ascii_field: mircea_popescu can short eth there
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218686 << obvious;ly thewir derpy web2.0 site doesn't load here. how much actual BTC could i get by shorting a billion eth atm, provided of course there were an actual market for the thing which behaved like a market and so i could do this ?
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 20:52:13; peterl: so I go to use the computer at $LocalLibrary, sign into their winblows system, pull up gmail, and lo and behold the previous user is *still signed in*.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field: we know how. but market does not want penicillin. it wants the normal cocktail of horseshit and opium << this sounds like it';d sell
phf: huh, i actually forgot that. it was somewhere in the discussion about conformal implementation, "not written in wot"
ascii_field: and if phf read the logz, he knows that i am an opponent of maintaining the 0.5.3 thing into eternity.
phf: ascii_field: i'm having hard time understanding your point then. c++ on a von neumann machine leaks by protocol, so we either write against the guarantees of the underlying machine or not at all?
SuchWow: they do know me in #dogecoin tho, it's true. ;)
SuchWow: I am just SuchWow, never cared for identing with anything other than nickserv
SuchWow: are there IPOs with bitcoin based stocks at all
SuchWow: how's the bitcoin?
ben_vulpes: how's the dogecoin?
ascii_field: phf: when you lose your keys, you may not know exactly where they are, but you can be very certain that they are not on the moon.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo cheers mate. i guess i'm in the spammer books or something
phf: ascii_field: oh i'm still on the subject of wal logs
phf: ascii_field: so what's the difference between existing leaky abstractions that don't leak in some meaningful sense and the ones that we decide to introduce?
ascii_field: phf: and if you know of these leaking in some meaningful sense, please say.
phf: ascii_field: there's a lot of leaky abstractions in the current codebase, starting with "string" and "bignum". presumably the solution for those will be to port bitcoind to an architecture with tagged memory?
peterl: why did assbot get the title in french?
peterl: reminds me of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1430626/ where the antagonists are a bunch of rich snobs who strive to eat the most rare species
shinohai: We should help preserve as many lions as possible, IMO. What else are we gonna feed all the Xstians to?
ascii_field: kill, eat the last panda, why not.
ascii_field: such as losing bits when the mains current flickers
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 10:25:45; scoopbot_revived: Cecil the Lion is a Pretext for Expanding Extraterritoriality of US Law http://qntra.net/2015/07/cecil-the-lion-is-a-pretext-for-expanding-extraterritoriality-of-us-law/
peterl: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217674 << why does everybody mention it was a dentist that killed the lion? Did a tooth extraction go horribly wrong?
ascii_field: phf: for so long as it runs on a consumer pc, it will exhibit the braindamage characteristic to the pc.
phf: ascii_field: oh i wan't talking in the abstract, i was thinking in terms of prescriptive specifically when it comes to working on bitcoind
ascii_field: phf: no. if it leaks, should find the author and boil him in oil.
phf: ascii_field: is your argument then, on a higher level, if abstraction leaks it should not be introduced?
pete_dushenski: makes bitstamp look like the chinese olympic games
peterl: I should have emailed the ISIS and cc'ed NSA?
trinque: above I spoke about being fond of my folks having the drive to "not suck"
kakobrekla: a whole 8 buttcoin volume on that thin, is that all they got?
trinque: pete_dushenski: it was in reference to the ISIS convo
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 20:52:13; peterl: so I go to use the computer at $LocalLibrary, sign into their winblows system, pull up gmail, and lo and behold the previous user is *still signed in*.
pete_dushenski: eth up a solid 20x over ipo price for those (like saifedean) who threw a couple bucks at it and are ready to cash the fuck out.
peterl: does it matter how much hashing pwer they have if it is pointed at the other side of a fork?
ascii_field: understand, the thing can work while being used only by mircea_popescu and five other similar fellas to 'hawala' at each other.
trinque goes to find the thread
ascii_field: trinque: say, the cellular automata apparatus i described last year
ascii_field: trinque: then we switch workfunctions
trinque: ascii_field: the hashing power monopoly scenario; say it forks and there's nearly no hashing power on the side of therealbitcoind
peterl: so I go to use the computer at $LocalLibrary, sign into their winblows system, pull up gmail, and lo and behold the previous user is *still signed in*.
shinohai is glas he discovered therealbitcoin
ascii_field: the reason to remove machine gun from the hands of a demented anal child is not necessarily that you need the thing for anything.
trinque: I took that to be one of the reasons to take over development of bitcoind
trinque: or are we already in a position where things like the blocksize limit debate are moot
trinque: ascii_field: tactically speaking, supposing there just isn't time for antifuse rom?
ascii_field: we know how. but market does not want penicillin. it wants the normal cocktail of horseshit and opium
ascii_field: in the sense that 'cold fusion' or elixir of immortality is
trinque: but then to continue in that vein, I do see how trying endless mitigations is a death by a thousand cuts.
trinque: and while you're fabbing hardware, might want to keep the integrity of the thing in the meantime
trinque: chewing up a database on disk is a fine way to run afoul of the "I do not have the correct blockchain problem" the whole piece of software by its very purpose tries to avoid.
kakobrekla: get the hardware i meant.
kakobrekla: <trinque> maybe that's called for here < actually its called for in many other places, you still dont get it.
ascii_field: trinque: in precisely the same way that abdominal surgery increases required standard of hygiene
trinque: amazing how bitcoin drastically increases the requirements on rigor and correctness
ascii_field: as will the tape deck and a piece of 'scotch'
ascii_field: a fifty-cent magnet will 'rewrite' happily, these magical 'write once' tapes.
ascii_field: that the drive would obey.
ascii_field: was told that it is ordinary tape. but with a magic hole in the cartridge - like old floppy disk
ascii_field: this piqued my curiosity and i inquired to the vendor, how, precisely, does one make a write-once magnetic tape ?!!
ascii_field: the docs mentioned that one could buy 'write-once tapes', for usg regulatory compliance
ascii_field: and we have a then-popular tape robot
ascii_field: there is an important difference between 'x will not happen because i promise not to stick it in that hole, really' and 'x cannot happen because physics'
phf: well block*.dat are essentially append only, the idea can be emulated by having transaction bits. you write a t bit, you write rest of block, when done flip t bit. on restart you walk backwards until the first flipped bit and you file truncate anything from that point on
ascii_field: the 'otp' chips sold currently are a FRAUD - eeproms with black epoxy instead of window !!
trinque turns the death metal on again, fitting as it is
trinque: there, that's an awesome idea.
ascii_field: blow the last bit when 0...n represent valid block.
ascii_field: n+1 bits per block, with the last one signifying 'finalized'
ascii_field: now we also need a tcp crud pipe for every access to the blockchain ????!!
ascii_field: trinque: and go, unplug the disk of, e.g., a postgres
trinque: I'm going to restart it from the beginning
ascii_field: the ministry of dropped packets is doing well.
ascii_field: for the last week or so, after (briefly) fully synced
mircea_popescu: there's really not that many.
mircea_popescu: the agitprop ministry got raped a little.
mircea_popescu: the sv ministry got raped a little.
ascii_field: but it is not the only ministry
ascii_field: yes, there is a ministry of usg that occupies itself with finding nails for the microscope to pound in, badly
mircea_popescu: "it has problems, can't deliver on customer expectations, etc". you see the seeds in the amazon recent lol/
ascii_field: wake me up when they can't afford to mine spamblox any moar.
mircea_popescu: the 2016 usg line re bitcoin will be that "never happened, not important, uninteresting"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you will notice, if inclined to notice, the distress manifest in the reduction of funding.
mircea_popescu: both these got a little crashed, and yes i'm going to bleed the living life out of the entire set of derp shartups, and yes it can say until it falls over.
mircea_popescu: lawl. actually hanbot & shinohai the stuff's quite well related. sv knows how to do one thing, the whole "make a market out of a trillion shitheads and sell them sheep olives for quarter pennies". and usg lives in this delusional alt-reality where it is enough for it to say, and things happen.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: she and her fuckbuddy oversee a university lab where slave labour (grad students) work (or pretend to) on 'ethereum'
assbot: The future of Bitcoin regulation on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuOLXs )
hanbot: re that hearn-gmaxwell reddit slapfight, "Not many quit their jobs and created companies to build products only for today's tiny user base." is the best part. sv somehow hoping http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/#selection-61.0-61.210 never happened.
kakobrekla: oh this is about the same thing.
shinohai: How did they manage to get $2 mil in funding ?
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2014 22:53:40; mircea_popescu: ;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014" for 1 BTC.
assbot: 5 results for 'from:mircea_popescu ethereum bitcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+ethereum+bitcoin
mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea_popescu ethereum bitcoin
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, nobody yet bought the shorts
assbot: REMINDER: the block gas limit is currently 5000, so it is not possible to send transactions. We will release an update in a couple days to cause miners to "vote" the gas limit upwards at which point the full blockchain functionality will be de-facto enabled. : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT9ZJ5 )
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3f6f1r/reminder_the_block_gas_limit_is_currently_5000_so/
ascii_field: 'In monolithic operating systems, a driver can write to any word of memory and thus accidentally trash user programs. In MINIX 3, when a user expects data from, for example, the file system, it builds a descriptor telling who has access and at what addresses. It then passes an index to this descriptor to the file system, which may pass it to a driver. The file system or driver then asks the kernel to write via the
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: well... honestly, if one takes the stand that mcd is not really food, that same one'd be hard pressed to count neoprotestant lols as religion.
trinque: look what happens otherwise?
shinohai: I honestly have no issues with those that do choose to practice religion, just respect the fact that some don't.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, so was england, at about the same time. diff flavour.
mircea_popescu: shinohai ironically, the us was founded on sectarian neoprotestantism alright.
shinohai: Same in America, blabbering about how this nation was specifically founded on Christian principles, without ever bothering to read the treaty of Tripoli.
mircea_popescu: they do not know what that meant.
ascii_field: aha, even f-students know that they were once empires.
ascii_field: hence the stories being ~believable~
ascii_field: but yes, they are in 'hitler's bunker' mode
ascii_field: or that north was an industrial giant, heavy on the machinery market, until blockaded by usa and its muppets ?
ascii_field: how many people know, for instance, that south started the kr war ?
trinque: and that's probably the opinion that matters most
assbot: It’s Official: China, South Korea Sign Free Trade Agreement | The Diplomat ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuKjYM )
trinque: http://thediplomat.com/2015/06/its-official-china-south-korea-sign-free-trade-agreement/ << does not appear that china gives half a shit what nk wants
ascii_field: trinque: virtually everything printed in english re: north kr is a bold-faced lie out of the mouth of south kr
trinque: the language is always "prepared" to fight
ascii_field: (from the west)
mircea_popescu: oh, they'd take.
mircea_popescu: unlike iran, nobody is offering them one.
ascii_field: roughly: 'let us remind, yesterday, pravda.ru yesterday described the speech of the ambassador of north kr, kim hen jeon, who pronounced that his country will not follow the example of iran and go into talks with the west re: nuclear disarmament. instead, pyongyang will actively prepare for a nuclear tension, given the fact that usa is increasing its involvement with training of the south kr army.'
mircea_popescu: anyway, obviously unlike iran they won't cut a deal.
shinohai: Between him and the Iranian female ninjas, I am starting to quake in my shoes.
mircea_popescu: is it a bad thing that i find him more amusing than the run of the mill usg "comedian" ?
mircea_popescu: "Gone forever is the era when the United States blackmailed us with nukes; now the United States is no longer a source of threat and fear for us and we are the very source of fear for it."
ascii_field: pravda ought to fire their translator
mircea_popescu: such a bizarre phrase structure they use by now
mircea_popescu: Kim said the contest was intended to "bring about a radical turn in the drills to round off preparations for a war full of the will to settle with arms accounts with the U.S. imperialists, the chieftain of aggression, and the South Korean puppet group keen to escalate the confrontation with the fellow countrymen and that of social systems, seized with sycophancy toward the U.S.,"
shinohai: Well if the vag is internal, and the barcode is on top of that, technically it *is* above.
shinohai: Just call me crispy then.
shinohai: The scan checks out mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/8fbe0005e45f6bc64efc4ca034b46249/tumblr_n0jownfewq1si2s09o1_1280.jpg
shinohai: I imagine mine are still sitting around waiting for the world to end, and trying to force-feed as much of that nonsense to others as possible.
trinque: they just missed
trinque: I have a great relationship with them; they spend all day trying to not suck, and good for them
trinque: hilarity of it is I think the guy's a born again himself
shinohai: Books too, they had a hard-on for Umberto Eco for some reason, and I could never keep a copy of Foucault's Pendulum
funkenstein_: mircea_popescu, good question. i spent a lot of time with the fluid mechanics volume back in the day.
trinque: shinohai: heh! I got busted for tom petty once, of all things. told my mom "you could stand me up at the gates of hell, but I wont back down"
mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> though I can't claim to have gone through all of them in great detail << o.O so then what have you done ?
trinque: shinohai: old metal does me just fine too, gotta know the greats
mircea_popescu: ascii_field just the fact that it was probably determinable with great certainty at age 7 or so that i wouldn't grow up to be mircea_popescu << you think anyone actually wants more of me around ?
mircea_popescu: what do the fuckwits know.
mircea_popescu: * danielpbarron too << maybe solution then is ask 7 yo kid if they should be killed and do the opposite.
shinohai: Considering they believe the world is going to end and there is no need for any sort of secular education, it is a wonder I can read at all.
mircea_popescu: jurov just because you posit there's going to be retrospection needed doesn't mean it's either necessarily so or what i said, you know.
trinque: I suspect that's why the satan schtick amuses me so
shinohai: trinque: I do regularly mumble prayers in public to Satan, when fundamentalists ruin my meal by trying to pray loudly over their food for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: i can hardly understand what the guy is trying to sing to me.
assbot: AT THE GATES - Death And The Labyrinth (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DSXhdx )
funkenstein_: the masses do not know what mass is
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 16:08:35; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217709 << the masses do not know what christianity is
funkenstein_: http://www.brainfacts.org/Sensing-Thinking-Behaving/Awareness-and-Attention/Articles/2013/The-Cocktail-Party-Problem
funkenstein_: plenty of aether to go around, i think we just don't know how to use it yet
ascii_field: the subject of why every bag of meat on this sorry rock can't have own radio station, to any useful degree, 'will not fit in the margins of this page' unfortunately.
funkenstein_: but I am curious the specifics
funkenstein_: though I can't claim to have gone through all of them in great detail
ascii_field: through 8 rather.
ascii_field: like any other famine.
kakobrekla: because of the 80 vhs tapes?
ascii_field: funkenstein_ et al: the basic quandry is that communication channels are scarce and very crowded.
ascii_field: just the fact that it was probably determinable with great certainty at age 7 or so that i wouldn't grow up to be mircea_popescu
funkenstein_: we need full stack IP over aether
funkenstein_: jurov, at some layer, they must be analog right?
trinque: ascii_field | on third hand coming out of alien chest, i readily recognize that i probably ought to have been killed at age 7 or so << plenty of intelligent people had all kinds of health problems; surely there are reasons other than "fit as a viking" to live
jurov: funkenstein_: shannon would apply if the intertubes were analog
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 14:36:04; asciilifeform: they would much rather that everyone announce, for usg's ease of snoopage, when they are beginning to speak, and to whom, for how long, which order the bytes lay down in.
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218023 <-- despite Shannon's complete description of communication in propagation, it seems the details of protocols, sources/sinks of information in various forms, are still totally open
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218311 << on one hand, jurov has it. on other, answer to 'flood of meat' is better selection criteria, rather than 'every sperm is precious' (tm) (r)
trinque: absent a giant safety net, life itself will do the culling
trinque: jurov: as for the culling, wouldn't that be up to the parents that clearly decided to let you live? heh
trinque: if it's free, you're the product!!
jurov: mp: "kids must be culled properly" me: "i'd be culled easily" mp:"then these thought you were retarded should have been culled"
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assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 12:19:55; shinohai: It's interesting to think about. I just like the summary of Christianity - which, because I live in that "One Nation under GAWD" I get rather sick of hearing the masses go on about.
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kakobrekla: assbot> Successfully updated the rating for phf from 2 to 1 < assbot
kakobrekla: you are mixing the two wots
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mircea_popescu: dude check it out, the year gets experimental verification.
mircea_popescu: phf how long have you spent reading the logs ?
phf: using linux kernel as the base allows for rapid repurposing of cheap chinese computers, without having to write drive controllers or general kernel hackery. in case of suckless it was probably more to do with audiocards and inertia. at the time when the suckless project started, it wasn't yet obvious how compromised kernel will eventually become, the reaction was mostly to userspace retardation
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in the entire history of human thought there have not been produced 9, or for that matter 1 gb worth recording.
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 04:16:03; asciilifeform: there ARE NOT 9 GB of useful src
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217570 << fun fact : the ennumeration of all people ~alive today~ would far exceed 9gb. degree of magnitude +.
trinque: seems like db's config script had environment data leaking into it from the underlying host
trinque: the rotor problem mod6 and I ran into was simple as can be
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 03:59:36; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217395 << if i have to ship a bootable linux iso, buildrooted for the purpose of building a) self b) bitcoin - i will. in fact, yes, i have this up my sleeve, BUT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO USE IT instead of retarduntu etc
mircea_popescu: anyway, the only way to solve this problem is of course ppp, ie pay per packet. and the only way to even run an internet at all is as a blockchain, which is to say mempool and all that.
jurov: they want just buy and click
mircea_popescu: why are these things on the internet ? i do not wish anything to do with any of them.
mircea_popescu: OK, thanks Chester for the clear explanation.
asciilifeform: srsly the pipe has to go through your wall
asciilifeform: i get it, this is most fun sport in the world
mircea_popescu: much like i don't make kids, the women make kids. i just kill some of the kids they make.
mircea_popescu: i don't solve problems. i just throw away other people's solutions.
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting, incidentally, for mircea_popescu to tell me how to set the pogo clock without ntp
mircea_popescu: but yes, it was practically shown that a) no actual protection from ddos exists, outside of the ostrich method discussed above and b) udp is the key to this state of affairs.
jurov: were they reolved by banning a protocol?
mircea_popescu wonders if he's the only one that remembers the major spammer-ddos wars of a few years ago.
asciilifeform: (my isp won't like != 17 either. i will have to send these packets to mircea_popescu by camel.)
asciilifeform: and the multi-step connection opening
asciilifeform: third party gets to cry in the corner
asciilifeform: i don't like the fact that i gotta say it in cleartext !
mircea_popescu: i never comprehended the "anonimity" securityt posture, but whatever.
mircea_popescu: decimation except he didn't like the fact yu gotta say where you're sending stuff "because usg snoops it"
decimation: at any rate, the problem isn't udp or tcp, it's the fact that ip packets route without any signature
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's on the cable ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there can trivially be gossipd-over-blockchain.
asciilifeform: realize that there can be no useful gossipd except with something like what is described above (i.e. udp but with protocol != 17)
mircea_popescu: yes, im sure the idiots "writing software" and "deploying apps" will soon write more crud and deploy more crap
asciilifeform: so 'easy to filter' because ~no one is doing them~
asciilifeform: enjoy the syn floodz
decimation: okay, let's imagine a new 'mpdp' that is the same as udp except carries an extra bit to indicate whether the bearer is an idiot
mircea_popescu reserves the sovereign right to blame anyhone on the path to the "accident" he chooses. so no, it's not "the misconfigured routers", i'm not the pitbull you put in the doorway, slam the door and it then "blames the misconfigured door".
jurov: then you'll just enable the reflection attacks right to your tcp port 80.. indeed fun to watch