decimation: yes, I've noticed that cops are reluctant to use radio for anything other than 'report to seniors'
asciilifeform: it isn't as if police can't use their mouths, talk like normal humans in person
asciilifeform: coderwill: the way it works is 'don't use radio'
decimation: quite possible. the same problems with key distribution are always present
decimation: thus greatly multiplying the potential audience (want to listen to cops && can operate radio)
decimation: and the 10-codes
decimation: asciilifeform: it can be interesting, but you got to know the lingo
coderwill: i know out in the country, you used to be able to pickup police with a scanner
decimation: it's nearly always the case that if cops want to talk about something sensitive they call on cell phone
asciilifeform: they have 'human' phones, paid with own salary, typically.
asciilifeform: coderwill: iirc they carry normal 'human' phones
asciilifeform: however it is done, i see these on dc metro trains
decimation: sure, but often that interoperability is handled at the tower
coderwill: pretty sure the municipal systems (police, fire, air traffic) predate the types of networks
decimation: most modern police radios are 'trunked' and talk to the central towers
asciilifeform: radios work when any two+ can hear one another.
asciilifeform: other thing is,
decimation: nor are the designed to be highly reliable
decimation: it would interesting to compare actual performance of the cell network with govt run equivilents
decimation: why do all localities/states/feds insist on building their own 'special cell network' known as police/fire radios?
decimation: the generations of bean counters that didn't give a fuck, that's who
asciilifeform: who cares about $1/min if the nukes are falling
decimation: you know how much they cost?
decimation: actually this dances around another silliness I've noticed
asciilifeform: whoever thought this idiocy up, must have watched the payphone scene in 'dr strangelove'
decimation: "GETS is accessed through a dialing plan and Personal Identification Number (PIN) card verification system. Using common telephone equipment, the user dials a universal access number: (710)NCS-GETS (627-4387)."
assbot: Government Emergency Telecommunications Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LR1XbW )
decimation: asciilifeform: note that it could have been otherwise
assbot: Nationwide Wireless Priority Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HWRs2H )
decimation: right, the implementation of which is obvious when there's physical relays setting up circuits
punkman: not a great password there coderwill
decimation: my point about IP packets: lots of overhead if you already know where the packets need to go
phf: asciilifeform: my point was that feature phones are not particularly good at their claimed purpose, that buying an old nokia is a hemingwriter, and compared to them iphone has a good sound quality.
asciilifeform: but it is structured in such a way that the band can be used only for voice XOR data
asciilifeform: there is 1
decimation: I doubt there are two physical modems
asciilifeform: (yes, they don't transmit voice as ip packets! believe!)
asciilifeform: plus there are still retarded carriers ('verizon') where data modem is shut down if voice call is going, until it hangs up
decimation: yes, it's a noticable failure of the wifi protocol
asciilifeform: and then you walk off your yard and wifi cuts, and lose call.
decimation: actually I think the iphone will establish a 'facetime' connection over the internet in certain situations
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:02:50; pete_dushenski: the iphone does have spectacular call quality. then again, it's $800
asciilifeform: all the hardware is helpfully included.
decimation: asciilifeform: plus you can buy one openly on the market
asciilifeform: and then parallel construct, 'never happened', 'anonymous stoolie told us where the cocain was buried'
asciilifeform: my current understanding is that 'imsi catcher' is an artifact specifically of the bureaucratic side of usg. intercept at the tower, where the bits hit a land line, is trivial and no one has to leave his chair - but the paperwork is annoying. hence squaddie and 'catcher'
trinque: they're well conditioned to chuckle about "govt sees my dick pics"
trinque: who would, the consumers?
asciilifeform: what's to keep the enemy from simply walking around with a proper commercial tower business end
asciilifeform: i don't get why they would necessarily have to exhibit anomalous behaviour
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214249 << astonishing hipster idiocy. just like, e.g., 'hemingwriter'. ('let's make laptop shaped like typewriter! that'll bring western civilization back!') idiot cargocultists. 'let's omit all, even the few useful features like 'who called' from cell phone! that'll bring the 1950s and american industry back!'
punkman: mats, are any of the osmocombb phones still manufactured?
decimation: because of the interesting nooks and crannies one might find
decimation: actually I suggest a much better idea: reverse the baseband cpu and software
asciilifeform: and usually the various knobs of the radio, if you can read cn or ru and have patience to find datasheet
asciilifeform: article is about 'here is a cool trick, but google's phones won't let you access the modem, buy an old phone'
mats: I imagine that the author spends a lot of time tooling around in cyanogenmod
asciilifeform: just buy the modem
decimation: yeah nearly all modern smartphones still use the 'at commmands' to control the 'baseband' cpu to my knowledge
trinque: though if it's a matter of my strange I'll worry about it then let the rest know the fix if I find it
asciilifeform: mats: ' its no more available unless you use some very old phones/firmwares ( on most devices they removed the ttyUSB serial interfaces to send AT commands to the GSM modem as well ).' << explain to me why this trick requires a phone. i have a crate of gsm modems here, they all have serial lines and take hayes AT command set
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah lemme dig up the link
mats: http://www.evilsocket.net/2015/07/27/how-to-use-old-gsm-protocolsencodings-know-if-a-user-is-online-on-the-gsm-network-aka-pingsms-2-0
asciilifeform: did i miss in the log ?
asciilifeform: trinque: what, exactly, happened there
asciilifeform: that way they will be built once and cached, for a given buildroot working dir
asciilifeform: conceivably the three deps ought to be a package each
asciilifeform: the next step will be to turn 'rotor' into a buildroot package properly speaking (like all the various packages that come with buildroot)
asciilifeform unzips, pisses on the grave of glibc
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000133.html
asciilifeform: the barnacles are not, for any practical purposes of ours, people.
trinque: in other words, if theo holds back scraping barnacles at all, he's doing them a disservice as well as himself.
phf: punkman: i work with iranians, and they, like russians, cook a tea concentrate in a teapot and then you dilute it from a kettle before serving. i used to use tea strainer but i switched back to russian method. this way i can drink tea for hours on end :> samovar is best in that case because it provides a constant supply of warm water
asciilifeform: (from the standpoint of everybody who isn't us here)
trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:47:49; mircea_popescu: people need to learn to be A LOT MORE intolerant with these schmucks. yes, there's always going to be flies ready to land on the oxcart and talk about how "they"ve been plowing, and explain how plowing goes
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:46:43; mircea_popescu: trinque this is to my eyes the #1 problem atm. theo de raadt is doing decent work, but he's barnacled by idiot X Y Z ? check. the kids here, found a legit vulnerability i'm sure, but are they packaged by anon idiot ?
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:42:29; mircea_popescu: anyway, so i guess this is what the response to the b-a shattering of the vessenes scamfoundation is, get the tardstalk retards together over in maryland to start over.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214534 << they are simply imitating mit, the way small-time crooks slavishly imitate famous mega-sc4mz0rz
phf: actually i'm hating for no good reason, i know that in africa they cook tea in ibrik, but i've not had much practice with it. know they also use a lot of sugar and mint
phf: punkman: samovar has a source of heat builtin. traditional models will have a tube in the center, that's used to burn wood like http://magazin-samovarov.ru/upload/medialibrary/3e9/%20golxwmp%207.JPG
punkman: I'm partial to the uncomplicated ibrik
phf: you can't have a proper, civilized gathering without one
decimation: "t. The top editor in chief and the editor at Gawker resigned in protest, claiming that Nick Denton had done exactly what he had promised previously not to do in setting up an editorial staff to insulate him and “the business side.” "
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 21:23:27; shinohai: Every time I follow ascii_field's instructions I have to get out the samovar for tea.
phf: pulling those tars at 100kb down took most of the time ;)
phf: i've got the makefile (that's how i was on last time) to do a clean build, i'm rebuilding right now with smg hosted files
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:08:55; ben_vulpes: i dun mind the phones. voice travels in plaintext of necessity.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214482 << i don't have the time or patience to talk to people over the phone. worst fucking medium ever. if you like the girl why isn't she naked in your lap and if you don't why is there sound.
mircea_popescu: none of this bs "i do 99% of the work and then thhis shithead comes around and wraps it in diarhea".
mircea_popescu: in the end this is exactly equivalent to the end to end encryption thing we're doing.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, gotta know how to open your mouth, and say "stop talking about me you contemptible clod, you don't know enough to shit out the right hole"
trinque: which is for most people 100% of the time.
mircea_popescu: people need to learn to be A LOT MORE intolerant with these schmucks. yes, there's always going to be flies ready to land on the oxcart and talk about how "they"ve been plowing, and explain how plowing goes
mircea_popescu: allowing this sort of parasitism is actually worse than not doing the work in the first place.
mircea_popescu: trinque this is to my eyes the #1 problem atm. theo de raadt is doing decent work, but he's barnacled by idiot X Y Z ? check. the kids here, found a legit vulnerability i'm sure, but are they packaged by anon idiot ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: the fuck, fuck, someone get a bullshit press release out dept
shinohai: pete_dushenski: I have a rather dark sense of humour she sometimes fails to appreciate at first, then winds up laughing months later.
mircea_popescu: the not even wrong club.
mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck writes this pulp.
mircea_popescu: "Since media processing is often time-sensitive, the library is implemented in native code (C++) that is more prone to memory corruption than memory-safe languages like Java."
mircea_popescu: looking forward to the lulzfest.
mircea_popescu: anyway, so i guess this is what the response to the b-a shattering of the vessenes scamfoundation is, get the tardstalk retards together over in maryland to start over.
mircea_popescu: i see " The project, titled, The Science and Applications of Crypto-Currency, will feature David Van Horn, Jonathan Katz, Michael Hicks as Co-PD(s)/co-PI(s)."
mircea_popescu: but in any case, the university blowing 2 mn on idiots and raving lunatics seems different from the other one being defrauded by similarly malignant idiots and raving lunatics.
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 23:25:27; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://bitcoinist.net/university-of-maryland-cryptocurrency-research-grants << looks like the dean didn't give a fuck
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214504 <<< My sister got very angry with me for saying I was going to make a "1gasthekikes" addy
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 20:49:34; mats: http://blog.zimperium.com/experts-found-a-unicorn-in-the-heart-of-android/
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 20:41:45; trinque: shinohai: I think the french pronunciation would be something like "trin-keh"
pete_dushenski: "You should expect network instability at the very beginning of the release, including forks, potential abnormal display of information on our http://stats.ethdev.com page, and various Peer to Peer connectivity issues." << hey, ethereum is just like normal bitcoin !
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 20:11:38; mod6: yup, i thought it was already on there. I just never bothered to check until I tried to execute the script commands by hand and it turned up "not found". then the "ah ha!" moment.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214498 << picture the sheer amount of cpu (gpu? fpga? asic?!!) cycles that went into creating that
mod6: yeah, trinque. I got the same error [this is on, gentoo/nomultilib/glibc built on 20150713]: http://dpaste.com/27S67FQ.txt
trinque: BingoBoingo: that's hate speech; arrest the blockchain.
ben_vulpes: "text messages" the same.
ben_vulpes: and the latter only weakly.
trinque: obviously I avoid the above by other means, but point remains, and no hand-computer for me anymore.
mod6: but what was strange is that none of the bdb libs were copied into ourlibs
mod6: hmm, so after that, i commented out the configure/build parts for openssl/bdb/boost from rotor.sh and re-ran rotor.sh, and it started to compile... failed. couldn't find the BDB stuff.
ben_vulpes: i dun mind the phones. voice travels in plaintext of necessity.
phf: well, that's the conversation about real computers. i wouldn't mind paying those same $800 for a phone that's not "diddle by usg", has excellent sound quality and can send sms with a full keyboard. such phone is not to be had though
trinque: with -e I get stuck at the db step
mod6: asciilifeform: got all the way through boost build with rotor, but not sure yet why this happened: http://dpaste.com/0DZW6G0.txt
shinohai: But then you'd own an Apple product.
pete_dushenski: trinque true 98% of the time, yes.
trinque: I am probably a unique case in that aside from calls from family, I really don't care to be responsive at second-latency to the world at large
pete_dushenski: http://www.amazon.com/BLU-Unlocked-Dual-SIM-Camera-Battery/dp/B00O5EU7TQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1438041125&sr=1-1&keywords=nokia+blu << i tried this for a month or two but no predictive t9 and the -worst- call reception
pete_dushenski: gernika predictive t9 makes all the difference
pete_dushenski: mats it's seriously the coolest. looks a million times better than phabtards with their ipads to their heads
mats: yes am bringing back the RAZR
pete_dushenski: thus, black razr is the sweet spot.
williamdunne: pete_dushenski Yes, I planned enough ahead to have ingredients in, but not enough to sort the teriyaki beforehand. Probably try it again in a couple of weeks
pete_dushenski: gernika neat. though a dumbphone too dumb to text "be there in 10" is too dumb for me.
pete_dushenski: williamdunne next time, plan ahead a day and enjoy the not insignificant benefits of your foresight and patience.
gernika: trinque in a quest for a minimal dumb phone I ordered this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JN82EFO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage. They indeed shipped the phone to the US, but didn't work because wrong GSM frequency. Watch out for that.
trinque: shinohai | well asciilifeform i am all jacked up on tea now << OH YEAH BROTHER
williamdunne: It was pretty good, but that had more to do with the salmon than the teriyaki. Didn't leave it to soak for nearly long enough because we were too hungry
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Yeah, Trilema was the biggest struggle. Still haven't read all of them but read enough that I cooked salmon teriyaki the other evening
trinque: in a bit I'll go back from the beginning to see if I glossed over a step, don't think I did
assbot: Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDCstP )
pete_dushenski: re: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: cheers, we must be one of the most productive communities
trinque: pete_dushenski: who can blame them?
trinque: this just5 company does not appear to ship to the USA!11!
williamdunne: He matches via URLs and remembers ones he's seen in the past, so if the URL was the same that'd be why it didn't work
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: but i found the real one:
asciilifeform: btw the link is broken
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://bitcoinist.net/university-of-maryland-cryptocurrency-research-grants << looks like the dean didn't give a fuck
williamdunne: The problem has moved a few times
pete_dushenski: ready for another test ?
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Silly derp there, fix should have worked and was simple
asciilifeform: the given config is for x86_64
trinque: given where it blew up, it is complaining of not being able to run binaries produced by the buildroot gcc
asciilifeform: sorry folks, just the way it is
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 19:17:47; ascii_field: if it doesn't - walk your box out behind the shed & shoot it, get a real computer
pete_dushenski: williamdunne let me know when you're ready for another test.
mats: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/av/+/master/media/libstagefright/MPEG4Extractor.cpp exercise for a bored reader: spot the vuln in parse3GPPMetaData().
williamdunne: Probably can just adapt the hack to use a list instead of plain text
pete_dushenski: the two today were written a few hours apart, i just wanted to publish them together since they were in the same vein.
williamdunne: <pete_dushenski> any idea why scoopy won't pick up two articles in quick succession ? <<< lack of a functional messaging queue in the standard library of what I used, resulting in me using a hacky way of getting the bit that handles IRC to speak to the bit that handles RSS
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
gribble: williamdunne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 10 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <williamdunne> Is there a sign saying dead nigger storage?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/27/the-valley-of-uncanny/ << because scoopbot_revived only picked up the first of today's poems.
trinque: there were also several failed boost targets, which may or may not matter
trinque: in my case buildroot succeeded, and build proceeds up to the following barf trying to build db:
mod6: i hit a small environment snag in the buildroot build itself -- i didn't have `cpio` installed, now that it's installed continuing make..
trinque: s/the//
trinque: color schemes remind me of the winamp for some reason
trinque: note to derps such as myself, you must rename the files without the appended ml hash or w/e to verify sigs
shinohai: Every time I follow ascii_field's instructions I have to get out the samovar for tea.
ascii_field: first run it, then thank
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: this one is the full shebang.
ascii_field: but, since it works, and mircea_popescu was lamenting the lack of it,
ascii_field: wtf is the matter with turdatron
gribble: Amazon.com: John's Phone. Business - Black. The World's Simplest ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Johns-Phone-Business-Black-Simplest/dp/B004TF10FG>; John's Phone - The World's Simplest Cell Phone | Covering mobile ...: <http://www.johnsphones.com/>; Store | John's Phone - The World's Simplest Cell Phone: <http://www.johnsphones.com/store/item9>
trinque: I've heard that; I wonder whether my ancestors were wine makers or winos
davout: from the "trinquer" verb
davout: trinque is the french for "cheers" when you have a drink
fluffypony: anything that uses the framework to generate thumbnails or whatever
trinque: davout: nah, talking bout an app atop the thing
davout: trinque: "with both assurances that the content being read is the author's" <<< iirc that was precisely not the point
Adlai: nobody expects the spanish pronounciation!
trinque: shinohai: I think the french pronunciation would be something like "trin-keh"
trinque: one can easily imagine a system with both assurances that the content being read is the author's and with fault tolerance
shinohai: I always want to add a "t" to the end of your name trinque
trinque: not the one to which I refer
trinque: shinohai: I look forward to the day publishing is done over gossipd.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: If you really want to archive qntra there are many options. wget, curl, that derpy browser based website copier...
gernika: Anyone yet written any scripts to archive Trilema? I dipped my toe in the water, but only got as far as figuring out how to get curl to set the right cookie.
mod6: lol. ok. had me worried there for a second.
mod6: ascii_field: what's the problem now?
mod6: then obviously it'll need further instructions in the cookbook for whenever we put out v0.5.4, etc.
mod6: And then next month, if no one else volunteers to create the "cookbook". I'll spend all of August building that. I'll start with a guide for deb6 & ubuntu on x86-64 and i386.
mod6: Beyond that, I need to write upt the SoBA for this month.
mod6: my plan for tonight is to put out the bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST1.tar.gz bundle to the ML tonight if possible. This is a pre-patched tarball of all of ascii's patches (and one of my fixes) up through verifyall. Should work only on x86-64 deb6/ubuntu 14.04/gentoo nomultilib glibc - if anyone wants to help test.
mod6: yup, i thought it was already on there. I just never bothered to check until I tried to execute the script commands by hand and it turned up "not found". then the "ah ha!" moment.
BingoBoingo: In other news re:Debian SPARC http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7747553&cid=50191243
BingoBoingo: By yes. One of the big wigs at the prosecution's office apparently stooped to negotiating over a misdemeanor.
BingoBoingo: So I will be shuttling $200 to the drive through lawyer to argue the hearing on motions in Septembet (why he neglected to mention this before I have no idea).
BingoBoingo: Apparently the person immediately under the elected State's attourney showed up to the negotiations and demanded a guilty plea offering minimum fine and court supervision. If they want it that bad they simply are not getting it.
decimation: 'yeah we totally write stuff in portable code but we can't be bothered to support anything other than what Intel stamps out because reasons'
mircea_popescu: understand : in the strictest sense, it must be IDENTICAL.
ascii_field: but overall mircea_popescu is right, there is not yet a cookbook
mircea_popescu: besides the point.
ascii_field: there is http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html << which gets you to buildroot
shinohai: Ubuntu is just the linux version of Winblowze Vista
mircea_popescu: and i DO mean all the way to EXACTLY "Create a directory (mkdir dev). Navigate to it (cd dev)"
ascii_field: in that it builds a gcc, and full binutils toolchain, which ~then~ can build, e.g., bitcoind
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: buildroot is precisely the antidote to 'gentooism'
mircea_popescu: step out of that context for a second and understand that if the thing doesn't build,. the thing doesn't build.
ascii_field: shinohai: play with it. change the arch to x86 and see if you can run the resulting elf