asciilifeform: (someone other than us maniacs)
mircea_popescu: because, as they say in omaha, "you're smart and i'm right, you'll figure it out"
asciilifeform: however, the friction has to be sufficiently low
mircea_popescu: it leads to the following game theoretical situation : want your node to be well connected ? simply tell IT your decent fee paying txn.
mircea_popescu: well what i was thinking was the converse (shuttering those who fail to provide acceptable txn, in sufficient proportion)
asciilifeform: so i'm still at a loss as to how to subscribe those that supply the fat.
asciilifeform: wanna suggest a numeric value for the penalty constant ?
mircea_popescu: i think this is one of those situation where suboptimal wins. let us "lose", i'll take the loss.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and not fucking all comers costs the female, too.
asciilifeform: in that there aren't that many folks on decent pipes connecting
mircea_popescu: let there be a selection pressure in this petri dish.
mircea_popescu: moreover, random is what spwaned forth the incredible complexity of life.
mircea_popescu: should also allow those peers that provide the fat.
asciilifeform: as in, folks who paid for the vpn key.
mircea_popescu: kinda the whole point.
asciilifeform: let ~peers~ access the cream of tx (top of sorted cache)
asciilifeform: the obvious thing to do after this:
asciilifeform: and now for part 2 of the algo,
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 17:27:00; mircea_popescu: ascii_field again : we have a pool of X bytes. tx are allowed in only if they pay more than average fore that x.
mircea_popescu: course earlier today was like the 4th restatement, and i am not known for improved expression over time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was going over your proposed algo for tx cache eugenics. seems to me like it is suboptimal, in that it only rejects or accepts ~new~ tx based on net loss/gain. what it ~really~ ought to do is to keep the cache sorted by $/mass at all times, and ~evict the bottom loser~ every time the cache fills and a winner knocks on the door.
mircea_popescu: (contrary to what superficial students of history may surmise, i did mean the background ones)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! yes, them.
mircea_popescu: alpalp i don't think b-a was ever too impressed with the guy.
mircea_popescu: i guess they served him with a stay put order a year ago
mircea_popescu: dude the dumb fuck actually stuck around ?
phf: i mostly need to make sure my developers get the right idea
shinohai: That's all the altcoin world is
cazalla: mircea_popescu, no, i think someone else just created a knock off to skim a little more cream off the top .. https://www.ethercoin.cc/ (regged august last year) that is the coin pete linked anyway, not legit scam eth
shinohai: Why yes, that is the one. That means I am not quite as inebriated as I thought.
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/qeIlr seems to be missing from... https://archive.is/jF1cV or any other avenue of discovery that isn't a direct link...
mircea_popescu: i live to make whatever selection of inconvenient facts about the living and the dead a huge pain in their ass.
mircea_popescu: possibly the most batshit insane thing about france today is that you go to jail for having one done ABROAD.
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/07/france-seeks-to-impose-right-to-be-forgotten-globally/ << and once they're done with that, they may move on to imposing "married woman's right to be free from dna testing of offspring" globally.
mod6: yeah. the patch itself is mundged when sent like that because gnupg tries to escape hyphens; which is why "- ---" and "- -../dist/configure ..." happens.
trinque: so if that thing's suitable, great, otherwise I'll send it again
trinque: and I meant to attach the thing, but apparently need to lern2emacs
asciilifeform: looks like trinque forgot to link his patch here? >>>> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000136.html <<<<
BingoBoingo: cazalla: They throw that image around to hide the truth. No one "flips" burgers there anymore.
trinque: cazalla: that's going to be the ass end of asciilifeform's coke machine
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 02:37:25; BingoBoingo: Well, they will probably keep humans at the cash register to provide a surface for customers to direct anger at.
BingoBoingo: Come on scoopy, what does the Friday newsdump have in store for us.
trinque: what I mean is, say you want to work on n slots, perhaps you just bail to regular CL data structures from there
ben_vulpes: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt << mod6 is this still up to date?
ben_vulpes: and i'm not quite sure what the "select * from Y" equivalent in a cl proggie would be
gernika: Can someone point me to the guide for installing gentoo properly for foundation purposes? Following the default guide and it's got steps for setting up systemd, which clearly I don't want.
trinque: but surely it was treated in the golden age
trinque: I'm not clear on the interaction between long term storage and runtime just yet
trinque: the shuffling of objects looks a lot like mmap, I'd bet
trinque: this is where I'd want to transactionally snapshot rather than -and-die
ben_vulpes: i understand s-l-a-d, but not necesarily how to persist in-memory data structures over the running of a new system.
ben_vulpes: i'm not quite certain how persistence is supposed to work in the absence of an external database, and over restarts/redeploys.
trinque: slot accessors being one of them
trinque: ben_vulpes: actually I'm growing convinced it's the rich man's
hanbot: ascii_field hanbot, what are the remaining issues? << rotor.sh sez: http://thewhet.net/han/rotorfail.txt (no patches) meanwhile mod6 has made progress on RI on ubuntu so still working on "manual" stator build.
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 20:59:09; pete_dushenski: eth up a solid 20x over ipo price for those (like saifedean) who threw a couple bucks at it and are ready to cash the fuck out.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218689 <<< i think ethercoin is just some eth altcoin where each ethercoin is redeemable for 1 eth or some shit like that - catching up on logs so nfi if this was pointed out later
ben_vulpes: define methods that run after other methods
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mircea_popescu: or what they call cream. fucking hell...
ben_vulpes: actually there was one rule
mircea_popescu: prolly never as much as set fire to the very boat keeping him afloat a glacier lake or anything
ben_vulpes: i was just barely smart enough to break all of the rules without ever telling anyone
ben_vulpes: heh mostly in the sense of "i can't believe that you came out of me, idiot"
mircea_popescu: species would be in one helluva predicament if they did care. kids get pretty fucking insulting.
ben_vulpes: ain't that the truth
mircea_popescu: "Listen to old Gloria. The greater the sacrifice you ask a woman to make, the more she knows you love her. Honestly."
mircea_popescu: women don't care about being insulted by people they like.
ben_vulpes: that way they won't come back :P
mircea_popescu: right. how do you get them to leave ?
mircea_popescu: just because you were stuck on windows web framework for a while means jack in the grand order.
mircea_popescu: the words are fine.
trinque: I do wonder if anybody ever had words for the innermost stuff, or not
trinque: this problem of the language meaning not-one-damn-thing explains a great deal to me
assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 02:49:04; trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit
shinohai: I have women visit me, i detest going out to them.
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 19:15:20; mircea_popescu: i would propose to you that's an excellent definition of a country : that place where young adults know who they are.
trinque: http://trilema.com/2014/please-take-your-pills/#selection-21.0-25.1 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153508 << there's something here which I've been chewing on for quite a while. I find that in myself past a certain point there are not words at all for the symbols I use to relate to my life. I've considered whether this is due to -->
trinque: in the "hey dude, smell this" kind of way
mircea_popescu: the world won't be a better place until we put an end to all this bullying, and global warming.
mircea_popescu: and this unfair criticism which quashes the creativity of quacks!
mircea_popescu: "Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew was a reality television show that aired on the cable network VH1 which chronicles a group of people as they are treated for alcohol and drug addiction by Dr. Drew Pinsky and his staff at the Pasadena Recovery Center in Pasadena, California. [...] In May 2013, Pinsky announced that season six was the final season, explaining that he was tired of the criticism leveled at him after celebrit
ben_vulpes: i'm locking you in the code hole until its done
trinque: ben_vulpes: any chance we can slip the release date til never?
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone familiar with the personal history of one rachel uchitel ? some choice lulz there.
trinque: ben_vulpes: yeah sorry, I realized moonscript was going to cause me to think too much, so I'm working on a new type system for Fey which will somehow hide the fact that I'm still using JS in a browser
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: "But he went to a good school" - Famous last words, as far as I can tell also their Derp selection criteria. Best to head him off when he's weak least he Hearniate to a lager size
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they must be some choice derps, he's less effectual even than that southern republican lobby chick with a funny name.
BingoBoingo: It seems like that's the sort of deal he has. Some fiaters pay him to run a fan club, he tries to "influence agent"
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 21:12:51; mircea_popescu: "When America finally gets to the point when she legalizes prostitution, as she already has legalized homosexuality, she will be at the point when God will execute His judgment upon her, I.e., Death. In Seminar #2, we demonstrate to you that we believe the "Economic Babylon" in Revelation 18 is the United States of America. Read this chapter with this thought in mind, and shudder at the physical dest
ben_vulpes: trinque: where's your expense report for these 9k in lulz?
BingoBoingo: Basically all that. Mostly nothing. He apparently though is embeded in with the New York bitcoin theater.
mircea_popescu: trinque your joke application was denied. i will proceed to take the aforementioned seriously.
trinque: mircea_popescu: shit no! I belong in the code dungeon
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> isn't that making the twerp into way too much ? what's next, "donald trump tips illuminati agenda for toupes" ? << Kinda made himself too much after Gox. Twas bullet 1. This bullet 2.
ben_vulpes: why the hell else is he going to a moonscript conference but to drum up more "fix my busted ass js" work?
mircea_popescu: "When America finally gets to the point when she legalizes prostitution, as she already has legalized homosexuality, she will be at the point when God will execute His judgment upon her, I.e., Death. In Seminar #2, we demonstrate to you that we believe the "Economic Babylon" in Revelation 18 is the United States of America. Read this chapter with this thought in mind, and shudder at the physical destruction God may hav
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mircea_popescu: isn't that making the twerp into way too much ? what's next, "donald trump tips illuminati agenda for toupes" ?
ben_vulpes: no no the ui expert tells me that affordances are what you call things
mircea_popescu: is that dancing afore the fuck ?
mircea_popescu: thanks for the brainstorming guise, i think we created a lot of value. off to put another starbux coffee on this credit card someone mailed me for some reason.
mircea_popescu: we'll call them... flikes!
ben_vulpes is stuck maintaining the sad remnants of a UGC application
trinque: yep, this was the sad aftershock of that
mircea_popescu: that these twerps are still suckling that old goat in 2015...
mircea_popescu: made for some very lulzy years in the 90s
mircea_popescu: trinque was the original nonsense answer to the question of the web. "oh, UGC will fill the holes! all we have to do is throw some widgets together and this torrent of FREE!!11 creativity, valuable unfiltered, will wash us all the way to the bank"
trinque: ben_vulpes: your grandmother doesn't want to write her own to-do app?
trinque: the idea that you can just you know, "unlock" the "creativity" of a randomly selected bovine if the UI's "intuitive" enough
mircea_popescu: too bad one can't take a snapshot of "the consensus" of webidiots.
mircea_popescu: erg_ tried the log ?
trinque: holy crap, they're trying to build in an end user programming thing
erg_: What is the consensus here as to how Bitcoin evolves?? It occurs to me these debates about the software become less relevant in the future
trinque: nevermind, I don't even want to bother.
trinque: "without any possibility of downtime" what the fuck is this shit
mircea_popescu reminds slavegirl to buy toaster so ethereum toasterworld takeover may proceed unhampered.
erg_: She looks too satisfied and too clothed
shinohai: I'll be on the lookout for her to arrive by post. ;)
shinohai: I made the point about monkeys and keyboards in a similar fashion a few days ago.
erg_: looking for the intelligent voices in Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: yak, you know. anything can be yakked, and thus therfore on a long enough timeline with enough monkeys at keyboards, everything will be yakked.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It really brings the whole shitgnome scheme together, even though the Selkis kid isn't even gnome enough to be a shitgnome himself
mircea_popescu: add a deb pagew to wiki if thi is the case.
shinohai: Some of the dependencies are different for me, but I think I got it, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: shinohai does the ubuntu thing not work on debian ?
BingoBoingo: Eh, it's too good for me to not have started putting together a qntra after runimating on it for a bit.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> The @twobitallidiot is now all concerned abou "wealth concentration" <<< in normal terms, "wealth concentration" means "power centers that are not alligned with usg".
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> for example, the mechanics are so poorly spaded that << re that "spaded", just you wait until you discover it's actually a noncomputable multivariate which doesn't even allow stable solutions in the real space.
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shinohai: ;;later tell thestringpuller please message me if you are still working on Debian Eulora plox, thx.
trinque calls back the shitgnominators
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: also you took the 256 !!
ben_vulpes: (in case you missed it, ascii_field, my hash of the buildroot tar doesn't match yours)
BingoBoingo: The @twobitallidiot is now all concerned abou "wealth concentration"
BingoBoingo: And now idiots are talking about replacing the 21 million coin cap, congrats Reddit https://medium.com/crypto-brief/should-21-million-bitcoin-be-the-cap-755b7f02ac4e
decimation: wait, I pointed out this exact situation a few weeks ago and the conclusion was 'pay relay', not 'miner pays relay'
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 12:04:00; punkman: Adlai: does the rocket fly?
mircea_popescu: i can't believe nobody has written the epic story of the greatesrt failure in modern gaming. it's not daikatana, it's diablo 3.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron sadly necro sucked in d2, ended up forced to do a cold sorc like everyone else (that wasn't a paly). but did a witchdoctor in d3, for the... month or so that survived.
mircea_popescu: because skill kills. and so spent my time in the ravensomething library reading "you and evil things, a love story"
mircea_popescu: i was doing pretty good, apparently im immune to the negative effects of qwops
mircea_popescu: o really, "Actually ed the undying" is funny ? mmkay.
mircea_popescu: word. exactly. there's so many silverman style dumbassery i can put up with.
punkman: danielpbarron: no reason to always render the whole 3d world << the 3d world serves no purpose at the moment if you ask me
punkman: (can play most games there straight in your browser)
punkman: shinohai: they do
trinque: ShawnLeary: best thing for you is to read the logs at log.bitcoin-assets.com; you'll find many topics you may (think you) have opinions on have already been treated there, and exceptionally well.
ShawnLeary: blockchain all the things :)
ShawnLeary: so MEAT is an asset then?
ShawnLeary: I like long walks on the beach and counterparty
funkenstein_: danielpbarron> you tell the full node what inputs and what outputs, node says ok here's a raw tx to sign (it includes an extra output pointing at node's own addr) and now you sign and give back <-- this could work
mircea_popescu: i got annoyed at the "oh noes, how could this thing that's been done since forever be done"
mircea_popescu: wellsothen.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it bears insistingly repeating : the internet is big. the web is a pustule on its ass.
mircea_popescu: good for you. so how did they sell datafeeds ? txn blabla ?
ascii_field used to work there
funkenstein_: loll, all the way down
kakobrekla: and another
kakobrekla: and another for that tx
mircea_popescu: or they could just rent vpn access like anyone ever since forever.
funkenstein_: or maybe best to keep the payment for those services in a separate tx
funkenstein_: so where does it go in the TX? is there an OP_ANYONE_CAN_RECEIVE or something for the relayers/mempool operators to put their addy in?
mircea_popescu: now cache is full and to get in, either pay 10 per byte or go dangle.
mircea_popescu: you set 10 bytes aside for "mempool". 1 tx comes, has 2 bytes pays 5. goes in. brings 4 brothers.
ascii_field: and then half of who remains ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field again : we have a pool of X bytes. tx are allowed in only if they pay more than average fore that x.
ascii_field: can't have a monotonic eater of these.
mircea_popescu: the only way relaying as currently deployed may survive is if it somehow ends up in a compact with mining
ascii_field: relay has to sit, eat the cost of existing
mircea_popescu: yes. yes they do.
ascii_field: but they pay miners
ascii_field: we have an elementary situation of not-enough-food-for-the-childrenz
mircea_popescu: this is the required balance to this scheme. yes, we kill all idiot children without anyu regard to the ever rising blood level on the floor or the tears of their mothers.
mircea_popescu: tx passed the test, and is now a tx. should get something for this.
ascii_field: see, this is a 'fella walks in from the street and gets something for having a pulse' situation
mircea_popescu: until someone in the 20% mines, it waits.
ascii_field: let the fella who generated it, rebroadcast until it gets in
mircea_popescu: nono, "tx paying too little per byte compared to others we know"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that is, tx without an antecedent block in the machine
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219299 << you somehow opt to neglect the point that this was actually done in practice.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 14:22:33; asciilifeform: re: yesterday's thread, i'm frankly surprised that mircea_popescu ~didn't~ buy the trunk line
mircea_popescu: ascii_field thinking about this... is this the thing that already drops shit txn ?
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 16:14:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219234 << yet sick is strictly the most common, oldest and widestly still used reason to ban someone.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219408 < if someone has herpes simplex let them be, if someone comes here saying stupid shit, that wont fly.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: btw, is there any reason we oughtn't shoot any tx that's hung around in mempool for more than a few days ?
mircea_popescu: there is one we don't know.
ascii_field: (last is the one where each new block perma-swallows 300 byte of ram)
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 14:06:24; asciilifeform: ^ if this is not a memory leak, then i fart toyotas.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219247 << shit that looks like the all-elusive last leak (tm)
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 13:45:16; decimation: danielpbarron: what does a 'practitioner of modern judaism' do exactly? like, they know they torah and tanakh but are too cool to follow them?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219237 << took the socialism part out of it, threw out the rest, are good libertards.
mircea_popescu: jurov why the fuck would it publish anything whatsoever other than what l1 people signed is beyond me.
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field what difference does it make ? technology pointedly makes no social difference, as per http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/#selection-201.223-209.0
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mircea_popescu: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/12/germany_drops_investigation_into_nsa_hacking_merkels_phone/ to go with that
jurov: ascii_field: yes that calls for enhancing the scrubber not for removing it as trinque said
trinque: well there you go, in triplicate
ascii_field: jurov: gotta only post the signed bits
jurov: ascii_field: it only checks whether it has clearsigned text somewhere
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219395 << i still don't see how this is supposed to work. if signed by l1 - gets posted. otherwise - not.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 15:45:57; mircea_popescu: there's plenty of gyroscopes much cheaper, faster and broadly speaking better than "reinterpret history"
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219379 << on reflection, mircea_popescu is right. but 20th c. tech ~does~ make a difference, we are not living in the age of diderot et al
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 15:09:07; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218827 << i find it's a pretty good heuristic, this. plaintext html ? guy's doing ok. bootstrap ? retarded kids couldn't find their way to etsy.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219322 << handwritten. like his asm. the whole site and product is a thing of beauty.