic mathematician | Siobhan Roberts | Science | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3qdQ )
mats: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/23/john-horton-conway-the-most-charismatic-mathematician-in-the-world lol
assbot: virtualization - What's the differences between Xen, QEMU and KVM? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1LNREna )
decimation: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10307323/whats-the-differences-between-xen-qemu-and-kvm < xen vs qemu vs kvm
decimation: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~fussell/courses/cs352h/papers/moore.pdf < link to the original moore paper where he supposedly asserts 'stuff doubles every 18 months'
decimation: thus, nearly all 'public facing boxes' are actually these kinds of 'machines'
decimation: umm, I think qemu (and kvm) are the basis for nearly all 'cloud computers/
ascii_field: there is really no substitute for it ('bochs' is a similar, but even more decrepit, apparatus)
ascii_field: also widely used by os devs and the like
ascii_field: ask the cheapo hosting folks, not me
ascii_field: recall, the fdd bug ~did not rely on using anything~
ascii_field: or the cdrom emu
ascii_field: of the Xen Project Security Issues Predisclosure List). Specifically,
ascii_field: 'An HVM guest which has access to an emulated IDE CDROM device (e.g. with a device with "devtype=cdrom", or the "cdrom" convenience alias, in the VBD configuration) can exploit this vulnerability to take over the qemu process elevating its privilege to that of the qemu process. All Xen systems running x86 HVM guests without stubdomains which have been configured with an emulated CD-ROM driver model are vulnerable.'
ascii_field: ^ not to be confused with the fdd 'bug' from 2 mo ago
asciilifeform: the real puzzler is that he mentioned it at all
mircea_popescu: that trhis'd be all you have to say on the topic is louder than the newly stretched vagina, really.
mircea_popescu: it's what makes me suspicious, really. it's not even that, it's more like 16 yo telling the pastor "i woke up and my virginity - gone."
asciilifeform: somehow, the whole story - whether it was the lsd, or that the owner's 'furniture' was a cardboard box on the street - is not told in the statement.
asciilifeform: the thing is, his statement is not entirely unlike 'i woke up and my furniture was gone'
mircea_popescu: this would imply zerohedge is a sort of dry run for rt, which i guess is as decent a tinpot theory as any other.
mircea_popescu: ie, send three newspaper an "Article" to write about your product. send them the same one.
mircea_popescu: this is a common (if not the most common) issue/complaint in the "professional" publication field.
mircea_popescu: or that he doesn't actually write these.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only reasonable hypothesis i can think of is that he accidentally posted and it got lifted
solrodar: they weren't immediately better, and they took like 20 times as long to run, so I didn't feel like trying to explore their parameters
solrodar: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1213712 << Also works for me in Firefox 39 and IE 9. but Gimp 2.8.4 scatters the text letter-by-letter across the page in an amusing fashion
mircea_popescu: punkman go to florina or something and drive over the border 20-30 times a day eh.
chetty: <punkman> well shit, they lowered travel allowance to 2k eur, down from 10k// soon you will not be allowed to have cash
shinohai: I'd like to get paid to troll here, but then I'd get a few scummy doge shavings that I have no idea what to do with: http://www.bitvoat.com/
punkman: well shit, they lowered travel allowance to 2k eur, down from 10k
mircea_popescu: i think i might have published the log at the time. mebbe coupla years ago, just when the site was getting started an' i invested
mircea_popescu: this is the one from dooglus' site that took her pic with a wooden something up her snatch right ?
mircea_popescu: is this the reddit derp or someone else ?
assbot: ThePiachu's Bitcoin Blog: Fighting Bitcoin theft - law enforcement block explorer ... ( http://bit.ly/1fzERse )
shinohai: Also, these lulz: http://tpbit.blogspot.ca/2015/07/fighting-bitcoin-theft-law-enforcement.html
mircea_popescu: i'm curious what contortion of the definition of "best" allows for that best to not be "kicking them out of the eurozone"
punkman: "Euro zone countries no longer question whether to restructure Greece's debt, but rather what would be the best way to do it, ECB Executive Board member Benoit Coeure said"
mircea_popescu: it's always refreshing to know a bunch of refugees from lord of the flies are in charge.
punkman: well clearly they should build Troika a palace
mircea_popescu: are they simply sending the whole content of greece to work at cutting rock in africa ? nah. are they just sending dump trucks of money over ? nah. so what are they doing then ? why, the 14 yo thing : they're being really snide about the whole thing for a while.
punkman: "Talks over a third bail-out programme for Greece have been delayed because the country's international creditors have been unable to find secure premises in Athens. "
mircea_popescu: i suspect it may well be the driver of all sorts of ultimately identical behaviours, such as redditards pretending they're not really pointless, etc.
mircea_popescu: punkman anyway, the driver of that notion is this particular psychosis exhibited by fat-people-on-the-internet where they create an alt-reality in which they're not really fat.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: btw, the gimp render of that svg looks pretty nifty.
mircea_popescu: time to hit the girls/gym/greens eh punkman ?
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 12:16:05; solrodar: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213429 << the SVG file you generated renders fine for me in both Inkscape 0.48 and Chrome 43
Naphex: shinohai: nah but there is this thing going about that every person on #bitcoin-assets is just MP :)
mircea_popescu: Naphex i'm seriously contemplating this thing where you must prove you're under 30 bmi to be allowed to type text on the internet.
mircea_popescu: the world will be a very lulzy place once the self-aware 500 lbs women in tech finally take over
Naphex: mircea_popescu: some dude on facebook was "I know the creator of this site Mircea Popescu" :))
mircea_popescu: oh i see, it's us politico hour over there. "the transvestite ronald reagan and the scammer mircea popescu. hurrr"
assbot: goldcakes comments on I'm the developer of Bitcoin Adult Streaming service XOtika.TV AMA! ... ( http://bit.ly/1fzCbuL )
Naphex: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3er616/im_the_developer_of_bitcoin_adult_streaming/cthmlqs
Naphex: One of the first questions in the xotika AMA: Please detail your association with the scammer Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: what exactly are these "inappropriate" feelings ? this'll have to be explained, conceptually, so far it's not unlike "colored scent" or something.
mircea_popescu: "You failed to recognise that your feelings for the boy were completely inappropriate," the judge said.
assbot: Issue 232332 - chromium - minium font-size is applied to SVG text (but it shouldn't) - An open-source project to help move the web forward. - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1fzzklv )
solrodar: although Chrome seems to have a minimum font size causing the labels to overflow the boxes when zoomed out too far
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 21:57:59; ben_vulpes: solrodar, asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/ << the sexprs generate, the scripts run, the svg is nominally an svg (eg has piles of xml i don't care to sift through) but doesn't render anything through any tools I have on hand.
solrodar: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213429 << the SVG file you generated renders fine for me in both Inkscape 0.48 and Chrome 43
assbot: I'm the developer of Bitcoin Adult Streaming service XOtika.TV AMA! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIKrOZ )
Naphex: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3er616/im_the_developer_of_bitcoin_adult_streaming/?ref=share&ref_source=link
davout: BingoBoingo: pretty hilarious, maybe fake though, personally there's no way I'd fly an out-of-limits airplane
assbot: San Francisco combats the stench of urine with pee-repellant paint - Yahoo News Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1gfyhIy )
cazalla: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-27/woman-who-fell-pregnant-to-12yo-boy-jailed-for-sexual-abuse/6651570 what a player, banging milfs at 12, dont even thinking i was choking the turkey at that age
jurov: winblows readyboost was supposed to use them in such capacity, dunno how that ended up
jurov: Perhaps if there was appropriately priced 8-32 GB SD card or USB dongle known to be fast nad not wear out quickly
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: because they made them out of antimony like sane people, not out of low steel like crazy people.
asciilifeform: (supposedly, more than one nato agent outed by otherwise perfect forgeries of documents where stapes failed to rust)
asciilifeform: and couldn't help but think of the soviet staples
asciilifeform: why would they be on reddit? after all, they aren't sold on pigfuck.io, and aren't particularly interested to mega-blox folk
mircea_popescu: so the pogos are what, 95% saved, never will be on reddit ?
mircea_popescu: once the noncargetting is settle, the existence continues somehow, no longer dependant on the cargetting.
mircea_popescu: fucking children i swear. while there's hope to get the car, they absolutely need the car for continued existence and that school project.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, lightest blocks in ages
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't that technically put them in motion ?
asciilifeform: 'GPG for data at rest. TLS for data in motion. You can also use Guttmans cryptlib, which has a sane API. Or Google Keyczar. They both have really simple interfaces, and they try to make it hard to do the wrong thing.' << l0l!!
asciilifeform: https://www.nccgroup.trust/uk/about-us/newsroom-and-events/blogs/2014/october/analysis-of-the-linux-backdoor-used-in-freenode-irc-network-compromise << oldie, from same
mats: https://www.nccgroup.trust/us/about-us/newsroom-and-events/blog/2009/july/if-youre-typing-the-letters-a-e-s-into-your-code-youre-doing-it-wrong/
mircea_popescu: "other girl won". http://40.media.tumblr.com/abf72051d94fb60d323464b46f15ca29/tumblr_n2fuvwy4i91spdyhpo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: considering vlc has had an ascii art rendering plugin for many years now, there's really no limit to how epic that client could end up
mircea_popescu: afaik this would be the first ever case of a 3d mmorpg with a text client
mircea_popescu: and no, they're me impromptu.
scoopbot_revived: The previous event, the next event, the forever event. http://trilema.com/2015/the-previous-event-the-next-event-the-forever-event/
assbot: Greece rocked by reports of secret plan to raid banks for drachma return | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJaNlU )
punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/26/greece-yanis-varoufakis-secret-plan-raid-banks-drachma-return
mircea_popescu: so funny this shit. these derps are still sitting on that referendum vote right ?
punkman: "For TCP/IP, the tool fingerprints the client-originating SYN packet and the first SYN+ACK response from the server, paying attention to factors such as the ordering of TCP options, the relation between maximum segment size and window size, the progression of TCP timestamps, and the state of about a dozen possible implementation quirks (e.g. non-zero values in "must be zero" fields)."
mircea_popescu: but if you did that for any period of time you'd know better than to make the sort of promises htey make.
asciilifeform: but this is '90 state of the art
mircea_popescu: really, they beat nmap, check em out.
mircea_popescu: i was describing the "especially in settings where NMap probes are blocked, too slow, unreliable" bs.
asciilifeform: i was describing the web server in asm item
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the part where they make wildly improbable claims (ex : purely passive traffic fingerprinting mechanisms to identify the players behind any incidental TCP/IP communications (often as little as a single normal SYN) without interfering in any way.) but then mishmashingly backtrack on it (this release candidate still has a relatively small database of fingerprints) and so on
asciilifeform: from here it looks like just another 'we did X but in asm!' projects
mircea_popescu: be that as it may, "this is a magical brothel where the girls extend ectoplasm cunts and satisfactorily reach your very soul. wanna see it in action ? sure, here : ***not working atm***".
mircea_popescu: i dunno, to me it looks perfectly not credible, but then again i'm a toxic asshole.
asciilifeform: punkman: it was the only published src iirc
mircea_popescu: Not all capabilities of p0f can be showcased here, and as noted, this release candidate still has a relatively small database of fingerprints. That said, here's the most recent positive match p0f has for your IP:
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> which is to say, from their point of view, they will always succeed. << ahaha apt.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> gabriel_laddel has the authority to hire subcontractors just like this ? << maybe would just like to have it.
asciilifeform: unfortunately i do not at the moment have the time for a closer look, currently boiling in a cauldron of wurk
asciilifeform: i could be mistaken. (because i also did not find where the hell it does it)
asciilifeform briefly flipped through the 'rwasa' published code, certain of finding that it links openssl, but - it told the truth; did not do so; has own rsa. can't say much else
mircea_popescu: i guess they finally squeezed it out.
mircea_popescu: i was using html5. which they never really supported because ads.
BingoBoingo: Not yet. Now that I've got the right Crystal Space got to take the time to compile it. Still, Nvidia's CS toolkit doesn't exist on this platform so that should be fun to bang the head against until crystalspace 2.2 removes that dependency
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall hearing that they were finally abolishing 'flash' there
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel youtube decided to do some "upgrade" or other and as a result it no longer works. sorry.
shinohai: Oh I know. Anything that measure up to the r/bitcoin status quo is automatically "trolling" or "toxic to the community".
shinohai: I don't see mp as "toxic", he merely destroys the illusions people have of themselves and leaves them standing with the truth of what they are.
gabriel_laddel: (from the back of cltl2)
gabriel_laddel: "... a magnificent job. I have never seen a language description that is more complete or more precise, yet each chapter is throughly enjoyable and subtly witty. The book is absolutely indispensable for all serious LISP students and users; its high quality is a major reason why Common LISP is *the* LISP of the future" - Patrick Henry Winston
ben_vulpes: (i happen to enjoy the amount of study that writing cl takes)
gabriel_laddel: Yep. Him and many others. One rubyist had a particularly entertaining one where he complained about Naggum (who had already passed) being "toxic for the community".
gabriel_laddel: I can't wait for the inevitable blog post about how "CL isn't really all that good" and "the language has serious problems and a lack of tooling"
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 22:16:44; ben_vulpes: the "async" cl webserver the nodebros are banging on about blocks the repl when instantiated in a cl-async 'event loop', unlike how hunchentoot starts a server and then returns on threaded sbcl.
asciilifeform: in the latter cases, respectively, it is an expected thing.
asciilifeform: at any rate, there is a lesson: the difference between ending up like this in cl and in, e.g., python, is sorta like the difference between being covered in own shit in civilian life, vs. inside an oubliette
ben_vulpes: heh like the "modern cl" thinger?
asciilifeform wonders why these folks took cl from the shelf, rather than something more 'komyoonitiful'